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pikawicca Jan 22, 2014 05:48 PM

Can't believe I just got a note from a mod decrying my criticism of a post on the Minneapolis board looking for this. Is this what CH has become?

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  1. The Chowhound Team Jan 25, 2014 01:46 PM

    It looks like everyone's had their say on this topic, and we've had to remove a few posts getting overly personal, so we think it's best to close the discussion.

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      sedimental Jan 25, 2014 01:13 PM

      I posted once in the beginning, kind of with the same question. I have a difficult time taking the post seriously.

      Isn't it like asking which bowling alley has good chow....or roller rink? I mean, these are not primarily food venues. They are not supposed to be. They are not catering to chowhounds. The post seems disingenuous to me...more like trolling.

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        HillJ Jan 25, 2014 01:17 PM

        I've had some outstanding, well prepared comfort food at a bowling alley. So good in fact, I went out of my way to find bowling pals for a fun evening. While perhaps not the norm, I haven't been in enough bowling alleys, theaters, rinks, bars or hole in the wall dives to expect more or less from their menus. But a surprise find IS chowish.

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          sedimental Jan 25, 2014 01:20 PM

          Well, I have. I have never found great food. I have found food you would expect (which can be pretty tasty) but I am just finding it hard to believe that (normally) one topless bar would be some sort of "stand out" for food than another.

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            coll Jan 25, 2014 01:23 PM

            Every kitchen is run by a different cook/chef. How do you know what you might just run across by accident, even if they are only there transitionally. This does happen all the time.

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              HillJ Jan 25, 2014 01:23 PM

              I can only vouch for the bowling alley. http://thegoodnightaustin.com/

              If you're ever there, go.

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            greygarious Jan 25, 2014 01:22 PM

            The OP of the MSP board post that engendered this thread admits upthread that he was mostly joking. This thread has illustrated that many Chowhound participants, not to mention the PTB and Mods, think that any establishment with a connection to comestibles - no matter how tenuous - is fodder for CH review.

            Maybe we should start a thread about the choices in workplace vending machines.....

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              sedimental Jan 25, 2014 01:24 PM

              Thank you. I missed that post. Everyone seemed to be taking this so seriously.

              That makes much more sense....onward and upward to a vending machine thread..... :)

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                HillJ Jan 25, 2014 01:28 PM

                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8262...

                been done...not much interest.

                There was more interest in THIS thread than any thread ever started on food recommendations at strip clubs.

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                pinehurst Jan 25, 2014 01:29 PM

                Or which auto mechanic waiting room has the best coffee. I'd be interested in that.

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                  greygarious Jan 25, 2014 01:40 PM

                  Are you a fellow Billerica resident? I am a longtime customer of Hogan Tire in Woburn (there's one in Tewksbury but I used to work very near the former one), where they also do basic maintenance and general repairs. There are complementary beverages from a Keurig-type machine in the roomy waiting room.

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            2. c oliver Jan 25, 2014 12:38 PM

              A (male) CH friend emailed me the following:

              " If you think that food served with bare boobs in your face is Chowish, I can never be on the same page."

              Amen, brother. Amen :)

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                jrvedivici Jan 25, 2014 01:15 PM

                C, said boobs!!!!

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                  c oliver Jan 25, 2014 01:19 PM

                  I know what more words than that, jr :) And I was quoting!

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              2. Jacquilynne Jan 24, 2014 08:03 AM

                If people have anything constructive to say about whether or not strip club eats should be on the table for Chowhound, please go ahead and add those ideas. But a lot of this thread is degenerating into stupid jokes in the fish tacos vein, and that's not really a great idea in a thread where people are expressing their genuine discomfort and dismay over this issue. Thanks.

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                  grampart Jan 24, 2014 08:15 AM

                  I totally agree about the "stupid jokes in the fish taco vein" since they are sophomoric and not even slightly funny. However, to those that find the original topic discomforting and/or dismaying I say, get over it or avoid these feelings by not reading it any more.

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                    c oliver Jan 24, 2014 08:29 AM

                    Thanks, Jacq. I really just had and have one question (although I also ran WAY OT). If strip clubs, etc., which are legal (I'm guessing not everywhere) are an acceptable topic, are legal brothels also? As 10 of the 17 counties in Nevada, including the one where we have a home, have legalized prostitution it seems a valid question. Not that Bob and/or I intend to check out their food :) But visitors may.

                    I remain firm in my belief that it's inappropriate but it's not my site. Dammit :) Thanks as always.

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                      Jacquilynne Jan 24, 2014 08:56 AM

                      If someone ever posts about the food at legal brothels in a non-stunt posting sort of way, we'd review the post and determine if it were okay. But provided the focus is on the food and not the brothel, it's not something I'd remove by default.

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                        c oliver Jan 24, 2014 09:16 AM

                        Thanks.

                        Even though singlemalt said he posted as a joke he did get some legit answers.

                        And I believe that this was a topic that was legitimate to discuss. Here on Site Talk which is, in fact a place to talk about the site, rather than food.

                        I appreciate CHs patience with this topic that brought out a lot of personal angst from many people

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                  2. viperlush Jan 23, 2014 07:55 PM

                    I just want to know if the (legal) brothels serve food. Was that answered?

                    Edited: based on the links provided it appears that they do. Sports bars, steak houses, etc. I wonder what % tip is traditional for the waitresses/ waiters.

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                      c oliver Jan 23, 2014 08:04 PM

                      I haven't done the research yet for Nevada but will post when I do. Thanks for asking :)

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                        Servorg Jan 23, 2014 08:08 PM

                        I notice that this FAQ for the Mustang Ranch http://www.mustangranchbrothel.com/FA... in Sparks, Nevada talks about "Why aren't there prices on the menu?" and the have a "Pleasure Menu" section and one for "Truckers Page" (and everyone knows how truckers love to eat). So, unless those all mean something different than this little old chowhound assumes they must mean, then yes - they must serve food!

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                          c oliver Jan 23, 2014 08:15 PM

                          HAHAHA!!!!!

                          I didn't know that the Mustang Ranch had re-opened. And Sparks is basically Reno. Interesting.

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                            kevin Jan 23, 2014 11:06 PM

                            Well, they might just eat a different thing if you catch my drift.

                            And truckers will just eat more of it .......

                            Hence ............

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                            MissBubbles Jan 23, 2014 08:12 PM

                            Since many of them our more ranch style and out in the country yes they do. And let s call them by the correct name, Brothel. Whore house is so derogatory, it shows so little respect for these women and what they do. http://www.sherisranch.com/ http://www.businessinsider.com/inside...

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                              viperlush Jan 23, 2014 08:27 PM

                              Thank you. You're right, brothel is more appropriate. And if anyone is looking for a place to watch the Superbowl they are having a Party at their sports bar.

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                                c oliver Jan 24, 2014 08:20 AM

                                I struggled and couldn't remember the word "brothel." I should have remembered that Google is my friend. Thanks.

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                              hyperbowler Jan 23, 2014 05:15 PM

                              Really? Who cares if others want to eat Spanish appetizers? Oh, "topless." Nevermind...

