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Annief123 Jan 7, 2014 05:48 PM

I can't be the only one that has noticed they ARE NOT THE SAME. They fall apart when I use a fork to split them. The taste is different and they don't toast up with the same crunchy 'nook and cranny' exterior.
I wrote the company and they didn't deny that there was a change, but instead they asked me to call them.
Anyone else notice a difference?

  1. C. Hamster Jan 7, 2014 05:49 PM

    No. They seem the same to me. Last bought them about a month ago.

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      urbnmns Jan 7, 2014 06:01 PM

      I agree. I found them "sawdusty" some time back and stopped buying them, but thought it was just me.

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        khh1138 Feb 6, 2014 04:56 PM

        That's a good word for it. It's been the same for me.

      2. njmarshall55 Jan 7, 2014 06:04 PM

        Pay attention to the ones you're buying...There are a few...whole grain, whole wheat, original, etc. Also, I've always thought the "fork split" meant that they already stabbed the sides with a fork...I always use a knife to actually split them.

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          c oliver Jan 7, 2014 06:06 PM

          That's how I interpret "fork split." We use a bread knife.

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            coll Jan 9, 2014 07:46 AM

            I am told that it will not be optimal unless you split it with a fork. Guess the knife destroys the "nooks and crannies".

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              HillJ Jan 9, 2014 07:49 AM

              We use your fingers to split open the already precut muffin. I thought everyone does that.

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                coll Jan 9, 2014 07:54 AM

                That's actually what I do. I have always been told to NEVER cut it with a knife, or it will be useless and destroyed. This from the Thomas rep. Who knows now though?

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                  HillJ Jan 9, 2014 07:57 AM

                  I believe that's how we were taught at the kitchen table as young children fixing our very first TEM. I know my Mother wouldn't have wasted time handing out knives for us to split them. Precut means, no need for a fork or knife. Just one butter knife once their toasted :)

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                    coll Jan 9, 2014 08:03 AM

                    Ours were never precut, although they were very easy to pull apart.

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                      HillJ Jan 9, 2014 11:49 AM

                      I don't recall if the TEM we had ever came uncut. Hmm.

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                        coll Jan 9, 2014 11:57 AM

                        That's so weird, we'll have to get to the bottom of it. Ours were always solid.

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                  PotatoHouse Jan 9, 2014 03:25 PM

                  Exactly.

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                    coll Jan 9, 2014 06:10 PM

                    Ours were one piece and you pulled them apart by hand. Still are, actually.

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                    hotoynoodle Jan 12, 2014 09:36 AM

                    wait. you use my fingers? i don't recall ever being at your house for breakfast. :0

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                      HillJ Jan 12, 2014 02:26 PM

                      lol..clumsy me. Oh well. At least my mistakes are keeping the rest of you on your toes.

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                      mcf Jan 12, 2014 11:01 AM

                      You use Coll's fingers??? ;-)

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                        coll Jan 12, 2014 11:34 AM

                        It's a small world, after all!

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                          jrvedivici Jan 12, 2014 12:13 PM

                          Or you have extremely long fingers! You can't fool me coll.

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                            coll Jan 12, 2014 12:15 PM

                            My friends have been known to call me by my nickname, Fingers McGee!

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                  Annief123 Jan 7, 2014 06:46 PM

                  I always make sure im not buying the 'healthy ones'.
                  I used to easily separate them with a fork. Now they even crumble when I use a knife.

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                    c oliver Jan 7, 2014 06:47 PM

                    So did you call?

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                      coll Jan 9, 2014 08:04 AM

                      Why would you call? It's a new company and they are not going to argue corporate changes with random phone callers. Either buy it or switch. Talk with your money, as they say. That's the only way to get their attention.

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                        redips Jan 10, 2014 06:49 AM

                        That's not necessarily true. Companies have reasons to change; sometimes its based on economics, sometimes it's an experiment gone bad. They could have been trying a recipe that R&D showed to give "better nooks", but real life application proved otherwise... example, of course, but the point is that if they are offering an ear, and interested in feedback from customers, take advantage of it.

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                          Harts52 Jan 10, 2014 08:21 AM

                          I always contact the company when I'm dissatisfied with the product or have a bad experience....my money, my right to a voice. In nearly 40 years, there are only a few companies that have either ignored me or expressed a lack of concern.

                          A surprising number have been kind of crazy in their appreciation. Heinz - after alerting them to finding tiny pieces of blue plastic in their baby strained peas - sent me so many coupons I didn't have to pay cash for a Heinz product for 20 years and called me to explain their manufacturing procedure and how an automated bag-cutter had been shredding plastic when opening the peas.

