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Helping in narrowing down the Paris list

In my best French style . . . Bonjour.

We are headed to Paris for two weeks in early July. It is myself and my husband for one week and we are then being joined by another couple. We love to eat and one of us is pretty serious about wine.

We are staying in apartments, one near Palais Royal, one on the Left Bank. But we are happy to travel for good food.

Using Chowhound as a guide, I have compiled a list of 36 restaurants. The "theme", if there is one, is really good food, under 100 E per person. We have some experience eating in Europe (including France) and like the idea of set menus. We also want to have a couple of meals in a brasserie (since we will be there on two Sunday's).

So, here is the list in no order (well, maybe alphabetically). Help us eliminate some and highlight the best. For dinner only.

Abri
L'Ambroisie
Atelier Joel Robechon (well we want at least one Michelin *)
Auberge Flora
Aux 2 Oliviers
Bistrot Victoires
Bistro Volney
Caius
Cafe des Musees
Chatomat
Goust
Huitrerie Regis (one of us loves oysters(
L'Arome
Le Cornichon
Le Pantruche
Le Pario
Le 6 Paul Bert
Le Florimond
Le Petite Cour
Le Saotico
Le Verre Vole
Les 110 de Taillevent
Les Bistronomes
Les Papilles
Les Tablettes
Lilane
Ouidino
Philou
Piroette
Pramil
Regalade St. Honore
Spring
Suave
Toyo Ze Kitchen Galerie

Have at it.

And merci bien.

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  1. 100 Euros... with or without wine?

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    1. re: allende

      Tough question -- but hoping for with wine -- I may be naive, but E100 per person seems like a reasonable ceiling.

      1. re: antonia2

        You're not naive, although I as always would advocate for lunch - in Europe, in France, one walks, one museums, one gardens. But so be it.

        1. re: John Talbott

          John,

          Are you suggesting substituting some lunches for dinners? This is always a big question for us -- usually we are out and about all day, often eating in a museum cafe or something light and then having a larger dinner.

          I know that the French and other Europeans often have a large lunch and light dinner and we would be fine with that. An excuse to buy food at the Grand Epicerie and eat at home.

          We would definitely consider some lunches.

          1. re: antonia2

            "Are you suggesting substituting some lunches for dinners?"
            Yes: I know we are not typical Yankees trying to cram everything into one or two weeks and explained our changes over the year on this post http://johntalbottsparis.typepad.com/...
            And I've given the advantages of eating lunch here
            http://www.bonjourparis.com/story/eat...

    2. So Toni, just to get the rules straight before we let the dogs loose - 14 evening meals, preferably set/menu/prix fixe, under 100 e all liquids included, right? John

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      1. re: John Talbott

        Well, we're trying for that . . . Of course, if it is a very great place, we would spring for more.

      2. I'd eliminate
        Pramil
        Regalade St. Honore

        I would not cross town for
        Pantruche
        Papilles

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        1. re: Parigi

          Parigi (and Ptipois),

          Apologies if I seem to be asking the obvious, but any reason you would not go to Regalade St Honore and Les Papilles? I just posted a request for updates on these two restaurants now and this post caught my attention. Many thanks.

          1. re: chowess

            La Régalade Saint-Honoré : lower-than-average-quality products that even careful cooking cannot redeem.

            Les Papilles : better products but the place IMO has gone downhill. But since I haven't been there in some time, I am ready to be corrected by people with more recent experiences. What I'm sure of, though, is that the wines are far less interesting than they used to be.

            1. re: chowess

              My experience with those two restaurants are quite similar to Pti's. If I work nearby and am stuck with eating out all the time in the 'hood, maybe. -- No. I still would not go. My go-toplace in the 5th is Dans les Landes.
              As for the Palais Royal-Bourse area, Terroir Parisien Bourse is light years better than Régalade SH.
              I so miss the old Chez Pauline. Had my wedding dinner there. Sob.