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                                singlemalt Jan 24, 2014 05:37 PM

                                Your comments remind me that about a year ago I asked a fellow I was working with if he knew of a good "tapas" bar. After about 15 minutes of discourse, I realized he thought I said topless.

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                                singlemalt Jan 23, 2014 04:00 PM

                                137 responses to a joke of a question(excluding my 2)? Folks you need to get life. Get out of the house, go to a strip club or something.

                                BTW, why the shit can't I back up on this place?

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                                  coll Jan 23, 2014 04:03 PM

                                  Don't know where you are, but we're snowed in here. Much better than shoveling and freezing in the Arctic Vortex.

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                                    SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 04:04 PM

                                    Please refer yourself to my "Are Most Chowhounds Recluses/Loners?" thread. :) this is my life, dammit!!!! ;)

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                                      kevin Jan 23, 2014 11:04 PM

                                      Wait a second.

                                      Sara, are you a loner or a recluse ????????

                                      You never seemed to respond to that question yourself.

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                                      jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 04:26 PM

                                      Good idea! I will go to a strip club! Do you know one that has a good braised short rib?

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                                      Bkeats Jan 23, 2014 01:28 PM

                                      Weighing in late but when I read this, I was immediately reminded of an old review in the NY Times. NYT ain't what I would call remotely conservative, nor is Bruni who was the food critic at the time. Here's the link to the review

                                      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/28/din...

                                      Not only did Bruni go to a strip club restaurant, he found the food to be quite good. Worth a star which puts it in plenty of fine company with places where the servers are not quite so solicitous.

                                      For all you naysayers, you never know where you will find good food.

                                      ETA: So if the NYT can send a reviewer to a strip club, why can't someone ask which topless bar has the best food on CH?

                                      If CH is going to be governed by the morality police, I'm leaving before I get kicked out.

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                                        HillJ Jan 23, 2014 01:31 PM

                                        I can always enjoy a full circle moment. Thanks for allowing me an exit.

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                                          c oliver Jan 23, 2014 01:36 PM

                                          I assume you mean "exit." I loved that also. Especially since Bruni is gay. It must have been a fun and funny time. And good food also. I may stand corrected on the appropriateness of the discussion :) Which was my fucking point to begin with :)

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                                            HillJ Jan 23, 2014 01:38 PM

                                            Thanks for the catch, I was still in the time stamp zone to edit!

                                            My only point, and I actually find I often feel this way on CH, is that we all have a fucking point/opinion. So, if you're gonna open the door expect a stampede. Fair is fair.

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                                              c oliver Jan 23, 2014 01:41 PM

                                              Oh, I'm totally fine with that as you should know. I just expect that usual "unpleasantness" note to pop up soon. This could go on and on as far as I'm concerned.

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                                                HillJ Jan 23, 2014 01:42 PM

                                                I know you are (fine).

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                                          greygarious Jan 23, 2014 01:41 PM

                                          Since Bruni is gay, it's a safe assumption that his main interest in the breastaurant was indeed the food. The OP on the MSP board? Not so much.

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                                            donovt Jan 23, 2014 01:44 PM

                                            So, are posts asking about food at a baseball stadium OK? The game is probably the main interest.

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                                              c oliver Jan 23, 2014 01:52 PM

                                              It's not about whether food is served in non food-centric places but MY question was whether a place that objectifies women is a proper topic for CH. And site talk is about talk about the site not food.

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                                                donovt Jan 23, 2014 01:54 PM

                                                May have been your point, but quite a few other posts have said that you don't go to topless bars for food. Well, if nobody ate there then they wouldn't serve food.

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                                                  Veggo Jan 23, 2014 02:07 PM

                                                  The question of whether site talk about food at venues that objectify women, or where baseballs are pitched, or where footballs are caught is appropriate, has been answered by the management here.
                                                  Any one who strongly disagrees has 3 options:
                                                  1) Get over it
                                                  2) Die mad
                                                  3) Drop out

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                                                  Servorg Jan 23, 2014 02:13 PM

                                                  We used to get hounds occasionally chiming in when someone would post about a particularly high end meal with wine pairings to match, basically asking how anyone could spend so much money on one meal when there were starving children in the world.

                                                  I would say that these types of posts are ones that "objectify" money. But if you reported those posts the mods typically took them down, because how, or how much, someone spends on a meal or their own personal moral stance on the question isn't relevant to what this site it about.

                                                  I would say that is the same type of issue here. You say that strip clubs "objectify" women. But no woman (or man for that instance since we have things like Chip 'n Dales dancers etc. as well) who dances for a living, clothes on or off, is an indentured servant in this day and age.

                                                  All we can do is for each of us to follow our own dictates and precepts when it comes to these types of questions, co. You won't patronize any establishment that allows this type of activity to take place. Which is right and good.

                                                  But others may (and obviously do) go to clubs that allow this activity. And since that is their right, and we don't seem to have any site rules against discussing the food at such places, that is also fine.

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                                                    c oliver Jan 23, 2014 02:18 PM

                                                    And that is why my question was would the site reconsider their stance. That was my question.

                                                    ETA: That didn't seem to be pika's POV but she hasn't returned :)

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                                                      kevin Jan 23, 2014 02:30 PM

                                                      I did hear once from someone that in the Portland area one of the best steaks in town was served at strip club.

                                                      Go figure.

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                                                        greygarious Jan 23, 2014 02:54 PM

                                                        NY strip, no doubt! ;-) Actually, during college intersession in the late 60's, I met several female friends for lunch in midtown Manhattan, at the Playboy Club, where one girl's father had a key. It was known for really low prices on high-quality steak. This was a popular lunch spot for businessmen though the bunny get-up was so rigid and corset-like that it didn't seem titillating - to me, anyway. No jiggling possible, and the bunny-dip move limited the ability of the "gentlemen" to get much of an eyeful. My main memory was that our bunny commented that it was a nice change of pace to wait on women because although the men tipped well, she didn't enjoy the gawking and double-entendres, which made the job depressing.

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                                                          kevin Jan 23, 2014 03:11 PM

                                                          Yeah, I hear ya.

                                                          So the name of the Portland strip joint is NY Strip ?????

                                                          Thanks.

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                                                            ChrisOfStumptown Jan 23, 2014 09:06 PM

                                                            The club is called The Acropolis. I have been told the food is decent and ridiculously cheap. Someone once told me that the club was owned by a rancher which was why the prices were low. I don't think I've ever seen it rated in the same league as the good steakhouses.

                                                            Funnily enough the place has a drive up window, and yes, people do get food to go from the window.

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                                                              kevin Jan 23, 2014 10:59 PM

                                                              That's got to be it.

                                                              My source told me it had some Grecian theme, complete with those kitschy Corinthian columns.

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                                                            Gio Jan 24, 2014 07:55 AM

                                                            One Christmas My Mother gave my brother and husband Boston Playboy Club keys. We went several times and had a great time. The experience graygarious describes is just as I remember it.