                          My family laughs when I take credit for Clairol changing their ads for Herbal Essence Shampoo but I was sick to death of the girl in the shower making erotic noises and expressed my disgust. The commercials stopped shortly thereafter. Coincidence? I think not...LOL.

                          My college marketing professor emphasized that corporate decisions have been changed on one voice. One! Sure, things have changed as companies have become global behemoths, but it takes a short amount of time to find the contact info for a company and shoot and email or place a call. I have always felt kind of obligated.

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                          c oliver Jan 12, 2014 08:09 AM

                          They asked her to call.

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                            coll Jan 12, 2014 09:01 AM

                            I can't find that part in any of the above posts, maybe you can point it out to me? Unless you mean the fact that they provide contact info, but that's not quite the same as actually asking you to call them. As noted below, when you call those 800 numbers all you usually get is a run around.

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                              c oliver Jan 12, 2014 09:12 AM

                              "I wrote the company and they didn't deny that there was a change, but instead they asked me to call them."

                              From the OP.

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                                coll Jan 12, 2014 09:17 AM

                                OK sorry, I didn't go that far back in my research. But I'd still like to know how many phone calls result in happy endings?

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                                  Harts52 Jan 12, 2014 09:22 AM

                                  Most of mine do. Only Verizon, Dell and Comcast have been absolute PITAs.

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                                    coll Jan 12, 2014 09:30 AM

                                    I do get more positive results than negative, myself. But nowhere near 100% so I don't always bother unless I have time to kill. Like anything else I guess!

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                                      c oliver Jan 12, 2014 11:25 AM

                                      I find phone calls, for any reason, VERY effective. I think people have gotten to the point of 'wimping out' and using emails. THAT I think is ineffective. If it matters to me I make a call. If it's not particularly important, then I do nothing. BTW, I accept your apology.

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                                        Tom34 Jan 12, 2014 04:54 PM

                                        Phone may be old school but it is also my preference. I just wish it was easier to navigate the automated machines and get a person.

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                                          Harts52 Jan 12, 2014 05:24 PM

                                          Try tapping * or # four or more times or go to gethuman.com or dialahuman.com

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                                            Tom34 Jan 12, 2014 06:14 PM

                                            I make sure the kids aren't around as sometimes press this and press that results in a temper tantrum on my part that is not pretty nor appropriate for young ears. Dell and their India customer service was the worst.

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                                              zippypinhead Jan 12, 2014 07:48 PM

                                              Tom34,
                                              Next time you get "offshored" and know that you'll never get anything accomplished with phone support, just start spelling things phonetically. Use things like:
                                              That's "A" as in "Are"
                                              "J" as in "Juan"
                                              "H" as in "Hour"
                                              "S" as in "Sea"
                                              "O" as in "Oui"
                                              "Y" as in "You"
                                              See how long it takes for them to hang up on you.

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                                    Jenny Ondioline Jan 12, 2014 03:36 PM

                                    How many phone calls result in happy endings? Well, when I was in a long-distance relationship, about one of them a week.

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                                      hyde Jan 17, 2014 06:36 AM

                                      yikes

                    2. c oliver Jan 7, 2014 06:05 PM

                      What did they say when you called them?

                      We use them, toasted, in place of buns for burgers and also for breakfast. Haven't noticed a change.

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                        Annief123 Jan 7, 2014 06:54 PM

                        I was on hold for too long and I haven't had the time to call back.
                        I loved using them for a burger too. Especially a turkey burger on the cranberry English.
                        I wish I could remember where I read something's about a flour change they've made.

                      2. BubblyOne Jan 7, 2014 08:09 PM

                        No, they aren't the same. Bimbo has been buying up all of the baked goods companies over the last several years and the quality has gone to hell.

                        Look at the list from their site- they own almost all of the major brands. I discovered this when making a patty melt and wondering why the rye bread that was usually great fell apart-

                        http://bimbobakeriesusa.com/

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                          Raffles Jan 8, 2014 08:52 AM

                          Wow, wonder what happened to the monopoly laws.....

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                            BubblyOne Jan 8, 2014 09:56 AM

                            I'm no lawyer, but this list is staggering if anyone bothers to read the link.

                            Bimbo owns practically everything that you would buy in the bread section at a regular grocery store, and even the upscale stores like Gelson's.

                            I stick to local breads now, which are still delivered almost daily where I usually shop.

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                              Clams047 Jan 8, 2014 01:32 PM

                              Interesting list, but I can't say I've bought anything from the list in a good 10-15+ years, although I'm guessing they are also the major supplier to to restaurants / fast food chains.

