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A couple or three years ago I asked fellow Hounds about stainless tableware. My question resulted in a lot of useful information, for which I remain grateful. When I chose my pattern I felt quite pleased with my choice, and I continue to use it daily with pleasure.

Now I need a set of white dinnerware. Over the last several years I have collected a few nice solid white serving pieces. I have Limoges, Bavarian, Meakin, and a newer British piece plus several platters of various sorts. In others words it is an eclectic group, but all in solid white.

I want a nicer set of white dinnerware, preferable porcelain or fine china, that I can use for nice occasions and also for casual gatherings. I don't do fancy dinner parties; dinner at my house is usually casual. I started looking for white dishes awhile back, and now, it appears I will have some actual money to spend! So, the search has become much more serious.

I narrowed it down to 2. Apilco Tuileries at W-S http://tinyurl.com/q6vhf67 ,

and Wedgwood White http://tinyurl.com/pjrglhf

I like the Apilco very well, but I adore the Wedgwood. Advantages to the Apilco seem to be durability. Reviews praise this. I think it is handsome but I am not fond of the cup style. However it seems well suited to my needs.

I don't know what the advantage to the Wedgwood would be. I don't even know what sort of dish is it. It is referred to as "fine china" and "whiteware". Do any of you know what whiteware is?

So, if any of you use Wedgwood or Apilco, I'd like to know how it has performed for you. This is important to me, because my Pfaltzgraff dinnerware bought about 14 years ago (made in America) has performed poorly. It has not broken so much as discolored and chipped. The discoloration is the most distressing.

Both of these patterns are dishwashable, which is major as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks in advance.

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  1. perhaps try one setting of both and take them for a test drive!

    1. My dishes are Apilco Tres Grande from W-S and I love them. They have a nice heft and durability. I use them every day. I've had them for about 10 years. I do have one cereal bowl with a chip after a mishap taking the bowl out of the dishwasher and knocking the edge of the counter top. Haven't had any issues running the plates/bowls through the dishwasher either on the top or bottom rack.

      When I was getting ready to purchase the dishes, I was only comparing them to similar options from Crate & Barrel, Pottery Barn, etc. So I don't know how they would stack up to Wedgewood - I mean, I know they have a fabulous reputation but in my mind I always thought of the brand as something you would have if you want a more formal china set.

      I liked that the Apilco white was a clean white and not with a grey or cream undertone. I haven't experienced any discoloration but I have been a little fussy about making sure certain foods like beets or tomato sauce don't sit on the plates or bowls for very long.

      I didn't care for the cup either so I just bought the dinner plate, salad plate and cereal bowl.

      Good luck with your decision!

      1. Fine china is very strong.

        My understanding is Apilco is heavier, bistro-style ware. Wedgwood is finer, thinner china.

        1. What about Pillivuyt?

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          1. re: rasputina

            I have been quite interested in the Pillivuyt pattern Eclectique. It seemed to be perfect for my needs. But I want a coffee with saucer. I poked around the W-S site and found the Queen Anne cup and saucer that would be fine, but honestly I don't like it very well. Then I found the Apilco, and it comes closest to what I had originally visualized.

            I've really searched the net for what I want. I would love to find what I want at Noritake. Silver Superstore has good deals on large sets of Noritake, but I can't find a basic plain white with a good cup and saucer. Almost all their patterns have gold or platinum bands.

            I intend to send for saucers for each set to see what the china looks like.

            I appreciate the comments so far.

          2. What stainless tableware did you get?

            Wedgewood white is bone china, which is thin but the most durable form of china you can get. If you like how it looks, get the Wedgewood because its going to be just as durable.

            And, how you have you looked at Revol which Sur La Table carries. It seems that's considered to be better than Apilco, or at least, more popular in France.

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            1. re: hobbess

              OK, will do. The Wedgwood description does not call the pattern bone china, but whiteware. I intend to send for a saucer, but I also intend to call the US WW headquarters for some more info.

              I did not check Sur La Table, so thanks for that.

              1. re: hobbess

                Oh, stainless pattern is Aquatique Ice by Yamazaki:

                http://www.silversuperstore.com/yamaz...

                But I will probably use silver with the new china which would be Repousse by whoever owns Kirk now:

                http://www.silversuperstore.com/kirk-...

              2. I've been using my mother's Wedgwood from the early 50s all my life, and it's still going strong. I've replaced pieces and added pieces from EBay over the years. It's an off white embossed design called Wellesley, and we used it for the daily dishes growing up, and I've used it daily more often than not for the past 40 years.

                I believe my Wedgwood is called Creamware, which may be not as thin and fine as bone China.

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                1. re: kitchengardengal

                  Thanks for the info!

                  1. re: kitchengardengal

                    Do you have a link that shows your mom's creamware? I'd love to see it.

                    I think it is wonderful that you have your mom's china in daily use. So nice to hear about a daughter treasuring her mom's china.

                    My mom's china is only some pieces. A few dinner plates, cups and saucers and a few misc. pieces. And it has to be hand washed, so is not practical for us now. It is packed away. I used to love it so! I do intend to hang a plate on the wall though, so I can look at it. (Note to self, get on this project now.)

                    1. re: sueatmo

                      Here is a photo of the cream soup bowl and saucer. I have eight of these sets. I've had to replace quite a bit of the Wedgwood that Mother gave me - a family of six is not that easy on the china !
                      We'd broken the ears off all of these bowls when I was a kid, and I found replacements on eBay.
                      I read once that parents should feed their children on china they'll remember, and I like that sentiment.

                       
                      1. re: kitchengardengal

                        How pretty! Your kids will remember using these pretty dishes, I'm sure.