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                                                              jrvedivici Jan 24, 2014 08:03 AM

                                                              If you don't mind me asking roughly when was this? Are there still Playboy Clubs around? I thought they were all a thing of the past.

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                                                                coll Jan 24, 2014 08:36 AM

                                                                Don't know if they're still around, but I went to the Playboy Club in Jamaica (West Indies, not NY) in 1972 myself, taken on a date by a native. I didn't feel weird at all, they had a great reggae band and we had lots of fun.

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                                                                  Gio Jan 24, 2014 08:49 AM

                                                                  They are a thing of the past, Jr. The keys were probably given some time in the late '70s, and IIRC it closed about 2 years later.

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                                                            MissBubbles Jan 23, 2014 02:36 PM

                                                            I think that CH site's stance is that if it's legal they are fine with it. They won't take a moral stance. I for one don't have any moral problems with strip clubs, I have friends who strip and do other alternative work. All of them are smart together girls and guys many in collage or doing this to get somewhere else. I don't find strip clubs to be any more degrading that housecleaners cleaning peoples toilets or construction workers swinging a hammer for money. We all use the skills and assets we have to get ahead.

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                                                              kevin Jan 23, 2014 02:40 PM

                                                              That's a solid point.

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                                                                c oliver Jan 23, 2014 02:46 PM

                                                                Yes. As I said, I only asked if they would reconsider their stance. Sigh.

                                                                Yes, there are people who choose those jobs and who aren't being victimized. And I'm sure you have friends who strip who do work or have worked with those who have a different story to tell. But I asked and I guess their half answer was all I'm going to get. So I'll try to post about those legal houses of prostitution in certain Nevada counties and how their food is :)

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                                                                  MissBubbles Jan 23, 2014 02:49 PM

                                                                  but if they do change their stance then they are making a moral judgement about strip clubs and people who go to them. I object to that judgement just as strongly as you prob object to strip clubs. By sticking to what's legal then they keep the middle ground. Your morals don't trump my morals.

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                                                                  Tom34 Jan 23, 2014 10:17 PM

                                                                  I am not going to stick my finger into a moral mousetrap by passing judgement on those doing the stripping or those doing the viewing. The industry itself is another matter.

                                                                  It is an indisputable fact that CDS use is common in the industry and many employees become addicted (not by accident) and are leveraged into other less innocent endeavors and often show up on the VICE radar.

                                                                  Not a business I would encourage my daughters to venture into.

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                                                                    kevin Jan 23, 2014 11:01 PM

                                                                    CDS ????????????

                                                                    Please explain.

                                                                    Thanks.

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                                                                      Tom34 Jan 23, 2014 11:06 PM

                                                                      Controlled dangerous substance......"Drugs"

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                                                                Veggo Jan 23, 2014 02:33 PM

                                                                The great and powerful Oz has spoken. I believe his stance has been articulated. The disgruntled may choose from one of my 3 options above. It's good to have choices!

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                                                                  Jerseygirl111 Jan 23, 2014 06:21 PM

                                                                  "But no woman (or man for that instance since we have things like Chip 'n Dales dancers etc. as well) who dances for a living, clothes on or off, is an indentured servant in this day and age."

                                                                  Well this is not exactly true. Sadly there are still places-Yes in America too, where immigrants are brought in and forced to work as sex workers or exotic dancers, massage "therapists" or even housekeepers/nannies to pay off their coyotes. Just FYI, it really doesn't apply to CH.

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                                                                    orythedog Jan 23, 2014 08:11 PM

                                                                    Hooters.

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                                                                      ChrisOfStumptown Jan 23, 2014 09:31 PM

                                                                      It would be apropos to mention immigrants being forced to work in restaurant kitchens. But I don't hear anyone raising a ruckus on their behalf.

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                                                                        Tom34 Jan 23, 2014 10:24 PM

                                                                        I have on other threads. Removing the seats out of an Econoline van and packing 30 people in a metal shell moving 50 plus miles an hour on a Hwy is unconscionable.

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                                                                          kevin Jan 23, 2014 11:02 PM

                                                                          I was on one of those vans.

                                                                          Never again.

                                                                          And beyond feared for dear life.

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                                                                        Tom34 Jan 23, 2014 09:38 PM

                                                                        Happens more frequently than most can imagine. Accupressure massage therapy was a common front.

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                                                                          Jerseygirl111 Jan 24, 2014 12:37 PM

                                                                          Yes, accupressure is the code word

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                                                                  jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 01:53 PM

                                                                  "breastaurant" hahahahahahaha.............

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                                                                pedalfaster Jan 23, 2014 01:23 PM

                                                                I don't like bare armpits and food.
                                                                Not a moral judgement at all, just a personal "ewww".

                                                                Oddly enough I married a nudist...but that's for a different board.

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                                                                  carolinadawg Jan 23, 2014 03:01 PM

                                                                  I hope he or she isn't the cook in the family, lol.

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                                                                2. dcdavis Jan 23, 2014 12:56 PM

                                                                  This first time iI went to a strip club (for my brother's bachelor party) I sat at a table with a menu on it. The first item on the menu was an egg salad sandwich. Totally ruined the experience for me!

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                                                                    Jerseygirl111 Jan 23, 2014 01:28 PM

                                                                    Legs and eggs!

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                                                                      magic Jan 23, 2014 05:18 PM

                                                                      Outstanding! Hahaha!!

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                                                                        orythedog Jan 23, 2014 08:10 PM

                                                                        How about BOX and EGGS! LOL.

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                                                                          magic Jan 24, 2014 03:45 AM

                                                                          On seeing an egg salad sandwich at a peeler bar (do Americans ever call them that?) I'd just be reminded of my mom and grandmother and the evening would be shot.

                                                                          Too funny.

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                                                                            kevin Jan 24, 2014 07:33 AM

                                                                            What's a Peeler Bar ????

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                                                                              jrvedivici Jan 24, 2014 07:41 AM

                                                                              I would imagine to strip or to peel away your clothing would be considered the same thing. So I'm assuming that is an over sea's term for a strip club.

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                                                                                magic Jan 24, 2014 07:58 AM

                                                                                Not overseas, just here in Canada.

                                                                                But yes, that's indeed the origin of 'peeler' :)

                                                                                'Strip club' is the term most used here though. 'Peeler bar' is a secondary term just for added colour when the mood should strike.

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                                                                      Isolda Jan 23, 2014 12:42 PM

                                                                      I must be really sheltered, because I clicked on this expecting to find people's recipes for bar cookies sans glaze, this being a cooking/food website and all....

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                                                                        HillJ Jan 23, 2014 12:46 PM

                                                                        LOL, best comment of the entire thread. Thanks for the chuckle, lsolda.

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                                                                          kevin Jan 23, 2014 12:52 PM

                                                                          :)

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                                                                      2. HillJ Jan 23, 2014 12:39 PM

                                                                        pika, fwiw, this thread is receiving 10 x's the attention the thread over in Minn. is getting.