                              We buy primarily Pepperridge Farm products, complimented by a few locally made items. Haven't had "Wonderbread" type loaf bread in probably 30+ years. It amazes me how the grocers do seem to be stocked 90% by that style loaf bread.

                              I do tend to prefer Thomas's muffins, but my spouse prefers PF. Have only had a few Thomas's in recent years, so I can't comment as to their current quality. She doesn't like the gummy nature of the Thomas's muffins, probably due to the high glycerides content (dough conditioners) they add to maintain "freshness".

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                                BubblyOne Jan 8, 2014 03:42 PM

                                The thing is, many of these items are NOT priced or marketed as "Wonderbread" type products.

                                It is a slow learning curve (at least it was for me) to pick up a package of something you've loved for years and find out it's junk and another Bimbo product.

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                                  jpc8015 Jan 8, 2014 03:46 PM

                                  Just because it is a Bimbo product does not mean that it is junk.

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                                    BubblyOne Jan 8, 2014 03:50 PM

                                    To me, it does. Just like there are certain car companies I would never consider.

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                              gfr1111 Jan 8, 2014 10:15 AM

                              Two things:

                              I'm a former anti-trust attorney ( but with less than one year of experience doing that type of law), but when I practiced it, I learned that, basically, when Democrats are in office, they crank up the denials of acquisitions which will create monopolies. When Republicans are in office, permissions to merge skyrocket.

                              However, once an acquisition has occurred, prosecuting a company for having a monopoly rarely occurs under either Democrats or Republicans. As long as there remain some regional competitors, a claim of monopoly will fail. A monopoly has to be incredibly obvious for a prosecution to occur and Democratic administration has to be in control of at least two branches of the government.

                              The second thing I wanted to point out is that Bimbo is a Mexican corporation, a country where monopolies exist all over the place (Pemex, Mexican telecom, etc.). Think Carlos Slim, the richest man in the world, as you munch on your (reportedly) changed Thomas's English Muffin.

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                                jpc8015 Jan 8, 2014 01:34 PM

                                This is remarkably far from passing the threshold of being a monopoloy.

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                              NE_Wombat Jan 8, 2014 03:23 PM

                              Not that it has anything to do with your rye bread experience, but Bimbo has owned Thomas' English Muffins since 2002.

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                                BubblyOne Jan 8, 2014 03:44 PM

                                Yes, and unless in a pinch I've been buying Bays for at least that long.

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                                  jeanmarieok Jan 10, 2014 07:49 AM

                                  I wish I could get Bay's!

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                                    Harts52 Jan 10, 2014 09:03 AM

                                    Bay's store finder:

                                    http://www.bays.com/buy.html

                                    Your comment pushed me to finding them in my area. Little bit of a road trip for english muffins for me....an hour. Not awful, since that's what I have to drive for my trip to TJs and most other good shopping. I can't see me making a stop just for english muffins though.

                                    They ship by the case and I just might try that...

                                    http://www.bays.com/order.html

                                    Now to decide...should I order the regular, available through Amazon. I'd like to try the multi-grain but according to their website, you have to print the order form and mail in a check...LOL. I've sent an email to Bays to ask if there is a way to order the multi-grain without having to use a printer, envelope and stamp.

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                                      LindaWhit Jan 13, 2014 06:52 AM

                                      Huh. Have never purchased Bays. I'll have to go to Shaw's or Roche Bros. next time I'm near one (or the Super Target) and try them.

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                                        Harts52 Jan 13, 2014 08:09 AM

                                        I'm thinking Costco might carry them too. I bit the bullet on Friday and ordered from Amazon (12 pkgs - yikes!!). Of course, the minute I did, my one grandson informed me his dad bought some recently, and Dad only shops at Costco and a local regional (Giant Eagle). The other grandson informed me he no longer likes EMs. I'm going to have to get out the freezer wrap when these things are delivered. I myself don't usually eat more than one or two EMs a week.

                                        These better be good guys or I will be tracking you down!!! :-)

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                                          LindaWhit Jan 13, 2014 08:22 AM

                                          Hey! Don't blame ME! LOL

                                          I don't have a Costco membership or a store relatively near me, and both Shaw's and Roche Bros. are closer to where I used to live, but I go down there often enough to be able to stop by. Plus there's a Shaw's in my mother's town, so I can make a note to get them there next time I'm up there. :-)

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                                            Harts52 Jan 13, 2014 12:56 PM

                                            I'm accepting all submissions of EM recipes - so far I'm thinking pizza, McMuffins, cheeseburgers....ok, I'm out of ideas. Wonder if they'll make good hot dog buns or taco shells? Or maybe I can use them for the big crouton in French onion soup? 12 pkgs x 6 per pkg...that's a lot of EMs!!

