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debinqueens Jan 22, 2014 08:13 PM

anyone know of a bar that makes a delectable Caesar? i can whip one up at home when the mood strikes, but sometimes that mood hits when i'm out and about.....

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    JulesTei Jan 26, 2014 08:12 PM

    My favorites are Hillstone (aka Houston's), the warm Brussels sprouts version at Blue Water Grill, Big Daddy (don't hate), and the grilled version at Millesime.

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      debinqueens Jan 23, 2014 03:52 PM


      i should have been more clear.

      i meant the Caesar cocktail (the canadian, clam juice-enhanced sister to the bloody mary). the king cole DOES have one on the menu, but it's $24.

      anyone willing to give another shot?

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      1. re: debinqueens
        Phil Ogelos Jan 23, 2014 04:01 PM

        All this time you meant the cocktail, deb, and you got salad? What a hoot!
        The Capilano Club in W.Vancouver does that drink best, in my experience.
        But NYC? Never seen one here.

        EDIT: not sure a food thread dedicated to pregnancy is the best place to share "mass/growth" revelations, but maybe that's just me.

        1. re: Phil Ogelos
          debinqueens Jan 23, 2014 06:40 PM

          sorry, i guess i should have made vague references to my reason for checking into mount sinai. pain has sapped my politesse for the time being.

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        MarieLuncheonette Jan 23, 2014 10:25 AM

        for a modern interpretation try Ma Peche's deconstructed version with a soft cooked egg yolk and anchovy for the dressing, shaved radish instead of lettuce, and crispy sweetbreads instead of croutons.

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        1. re: MarieLuncheonette
          ipsedixit Jan 23, 2014 10:33 AM

          I think the pinnacle of modern reinterpretation of the classic Caesar is at Alder.

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            hazelhurst Jan 23, 2014 11:41 AM

            Well, I'm almost afraid to ask but whatinhell does he do? I do not recall seeing him offer it (my exposure is limited and I think my WD-50 excursions are at an end).

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              ipsedixit Jan 23, 2014 06:50 PM

              Think nigiri sushi ...

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                hazelhurst Jan 24, 2014 07:42 AM

                Well, sushi I can see but how on earth this is a Caesar "takeoff," in any way, eludes me. If I put a piece romaine and an anchovy(for some people) in an omelette, with some toast, I have a deconstructed Caesar. this can go way too far in my opinion. Sounds like a cheap naming trick. No disrespect intended.

                1. re: hazelhurst
                  ipsedixit Jan 24, 2014 09:57 AM

                  Try it if you have the opportunity. And do so with an open-palate and mind. Then come back and let me know what you think.

                  I say all of this not defending nor recommending Dufresne's take on CS, just saying that one should probably at least try it once before judging it.

                  1. re: ipsedixit
                    hazelhurst Jan 24, 2014 11:51 AM

                    It might be great sushi. It is not a Caesar salad though and, as I gather, doesn't pretend to be anything but a "deconstructed" one. Find so far as it goes. It might be that using that name entices more people to try it..I dunno. I' ve had excellent "Caesar salads" with anchovies in them..but that is not the Real Thing.

                    I think the whole deconstruction thing just rings hollow with me. I've had some very tasty stuff that comes out of that camp but it usually is a problem in that it is (A) a snack (B) deals with a "concept" a word that automatically causes NORAD lights to flash and (C) often involves three items I love and one item I cannot abide.

                    I'll have a look at this the next time in an in new York. As I said, I think I've shot my bolt at WD-50, though. I gave it plenty of fair trials.

                    1. re: ipsedixit
                      Riverman500 Jan 24, 2014 12:10 PM

                      Sounds great to me. I can't wait to try it.

                2. re: hazelhurst
                  kathryn Jan 23, 2014 08:25 PM


                  1. re: kathryn
                    hazelhurst Jan 25, 2014 04:55 PM

                    That is delightfully risible, thank you very much.

                    I suppose I've lived too long already. I remember when the Caesar Salad had its comeback in the 1980s..it had been probably 15 years since I had seen the classic tableside presentation in Manhattan. I came to believe it was rescued from the dustbin of history by new places that needed a signature--and by then a NEW item to the young---. Hard to recall now but in those days Power Lunches were thought important and "power food" was thought to signal that your lawyer or broker was The One. So Steak Tartare came back..and martinis...and Caesar Salad (raw egg..gotta be a man for that, y'know?)

                    And the Tableside show came back, ineptly I have to say. The presentation was always Just Show ("NO! it is about freshness!" Baloney..but it was fun.) And then they tired of it. And someone complained about Raw Egg..and SO MANY of the salads were poorly made, usually because someone tried to do Something More.

                    As with a martini, perfection is destroyed by Man's Meddling.

              2. re: MarieLuncheonette
                gfr1111 Jan 23, 2014 10:38 AM

                Ma Peche should call the dish something else. It may have some similarities to a Caesar salad, but not much. I'm not saying it is not delicious, but how many items can you substitute in a recipe and still be able to call it by the same name?