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                                                                        1. Veggo Jan 23, 2014 12:33 PM

                                                                          1) Hooters is not a topless bar
                                                                          2) whorehouses are not topless bars
                                                                          3) The food in topless bars generally sucks.
                                                                          4) This is a food site, and it was a food question. It is not another opportunity for CH's to grandstand opinions that are completely irrelevant to food.
                                                                          5) The question was food. If you can't be a part of the solution, you are part of the problem. The world does NOT revolve around your values, and this is not the forum for you to change the world.
                                                                          6) I don't go to topless bars anymore.

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                                                                            jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 12:44 PM

                                                                            Did you stop going to topless bar's because of a bad meal?

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                                                                              Tripeler Jan 25, 2014 12:24 AM

                                                                              No, he stopped going to them because he became too old to breastfeed.

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                                                                              pinehurst Jan 23, 2014 12:46 PM

                                                                              Here's the thing, V. I assume the OP knew (as we all do) your point #3. So therefore, really, the question wasn't about food. It's kinda like asking "in which convenience store can I buy the best winter coat?" Well, you might find a camo jacket on Rte 1 in Portland, buuut....So I assume that the OP was stirring the pot sheepishly. In fact, he said as much. So why post on Chowhound? Why not look on yelp, or a non-foodie site? Anyway, barn door's open, horses are out.

                                                                              The whole thing just made me sad, as a woman. Topless bars are for people who just lack energy and imagination. Remember the days when a man (or a woman) could be incredibly sexy without waving naked guy or lady parts about? Half the fun was undressing them with your mind. Now.... well, it's just sad.

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                                                                                HillJ Jan 23, 2014 12:48 PM

                                                                                You mean back when pin up girls were hanging on the wall where my Great Uncle got his car fixed?

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                                                                                  pinehurst Jan 23, 2014 12:59 PM

                                                                                  Sure. Or the difference between the Thomas Crowne Affair and any oeuvre by, say, Ron Jeremy.

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                                                                                    HillJ Jan 23, 2014 01:02 PM

                                                                                    Vivid imagine and I understand your point but it is far afield of the post in question. The question WAS about food.

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                                                                                      pinehurst Jan 23, 2014 01:04 PM

                                                                                      The question was only about food incidentally. We will amicably have to disagree. Any CH worth his/her salt knows that you don't go to a strip club for decent eats (in any sense of the word decent).

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                                                                                        HillJ Jan 23, 2014 01:07 PM

                                                                                        Oh that's more than fine with me pineh. I'm going by what I read on the OP in question not how I feel about women's rights, strip clubs and adult content. And, I wouldn't know what they serve customers in a strip club but I'm not going to judge others who do. It's none of my business.

                                                                                        Ha..imagine J pulling into a strip club for a sandwich.........yeah right.

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                                                                                          GH1618 Jan 23, 2014 01:36 PM

                                                                                          Actually, the original poster sought a topless bar, not a strip club. There are places which have a bar, good food, and topless entertainment. These are generally known as "gentlemen's clubs." A strip club is somethong else.

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                                                                                            LindaWhit Jan 24, 2014 10:43 AM

                                                                                            "A strip club is somethong else."
                                                                                            ~~~~~~~

                                                                                            Freudian slip? ;-)

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                                                                                              GH1618 Jan 24, 2014 10:46 AM

                                                                                              An ordinary typo. I have a "soft" keyboard and make that error a lot. Sometimes I don't catch it.

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                                                                                    c oliver Jan 23, 2014 12:53 PM

                                                                                    Thanks for saying it very, very well. Sad is the best description. And, for CH purposes, I still say inappropriate.

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                                                                                      HillJ Jan 23, 2014 12:59 PM

                                                                                      But the question on the Minn board was not where do I find a strip club. The question is how's the food? So stir the pot or not, the question was framed around the menu and a request for recommendations. How the community answers the question is on the individual.

                                                                                      I respect questioning the allowance of adult content but the question wasn't off topic for CH. Anyone sharing they were offended (which I also respect) took the question to a different 'place' and that stirs the pot.

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                                                                                        c oliver Jan 23, 2014 01:01 PM

                                                                                        My point was that I don't think the topic is appropriate for CH. I still don't. I didn't 'go after' the OP. Just questioned.

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                                                                                          HillJ Jan 23, 2014 01:04 PM

                                                                                          I understand completely that, that is what you said. And I'm clear that you think the topic is inappropriate for CH. pika brought the thread to our attention. I never would have seen it otherwise. I think there are 4 comments on that OP.

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                                                                                            c oliver Jan 23, 2014 01:08 PM

                                                                                            All I really asked was for CH to reconsider their position on posts of this type. After that, the discussion went WAY offtopic. And will be locked quite soon.

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                                                                                              HillJ Jan 23, 2014 01:11 PM

                                                                                              I know :)

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                                                                                      Jerseygirl111 Jan 23, 2014 01:21 PM

                                                                                      "Topless bars are for people who just lack energy and imagination."

                                                                                      Really? Because I thought they were places where some men (and women) can satisfy their natural urge to ogle the female form and ambitious women can capitalize on it.

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                                                                                        pinehurst Jan 23, 2014 01:27 PM

                                                                                        Then we'll have to disagree. Topless bars are definitely not about food, though.

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                                                                                          coll Jan 23, 2014 01:43 PM

                                                                                          But they do HAVE food, right? So what's the problem? Obviously some have better food than others.

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                                                                                            pinehurst Jan 23, 2014 02:47 PM

                                                                                            I've never been to a topless joint, so I guess they must have food based on the reliable testimony of those here who have.
                                                                                            But just b/c a place has food doesn't make it 'houndworthy. I'm not sure that (in another post, not yours, coll), the comparison to ballparks and topless joints is legit. Baseball and crackerjacks and hotdogs and beer tend to go together. In fact, I know a ton of folks in my area that truly love the Fenway park dogs (and the sausage vendors outside) as much as the game itself. I am not sure that anyone would love a topless club's reuben in that way. In the case of the MSP board, food was an incidental. I think of us 'hounds as being first and foremost about the food, the prep and quality and presentation thereof. Kind of like asking which mechanic has the best waiting-area coffee and donuts.

                                                                                            We're never all going to agree about whether or not these clubs are honing sex objects or future captains of industry. It just seemed to me that CH was not the ideal place to start a discussion about the quality of the chow in a venue dedicated to...not chow.

                                                                                            But it's okay--at the end of the day, it's all about the food in this little cyber universe.

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                                                                                              coll Jan 23, 2014 03:29 PM

                                                                                              I've never gone to one to hang out, I just used to sell food to several of them. It was the same as any other fast food place would buy; burgers, fries, cold cuts etc. They didn't have cooties or anything.

                                                                                              I'm thinking, if Chow was first and foremost about the food (as Chowhound was designed in the first place) then why do so many posts now ask about the most trendy place to go rather than just the food. Isn't that sort of the same? I do miss the days of Jeff when people ONLY cared about the food, no matter how humble. These places usually use old time type chefs that know what they're doing, I just can't see the outrage on the food side. The dancing, well that's your prerogative.