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                                              masha Jan 13, 2014 01:08 PM

                                              Tuna melts!

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                                                HillJ Jan 13, 2014 01:11 PM

                                                Isn't that why EM's exist?!

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                                                  Harts52 Jan 13, 2014 01:21 PM

                                                  Good one!!

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                                                  LindaWhit Jan 13, 2014 04:42 PM

                                                  Eggs Benedict, Egg McMuffin, Breakfast casserole that uses eggs, sausage, cheese, and bread (sub the English muffins).

                                                  And the best one? Crabby Bites! (you *must* use the Olde English cheese spread for this)

                                                  http://southernfood.about.com/od/seaf...

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                                                    Harts52 Jan 13, 2014 05:02 PM

                                                    Oh man, I completely forgot about crabby bites!

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                                                    BubblyOne Jan 13, 2014 05:10 PM

                                                    They make divine French toast too!

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                                                      Harts52 Jan 13, 2014 05:44 PM

                                                      Really?!?! That's a new one for me. With all these suggestions, I'm going to have to up my cardio!

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                                                        breadchick Jan 27, 2014 01:44 PM

                                                        How about grilling them and brushing with olive oil, garlic and a bit of cheese - then cut them up for "croutons"?

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                                            wincountrygirl Jan 12, 2014 03:29 PM

                                            Love Bays. Way better than Thomas'

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                                            Scirocco Jan 12, 2014 05:29 PM

                                            I tried Bays last summer and never went back. Their taste is SOOO much better than Thomas's. There aren't quite the dramatic nooks and cranies as Thomas's, but the vastly better quality texture and taste are worth the switch. Fortunately my local grocery store (Ingles - western NC) carries them. They are in the dairy case if anyone is looking for them. Not in the bakery/bread section.

                                            I've only had the regular. Haven't tried the whole wheat yet.

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                                              grampart Jan 14, 2014 10:17 AM

                                              Another convert to Bays. I just came back with a couple packages ($2.85 each) from our local Publix. Ate 2 for lunch with butter and grape jam. Delicioso!!

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                                                Harts52 Jan 14, 2014 11:07 AM

                                                Thanks for posting the price - makes me feel better about my order at Amazon. I am paying a couple pennies less per package, the downside being I had to order 12 packages at a time.

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                                                  HillJ Jan 14, 2014 01:34 PM

                                                  I paid $2.79 in NJ.

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                                                sandylc Jan 27, 2014 09:46 PM

                                                Trader Joe's "British" Muffins are very good, and have better ingredients than Thomas.

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                                              Caroline1 Jan 8, 2014 03:51 PM

                                              Guess I should have read all the responses before replying. Sorry for the duplicate info.

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                                                LorenzoGA Jan 9, 2014 09:00 AM

                                                Yep, "English" muffins are now Latino muffins.

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                                                  mwhitmore Jan 11, 2014 04:57 AM

                                                  Well, they were never English.

                                              2. BubblyOne Jan 7, 2014 08:42 PM

                                                BTW, I switched to Bays English muffins. They are in the refrigerated area with eggs at my grocery stores in CA and last a couple weeks in the frig.

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                                                  pamiam Jan 7, 2014 10:29 PM

                                                  Bays are, without a doubt, the best English muffins on the market. They're MILES better than Thomas's. Give them a shot if you're disappointed with your current muffins. I grew up on them in Chicago, and was so happy when I found out that the Target near me in NJ carried them.

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                                                    TroyTempest Jan 8, 2014 10:06 AM

                                                    the Bays are already split, which i like. I like the sourdough best

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                                                      Querencia Jan 8, 2014 10:20 AM

                                                      But the Thomas' 100% whole wheat, toasted, make the BEST breakfast sandwich with a whipped-up egg, some shredded cheddar, and anything else you have handy (ham, bacon, sausage, green pepper, a few mushrooms, a thick slice of tomato).

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                                                        FriedClamFanatic Jan 9, 2014 12:23 PM

                                                        +1 on bays....so much better a pre-sliced

                                                        and as for Wolvermans (sp?)....yuck

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                                                          Red Oakley Jan 9, 2014 08:57 PM

                                                          A friend in the Midwest used to send us Wolferman's muffins -- this goes back 15 years, probably. Haven't had them in a long time. What has happened to make them "yuck"?

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                                                            coll Jan 10, 2014 06:54 AM

                                                            I get them every year from my brother, they're not "yuck" just different. Much fatter and denser, not many nooks and crannies.