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                  MarieLuncheonette Jan 23, 2014 10:46 AM

                  ma peche doesn't call it Caesars salad though the dish was inspired by those flavors

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                Simon Jan 23, 2014 10:16 AM

                i've yet to have one in NYC that measures up to the kind of traditional full-flavored Caesars i enjoyed at Dan Tana's when i lived in LA...

                i like the Breslin's version but it's a bit mild and delicate...

                Haven't been to Carbone...i plan to Il Mulino's soon and i will report back...

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                1. re: Simon
                  loratliff Jan 23, 2014 03:52 PM

                  Ha, I think that's the only dish of April Bloomfield's that anyone would call mild and delicate. (I also respectfully disagree.)

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                    Simon Jan 23, 2014 08:39 PM

                    True: when i had it a couple years ago it was thick and fatty and more like the food she's known for...but when i ate it a few days ago, it was quite light and subtle even...

                    But neither time would i consider it close to a full-flavored Caesar -- i've yet to find one of those anywhere in NYC

                    1. re: loratliff
                      linguafood Jan 24, 2014 12:22 PM

                      Yeah, I liked it but it was pretty garlicky. Not subtle at all.

                    2. re: Simon
                      Simon Jan 26, 2014 08:27 PM

                      i had Il Mulino's tonight: quite good for NYC...but still 2 notches below even an off-night Dan Tana's Caesar in LA...

                    3. loratliff Jan 23, 2014 08:01 AM

                      The Breslin. You can get it in the lobby too, not just the restaurant. Anchovies, croutons, huge romaine hearts, mmm...

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                      1. re: loratliff
                        kathryn Jan 23, 2014 08:15 AM

                        +1 the Breslin

                      2. jon Jan 23, 2014 07:30 AM

                        not at a bar, but the caesar at carbone is really good.

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                          Bob Martinez Jan 23, 2014 01:54 PM

                          And only $19.

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                            jon Jan 23, 2014 02:00 PM

                            what's your point? the one at the breslin is $14 and only serves one person. the one we had at carbone easily served 3 people and is made tableside.

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                              Bob Martinez Jan 23, 2014 06:45 PM

                              My point is that it's expensive.

                              As for serving 3, that's great if you have 3 people who all want Caesar salad. If you don't you're SOL because you can't take it home. A dressed salad will get limp and unappetizing pretty quickly.

                              The tableside prep is pure schtick.

                              1. re: Bob Martinez
                                INDIANRIVERFL Jan 24, 2014 10:09 AM

                                But I am willing to pay for the schtick in this case.

                                I would rather pay it here than for some foam and edible but nonsatisfying artistry.

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                                  Bob Martinez Jan 24, 2014 11:41 AM

                                  The veal parm at Carbone (which I'm told is very good) will set you back $54. Once you sign up for that I guess a $19 Caesar salad is small change.

                                  I've got friends who went back in September. $183 per person with tax and tip. They liked the place.

                                  1. re: Bob Martinez
                                    jon Jan 24, 2014 01:17 PM

                                    but my point is is that $19 for the caesar at carbone is actually in line with caesar salad's at other nice restaurants. heck, at sam's place, a hole in the wall italian restaurant i eat at sometimes on 37th street, the caesar for two is $14. it's $14 for one at the breslin, $13 at a steakhouse like wolfgang's. so how is $19 for a salad that feeds three people out of line with that, especially if you get a tableside show with it?

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                          peter j Jan 23, 2014 07:25 AM

                          I really like the warm brussels sprout caesar salad at Altantic Grill.

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                            Dave Feldman Jan 22, 2014 09:47 PM

                            If you like a Caesar heavy on the garlic, and I do: Pearl Oyster Bar.

                            1. ipsedixit Jan 22, 2014 08:52 PM

                              King Cole Bar (at the St. Regis).

                              Made with kale. And no extra charge for it.

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                              1. re: ipsedixit
                                hazelhurst Jan 23, 2014 08:09 AM

                                Kale? In a Caesar?

                                I can't get away from the stuff.....

                                And, elsewhere (below) Brussels sprouts? Anchovy?

                                Women in the bar car! Jeans in the Waldorf! It's coming, I warn you....

                                1. re: ipsedixit
                                  Phil Ogelos Jan 23, 2014 11:48 AM

                                  Panem et circenses:

                                  (hold the panem.)

                                  1. re: Phil Ogelos
                                    hazelhurst Jan 23, 2014 12:09 PM

                                    What great fun! Thanks. Although how depressing that something exists to be so lampooned. It is a long cry from my heyday of Nice People with suits they wore when at Groton and driving an OLD Mercedes...maybe. And who set a pretty damn good table when they wanted to.

                                    The new gang is oblivious to "Mors aurem vellens, 'vivite,' ait, "venio.'" (Sorry, you started it Juvenal....)

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