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Disaster -- New York mayor eats pizza with a fork (aka Forkgate)

http://politix.topix.com/news/9792-di...

"There's certain things New Yorkers just don't do to their food - like putting ketchup on a hot dog - and Mayor Bill de Blasio broke the other primary Big Apple food taboo when he took a knife and fork to a slice of pizza in Staten Island."

LMFAO. After the recent Jon Stewart debacle, Chicagoans are probably happy that New York no longer has credibility.

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  1. I eat pizza with a knife and fork. I'll forgive Mayor de Blasio even though I don't necessarily agree with his politics.

    But call me a fusspot. I even eat fried chicken, and club sandwiches, with a knife and fork.

    But ketchup on a hot dog -- that's just *wrong*.

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    1. re: shaogo

      New York is doomed

      *sorry Shaogo I didn't intend to reply to your post, fat thumbs, small phone.

      1. re: shaogo

        Do you eat candy bars with knife & fork, a la Seinfeld?

      2. I was minorly dressed down by the bar man at Rutts Hut when I insisted on ketchup on my ripper last weekend. A hotdog without ketchup is like a day without sunshine.

        Regarding pizza, depending on the amount of stuff on it, it's impossible to fold and eat like you do with a NYC slice.

        Still, he looks a bit too fussy eating that pizza....

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        1. re: C. Hamster

          I've been folding all the "new-fangled" $$$ Neapolitan pizzas out there ....... arugula, prosciutto, brussel sprouts or whatever else are on them !

          1. re: pikawicca

            A pretty hilarious dig at Chicago "pizza." Go check the interwebs.

            1. re: pikawicca

              Jon Stewart also did a bit two years ago when he went ballistic on Trump for eating his pizza with a fork and knife when Palin was in town with him. Funny bit but who the heck cares if you use your hands or not, sometimes I use my hands sometimes I don't depending on the type of pizza, dough & the temp of the pizza. I also sometimes put ketchup on my dogs, people take life too seriously, chill folks.

              1. re: JerkPork

                It's not taking things seriously... just the opposite.

                1. re: JerkPork

                  Yeah, classic bit. Stewart ripped on Trump not only for the fork and knife but also for taking Palin to an undistinguished chain resto rather than a real NYC destination place.

              2. Folded, and held by hand, is the only way to go.

                DD pizzas are exactly what Jon said, they're CASSEROLES !

                1. Michael Bloomberg (who I admire endlessly), go ahead and fork it.
                  de Blasio, a newly elected Italian, forking pizza in his jurisdiction and voting community?
                  GONG!
                  Maybe this will take some heat away from Chris across the bridge, but I doubt it!

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                  1. re: Veggo

                    Billy boy there was born William Wilhelm Jr. Papa is German, Mama is Italian. That might explain it ;-)

                    Bloomberg FTW.

                    1. re: LotusRapper

                      And he took mama's name? Curious. Thanks.

                      1. re: Veggo

                        Read the article in the NYT magazine. You will understand why. Complicated family life there.

                    2. re: Veggo

                      Maybe Chris and Rob (*that* Rob ....) can take turns with grabbing media attention.

                    3. I don't like having greasy fingers, so I use a knife and fork for pizza, along with messy sandwiches and most burgers. I don't give a damn what anybody thinks about that.

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                      1. re: emu48

                        Understood. But that's anathema to the Italian culture....:)

                        1. re: Veggo

                          Tell it to somebody from Naples. Their pizzas are dinner-plate-size, served whole, and eaten with knife and fork. But this is America, land of freedom. It's OK to eat pizza with chopsticks, if that's what floats yer boat.

                          1. re: emu48

                            Pizza etiquette differs between the Naples' in Italy and Florida.

                            1. re: emu48

                              Not just Naples but every city I've been to in Italy: pizza is a knife-and-fork meal.

                            2. re: Veggo

                              Some of the BBQ places in central Texas give nothing in the way of cutlery, maybe a plastic knife. At my Houston Mexican carneceria/taqueria, you're lucky to get a plastic fork, so my carnitas and asado de Puerco are usually eaten with the fingers. No knife and fork for pizza with me.

                              1. re: James Cristinian

                                I took over my husband's Leatherman tool that has a knife and flat and Phillips screwdriver. I keep it sharp because it's perfect for work, and the plastic cutlery at work is absurd because the handles are too short to use without looking like a caveman. I have no issues eating with my hands, but when you need a knife, you need a knife. Plus, I have a pair of spring-loaded chopsticks that I bought as a lark, and have never used, but I keep them in my purse just in case.

                              2. re: Veggo

                                Some Italians from Italy eat pizza with a k&f as opposed to Italians from America.

                                But then, the french eat a hamburger with a knife and fork so what do them europeans know?

                                1. re: Bkeats

                                  Most Europeans eat Pizza with a knife and fork.

                                  There is evidence that such a pizza-style bread, possibly originating from the earlier Greek colonies there, was served in Pompeii, and Herculaneum. In those early street-side taverns, there is not much evidence of knives and forks. Bread, including pizza-style products were eaten by hand, with soup or other hot dishes served in wood or terracotta bowls with a spoon.

                                  Smaller restaurants in Italy today usually serve a plate-sized pizza to each customer, which are not pre-cut or sliced into portions. It is left to the customer to decide how to slice and eat the pizza using the knife and fork.

                                  The other reason is to avoid greasy hands, especially with a glass of wine. In earlier times, that is what "prunts" or little glass knobs were for on Römer-style goblets. One could hold onto a wine goblet while eating greasy meat or fowl by hand.( Perhaps that is why there was a great deal of Velour fabric clothes worn in those times ).

                                  Diners using cutlery today can still enjoy themselves with no mess, and no grease, before paying the bill and later pressing on to the cinema or opera.

                                  Hamburgers, being an America invention derived from German Hamburg-style ground steak, which were first served on a plate using a knife and fork, are of course different. That dish has evolved into a finger-food meal, fully acceptable in Europe.