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                                                      Annief123 Jan 8, 2014 01:11 PM

                                                      I've been buying Bays for years and I really like them. I've also notice more stores are carrying them now.
                                                      I also noticed that they have a message on the front of the package that I've never seen before. It states that they use an 80 year old family recipe. I can't help but wonder if it has anything to do with the change change to the Thomas's product.
                                                      As much as I like the Bays I still enjoyed the Thomas's too and I'll sure miss those crispy nooks and crannies...

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                                                        coll Jan 12, 2014 04:54 PM

                                                        I was just forced to look up Thomas history, they have been around since 1880 from what I see. 134 years? And EZBake ovens since 1963....is this even the same thread? I'm getting confused (it happens).

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                                                        rasputina Jan 12, 2014 08:33 AM

                                                        I've been buying Bays for years, they are so much better than Thomas'

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                                                          Berheenia Jan 17, 2014 03:41 AM

                                                          A little late to the party I was going to start a thread about Bays in December but never would have posted in General Topics as I'm more of a Home Cooking hound. That said we were addicted to Trader Joe's British Muffins but moved to an area with no TJ's so decided to try Bays as they were NOT Thomas's which we don't like at all. Now we are addicted to Bay's! We get them at the Stop and Shop, have not seen them the other big chains out here, Price Chopper and Big Y. They last for a few weeks as they are refrigerated and they make the best egg mcmuffins. I only see the one variety - plain white flour. I still miss my whole wheat TJ's British muffin but it is a totally different beast.

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                                                            Harts52 Jan 17, 2014 06:00 AM

                                                            They have a whole or multi-grain on their website for order. I didn't go through them because you have to actually snail mail them a check, but I just had a case delivered from Amazon. It was my first Bays experience and YUM!!

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                                                              BubblyOne Jan 17, 2014 07:12 AM

                                                              So happy you liked them!

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                                                              LindaWhit Jan 17, 2014 06:49 AM

                                                              Ahh, there is a S&S closer to my workplace, so maybe I'll check there first.

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                                                                Berheenia Jan 17, 2014 07:18 AM

                                                                They are in the refrigerated section (you may know this already -:D)

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                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 17, 2014 07:41 AM

                                                                  I thought I had remembered reading that, so I did expand the thread to confirm that, Berheenia. :-)

                                                          2. ipsedixit Jan 7, 2014 08:50 PM

                                                            I have no idea if they've changed but I still like them.

                                                            I find that nowadays I really like my Thomas English Muffins with sweet relish and Chinese pork floss.

                                                            All those nooks and crannies really work well to cradle and caress the beautiful union of diced pickles, sugar water and deep-fried pork meat.

                                                            Yum.

                                                            (P.S. Goes great with a single malt scotch)

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                                                              Alan408 Jan 8, 2014 08:35 AM

                                                              I noticed a change 2-4 years ago

                                                              They don't split, they tear . Taste is different and they seem to burn more often than before (10 years ago)

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                                                                greygarious Jan 9, 2014 11:21 AM

                                                                I like the multi-grain Thomas EMs but I always give them a go-round with a fork. The fork-splits they come with yield a thin "half" with a missing center, and a mound on the other, thicker, half.

                                                              2. C. Hamster Jan 8, 2014 08:46 AM

                                                                Ill have to pay more attention. I almost always eat mine from the freezer ... maybe that's why they seem the same to me.

                                                                1. jrvedivici Jan 8, 2014 10:00 AM

                                                                  I haven't noticed them falling a part, I have no problem splitting them with my fingers and them maintaining their shape.

                                                                  I will say I'm often frustrated with the lack of "crispiness" when I toast them, however I thought it was my toaster not them. Over the holidays I bought a pack of the raisin english muffins and was very pleased with them, outside the toasting issue.

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                                                                    Jessiet Jan 12, 2014 07:59 AM

                                                                    Toasters are no longer permitted to use enough electricity to properly toast anything--government regulations. If you want real toasted anything, seek out a very old toaster. They work great. Brown and crispy exterior, lovely moist interior. I paid over $100 for my last toaster (Magimix) and it doesn't toast worth a darn. Now I use a 1950's toaster and I couldn't be happier. (don't tell the feds, please)!

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                                                                      grampart Jan 12, 2014 08:06 AM

                                                                      Can you provide a link to back up this statement?

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                                                                        Harts52 Jan 12, 2014 08:08 AM

                                                                        Seriously? Toaster manufacturers have been forced to produce an appliance that will not perform as intended? I'm not asking this in an argumentative way...I'm really stunned. I'm already flummoxed by the amount of research I need to do to make a stupid lightbulb purchase in this country! I'm all for reducing energy use but that sounds ridiculous.