                                                                                              I for one am enjoying this little jaunt to the dark side, just for a change of pace.

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                                                                                                jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 03:38 PM

                                                                                                Come to the dark side coll......come coll. Coll....I am your father.

                                                                                                You will be receiving a welcome to the dark side package from Veggo, our leader, express mail. It will contain your Vader mask which must be worn during the entirety of your logging into Chow. Your membership ID card and your dark side decoder ring and rule book. Remember on the dark side you are suppose to break each rule in the rule book. Congratulations on joining us!!!!!

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                                                                                                  coll Jan 23, 2014 03:41 PM

                                                                                                  I am here, master.....let's get going. (Sorry too many old scifi movies lately!)

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                                                                                                    SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 03:43 PM

                                                                                                    Ummmm.......excuse me! I never received my welcome package! Wtf is this?!?

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                                                                                                      jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 03:55 PM

                                                                                                      Veggo!?!?! We have a complaint about a missing welcome package! Sara please know we take our dark side members complaints very seriously and we will look into this.

                                                                                                      Oh wait I know, you were slated to receive the Princess Leia Cinnabun head piece instead of Vader Mask, I have your package, I'll mark it for special delivery. My apologies!

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                                                                                                        SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 04:38 PM

                                                                                                        Thank you, sir! Veggo hasn't been paying me any attention for a few days now. Me thinks he's cheating on me with those heathen strippers! Ughhhh

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                                                                                                    Gastronomos Jan 23, 2014 03:41 PM

                                                                                                    " I do miss the days of Jeff (sic) when people ONLY cared about the food, no matter how humble."

                                                                                                    so do I....

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                                                                                                      Servorg Jan 23, 2014 03:50 PM

                                                                                                      At this point I just have to wonder, if the number of times that Jim has been called Jeff on these boards (I'm sure it's that whole "J" in Jim - closely followed by the "eff" in Leff) were totaled up, if the over/under would break at 1000? ;-D>

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                                                                                                        coll Jan 23, 2014 03:51 PM

                                                                                                        True, I always get it wrong. Good thing everyone knows what I mean!

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                                                                                                          Gastronomos Jan 23, 2014 05:41 PM

                                                                                                          sic

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                                                                                                          kevin Jan 23, 2014 10:56 PM

                                                                                                          Where's Jeffy these days ????????

                                                                                                          I. Sure hope he's ok.

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                                                                                                    jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 01:50 PM

                                                                                                    Pine, I respectfully have to disagree and my recent post on the Florida board would seem to support that. I believe this varies greatly based on location/region. (I'm not sure where you are located, I'm in NJ). Here in NJ go-go bars (we don't do topless with alcohol) most bars are dimly lit and what would be considered "seedy", not somewhere you are going to look for a decent meal, agreed 100%.

                                                                                                    However when I was on vacation in Florida in the late 80's early 90's I was shocked to find Gentleman's Clubs that were large elaborate facilities. Upon visiting one I couldn't believe the size and scale of them, they included a main bar/sports bar, a table clothed restaurant and a "VIP" lounge. The restaurants were very legitimate and filled with business men.

                                                                                                    So I do think this can be a legitimate question depending on the region and what the make up of the clubs in that area are.

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                                                                                                      c oliver Jan 23, 2014 02:00 PM

                                                                                                      We live part time in Reno and there are "gentlemen's clubs" here. They aren't considered for their fine dining but rather to see half-naked women. Here's one site: (not for minors)

                                                                                                      http://renomensclub.com/

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                                                                                                        donovt Jan 23, 2014 02:05 PM

                                                                                                        Pretty extensive menu. They also use free range chicken, which is nice.

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                                                                                                          c oliver Jan 23, 2014 02:07 PM

                                                                                                          'Course all us CHs know that "free range" can mean something...or nothing :)

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                                                                                                          jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 02:15 PM

                                                                                                          C, I would tend to disagree with your statement "They aren't considered for their fine dining" business is business and if they are competing against other clubs with similar menu's and dining options, I will bet you they are considered for their dining.

                                                                                                          There are no such places in Jersey so I cannot comment first hand, but I can assure you business is being done at these clubs and deals are being made, the quality of the steak could be just as important as the perkiness of the free range chicken breasts!!

                                                                                                          I completely respect your personal opinion regarding these establishments, but I do think in some cases this is a very legitimate question for this site.

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                                                                                                            MamasCooking Jan 25, 2014 12:19 AM

                                                                                                            I thought you said you were from San Francisco. If so then surely you are familiar with the history of the topless clubs in North Beach in the 1960's. Hell Petaluma even had a topless club on Petaluma Blvd. North in the early 60's.(I remember because my late mother would get so mad at my late dad because he always very willingly agreed to take his out of state relatives there when they visited).

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                                                                                                              c oliver Jan 25, 2014 07:41 AM

                                                                                                              Yes, I remember the North Beach clubs. Not sure I get your point but yes.

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                                                                                                                MamasCooking Jan 25, 2014 12:31 PM

                                                                                                                My point being I was addressing your outrage regarding the existence of nude or partially nude entertainment venues. They have existed for decades so I don't get you being so scandalized by CH not censoring discussions regarding food service at such venues.

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                                                                                                                  c oliver Jan 25, 2014 12:35 PM

                                                                                                                  I don't know that I would describe myself as outraged or scandalized, rather disappointed or maybe even shocked at it being an appropriate topic for CH. But that question has been answered and I accept that 100%.

                                                                                                                  As far as something existing for a long time, I don't see how that has relevance to its rightness or wrongness. I guess the first thing that jumps into my mind is slavery. Or overcooked meat :)

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                                                                                                      plasticanimal Jan 23, 2014 01:22 PM

                                                                                                      So you think that rather than a willing woman being compensated for being looked at, it's better for all women to be mentally stripped for free? You are fine with everyone you know spending energy and imagination picturing your body if it means no woman is being paid for showing hers?

                                                                                                      And I shudder when people ask me to "remember the days" of a supposed time when sexuality was somehow more pure. When I was young it was a crime to love someone of your own gender, but it was legal to rape your wife. I think we've moved forward pretty nicely, and if the consequence is that we have less scorn for people who want to look at naked bodies, I'm fine with it.

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                                                                                                        pinehurst Jan 23, 2014 01:26 PM

                                                                                                        Please don't equate sex-based trades with civil rights and human rights. And please don't be naïve enough to think that every sex worker is there of her (or his) own volition.

                                                                                                        As for everyone I know spending energy picturing my body??? Um.....thanks?

                                                                                                        Topless bars are not about entrepreneurship. Nor about being a foodie, my fellow Chowhounds.

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                                                                                                          plasticanimal Jan 23, 2014 01:36 PM

                                                                                                          I'm sorry, but I cannot oblige your request to not disagree with you.

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                                                                                                            pinehurst Jan 23, 2014 02:31 PM

                                                                                                            That's perfectly okay. Free country, and it is fine to disagree.