                                  One can use hands, clean or not, and make a big mess. It's OK, and acceptable. I will even join you in your meal, and may even pat you warmly on the back at the end, ( perhaps using both hands ).

                                   
                            3. I'm so happy we have solved poverty, disease, war and pollution, leaving time to spend on this kind of trivia. P.S. I use K&F when indicated, but ketchup never!

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                              1. re: mwhitmore

                                *said with all due respect*- "Bite me please!"

                                1. re: EWSflash

                                  As much respect as it deserves (grin).

                              2. Ha! It grosses me out when people fold their pizza. The first person I saw do that was an avowed overeater and it looked for all the world like he was folding it in order to cram more of it into his mouth at once. I've never actually seen anybody eat pizza with a knife and fork, nor do I wish to.
                                Sometimes, though, do like ketchup on my hot dog...

                                1. Here's how Neapolitan pizza (the original) is eaten:

                                  http://www.ottsworld.com/blogs/how-to...

                                  The crust of proper Neapolitan pizza is too crispy to fold.

                                  New York may have its own conventions for its own style of pizza, but I think Neapolitan is the best.

                                  1. I'm not a New Yorker and have no dog in this fight, I find the folding the pizza thing to be annoying. Why does pizza need to be folded?

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                                    1. re: John E.

                                      To avoid any oil dripping off the end onto your shirt as you walk down the NYC sidewalks while eating it.

                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                        and not a New Yorker here either (well, i was born there, but been a CA-er ever since), i actually think a folded pizza tastes better - there's something about the bite of it, all the cheeziness of it.... mmm... grease, yum....

                                        1. re: mariacarmen

                                          The burnt roof of your mouth when you bite into the pizza when it's still too hot.......

                                          1. re: mariacarmen

                                            Depends on the angle of the dangle. Others would know more about this than I do.

                                          2. re: LindaWhit

                                            I've eaten pizza slices while standing and walking, I've never felt the need to fold it.

                                            Folding pizza to me seems like breaking the sugar crust on crème brûlée and stirring it into the custard.

                                              1. re: EWSflash

                                                Can't do that if you're walking down the sidewalk, silly. :-)

                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                  I have eaten a lot of pizza in a lot of situations and have never found the need to fold it. In fact, I don't want to be served a slice of pizza that is undercooked enough to be able to be folded. I like thin crust pizza to be cooked crisp.

                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                      Pizza in NY is bigger than most, which is why you have to hold it a different way. It's a couple of inches longer, so it droops when you pick it up.

                                                      1. re: coll

                                                        This. If it droops, I fold. In New Haven, the insiders always order smalls, no need for folding.

                                                        1. re: coll

                                                          I aint eatin' no undercooked pizza.

                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                            Where are you getting this "undercooked" pizza? I have no idea what you're talking about, unless you're thinking of artisan vs regular. NY style is what's being discussed here. I have never seen undercooked pizza at any place I frequent.

                                                            1. re: coll

                                                              Agree, it's not "undercooked". The crust is done. It's just not done to a crispness where it would crack if you attempted to fold it.

                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                It isn't merely a matter of doneness, but thickness and diameter. Since I discovered Neapolitan pizza, typical American pizza just seems wrong. Yes, it's a matter of style, but a distinctly inferior style, in my opinion.

                                                                  1. re: GH1618

                                                                    And that's just it - it's everyone's own opinion.

                                                                    It's OK to eat pizza with a knife and fork some places, it's not in other places.

                                                                    It's customary to fold the slice for some, not so customary to do so for others.

                                                                    Some people like square slices; some people like triangle slices (for that easy folding, of course!).

                                                                    Some like cracker-thin crusts, others prefer a slightly thicker crust; some like a filled 2" thick pizza.

                                                                    What is inferior to one is perfect for another. Except for those darn Chicago-style pizzas - they're still wrong. ;-)

                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                      LindaWhit and coll take on Chicago! I want to watch this food fight.
                                                                      From a safe distance....:)

                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                        I'm waiting.......any challengers?

                                                                        1. re: Veggo

                                                                          coll's a Noo Yawker, and I was born in Brooklyn, grew up in Joisey.

                                                                          We got this.

                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                            I did not realize you were born in Brooklyn. Me too!

                                                                            1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                              Lived there all of nine months before the family moved to northern NJ. So no real experience with it in memory. :-)

                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                I hestitate to say this to you two ;-) but I'm originally a Bronxite. We moved to Long Island when I was in second grade, during the Great Exodus of the early 60s. I do have just enough memories of those days to keep me going!

                                                                                1. re: coll

                                                                                  I lived in Queens from the day I left the nursery ( moved from my grandparents house when I was born) till age 17, but I spent most weekends there. I lived in the Bronx 84-87.
                                                                                  And to mariacarmen, I still say "I'm from New York", but I have lived in California since 1988.

                                                                        2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                          girl from california raises hand timidly..."but i like malnati's..." *ducks quickly*

                                                                          1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                            LOL! You're allowed, mc. :-) I'll just find a thin crust pizzeria around the corner from Malnati's, and we'll meet in the park to enjoy our pizza.

                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                Malnati's actually does a thin crust, and it's better than their deep-dish.

                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                              from Victor Hazan, widower of the indomitable Marcella Hazan, on FB (apparently he was chastised by many in Italy that say they only eat pizza with a knife and fork if in a restaurant.):

                                                                              "It is obvious that I should never have stuck my neck out on the best way to eat pizza. I have tried hard to make it clear that it has nothing to do with the Mayor of New York. That photo was just another media stunt to generate attention. What seemed interesting to me was to recall the eating form that originated with the food in question and to suggest that there might be gastronomic value – pleasure that is - in that form. I was astonished at the variety of indignant, derisive, and defensive comments generated by my little post. Pizza was born as street food: see the fragment clipped from Oro di Napoli, perhaps the most acute and human of the great Italian film comedies. That the gentrification of pizza has invested it with a bourgeois dignity that demands the use of fork and knife, both here and admittedly even in Italy, ought not to divert our recollection and understanding of it as a masterpiece of street food. The joy of that kind of cooking when it is genuinely performed, whether in Naples or Singapore, is not wholly indivisible from the manner of its consumption. Can’t we make a case for the pleasure of a hot dog from a New York stand, consumed out of the hand on a street corner, and compare it with frankfurters served on a plate in a deli? I am made uneasy too by the indignation aroused by my suggestion that there are circumstances in which custom – pejoratively defined by some respondents as “rules” - has value. If it is not going to upset people too much, we may want to revisit this topic in another context with the objective of exploring the pleasures of taste and the infinite paths that lead to it. Until then, I’d like to wrap up this thread by asking Facebook friends to open their minds and their palates just long enough to entertain the possibility that pizza, real pizza that is, whether or not served at table, might really taste better when folded in the hand. Taste, Marcella used to say, is what matters. For Marcella and me, the elements of taste were not solely a professional occupation, they were a passionate and tirelessly pursued lifetime quest."