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                                                                          Jessiet Jan 12, 2014 08:44 AM

                                                                          Apparently, we don't have many manufacturers here on Chowhound! Yes, the federal government regulates the manufacture of nearly everything (there may be a few exceptions, but I doubt it). It certainly regulates how anything is made that uses energy (washers, dryers and other large appliances, and small appliances, too).

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                                                                            Harts52 Jan 12, 2014 09:13 AM

                                                                            Regulation of manufacturing is one thing. What you have presented is that there are regulations on the manufacturing of toasters such that a toaster can no longer perform as expected.

                                                                            Was that just one of those off-the-cuff statements, all form no substance? I probably shouldn't be so intensely interested except for the fact that I'm in the market for a toaster, I subscribe to Consumer Reports and I have yet to see anything that supports what you say is true.

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                                                                              Jessiet Jan 12, 2014 10:38 AM

                                                                              Let me know if you find a toaster that works!

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                                                                                Harts52 Jan 12, 2014 10:59 AM

                                                                                Just to clarify....did you just put that out there about toasters not working because of energy regs because that was your hypothesis to explain why you prefer a 50 year old toaster to the $100 purchase? Btw, what brand/model was it that you were unhappy with?

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                                                                                  Jessiet Jan 12, 2014 11:18 AM

                                                                                  I have had many newer toasters, ever seeking one that works, but without success. Have you ever had an older toaster? If not, maybe you will be happy with one of the newer ones. And no, this is not just a hypothesis. The government regulates everything that uses energy. Do some digging, and you will find it is true. Are you aware the government knows everything about your electricity usage? Ask your electric supplier about the new little meter they installed over the last several years. It knows how much electricity you use and when you use it. If you don't believe me, do some checking on your own.

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                                                                                    mcf Jan 12, 2014 11:28 AM

                                                                                    You don't think maybe it has everything to do with the fact that toasters are a major cause of spontaneous fires in the home according to insurers?

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                                                                                      coll Jan 12, 2014 11:35 AM

                                                                                      I know someone that had that happen, very scary.

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                                                                                        mcf Jan 12, 2014 11:47 AM

                                                                                        Our toaster oven gets unplugged the moment we stop using it.

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                                                                                        Tom34 Jan 12, 2014 05:16 PM

                                                                                        I would agree that it is a safety issue rather than an environmental problem. Proportionally, high watts for a short time = low watts for a long time.

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                                                                                    bagelman01 Jan 12, 2014 01:37 PM

                                                                                    Me TOO!!!

                                                                                    My wife has tried and returned or trashed more than a dozen toasters in the past 5 years. They either take 10 minutes to toast to well-done, or never toast sufficiently.

                                                                                    I solved the problem by having a 220V line run to the countertop where we keep the toaster and buying a commercial restaurant model (such as used in a diner). This was a very expensive solution, but it keeps my wife happy.

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                                                                                      Jessiet Jan 12, 2014 01:48 PM

                                                                                      Well, thank you very much for the support! We have a lot of naysayers here. I guess they don't observe much! I may have to do the same (get a 220 line put in). I suspect many people have never had good toast. Being the perfectionist that I am, it's irritating. I've recently taken to toasting my bread on an old fashioned wire contraption made to toast bread over an open flame. I use my wood stove, and it works great!

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                                                                                        grampart Jan 12, 2014 02:07 PM

                                                                                        For the record, I wasn't being a "naysayer". I merely asked you to provide a link to some place that would back up your statement. I've yet to see it.

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                                                                                          caganer Jan 13, 2014 09:55 AM

                                                                                          I don't think such evidence exists - bored a work so I just checked some vintage toasters on ebay. Most are rated 800-1000 watts. Then I checked for new toasters and it's the same story, 800-1000 watts, saw one that was 1200 and lots of toaster ovens rated at 1800 watts.

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                                                                                          Harts52 Jan 12, 2014 02:11 PM

                                                                                          You have SO missed the point. No one is naysaying the failure of toasters to toast evenly. The naysaying is in response to your opening statement that "Toasters are no longer permitted to use enough electricity..."

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                                                                                            Jessiet Jan 12, 2014 02:28 PM

                                                                                            Perhaps you should read Caroline1's remark.

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                                                                                              NE_Wombat Jan 12, 2014 03:23 PM

                                                                                              "Perhaps you should read Caroline1's remark."

                                                                                              Perhaps Caroline can provide you with the link to documentation you've been asked for.