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                                                                                                            MamasCooking Jan 25, 2014 12:26 AM

                                                                                                            Adults are free to live comfortably within their own morality without others trying to subliminally inflict their personal morality on them via shame etc. Being sanctimonious is also not necessary to get one's point across.

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                                                                                                              pinehurst Jan 25, 2014 12:48 PM

                                                                                                              To your first sentence: generally, that is true, assuming the person has a moral compass. Sociopaths aren't allowed to live within their own morality, nor are people whose morality is at odds with our culture, such as certain religious zealots (think radical Islam), or the folks from NAMBLA. You're describing a moral Utopia where everything is "live and let live"--it's never gonna happen.

                                                                                                              Where, how, and with whom others get their sexual kicks is, at the end of the day, of no interest to me in this cyber setting. I just don't broadcast where I get mine on CH, and, at the end of the day, I'd like to keep Chowhound about the food...unlike a post on a food board that was blatantly--not subliminally--about ogling. That's just me. Sorry for being 'sanctimonious'. If that's how I come off, I'll own it and I'll keep it. We too will agree to disagree, I hope.

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                                                                                                        Tom34 Jan 23, 2014 01:01 PM

                                                                                                        #2) Do whorehouses serve food too?

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                                                                                                          SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 01:01 PM

                                                                                                          7) I <3 Veggo!

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                                                                                                          miss_belle Jan 23, 2014 11:42 AM

                                                                                                          I've only been to Hooters once. On vacation in Florida 10 years ago. The two things I remember about the place is there was not a large breast in sight on any of the waitstaff and the raw oysters had a greenish tinge to them(which the manager assured us was typical of Florida oysters). I still wouldn't touch them.

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                                                                                                            jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 12:23 PM

                                                                                                            Which were you most disappointed by?

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                                                                                                              miss_belle Jan 23, 2014 12:30 PM

                                                                                                              Just making an observation. That's all.

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                                                                                                            singlemalt Jan 23, 2014 08:53 AM

                                                                                                            Wow, what a can of worms I opened, somewhat intentionally, I'll sheepishly admit. It was meant to be a joke and draw out a few calumnies but the joke was on me in the long run when the mods noted it is fair game for legitimate discussion.

                                                                                                            IMO, it should be okay. I don't especially care for topless clubs but will admit to having a very good taco salad in one here in Austin, one that I have not been able to find duplicated anywhere.

                                                                                                            I do think DebinQueens makes a good point though. It's like I tell my wife about the illegal workers we have in Texas, and everywhere for that matter, while we may not agree with using illegal workers, do you want, otoh, to pay $10 dollars for a tomato?

                                                                                                            Remember the grape boycott?

                                                                                                            Thanks for all of your comments, thanks mods for taking the objective and balanced approach.

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                                                                                                              jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 08:57 AM

                                                                                                              Singlemalt, please forgive my confusion, but what can of worms did you open? This is your first post on this thread that I can see.

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                                                                                                                c oliver Jan 23, 2014 08:59 AM

                                                                                                                He, and I'm assuming a "HE," is the OP on the OP on topless bars.

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                                                                                                                  jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 09:01 AM

                                                                                                                  Ohhhhhhhh gotcha! I ain't too bright there C, sorry. I still don't understand what your big objection is to a bar that requires you to take your hat off. {{shrugs}}

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                                                                                                                    c oliver Jan 23, 2014 09:24 AM

                                                                                                                    And you wonder why we wouldn't go out to dinner with you??? J/K, jr :)

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                                                                                                            2. pinehurst Jan 23, 2014 08:44 AM

                                                                                                              Pikawicca,

                                                                                                              FWIW, I agree...of course, "ogling" was in the title line, which is pretty much semaphore for "it's really not about the food, but aren't I a bad boy"

                                                                                                              Of course, there's a post from years ago still floating in the boards ether about "Guinea Grinders" (a type of--you guessed it--Italian sub) that still stands, so maybe I'm just an uptight chick.

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                                                                                                                Gio Jan 25, 2014 01:49 PM

                                                                                                                WHAT?!? Yes, I am shouting and entering the arena. I don't recall Ever seeing that. If I had everyone would have suffered from The Wrath of Giovanna.

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                                                                                                                veganhater Jan 23, 2014 08:17 AM

                                                                                                                Although I don't enjoy strip clubs, I agree with chowhound on this one. Try imposing your morals on restaurants that serve bad food.

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                                                                                                                1. grampart Jan 23, 2014 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                  What are your feelings about Hooters?

                                                                                                                   
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                                                                                                                    SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 08:17 AM

                                                                                                                    This I can speak for! I enjoy a lot of their food, personally.

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                                                                                                                      jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 08:23 AM

                                                                                                                      I haven't been to a Hooters in over 15 years.

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                                                                                                                        SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 08:25 AM

                                                                                                                        Might be time to change that, although I haven't been in a few years myself.

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                                                                                                                          c oliver Jan 23, 2014 08:30 AM

                                                                                                                          Patronizing any place like that, IMO, is almost like seeking out those restaurants that are owned by the Klan. I say "almost" because Hooters and strip clubs are just one of the baby steps towards bigotry.

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                                                                                                                            Melanie Wong Jan 23, 2014 08:33 AM

                                                                                                                            Just as places that serve alcohol are a gateway to heroin addiction and fornication. We better delete any posts for restaurants that have likker licenses.

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                                                                                                                              c oliver Jan 23, 2014 08:36 AM

                                                                                                                              Yeah, yeah. I was getting a tad carried away :) But I personally would NEVER patronize any place like that because I am a flaming liberal, starting with "women's lib" back in the day. Thanks for reining me in, MW :)

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                                                                                                                        c oliver Jan 23, 2014 08:27 AM

                                                                                                                        They could have the best food in the world and I'd never go anywhere that objectifies ANYONE.

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                                                                                                                          SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 08:34 AM

                                                                                                                          Objectifies?!?!? You do realize these girls choose to work there, right? There is clearly a stigma that some people have with Hooters since the name is Hooters and the way they've branded themselves, but in all honesty, I'll find just as skimpy uniforms in any cocktail bar all over the country.

                                                                                                                          Edited to add: case in point, we just had a Toby Keith's "I love this Bar and Grill" open up in my city. The girl's there wear cowboy boots, jean shorts, and tanks.

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                                                                                                                            c oliver Jan 23, 2014 08:45 AM

                                                                                                                            Well, I hardly think we'll hold Toby Keith up as any kind of model for liberal thinking :)

                                                                                                                            Here's an article regarding objectification:

                                                                                                                            http://www.apa.org/education/ce/sexua...

                                                                                                                            If you choose not to read it all, you can go to page 26 to read about Hooters specifically.

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                                                                                                                              jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 08:52 AM

                                                                                                                              I think Sara should read the whole thing, then write a report to us on her findings, and hopefully change of opinion. SHAME Sarah! Shame! (this is a joke and I am not trying to antagonize Sarah, sorry Mods)

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                                                                                                                                SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 09:53 AM

                                                                                                                                I'll get right on that.