                                                                              1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                Victor is so right. And in Naples, street pizza is sold already folded.

                                                                                1. re: mbfant

                                                                                  Victor Hazan--how nice to read him again--is as graceful and intelligent and humane as ever. And right. The annoying shame is that he need make his case at all, but in a food-media culture filled with what Angelo Pellegrini called "gastronomic adolescents", I venture we should be grateful.

                                                                                2. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                  Wow! Somebody really overthought the hell out of this. :)

                                                                                3. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                  >> it's everyone's own opinion.

                                                                                  It's more than opinion. It is a cultural phenomenon, defined by extremely regional parameters-- particularly in those places with a very strong connection to their pizza, like NY or Chicago.

                                                                                  People from regions of the country without a strong regional interpretation of pizza (say, Minot, North Dakota) have a much looser idea of what pizza should be.

                                                                                  People identify with their regional style of pizza in much the same way that people identify with sports teams. It becomes more personal than it really should be. Someone seeing the mayor of NYC eating pizza with a knife and fork would be like the mayor of Los Angeles wearing Cardinals red jersey with the Dodgers logo printed across it. It cuts deep, because the mayer should know better. It labels you as an outsider.

                                                                                  Mr Taster

                                                                                  1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                    Good point, that otherwise unremarkable food can rise to memorable lofty status, or sink to the unforgettable depths of hell, depending on nothing more than the company or the conversation surrounding it at the moment.

                                                                                    1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                      My dear friend from small town ND tries to get us to go to Pizza Hut every time she visits and also refuses to go to any of our local mom and pops. Says she's home sick and only that will do. Makes me sort of sad but it's become a running joke at this point.

                                                                                      1. re: coll

                                                                                        How do Domino's and Pizza Hut survive in Manhattan?

                                                                                        I grew up in New Jersey and, as a teenager, recall the first Pizza Hut in the area opening. It was a 45 minute drive, but one that we made regularly.

                                                                                        As a teenager reared on proper Italian American central Jersey pizza (which I would later come to realize was referred to as "NY Style" by people not living in the region), Pizza Hut occupied a completely separate spot in my mind. It was not pizza-- it was Pizza Hut, and there was no mistaking the two. (e.g. "Let's get pizza" never EVER meant "Let's get Pizza Hut.")

                                                                                        Pizza-- real pizza-- came from any the family owned pizzerias down the block.

                                                                                        It wasn't until I moved to Missouri for college that I realized the dire state of pizza in much of the rest of the country. Good lord, those were troubling days-- when Papa John's and Domino's were not just embraced, but fully defined my friend's perceptions of what pizza was.

                                                                                        But I really need to know-- how does chain pizza survive in Manhattan? How can there be enough locals to sustain these businesses? Is the primary customer base the constantly revolving cavalcade of tourists? This is Manhattan- everything is delivered- (even things that shouldn't be, like sushi...but that's another conversation) so the chains don't have that competitive element. Are they cheaper? Is that really it?

                                                                                        Mr Taster

                                                                                        1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                          Same reason Seattle has so many Starbucks. Different people care about different things. The members of this site are a skewed sample. To some people, pizza is just pizza. Chain? Local store? Who cares? It's pizza. It's bread with cheese and sauce on it; not a life-and-death matter.

                                                                                          To each their own. I wouldn't drink Starbucks in Seattle or eat Pizza Hut in Manhattan, but I understand why many people do. I bet there are things they care about, about which I'd say, "who cares?".

                                                                                          1. re: Scrofula

                                                                                            >> The members of this site are a skewed sample. To some people, pizza is just pizza. Chain? Local store? Who cares?

                                                                                            From your response, I'm guessing you're not from the tri-state area.

                                                                                            The reason I say this is because my parents were not Chowhounds, but as native New Jerseyans they both intuitively knew that something about Pizza Hut just wasn't right. (And they certainly weren't going to drive 40 minutes for it.)

                                                                                            My friend's family were the ones obsessed with Pizza Hut (and they were and still are the extremely unadventurous type), and I enjoyed tagging along because because I enjoyed the ride, and it was so different from what I was used to. (I turned into a traveler and a Chowhound later in life, so perhaps this was telling.)

                                                                                            My mom lives in Missouri today, and still laments about the lack of good pizza there. (St. Louis pizza is an abomination... look it up if you are unfamiliar). And this is a woman who has no problem cooking semi-homemade dishes from packets and pouches. Not at all a Chowhound-- but she damn well knows what pizza should taste like.

                                                                                            Mr Taster

                                                                                          2. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                            I grew up in a small town in rural Minnesota. There was a tavern that sold pizza and tacos, but it really was not a family place. Then when I was about ten years old a local pizza place opened but closed after just a couple of years. When I was in high school a Godfather's Pizza opened. Not until I was in college did a Pizza Hut and Dominoes open up. It is common for rural midwest Americans to not have the 'pizza culture' of the northeast.

                                                                                            There are two Olive Gardens in Manhatten. I hope they survive on business from locals. I would hate to think that a tourist would go to NYC and then eat at a chain restaurant with nationwide locations.

                                                                                            I recently recieved a Darden gift card. Red Lobster isn't a good value, Olive Garden..., and there are no other Darden owned restaurants in our area.