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                                                                                                Caroline1 Jan 12, 2014 03:50 PM

                                                                                                Pay attention, Wombat! Csfroline1 explained the problem, and if YOU need verification, go into your kitchen and read the labels on ANY countertop appliance you own. It will show a "UL Listed" insignia on the unremovable labeling of the appliance. THAT label means that THAT appliance meets all electrical code standards. I repeat my mantra: Educate yourself! Google is your friend!

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                                                                                            bagelman01 Jan 12, 2014 02:21 PM

                                                                                            You are most welcome.....
                                                                                            in our case running the 220V line made lots of sense. (as the kitchen is directly above the basement 400 amp service it wasn't hard to do. I have a sensitivity to white wheat flours which causes me to sneeze when eating most bread. If the bread is well toasted I don't sneeze, and I love crunch! I prefer almost all my breads well toasted.

                                                                                            I know the stove top toasting contraption you speak about very well. We have one in a rural cabin that has no electricity. Works fine, as long as you're careful to use tongs not fingers to turn and remove the toast.

                                                                                            In one of the final episodes of season 3 Downton Abbey, Mr. Carson (the butler) walks into the sitting room/office of Mrs. Hughes (the Head housekeeper) and she is experimenting with a new electric toaster. Much smoke has been emitted and Carson arrives with a fire bucket and is joined soon by another male staffer with a fire bucket. Mrs. Hughes explains she just wanted to be able to make a bit of toast with tea at her convenience. Mr. Carson says, he'll stick to the old ways.

                                                                                             
                                                                                             
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                                                                                              Jessiet Jan 12, 2014 02:35 PM

                                                                                              Yes, I saw that episode! Have to agree with Carson.

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                                                                                            Caroline1 Jan 12, 2014 03:40 PM

                                                                                            My hero! '-)

                                                                                        3. re: Harts52
                                                                                          Caroline1 Jan 12, 2014 11:56 AM

                                                                                          YES! There are national, state, and local electrical codes that dictate the power that home counter top appliances can draw. And the appliance will indicate on its label that it is in compliance with such-and-such code. What it boils down to is that no heat producing wall-outlet appliances can draw more than 1800 watts, or at least I think that's the max. For example, that is why any induction counter-top single burner hotplate will only equate with a "7 inch hob" on a 220V built-in induction cook top.

                                                                                          On ALL heat producing electric countertop appliances there is a correlation with the amount of current that toaster or waffle iron or French fryer can safely draw from the electrical outlets in your home without setting the house on fire. As a result, there are some counter top kitchen appliances that DO require a 220v outlet.

                                                                                          Hope this helps!

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                                                                                            Tom34 Jan 12, 2014 05:44 PM

                                                                                            Your right on the amp limits of counter top appliances, but
                                                                                            1800 watts = over 6000 BTU's. That is more than enough to do a nice job toasting "IF" you have a high quality heating element. Unfortunately, the money in many modern counter top appliances goes into fancy appearances because that's what sells, not whats inside.

                                                                                            Waring makes 1800 watt / 120 volt commercial toasters that run off a standard 120 v / 20 amp circuit that will toast just as well as a 220 volt toaster, just not as many slices at a time. They also cost in the area of $300.00, the majority of which is on the inside of the toaster, not on the outside. Unlike consumer toasters, they are also engineered to be repaired, not thrown away.

                                                                                            The consumer toasters of years ago used no more watts than the modern ones today, knob & tube wiring would not have supported it. It was the number of and quality of the coils that made the difference.

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                                                                                              Jessiet Jan 12, 2014 06:11 PM

                                                                                              Helpful info. Thank you. I'll be checking out those Warings!

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                                                                                                Tom34 Jan 12, 2014 06:25 PM

                                                                                                Check out sites like webrestaurantstore. For the average person, Walmart meets the needs at a very good price. Many folks on this site though are serious cooks & IMHO put far more effort into cooking and are far better served buying quality, even if it means waiting a little longer to save a little more $$ to buy it.

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                                                                                            khh1138 Feb 6, 2014 05:03 PM

                                                                                            There were regulations that made slow cookers into fast cookers! I still can't get over that one.

                                                                                          3. re: Jessiet
                                                                                            NE_Wombat Jan 12, 2014 09:57 AM

                                                                                            You forgot to supply the link that backs up your statement:

                                                                                            "Toasters are no longer permitted to use enough electricity to properly toast anything--government regulations."

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                                                                                              coll Jan 12, 2014 10:43 AM

                                                                                              Sorta like the new light bulbs?

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                                                                                                Jessiet Jan 12, 2014 11:00 AM

                                                                                                Very much the same!