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                                                                                                                              MamasCooking Jan 25, 2014 12:35 AM

                                                                                                                              And some of the skimpy outfits worn by cocktail waitresses in Reno, Tahoe and Vegas are very provocative. As an R.N. I like seeing a healthy human specimen:) J/K.

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                                                                                                                              grampart Jan 23, 2014 08:35 AM

                                                                                                                              How noble. No Las Vegas show girls for you, I assume.

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                                                                                                                                Melanie Wong Jan 23, 2014 08:36 AM

                                                                                                                                Not if they show their ankles. Put a veil on!

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                                                                                                                                  Bob Martinez Jan 23, 2014 06:58 PM

                                                                                                                                  Veil? No! A burka!!!

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                                                                                                                                    kevin Jan 23, 2014 10:51 PM

                                                                                                                                    Yeah.

                                                                                                                                    Burkas are pretty fucking sexy.

                                                                                                                                    And that's no joke.

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                                                                                                                                greygarious Jan 23, 2014 10:43 AM

                                                                                                                                I agree and would take it even further. If I learned that someone I knew patronized such establishments I would, in the words of the late, great Jennifer Paterson, "stop acquaintanceship" with said person.

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                                                                                                                                  SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 10:52 AM

                                                                                                                                  Seriously?!? So you find out your best friend, who you think of as a great person, volunteers at a soup kitchen, would give the shirt of their back for someone in need, etc, steps into Hooters one day for some lunch, and you'd stop talking to them?

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                                                                                                                                    greygarious Jan 23, 2014 11:48 AM

                                                                                                                                    I think your example is quite extreme. Our natures would be different enough that I would not HAVE a best friend whose principles did not preclude patronizing sexist establishments. A friendship with such a person would never progress that far. That includes Hooters and Playboy Clubs, though they are not in the same desecrable league as topless bars/strip clubs/brothels. And I hope that there's not a significant segment of the populace that couples a strong charitable bent with a need to ogle scantily-clad/naked women. But yes, if I find out that people I knew did so, I'd no longer associate with them.

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                                                                                                                                      grampart Jan 23, 2014 11:51 AM

                                                                                                                                      "And I hope that there's not a significant segment of the populace that couples a strong charitable bent with a need to ogle scantily-clad/naked women. "

                                                                                                                                      I wouldn't call it a need, but I sure do enjoy it!

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                                                                                                                                        SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                                        I don't find it extreme at all. Everyday people patronize Hooters without giving it a second thought. It doesn't mean it defines them as a person. Now yes, if this is a person who seeks out Hooters in every city they go to, or has some sort of obsession with it, then this is different and it would probably indicate something about them, otherwise, but this isn't what I'm talking about. I haven't been to Hooters in several years, but the last time I went was when I was on a business trip in Phoenix. A couple of male coworkers were going there one night and invited me along. I enjoy a night out and drinks with company, so I went. I could've given 2 shits if it were Hooters or Applebees. I can assure you that I didn't go to look at the woman, but there were circumstances that lead me to there that had nothing to do with that. I gave it no thought one way or the other. To me it's a bar/restaurant and nothing more. Not everyone views it as this morally offensive objectionable to woman place. Had I been your best friend, or acquaintance, or whatever, I doubt I would find the visit worth mentioning to you when I returned from my trip.

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                                                                                                                                          c oliver Jan 23, 2014 12:23 PM

                                                                                                                                          The point is that no real friend of mine would go there regardless of the situation/reason. And if I were invited, I'd say 'sorry, guys, that's not my cup of tea.'

                                                                                                                                          If "Everyday people patronize Hooters without giving it a second thought," perhaps they SHOULD give it a second thought. Actions really do speak louder than words.

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                                                                                                                                            greygarious Jan 23, 2014 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                                            If a woman expects to be treated like a lady, she should consistently behave like one, and not like one of the boys.

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                                                                                                                                            jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 12:24 PM

                                                                                                                                            I"m not sure I can remain your posting pal after reading this.

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                                                                                                                                              SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                              Damn.......in that case I probably shouldn't tell you about how one of the Hooters girls in Phoenix came back to my hotel room that night and.........

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                                                                                                                                                jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 01:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                Ok we're friends again!!! And...........????

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                                                                                                                                            jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 12:22 PM

                                                                                                                                            So if you don't mind me asking where do you draw the line with "ogle scantily clad/naked women". There are museums around the world filled with sculptures and paintings alike, which are of the nude or scantily clad female form.

                                                                                                                                            One doesn't have to go to a bar, strip club or brothel....suppose someone enjoys the scenery of a beach surrounded by women in scantily clad clothing..............how or where do you draw that line?

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                                                                                                                                              MamasCooking Jan 25, 2014 12:36 AM

                                                                                                                                              LOL our age is showing:)

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                                                                                                                                            grampart Jan 23, 2014 11:06 AM

                                                                                                                                            Are you talking about the fat lady cook who spent a good part of her life in a drunken haze while frittering away millions of dollars she didn't work to obtain? That Jennifer Paterson?

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                                                                                                                                              c oliver Jan 23, 2014 11:16 AM

                                                                                                                                              g will reply but I think she meant THIS person.

                                                                                                                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer...

                                                                                                                                              Not sure what this has to do with the topic however.

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                                                                                                                                                grampart Jan 23, 2014 11:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                I seem to have confused her with the other fat lady cook. Odd that she would have an acquaintanceship with this person.

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                                                                                                                                                greygarious Jan 23, 2014 11:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                She had a way with words.

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                                                                                                                                                  greygarious Jan 23, 2014 01:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                  The "Fat Lady" who came from the aristocracy and overcame alcohol dependency is not Jennifer but Clarissa Dickson Wright.

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                                                                                                                                                  c oliver Jan 23, 2014 11:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Ya know, g, after I posted I had the same thought. In FB parlance, I'd "unfriend" them. Twenty-five years ago when Bob and I were marrying each other the first time :) someone wondered 'what if Bob had a problem with my not changing my name.' My reply was that we'd have realized where we were NOT heading long before we got around to discussing name changing :) Same with this.

                                                                                                                                                  Just like I don't go to Chick Fil A.

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                                                                                                                                                    grampart Jan 23, 2014 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                    "Just like I don't go to Chick Fil A."

                                                                                                                                                    That same old breast hang-up rears its ugly head.

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                                                                                                                                                      c oliver Jan 23, 2014 11:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Same song, different verse.

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                                                                                                                                                Tom34 Jan 23, 2014 09:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                A friend dated several, he quickly moved on.

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                                                                                                                                                  c oliver Jan 23, 2014 09:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Smart friend. But maybe not REAL smart since he dated more than one.

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                                                                                                                                                    davidg1 Jan 23, 2014 10:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                    So you simultaneously decry the degradation and abuse of women and belittle those same women.

                                                                                                                                                    That says it all.

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                                                                                                                                                      c oliver Jan 23, 2014 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                      I was being a smart ass and that wasn't appropriate either. Apologies.

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                                                                                                                                                  MarlboroMan Jan 24, 2014 08:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                  My wife won't let me. I did used to enjoy their wings.. but now that gluten intolerance has reared its ugly head in my life.. and their wings are breaded, well, I ain't missin' much.