                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                "I would hate to think that a tourist would go to NYC and then eat at a chain restaurant with nationwide locations."

                                                                                                ...and tourists do.

                                                                                                travelers may not, but tourists most definitely do

                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                  " I would hate to think that a tourist would go to NYC and then eat at a chain restaurant with nationwide locations."
                                                                                                  ~~~~~~~~

                                                                                                  Some people are creatures of habit. It's what they know. There are those Americans who go to Paris or Rome, and they don't eat in a bistro or a trattoria - they go to McDonald's. Because it's "safe". They know what they'll be getting.

                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                    I think being familiar, safe, and consistent is probably the biggest reason for the existence of franchised restaurants.

                                                                                                    I ate at a McDonald's twice in Chisinau, Moldova. I was there for three weeks. The first time was just the curiosty factor. (It was the first time I had a McDonald's double cheeseburger, I don't think they were on the U.S. menu.) The other time was with my cousins. They had never been to a McDonald's before. (They charged extra for ketchup.)

                                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                      "There are those Americans who go to Paris or Rome, and they don't eat in a bistro or a trattoria - they go to McDonald's. Because it's "safe". "

                                                                                                      that is completely depressing to me. but too sadly true.

                                                                                                      1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                        Most of the people in McDonalds in Paris or Rome are not Americans. They're French, Italian, etc.

                                                                                                        1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                          when my relatives from japan visit me here in the seattle area, all they want to eat is japanese food and steak and budweiser beer.

                                                                                                          1. re: ritabwh

                                                                                                            but are they eating fast food crappy Japanese food?

                                                                                                            ah well, tourists are the same the world over.

                                                                                                            1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                              It occurs to me that just because someone lives in Paris, New Orleans, NYC, San Francisco or any other place known for great food does not automatically mean when they go out to eat they always choose places with great food.

                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                well of course not everyone. and "great food" is subjective.

                                                                                                    2. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                      That's interesting. When I lived in St Louis--which has its own pizza style--there were a couple of NY style places with rough-bottomed crusts (cornmeal?) and a doughier "New Jersey" style place as well.

                                                                                                      Growing up in SW Missouri, though, it was all about competing chains--Ken's, Pizza Hut, Pizza Inn, Shakey's, Shotgun Sam's. With a couple of exceptions the idea of a hometown pizza place was alien to me until I was an adult.

                                                                                                      1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                        It seems to me most places would have to make a lot of money to keep going in Manhattan. I am under the impression a lot of family places have ended up in the outer boroughs. Maybe the chains appeal to tourists and can better manage the overhead.

                                                                                                        1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                          "How do Domino's and Pizza Hut survive in Manhattan?"

                                                                                                          Tourists account for a lot it - there are a lot of tourists. I don't look down my nose at tourists eating at chains, especially if they're travelling with kids.

                                                                                                          But this is a question that really puzzled me for a long time. These places aren't even cheaper and they're almost always on the same block as a local pizza place. Then I took a look at my own life and realized the obvious - I've lived here for decades, but like many New Yorkers I grew up somewhere else. New York is a city of immigrants, Manhattan included. Depending on where you're from these places may represent either a reminder of home or the epitome of first world glamor. Hard as it may be for CHers to realize, not everyone moves here for the food :)

                                                                                                      2. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                        Outsider may be the right observation. Though Bill was born in the NYC, he was raised in Cambridge and CT IIRC. Maybe those lefties in Cambridge also eat pizza with a k&f.

                                                                                                        1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                          I think that's the crux of it, actually,

                                                                                                  2. re: coll

                                                                                                    I ain't eatin' no flabby pizza.

                                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                                      I really have no idea what you're going on about.....what the heck is "flabby pizza"?

                                                                                                      1. re: coll

                                                                                                        Pizza that doesn't crack in half when you fold it, or something very close.

                                                                                                        1. re: EWSflash

                                                                                                          Flabby sounds like fat pizza to me. Pizza Hut maybe? Dominoes? Chuck E Cheese even.....something like that? Just guessing, but I have to say that pizza that cracks in half would also be strange, and somewhat annoying, to me.

                                                                                                          1. re: coll

                                                                                                            I was just having some fun with those posts. As a non-New Yorker, I find the act of folding a slice of pizza mildly annoying. Sure, it can be done, I just don't understand why it is done, I don't see the need to fold a slice of pizza.

                                                                                                            I know bunch of people here will try to explain why folding pizza is the way to eat NYC pizza, but it's really not necessary. I'm just a flatlander from flyover country.

                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                              Maybe some day you will visit our fair city and you can see why...it's not required though, just an instinctive thing that the denizens tend to do. We too are just having fun with y'all!

                                                                                                              1. re: coll

                                                                                                                We may get there sometime. I have a niece in Philadelphia and if we got there, I would definately make sure we included NYC on the trip.

                                                                                                                Also, my dad's neighbor here in Minnesota is the retired fire chief of Elizabeth, NJ and is always telling us we have to take a trip out east. We took him to our northern Minnesota hunting cabin, so he wants us to visit him when he spends August on the Jersey shore. His family's place apparently made it through Sandy ok.

                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                  My friends in North Dakota are begging to fly us out for a visit, it will happen soon enough. So I'll be asking YOU for advice on what to eat (and how to eat it!) when the time comes.

                                                                                                                  1. re: coll

                                                                                                                    John E is that where you are? My bothers "main squeeze" has kin in one of the Dakota's. He is there for all the holidays. I'm thinking you can't miss them.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                                      He's in Minnesota apparently. Not too far away. I think there's a few more residents in the Dakotas than you imagine though ;-)

                                                                                                                      1. re: coll

                                                                                                                        I imagine so. But Wikipedia says something like 1 percent Black. And she is not. Will he "blend"?

                                                                                                                        1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                                          North Dakota is undergoing a giant oil boom right now and according to my friend they are inundated with out of staters, mostly from the south. They are definitely not isolated from the rest of the the world! Not that I've been there yet, I have a feeling it will be nothing like I imagine either way. As is always the case!

