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49th parallel or phil and sebastian

frogsteak Jan 24, 2014 04:57 AM


Is there any place in town that sells 49th parallel or phil and sebastian coffee beans?


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  1. jlunar RE: frogsteak Jan 24, 2014 06:56 AM

    49th - I think Soma Chocolate carries them.

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      foodie_mtl RE: jlunar Jan 24, 2014 07:40 AM

      They do. But the last time I checked, the roast dates were at least 4 weeks old. So I passed. I prefer 49th parallel myself over P&S, and used to buy them regularly at Myriade in Montreal. I can't seem to find them in Toronto.
      I've been buying Black Cat at Manic, but still keep an eye out for 49th parallel. If anyone knows of a shop that regularly stocks them, please share!

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        frogsteak RE: foodie_mtl Jan 24, 2014 07:59 AM

        I've been eyeing the Intelligentsia wall at Manic. How much do they charge for black cat?

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          foodie_mtl RE: frogsteak Jan 24, 2014 09:09 AM

          They have different size bags, and therefore, pricing varies. I recall paying 19.50 for a lb for the black cat analog, which is reasonable. I recall paying 18 USD in Chicago for it, so the markup is fair.
          I used to get 49th Parallel Epic espresso for 16$/lb back in MTL, which I found excellent value for the quality. Unfortunately, I have yet to find anything similar in Toronto.

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            jayt90 RE: foodie_mtl Jan 24, 2014 02:40 PM

            These are high prices considering the wholesale cost of single estate green beans, around $5/lb.

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              frogsteak RE: jayt90 Jan 24, 2014 06:27 PM

              the problem is that no one in the gta knows how to roast coffee beans

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                jayt90 RE: frogsteak Jan 29, 2014 07:15 AM

                I can't imagine that you have sampled many GTA roasters if you arrived here late last year.

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                  frogsteak RE: jayt90 Jan 29, 2014 07:59 AM

                  i've tried pilot, detour, ideal coffee, pig iron, social, dark city and some others that I cannot remember. 49th parallel is by far the best roaster in Canada and I would love to find a local source. I am surprised that it is not so common here.

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                    jayt90 RE: frogsteak Jan 29, 2014 09:30 AM

                    49th will ship, $16 to $20 /lb, plus $16 expedited post, or $21 next day. Not very practical, unless several packages are combined.
                    There must be a coffee roaster as nerdy as they are in GTA.
                    I live out of town and roast from green.

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      PhilH RE: frogsteak Jan 24, 2014 12:41 PM

      Not sure what pricing is like but I know Krepesz in Kensington Market and the Grind near Yonge/Bloor station use 49th Parallel.

      I have no idea if Crema is still using 49th or not but you could call them and ask.

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        petra_reuter RE: frogsteak Jan 30, 2014 09:19 PM

        Crema usually has 49th parallel available and they currently have the espresso in stock at Olya on Parliament.

        Olya's pastries are also insanely good.

        1. elvisahmed RE: frogsteak Jan 30, 2014 09:51 PM

          Last time I checked no one was carrying 49th Parallel in TO. I even called their office in BC and they confirmed that (couple of months ago so might have changed since then) the lady on the phone recommended that I order online as that was the only way to get it locally unless some buys it in BC and brings it over for you.

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            frogsteak RE: elvisahmed Jan 30, 2014 10:07 PM

            it's sold all over montreal in coffee shops and even at the jean talon market in bulk. there's no reason to think that it wouldnt be available some place in toronto. i'll try crema tomorrow. thank you...maybe i should drop out of my phd program and open a coffee shop.

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              elvisahmed RE: frogsteak Jan 31, 2014 07:46 AM

              Huh I called the 49th Parallel office to find out who sold it locally as I had purchased it before locally they said its not carried by anyone in Toronto. But if you do find it please do share it as I would like to buy some as well.

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                foodie_mtl RE: frogsteak Jan 31, 2014 08:00 AM

                Frogsteak, I went through the same experience as you when I moved to Toronto from Montreal over the summer. Reading your posts is like a deja vu. The number of times I googled 49th parallel in Toronto, and searched this board. Like I said, I did see it at Soma and I also saw a few bags Maybe 49th is just not popular here. Or maybe we should just find an alternative (Black Cat works for me).
                Luckily I go back to MTL on a monthly basis, and hit up Myriade every time. I personally did not enjoy Pilot, or Hale. But haven't tried others you mentioned. So if you're desperate for 49th, let me know, and I'll be more than happy to buy an extra bag or two on my next trip.

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                  frogsteak RE: foodie_mtl Feb 1, 2014 04:59 AM

                  thank you :)

                  heading home next week. gonna stock up on cheval blanc and epic espresso

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                    elvisahmed RE: frogsteak Feb 1, 2014 08:39 AM

                    Cheval Blanc is now sold at the beer store FYI!

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                      frogsteak RE: elvisahmed Feb 1, 2014 12:59 PM

                      ya for $13.99 for 6

                      $8.99 for an 8 pack in montreal

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                        MissBingBing RE: frogsteak Feb 1, 2014 03:50 PM

                        Why did you move here?