                                                                                                                                                  I think she caught on to the Tilted Kilt as well..

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                                                                                                                                                3. jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 07:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                  In a rare turn of events for me I'm actually going to agree with the Mod's on this one. If you find it objectionable flag it and notify them of your concern or problem, but I don't believe we should be directly confronting each other on the validity of our posts.

                                                                                                                                                  Besides here is the local establishment to me, as you can see the sign clearly states "GREAT FOOD" !!

                                                                                                                                                   
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                                                                                                                                                    SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 08:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                    Haha! I was just waiting for you to respond to this one, and yes, I agree. Let's not get all vigilante on each other.

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                                                                                                                                                      c oliver Jan 23, 2014 08:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                      This is the part I object to:

                                                                                                                                                      The Chowhound Team about 14 hours ago
                                                                                                                                                      We take no position on whether or not strip clubs should exist. However, they do exist, and some serve food, and a discussion of which clubs serve the best food is an appropriate topic for Chowhound."

                                                                                                                                                      I'm still waiting for a reply to my question of whether it's appropriate to ask which "whore houses" (quotes deliberate) serve the best food. In the counties in Nevada and places around the world where prostitution is legal.

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                                                                                                                                                        SaraAshley Jan 23, 2014 08:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Based off their stated policy, I would guess that yes, it is appropriate.

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                                                                                                                                                          grampart Jan 23, 2014 08:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                          If a brothel serves food and prostitution is legal there then, yes I think it would be a valid question. Just like, where in Colorado do they sell the tastiest cannabis brownies?

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                                                                                                                                                            jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 08:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Do you actually know?

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                                                                                                                                                              grampart Jan 23, 2014 08:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Know what?

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                                                                                                                                                                jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 08:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Where in Colorado they sell the tastiest cannabis brownies? (And if they deliver to NJ) lol

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                                                                                                                                                                  grampart Jan 23, 2014 09:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  I thought you might be asking if I knew which brothels served the best food. As far as the brownie market in Colorado.........I got nothin'! Many years ago when I lived in NJ, we used to make a sticky, messy, chocolate treat that included powdered weed and morning glory seeds. Highly recommended!!

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                                                                                                                                                                    MarlboroMan Jan 24, 2014 08:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    S.W.I.M. used to make ganja liqueur. Since MJ is soluble in both alcohol and fat, this worked quite well. (And explains why "weed tea" is a failure).

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                                                                                                                                                            jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 08:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                            C, as others have stated I'm fairly sure if the "whore house" is legal and serving food, it's fair game here on Chow. At least that seems to be the Mod's stance, so I think you have the answer to your question.

                                                                                                                                                            I was on vacation in Fla. about 20 years ago, in the Tampa area and there were several "Gentleman Clubs" that were full scale restaurants, bars & lounges. It wasn't the dark "seedy" type of places we have here in Jersey.......it was a much differnet experience.

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                                                                                                                                                              Tom34 Jan 23, 2014 09:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                              I have never been to a "whore House". Do they serve food too?

                                                                                                                                                              The Hooters near us closed years ago. Overly priced low quality food. I guess once the novelty wore off people went back to their local taverns for good bar food.

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                                                                                                                                                                EarlyBird Jan 23, 2014 05:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Oh please. It's not always 1969.

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                                                                                                                                                                  c oliver Jan 23, 2014 05:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  Have no idea what that refers to.

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                                                                                                                                                                    kevin Jan 23, 2014 10:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Neither do I.

                                                                                                                                                                    Please explicate.

                                                                                                                                                                    Danka shen.

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                                                                                                                                                              sedimental Jan 22, 2014 10:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                              Isn't looking for topless bars with good food, kinda like looking at playboy for the articles?

                                                                                                                                                              WTF?

                                                                                                                                                              Sure...that sounds legit.

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                                                                                                                                                                HillJ Jan 23, 2014 06:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Isn't that where you find the food porn industry? Never could find 'their' address....

                                                                                                                                                                I hit the links sited and flagged in the OP and there isn't much food discussion going on...just a lot of joking around with the CH Team intervention (as expected) to stay on the topic of food.

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                                                                                                                                                              2. The Chowhound Team Jan 22, 2014 06:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                When you come across a topic that's not to your interest, the best thing to do is to skip it. While it's fine to flag a post if you think it's a violation of our guidelines,it's never OK to tell another poster you think their topic is not appropriate.

                                                                                                                                                                Chowhound hosts a variety of users, and if the topic is about where to find the best chow options, we allow it. Here are some past threads on similar topics, going as far back as 2004:

                                                                                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/885758
                                                                                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/847978
                                                                                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/329474
                                                                                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/29453

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                                                                                                                                                                  c oliver Jan 22, 2014 06:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  I haven't and won't read the earlier threads but are you saying that something that degrades and abuses women is an appropriate topic for CH? I don't care that it goes back ten years; it's still wrong. Your roof/your rules but I'd like you to consider changing this position. Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                    The Chowhound Team Jan 22, 2014 06:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    We take no position on whether or not strip clubs should exist. However, they do exist, and some serve food, and a discussion of which clubs serve the best food is an appropriate topic for Chowhound.

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                                                                                                                                                                      c oliver Jan 22, 2014 06:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      So then legal in some places houses of prostitution are okay also? No diff, right?

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                                                                                                                                                                        debinqueens Jan 22, 2014 07:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        sure, if they serve top notch clams casino and/or bratwurst platters.

                                                                                                                                                                        but seriously? i know women who've worked as strippers/exotic dancers of their own volition, earned plenty of cash and moved on. there are some who get mired in that world.

                                                                                                                                                                        is it immoral or wrong? to some, yes it is.

                                                                                                                                                                        to some, eating food items sourced from non-fair trade sources is immoral. migrant workers are still abused in dreadful ways. should we ask restaurants to guarantee that their veggies are not harvested by indentured, abused workers? should we check the worker health records of every meat packing plant that serves nyc?

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                                                                                                                                                                          c oliver Jan 22, 2014 07:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          Especially the brats!

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                                                                                                                                                                            AreBe Jan 23, 2014 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe this place would serve you a good brat platter. Shared on Facebook by George Takei from That's What She Said

                                                                                                                                                                             
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                                                                                                                                                                              c oliver Jan 23, 2014 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              Like!!! He's brilliant, isn't he?

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                                                                                                                                                                        kevin Jan 23, 2014 12:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        That's true.

                                                                                                                                                                        Some do serve food and that just gave me an idea.

                                                                                                                                                                        For a second, I thought those posts were not allowed.

                                                                                                                                                                        And I'm glad that they are allowed.

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                                                                                                                                                                      jrvedivici Jan 23, 2014 08:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Hahahahahaha I love the last one...."A decent wine menu would be a big plus"....................That's f'n great.

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                                                                                                                                                                    3. c oliver Jan 22, 2014 05:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Nor can I. I considered flagging it but took a nap instead figuring others would take care of it. No?

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