                                                                                                                          1. re: coll

                                                                                                                            Most of that oil boom activity is happening in western North Dakota. Jamestown is 90 minutes from the Minnesota border.

                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                              She worked at the prison, so she got to see plenty of them anyway ;-) Seemed like they are always getting themselves into trouble.

                                                                                                                      2. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                                        We live in a northern suburb of the Twin Cities and coll is correct, SD is 833k in population and ND is 700k.

                                                                                                                        I have a brother across the river from Fargo, but I would take 'hounds' advice about dining.

                                                                                                                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/930827

                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                          There're in Jamestown, and from the way they beg for fast food here because they're "home sick" I'm a little afraid of what we will be eating ;-) They seem to spend a lot of time at Dennys, Applebees and Pizza Hut! I looked up Jamestown and sort of understand why. It's OK I need to lose a few lbs anyway ;-)

                                                                                                                          1. re: coll

                                                                                                                            Don't let them take you to any national chains. There are other options, plus Jamestown does not have a Denny's.

                                                                                                                            http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant...

                                                                                                                            If you end up going out for pizza, go to the buffet at The Pizza Ranch, pizza and fried chicken.

                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                              Hopefully pizza is not on the agenda, but fried chicken might be OK.

                                                                                                                2. re: John E.

                                                                                                                  John E.,

                                                                                                                  It's not complicated... and it's absolutely not just some fashionable cityfolk way to eat pizza. There are real, practical reasons for folding pizza.

                                                                                                                  Remember, these slices are wide, flat and thin. 8-10" long and 6" wide (or larger, depending on the pizzeria), and just a few mm to 1/2 cm thick. If you pick up a whole triangle and try eat it directly, aiming for the point that used to be at the center of the pie, the tip is likely going to flop down and spill cheese and grease on your lap.

                                                                                                                  Folding the slice at the crust edge provides structural integrity so that the tip points straight ahead, creating a little shelf that not only contains the grease, but allows you to aim it for your mouth more easily.

                                                                                                                  Think of a sheet of paper. If you hold it straight out at one edge, what's it doing to do? Flop down. If you crease the end of it, what does it do now? That's right, it stands straight out.

                                                                                                                  Pretty easy to understand.

                                                                                                                  Now, if your whole concept of pizza is formed around this idea of tiny slices of thick, doughy crust (or *gasp* SQUARES) then none of this is relevant to your world.

                                                                                                                  But in the NY and in fact the whole northeast corridor-- from Boston to Connecticut, Philly and NJ, this way of eating pizza is a universal truth. Any mom & pop pizzeria you go to in this region of the country (and there must be thousands upon thousands) will make pizza in this general style, and virtually everyone will be folding their slices.

                                                                                                                  Mr Taster

                                                                                                                  1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                    I have two hands, I could probably manage to eat the slice of pizza without folding. In fact, I have eaten large slices without folding.

                                                                                                                    As I wrote upthread, explanations are not needed.

                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                      Why would you use a second hand to eat a floppy slice, exposing the second hand to grease and cheese slippage, when a simple fold eliminates all of those problems?

                                                                                                                      It's really just the simplest, most efficient way to handle that type of food.

                                                                                                                      Yes, you can use two hands.

                                                                                                                      Yes, you can use a knife and fork.

                                                                                                                      Yes, you could have someone dangle it from a fishing wire in front of you.

                                                                                                                      None of those solutions is as easy and elegant as the one-handed slice-fold, and that's what millions of people, in the country, suburbs and the cities of the northeast have adopted for eating this very regional food.

                                                                                                                      The only easier, less complicated way I can think of eating a slice would be to telekentically lift it towards my mouth, but I'm still working on that technique.

                                                                                                                      Mr Taster

                                                                                                                      1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                        Why do you care so much what I think?

                                                                                                                        I don't fold pizza, I don't eat fried chicken with a knife and fork, I don't cut hamburgers in half. That's just me, you can eat any way you choose to.

                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                          You said that you:

                                                                                                                          A) didn't understand why why people do it, and
                                                                                                                          B) that you didn't see any need for it.

                                                                                                                          I gave you the reasons:

                                                                                                                          A) why people do it, and
                                                                                                                          B) evidence of why there is a need for it.

                                                                                                                          That's all.

                                                                                                                          Mr Taster

                                                                                                                          1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                            Thanks for taking the time to explain it so fully, Mr Taster. Next time this subject comes up, I'm borrowing this!

                                                                                                                            1. re: coll

                                                                                                                              That's why I wrote it! ;-)

                                                                                                                              Mr Taster

                                                                                                  3. re: John E.

                                                                                                    It sounds like you're unfamiliar with this particular type of crust. NY pizza is not a chemical leavened crust like St. Louis pizza (which is saltine-like in its rigidity), nor is it the biscuit-like crust of a Chicago pie. It is a yeast-leavened dough, and therefore has very different properties.

                                                                                                    The bottom layer of a NY pie should be crisp and rigid, but just above the crisp layer is a tender, chewy layer (which remains most from the sauce). The chew comes from gluten development, like any good quality bakery bread would. The "flop" comes from the sheer size of the slice, and is not due to underbaking. I know this because I have made this type of dough many times, but my pies are much smaller. As a result, the triangles are smaller and there is no "flop". So no flop, no need to fold. It's as simple as that.

                                                                                                    Mr Taster

                                                                                                    1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                      I have never eaten a St. Louis Style pizza. I have eaten New York style, big, floppy pizza. I have never folded it. That is my preference.

                                                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                  Or leaning through one of those windows....do they still have those windows?

                                                                                                  http://cleanupjamaicaqueens.files.wor...
                                                                                                  Caption reads "best pizza in NYC...even white people come (to Jamaica) to try it"

                                                                                                  By the time I finished high school, half the windows on Hillside Ave that USED to pass pizza were passing patties. Jamaican, beef, as if there were any other kind.