              1. re: Parigi

                "I so miss the old Chez Pauline. Had my wedding dinner there. Sob."
                wish i'd known you then but we had some mighty fine meals there nevertheless.

          2. And I'd eliminate
            Abri
            Auberge Flora
            Le Verre Volé
            Les Papilles
            Chatomat: reservation quite difficult (phone never answered)

            Careful, you put Toyo and Ze Kitchen Galerie on the same line.

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            1. re: Ptipois

              Any particular recent reason to eliminate Abri ? I went when it was a hot new opening in 2012 and had liked the food, the earnest young team and the great price, and would be sorry to hear if it hasn't kept up the momentum.

              1. re: shakti2

                Based on John Talbott, below, we're keeping keeping Abri.

                1. re: shakti2

                  Particular reason: yes, inconsistent food without much originality.

                2. re: Ptipois

                  That was a typo. Thanks for the help. This is making it much easier.

                3. I am going to go at this is a different manner, by giving a diverse list to “include” not exclude I (I’ve cheated and added some not on your list):
                  Oysters Huitrerie Regis
                  Other fish Clamato (also open on weekends)
                  Meat Hugo Desnoyer
                  An old style bistro Le Cafe des Musees
                  A new style bistro Bistro Volnay & Pirouette
                  Bistronomique Les Bistronomes
                  An old style resto Le Florimond
                  A new style resto Goust & Les Tablettes
                  An elegant resto 110 Taillevent
                  A bar a vins plus Le Verre Vole
                  One by a Japanese chef Abri
                  One by a French chef with Asian Ingredients Ze Kitchen Galerie
                  One by a Brazilian chef Le Pario
                  One by a Yankee chef Spring
                  One by a Korean/French chef Pierre Sang Boyer in Oberkampf
                  A brasserie Garnier
                  (I confess I have not been to L'Ambroisie, Caius or Atelier Joel Robuchon in years nor Aux 2 Oliviers, Chatomat (I only eat at lunch) Bistrot Victoires, Lilane, Ouidino, or Suave ever)
                  (And there should be a place for L’Auberge Flora, L'Arome, Le Cornichon, Le Pantruche, Le 6 Paul Bert, Le Saotico, Les Papilles, & Regalade St. Honore)
                  (And I dropped entirely - Le Petite Cour, Philou, Pramil, Toyo and the two Darroze's on another thread)

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                  1. re: John Talbott

                    Actually this is helpful. Thank you. And we're keeping Abri.

                    Toni

                    1. re: antonia2

                      I lunch fabulously recently at Abri.
                      But a couple of things:
                      The very nice waitress kept recommending the "menu supplice" (torture menu). After a while, I understood that she meant, in her charming accent, "menu surprise".
                      Last week I tried to call to make another appointment and had great difficulty. After trying to call for an hour, I got a gentleman who told me the hour when he would have a table. I said: "please wait a second ; I will consult my husband." The gentleman hung up instead.
                      After another hour trying to call the restaurant, I got the same gentleman who this time told me the restaurnat was full for that evening.
                      Therefore do expect a degree of "téléphone supplice".

                      1. re: Parigi

                        Parigi:
                        Your caution about making reservations and communicating clearly at Abri are well-taken.
                        Toni: There are other great places chef'd by Japanese guys: Les Enfants-Rouges, Kei, Sola and Concert de la Cuisine.

                        1. re: John Talbott

                          Kei is fine and Sola better than fine but a person is unlikely to come out under 100 euros at dinner time. Encore in the 9th and Étude in the 16th are good options as well.

                          1. re: shakti2

                            Whoops, forgot the dinner restriction. Looks like Les Enfants Rouges has a 35 E menu at both meals though.

                        2. re: Parigi

                          We will take this under advisement. We hate "supplices".

                      2. re: John Talbott

                        Thanks for the great list John.

                        I took the liberty of adding them to a map for easy location.

                        https://goo.gl/maps/FRNI3