                        1. re: sueatmo

                          Sueatmo, one of my sons is in the Navy and the other's a teacher. I told them both that when they find someone to marry, I'll see if she wants the Wedgwood. They're in their 20s and not quite to the sentimental stage about the dishes. But... They both use real dishes. No paper plates or Melmac for them! I think the Wedgwood has had a good influence on them.

                          1. re: kitchengardengal

                            Excellent!

                  2. I had to wait to order the Wedgwood, which I did tonight. It was not in stock. I rec'd an email today that the pattern was in stock, and that for every 3 place settings ordered, I could get another free. So, I ordered 10 settings for the price of 8, and I added 3 small pieces of serveware.

                    I had used Replacements to order a cup and saucer of the pattern I like, and they sent me a cup and saucer that are obviously not of the same vintage. The marks on the bottoms of the pieces do not match! However, the two pieces did match, and I decided I liked the china.

                    I intend to use this china frequently, if not day to day. I am so happy to have found it and had the money to buy it.

                    If any of you want Wedgewood or Waterford or Royal Doulton, you might check their US site for the deal--order three place settings and get one free. This is good until April 1.

                    Thanks to all who answered my original query.

                    1. looks like you made your choice -

                      My only suggestion was going to be to - get the measurements of the plates and be sure they fit in your dishwasher (if you're a dishwasher user). I have a few different sets of dinnerware, one of which the large plates don't fit easily in my dishwasher without the top rack spinning wand hitting them if I don't put them in just right and taking up a lot of room . . . .

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                      1. re: thimes

                        You make a good point! However Wedgwood White was designed in the 1920s, I believe, so it will not have the oversized plates of some newer dinnerware.

                        At least I hope not!

                        http://na.wwrd.com/ae/us/patterns-u-z...

                      2. I have been using wedgewood daily for thirty years and my plates have taken ridiculous abuse and still look great. I've dropped them, been left outside in the weather (don't ask) etc. I love that they are microwaveable, lovely and tough as nails when treated very carelessly. I am careful about not setting hot plates or bowls on top of a water spill or placing directly in the fridge when hot but that is it.
                        They have been through the dishwasher thousands of times. I love them. They add beauty to my everyday life. They were a gift from my mom and she paid plenty but they have served me incredibly well. They are white with colored flowers and somewhere I also have a set with yellow flowers waiting in the wings but not needed yet.

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                        1. re: givemecarbs

                          Please share your lovely Wedgwood pattern! I'd love to see it.

                          I hope my Wedgwood lasts as long as yours, and is as fondly appreciated.

                        2. The Wedgwood china arrived today. It is lovely in its simplicity, and I feel that I made a good choice for me. I ordered a gravy boat with the place settings, and it arrived in pieces. I called Wedgwood, and they instructed me to take a pic of the broken piece, email to them with my order number, and they would send a replacement. I did. I received an order acknowledgment just a few moments later.

                          I think you can order with confidence from the Wedgwood USA site. One complaint--I could not find a tracking number for the order I placed in late March. I did get a shipping notice in email.

                          Here is a link to my pattern: http://na.wwrd.com/ae/us/place-settin...

                          Thanks to all who posted, I enjoyed hearing how much some of you treasure your Wedgwood.

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                          1. re: sueatmo

                            Suetmo, I heard that WW has moved much of their production to Thailand (?). Do you know where your pieces were made? Thanks!

                            1. re: iyc_nyc

                              You could try Replacements if you want older production ...

                              1. re: foiegras

                                Yes, thanks. I was also just wondering if what I'd heard re: their shifting production was universal..

                                1. re: foiegras

                                  I ordered a cup and saucer from Replacements to see if I liked the cup. I did. But Replacements sent me a cup from one era and a saucer from another. The marks are different.

                                  1. re: sueatmo

                                    As a collector of vintage, I don't find that strange at all :)

                                2. re: iyc_nyc

                                  The bottom of the plates and the boxes they came in say England. Wherever they were made, they are beautiful.

                                  1. re: sueatmo

                                    That's great - thanks so much. Glad to see we can still get Wedgwood made in England.. And I love your place setting!

                                3. re: sueatmo

                                  Sueatmo, your Wedgwood pattern is lovely!
                                  I know you'll enjoy it for years.

                                  1. re: kitchengardengal

                                    Thanks.

                                4. Although you have made your decision, I feel compelled to comment as well. I purchased older (50's) Wedgwood plates in the Edme pattern (also creamware), many, many years ago at an antique store, and have used it daily for twenty five years. I also have added to my original set via ebay and other antique stores. It is durable and beautiful. I also have some of the Wellesley pattern--all the Wedgwood creamware mixes well. I too believe in using beautiful things daily. Oh, the other thing that's so wonderful is the weight is just perfect--a lot of the newer plates from China are just so, so heavy, and if you are older and at all arthritic, it's difficult to carry a stack of plates to the table. So, I was happy to hear you chose Wedgwood! I'm sure you'll enjoy it very much.

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                                  1. re: elonadevere

                                    I'd never paid attention to what pattern my Grandmother's pictorial Wedgwood plates were, but they are Edme! I'll have to look at the back of them, but I think they are old Roman architectural sites-there are 5 or 6 in the set. They would be from the 60s probably. I have them on plate racks up high on the wall, so I'll need a ladder to get up there and take one down to look.

                                    I, too, love my old Wellesley that my mother gave me. I started using the Wellesley daily again after a few years with some much heavier stoneware. I find that I prefer the lighter weight of the Wedgwood.

                                     
                                    1. re: kitchengardengal

                                      I noticed the same thing. Lighter than my Pfaltzgraff. And I've already dinged it on the counter. No chip, no damage.

                                    2. re: elonadevere

                                      Thank you.