                                                                                              2. Different styles of pizza require different methods. A street slice - Ray's, Joe's, 99 cents (yes, this is a thing now) - can and should be folded and eaten out of hand. But the fancy Neapolitans - Keste, Motorino - are well-nigh impossible to pick up, because the center is too wet and droopy. Not that that's a bad thing, it just necessitates beginning the process with cutlery, and then finishing the old-fashioned way. The problem here, I think, is that DiBlasio looked too dainty. He's a big guy, so he should be able to just tip a 16" pizza right into his maw and be done with it. Next time, maybe.

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                                                                                                1. re: small h

                                                                                                  Agree with your method described.

                                                                                                  My homemade dough is light and crispy, so it can be eaten by hand - no need to fold. Pizza joints here in upstate NY? Forget about it. Slop and cheese rules, so the middle is forked and then it's cool enough to pick up the outer part and eat out of hand.

                                                                                                  1. re: small h

                                                                                                    Challenge! Eat this slice of pizza without utensils:

                                                                                                     
                                                                                                    1. re: small h

                                                                                                      What the hell is that green scepter / green vegetable Statue of Liberty torch doing on a pizza?

                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                        Impersonating an artichoke. No, wait, that's backwards. The artichoke is impersonating a torch.

                                                                                                        1. re: small h

                                                                                                          It may choke Artie but it won't choke me!

                                                                                                          (c) Little Rascals.

                                                                                                          :-)

                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                            I think more than anything the Little Rascals made me a picky eater as a kid. Just a few days ago someone reminded me of the hash episode. "Aw geez hash again?"

                                                                                                              1. re: small h

                                                                                                                Don't drink the milk!
                                                                                                                Why?
                                                                                                                It's spoiled!

                                                                                                                Lord, I loved the Little Rascals growing up. :D

                                                                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                  Although I think the last line was "It's poison!"

                                                                                                                  1. re: EWSflash

                                                                                                                    Not according to the link that small h. had in the post just above mine! :-)

                                                                                                              2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                Mr Rat says this LITERALLY every time he sees an artichoke, even on Top Chef.

                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                              It looks like a correctly trimmed carciofo alla romana. Where does this picture come from? I had pizza con i carciofi the other evening (in Rome), just mozzarella and carciofi alla romana, but sliced so that they became one with the melted mozzarella. Certainly they are impossible to eat whole without knife and fork.

                                                                                                              FWIW here's a report from the field. We had pizza and movie night at home the other evening for family aged 12 to 70. My husband went to the local pizzeria to get the pizza and supplì and brought them home. (Pizza delivery is not highly developed in Italy.) They had all pre-ordered Margheritas, and he and I had artichoke. Naturally it wasn't enough to just let everybody eat pizza and give the kitchen a rest that night, so while he was out I set the table with some antipasti and vegetables. (I suggested watching the movie while eating the pizzas out of their boxes, but was put in my place. We had to eat first at the table, then watch.) My sister-in-law slid each person's pie from its box onto a plate. There was about 3/4 inch of overhang. I noticed that everybody cut the pizza with knife and fork or the wheeled cutter I had provided, then ate with hands. But the pizzas were classic thin-crusted Roman, definitely not overloaded with toppings and not greasy. Folding was not necessary or even possible. The situation was totally laissez faire, and nobody was wearing a yellow necktie.

                                                                                                              1. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                Full Moon Pizzeria in the Bronx (Arthur Ave) makes a pie with the sliced artichoke with stem, cut the long way. I can't pass the area without picking one up. Definitely able to eat by hand.

                                                                                                                1. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                  <Where does this picture come from?>

                                                                                                                  My camera. The slice came from Nonna's on Clinton St. in Manhattan.

                                                                                                                  http://nonnaslespizza.com/

                                                                                                              2. re: small h

                                                                                                                Rather than eat it, I think I would plant it and see what comes up out of the ground.

                                                                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                  If only you'd chimed in earlier. I ate it. Probably wouldn't have sprouted anyway, in these fridged (sic) conditions.

                                                                                                                  1. re: small h

                                                                                                                    Don't abandon hope, be patient. It may yet sprout from you. Drink lots of water, skip the Miracle Grow.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                      <...skip the Miracle Grow.>

                                                                                                                      Of course. Or I'd have to change my user name.

                                                                                                                2. re: small h

                                                                                                                  Pick up the artichoke heart and eat that, the rest will be easy.

                                                                                                                3. I don't eat pizza with a fork and knife, but that is because I am Californian and celebrate my Californian tradition.

                                                                                                                  Here in NJ, I have seen many people eat pizza with a knife and a fork, and pair their pizza with wine. It is an Italian thing.

                                                                                                                  Bill del Blaio is of Italian decedent. I don't think this is really news-worthy.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                          Well, yes. I have to agree with that.

                                                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                        I don't think de Blasio is a decedent, lol... not yet anyway (and hopefully not for a long time).

                                                                                                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                          California pizza like California wine is also an Italian thing.

                                                                                                                          1. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                                                            <California pizza like California wine is also an Italian thing.>

                                                                                                                            http://njmonthly.com/downloads/4993/d...

                                                                                                                            ???

                                                                                                                            But we Californians do not eat pizza with wine and most definitely do not eat with knives and forks. Around here where I live (New Jersey), I would say most people probably still eat by hands, but a good majority eat with knives and forks. I would say about 60:40 or 70:30 ratio.

                                                                                                                            I was so surprised the first time I saw someone ate his pizza with knife and fork, and with a glass of red wine. I thought I entered a hidden mafia hideout.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                              Hey, I too am a native Californian and while pizza and wine don't seem like the obvious pairing pizza and beer would be, I saw people eating pizza with wine many times in California. The real difference is that California traditionally never did slices, folded or not. Sometimes you'd see them at the beach, but that's about it.

                                                                                                                              1. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                                                                Ah, it is possible that I was only in California up til my graduate school. So, in effect, I was living a "poorer than normal" and "younger than average" lifestyle. This may lead to me not ever seeing anyone drinking wine with pizza. I mean, I was hanging out with college students and graduate school in university towns....etc.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                  If I don't have wine to dip my pizza crust ends into....well I wouldn't know what to do with it!