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                          frogsteak RE: MissBingBing Feb 2, 2014 06:01 AM

                          because i have shit to do here?

              2. re: elvisahmed
                Cat123 RE: elvisahmed Feb 1, 2014 06:26 AM

                IQ Foods on Wellington at Bay serves 49th Parallel. Not sure if they would sell you the beans but it is possible. Agree they are fantastic.

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                  Flexitarian RE: elvisahmed Feb 1, 2014 12:28 PM

                  After about the first 3 lbs it's only about $3 lb extra to have it shipped by 49th Parallel. For example, 5 lbs costs $14.61 Canada Post Expedited (5 business days) from Vancouver. I don't know how long people would expect the beans to be good for but maybe some of you could get together and split a batch. Or, maybe, if you drink about a lb a week in your family it's good for 5 weeks?

                  I have a Behmor 1600 home drum roaster and roast my own beans as required but am tempted to buy some of the 49th Parallel to compare my roasts with theirs. Of course one cannot get the same roast with a home roaster but I wonder how close. I think jayt90 is a bit light on his estimate of single estate green beans being about $5/lb as I paid about $7/lb all in delivered to my door for 20 lbs of 100% Bourbon Natural Process Cachoeoira Da Grama Microlot green beans from Brazil that I bought last summer from the greencoffeebuyingclub.com. Also, I notice at the greenbeanery.ca that you are not getting great quality green beans for $5/lb.

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                    jayt90 RE: Flexitarian Feb 1, 2014 01:44 PM

                    Good observation, flex. I stopped buying from www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com when they put shipping up from U.S. to Canada, 15 lb, $43. SweetMaria has a similar charge.
                    gcbc has a Canadian distributor, www.anubiscoffeecompany.com with a few good beans, another in Quebec, Simica.

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                      Flexitarian RE: jayt90 Feb 1, 2014 02:42 PM

                      Actually I got my beans through Smica @ gcbc and so they were shipped from Canada. I only get them from gcbc in the US when I happen to go to my depot in Niagara Falls, NY so I can pick them up and clear them myself.

                      Thanks for the anubis info. I did not know about them.

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                        jayt90 RE: Flexitarian Feb 2, 2014 06:36 AM

                        anubis is a one person operation in Kitchener. I got some very good Santos from him. Good service, and he is getting busy.

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                          Flexitarian RE: jayt90 Feb 2, 2014 08:08 AM

                          I notice he does not give any discounts for buying more than 1 pound of green beans

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                            jayt90 RE: Flexitarian Feb 2, 2014 08:19 AM

                            Price may be negotiable. My order of 15 lb Santos was $80 postpaid. It's gone now.
                            If I see something I like, I'll ask for a postpaid price with bulk discount by email.

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                              Flexitarian RE: jayt90 Feb 2, 2014 09:35 AM

                              What do you use to roast them (I expect the mods to delete this post as it's going off topic, lol)

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                                jayt90 RE: Flexitarian Feb 2, 2014 10:55 AM

                                I am using a cafe rosto, nearing its end after 6-7years. I'll get a Behmor, but I hear it doesn't have a lot of options. Maybe look for a used device.

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                                  Flexitarian RE: jayt90 Feb 2, 2014 11:03 AM

                                  Has enough for me: 3 roasting weights, 4 programs, 5 Roasting profiles and ability to adjust time increments. I got it for $275 and that included 8lbs of green beans.

                2. Flexitarian RE: frogsteak Jan 30, 2014 11:22 PM

                  Is it the beans or roasting prodile that makes 49th so good?

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                    JerkPork RE: frogsteak Feb 2, 2014 07:10 AM

                    Frog, which store sells 49 th at Jean Talon Market in bulk? I'm there every week and never noticed, ailments bracing maybe? I usually get mine at one of the many coffee shops that carries 49th across the city but it would be more convenient for me to just pick it up at JTM. I'm really surprised its not sold in Toronto. How's 23 degree coffee? I've noticed bags here in mtl and it's roasted in Toronto.

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                      frogsteak RE: JerkPork Feb 2, 2014 10:59 AM

                      I believe it was at the organic store by the chocolate shop. It wasn't bulk per se but the large format 49th parallel bags.

                      by the way, I was walking by Krepesz in Kensington yesterday. They had a sign claiming to sell 49th parallel. They even had a few bags of epic espresso on their shelf - but when I asked, I was told they don't actually serve 49th parallel and the bags on the shelf were for decoration. what a load of bull - blatant false advertising.

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                      Cat123 RE: frogsteak Mar 15, 2014 03:13 PM

                      If anyone is still looking I just picked up some 49th parallel old school espresso at Dark Horse on Spadina (roasted within the last week or so). They have a decent selection of 49th parallel beans - not just the espresso.

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                        milhuas3 RE: frogsteak Mar 24, 2014 05:45 PM

                        Boxcar Social carries bags of both, depending on when you're in the store.

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