                                                                                                                                  1. re: coll

                                                                                                                                    Milk? :) That's what I did when I was a little kid.

                                                                                                                                    (How did you eat your pizza before you were allowed to drink wine?)

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                      Good question, guess I choked them down dry. I had a friend who called them "pizza bones" and refused to eat them.

                                                                                                                                      It all started with a boyfriend who taught me that trick, back when I was a teenager Sort of addictive.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: coll

                                                                                                                                        Cooking Channel's "You're Eating It Wrong" series has a solution to the crust issue: wrap the slice around it.

                                                                                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35fkF...

                                                                                                                                        1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                          Ha ha ha (No, I personally won't do it.)

                                                                                                                                          1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                            The slices being eaten in that video were certainly not large enough so that they needed to be folded to eat them.

                                                                                                                                            I have been known to eat the pizza 'bones' when a kid does not finish a slice.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                              I agree with Mr Grimaldi: "Well to me, I don't care for it". The host is the one who is "Eating It Wrong" in every scenario! Guess he had time to fill that week? Sort of amusing though.

                                                                                                                                      2. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                        College students don't drink wine???? especially in California where is cheap and readily available? now you have confused me.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                                                                          When I was in college, we almost always drink beer. I may have only drunk wine 1-2 times in my entire time in college.

                                                                                                                                          <California where is cheap >

                                                                                                                                          Cheap is a relative term. When I was in college, we were like all about "Bob. Look. Ramen noodle is on sale. It is $1 for 10 packs" or "Tony. Let's celebrate your birthday tonight at Denny!"

                                                                                                                                          I remember people drinking beer and I remember people drinking hard liquor, but I really don't remember wine.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                            Well I'm certainly not going to argue with you about what you've actually experienced in your own life. I'm just surprised that you never encountered cheap Gallo or Almaden jug wine in college.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                                                                              Don't know if it matters, I went to UC Davis for my undergrad school. I don't remember us ever drank wine. It is either beer (most popular), hard liquor (taking shot, mostly Tequila and vodka) and wine cooler drinks.

                                                                                                                                              So I suppose the closest thing would be the wine cooler drinks. We buy those mostly for the female friends.

                                                                                                                                              Which school did you attend?

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                For what it's worth Chem, I did not see too much wine drinking in the mid 80s at college in Minnesota. We did not seem to drink too much hard liquor either, mostly cheap beer.

                                                                                                                                                Speaking of wine coolers, they seem to have decreased in popularity significantly in recent years.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                  <Speaking of wine coolers, they seem to have decreased in popularity significantly in recent years.>

                                                                                                                                                  I think you are correct. I used see wine coolers in my local Safeway supermarkets all the time when I was in college. Although I don't drink wine coolers, I can tell that they have became less popular because they are occupying a smaller and smaller shelf space.

                                                                                                                                                  Kind of like the opposite situation of Greek yogurt. In my local area (New Jersey), Greek yogurt used to only have 1/5th of the shelf space compared regular yogurt 5 years ago. Now, Greek yogurt occupies a 1:1 ratio against regular yogurt.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                    The malt liquor drinks (Mike's Hard Lemonade and others) have taken the place of the wine coolers.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                      <The malt liquor drinks>

                                                                                                                                                      I have never heard of them. They have completely escaped me. :)

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                        Smirnoff Ice is another malt beverage. It is made with malted barley (no hops) because it is then not taxed as a distilled spirit. Apparently these alocoholic beverages are cheaper to produce than using wine as the base.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                          Zima was malt, but apparently has been discontinued. I tried one once and everything I drank for an hour afterwards tasted like Zima.

                                                                                                                                                2. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                  "Which school did you attend?"

                                                                                                                                                  UC Santa Cruz.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                                                                                    Maybe it is a Northern vs Southern thing, you know. :)

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                      Davis is too far North for wine? I had no idea:)

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                                                                                        It is a cultural thing.

                                                                                                                                                        You Southerners just won't understand. :)

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                                                                                      Perhaps it's a question of era? Don't know when Chemicalkinetics was in college, but the wine coolers reference sounds like the '80s to me. When I was at UCSC in the late '80s, beer and inexpensive vodka and tequila (as shots or mixed wit soda or OJ) were common, wine, cheap or otherwise, much less so.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                                                                        You're probably right. I was there in the late 70's.

                                                                                                                                  2. "But the cheese! And the folding!"

                                                                                                                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ACYF...

                                                                                                                                    If it weren't for this commercial I still wouldn't know how to eat pizza in NYC.

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                      Ah..the Big New Yorker. Invented at a Pizza Hut in West Lafayette, IN, as legend has it.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Wahooty

                                                                                                                                        An 18 inch is standard, and they ALWAYS go over anyway. So that they have to be folded up into the 18" box. That pizza looks so....small. 16 inch is like a bar pie!

                                                                                                                                      2. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                        I steal a like from This is Spinal Tap-
                                                                                                                                        "Why do you keep folding it??"

                                                                                                                                        1. I grew up in Manhattan when pizza, at least outside Little Italy (AFAIK), meant a slice eaten with your hands standing up. I used to go to the one on 86th and Lex before catechism class. Sometimes you just had to fold because it was too floppy or gloppy, but I recall usually trying to get the tip into my mouth first. My family never ordered pizza in, and my mother, who instilled many dainty eating habits in me, was not from New York (or Italian) and never ate it at all. Later, when I was living in Ann Arbor, I used to order from Domino's (not yet national), and of course the slices were pre-cut, as everywhere (I think), and meant to be eaten by hand out of the box. Really, what else are you going to do with a cardboard box?

                                                                                                                                          But I have lived in Italy now for 35 years, where it is considered proper to eat pizza off a dinner plate with a knife and fork, which is what I do until I lose patience and then I pick it up. Also, you pretty much have to start with utensils because it doesn't arrive presliced. Of course many things are considered proper in Italy and ignored, and indeed my Italian husband, who is 6 foot 3 and always starving by the time he reaches the pizzeria, eats it with his hands and then reaches over to eat whatever he finds on my plate, also with his hands.

                                                                                                                                          The mayor, having survived a snowstorm practically his first day in office, was sitting at a table and wearing a yellow necktie. The knife and fork were appropriate. Cut him some slack!

                                                                                                                                          What I really want to know is whether he eats his spaghetti with a spoon, which is how to tell if all this "I'm Italian" business is for real (if he uses a spoon, he's not Italian-Italian). And, of course, if he puts ketchup on his hot dogs, it's grounds for impeachment.

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                                                                                                                                          1. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                                            Oh shoot- I was going to give you a Recommend unti I saw you put in that BS about ketchup on a hot dog. I like it sometimes. That and neon relish. I used to hate mustard, but eventually came to love it, so ketchup on a hot dog was good for me for a long time. I won't use it around you, though . Or WILL I?

                                                                                                                                            1. re: EWSflash

                                                                                                                                              I don't get the mustard vs ketchup thing. I have never liked mustard in any form. I don't like mayo either. Why should I be judged by those food allergies? (I consider them to be allergies because they both make me retch.)

                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                I used to really hate mustard, too, but over the years have grown to like it. I don't care what people put on their hot dog (unless it's lithium batteries).

                                                                                                                                                1. re: EWSflash

                                                                                                                                                  Great, now everyone knows about the lithium batteries.

                                                                                                                                              2. re: EWSflash

                                                                                                                                                Even as a child, I had an instinctive awareness that ketchup and relish on a hot dog, together or separately, were somehow not really New York. I've been a mustard and sauerkraut girl all my life. I associated anything else with the suburbs. I had to put up with a certain amount of nonsense (relish) and exotica (scrapple) at home because my mother and grandmother were from Philadelphia, but my father used to take me sometimes to Coney Island to Nathan's for "specials". This, and other gastronomic expeditions to lower Manhattan and beyond, were evidently self-defense against the Irish-Philadelphia axis that dominated the kitchen at home. I just looked at Nathan's website. You can now order packaged hot dogs to cook at home. And mustard. But I do like ketchup -- on fries and hamburgers.

                                                                                                                                            2. Tony Manero didn't have a problem eating folded pizza in Saturday Night Fever.

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                                                Ahah! Though I think maybe he ate two slices at once rather than folding a single slice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ILUE...

                                                                                                                                                1. re: drongo

                                                                                                                                                  Ok, I would insert smiley face semi-colon somewhere in this post, but I just don't do that. After this preamble, I watched the video three times, and I think I see a slight foldage at the end. The ruling on the field is reversed, touchdown mighty Houston Texans!

                                                                                                                                              2. This is such a sad non-story. Having grown up Italian in Brooklyn's pizza world from the 50s on, you ate how you wanted, as you wanted. Some folded the slice, some did not. You drank coke or beer or wine or whatever. At old fashioned taverns (mostly all gone) that had sit down pizza, you sometimes used cutlery. No one really gave a fig. This "How NY (or Italian) is it?" is just the nervous posturing of wanabees or arrivistes.

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                                                                                                                                                1. re: bob96

                                                                                                                                                  Agree, Bob. I went to grad school in the 70's in NYC and no such rules applied. You scarfed in your own style - and, of course, had to argue with dining companions about the "original Ray's" (whoever won that?)
                                                                                                                                                  CP

                                                                                                                                                2. Growing up in NYC, this is what a typical family owned pizza counter looked like ... Nothing fancy, nothing elaborate. (Credit to: Seriouseats.com).

                                                                                                                                                  In the summertime you were lucky if the pizza owner had air-conditioning or a place to sit down and eat. A visit to the pizza shop went something like this: order a slice and a soda, pay, quickly fold your slice, discard wax paper or paper plate, grab a handful of napkins, grab your drink, and bolt out the door. There was no time (or place) for knife and fork, and most of all, you knew not to hold up the line.

                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                    1. re: drongo

                                                                                                                                                      And here I was hoping he'd criticize this total NON-event for being blown up, distracting from actual news. But no.

                                                                                                                                                      Bummer.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                        Jon Stewart definitely has his opinions when it comes to pizza!

                                                                                                                                                      2. re: drongo

                                                                                                                                                        Ha ... 'Kong hands' ... 'Mixed martial arts' ... LMAO.
                                                                                                                                                        Stewart is one funny MF. Hilarious, bro, hilarious.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: drongo

                                                                                                                                                          Finally watched it. It is kind of funny.

                                                                                                                                                        2. Of course folding is the way to go, what else are you going to do with a floppy crust.

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: rasputina

                                                                                                                                                            I cannot remember exactly when, where or two, but someone recently told me that she finds folding pizza to be disgusting.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                              Don't lie to protect the guilty. You know exactly who said she finds folding pizza disgusting. We don't need a name, give us hair and eye color, and tattoos for a start, and we will comb the streets of Camden...

                                                                                                                                                            2. re: rasputina

                                                                                                                                                              Reminds me, those little drops of olive oil that are nestled among the cheese need to be funneled off too, another great reason to fold.

                                                                                                                                                            3. Is this news blocking traffic on the GWB?

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                                                                                                                                                              1. drongo, thanks for having a sense of humor.

                                                                                                                                                                So few do these days :)

                                                                                                                                                                PS Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him.

                                                                                                                                                                1. I just saw a Burt Wolfe travelogue on TV in which he went to a couple of pizza places in Rome - Italy, that is. Everyone in the restaurants was eating theirs with forks. Could Bill de Blasio be too Italian for New York? Anyway, I've lived in NYC for more than 40 years and never heard of any such "taboo."

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                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: John Francis

                                                                                                                                                                    De Blasio is expected to march in most NYC parades, but if he is asked to be grand marshal of the Columbus Day parade, then quite possibly he's ... 'too Italian for New York'.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. Anyone from Staten Island ever eat pizza at Good Fellows? How is the pizza? Does it need a fork? I had one pizza delivered years ago and it was the last...now do I have to worry about saying that?
                                                                                                                                                                    At that time they seemed to be wanna be gangstas...