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                                                                                                  NE_Wombat Jan 12, 2014 12:54 PM

                                                                                                  "Sorta like the new light bulbs?" - coll

                                                                                                  Unless you're talking about an Easy-Bake-Oven, light bulb efficiency has nothing to do with "using enough electricity to properly toast anything".

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                                                                                                    coll Jan 12, 2014 12:56 PM

                                                                                                    I'm talking about the new weird curlyque lightbulbs as opposed to the old round ones. Supposed to save mega energy not that you have any choice.

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                                                                                                      mcf Jan 12, 2014 01:01 PM

                                                                                                      CFLs suck; they burn out so fast and the light is lousy. I love the very spendy LED bulbs. They'd better last a lifetime for the cost. Very clean, bright light, and dimmable!

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                                                                                                        coll Jan 12, 2014 01:07 PM

                                                                                                        I am so out of the loop now, thanks!

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                                                                                                        NE_Wombat Jan 12, 2014 01:07 PM

                                                                                                        "I'm talking about the new weird curlyque lightbulbs as opposed to the old round ones. "

                                                                                                        I know what you're talking about. Explain what they have to do with toasting food - beyond trying to use them in an Easy-Bake-Oven.

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                                                                                                          Caroline1 Jan 12, 2014 01:28 PM

                                                                                                          LOL!!! That *IS* funny! It means that Easy Bake Ovens are about to go on collector's shelves along with 8 track cassette players and 45rpm vinyl! Whoda thunk it?

                                                                                                          Just in case anybody here gave a child an Easy Bake for Christmas, it's not too late to send along a case of 100w incandescent bulbs. Mom and Dad will LOVE you for it..! '-)

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                                                                                                            Jenny Ondioline Jan 12, 2014 03:41 PM

                                                                                                            Odd, here I am with a newly-purchased stack of new 45s and LPs (vinyl sales are increasing by double-digit percentages every year) on my desk and a Dualit toaster downstairs that would turn any slice of bread (or one of those pissant Thomas English Muffins, just to nod at the nominal subject of this thread) into a piece of charcoal if I wanted it to. Guess some people just don't know where to shop for what they want.

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                                                                                                              bagelman01 Jan 12, 2014 04:29 PM

                                                                                                              Some people don't think they should have to buy a UK made for commercial service quality toaster in order to toast bread or an Englkish muffin.
                                                                                                              While you have the interest and/or wherewithal to do so, and I installed 220V outlets and bought a commercial unit, we are the exception. Most people on this board would probably not spend more than $69.95 on a toaster (not toaster oven) for that morning muffin. Unfortunately, Americans see toasters from $9.99 up in the stores and expect them to produce decent toast.

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                                                                                                                Harts52 Jan 12, 2014 05:16 PM

                                                                                                                Why would you assume that people on this board wouldn't pay 70 bucks for a toaster? Just curious. If asked in a random poll if I thought foodies were more or less prone to paying an average price for an appliance, I would say yes.

                                                                                                                And what world do you live in where there are toasters for $9.99? Again, just curious. Last toaster I saw for $9.99 was in 1978.

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                                                                                                                  Tom34 Jan 12, 2014 05:58 PM

                                                                                                                  $9.99 ......Or at a yard sale. :-)

                                                                                                                  I just posted on here somewhere that what matters is on the inside of the toaster, not the pretty outside.

                                                                                                                  Waring is just one of many brands that make an 1800 watt / 120 volt commercial toaster that provides the same performance as a 220 volt model, just fewer slots. Its also around $300.00. Probably do everything a serious cook would want , including fitting fatter items and last forever but it ain't $29.95 at the local Walmart.

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                                                                                                                    Jessiet Jan 12, 2014 07:28 PM

                                                                                                                    What is disappointing to me is that I paid $100 for my toaster, on sale from $200, and it's still pathetic. I wonder about the Dualit--does anyone know how they truly compare to other brands? Since your post on the Waring, I've been looking at the commercial Warings, and am tempted, but want to be sure they work better than mine. Any toaster can darken bread, but properly toasted bread is crispy on the exterior, but retains is moist center. That is what the modern toaster seems to have lost.

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                                                                                                                      Annief123 Jan 13, 2014 05:51 AM

                                                                                                                      That's exactly how the Breville Smart Oven toasts.
                                                                                                                      It will do a bagel with a very crip exterior and a soft center. It's expensive but besides toasting bread perfectly, its a great 2nd oven with lots of handy features.

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                                                                                                                        Tom34 Jan 13, 2014 07:13 AM

                                                                                                                        I am not an engineer nor a toaster Guru by any means but it seems to me in order to get a crispy outside and maintain a moist inside a lot of heat is needed very quickly. I would think that the design of the heating elements and the alloy they are made from could play a significant factor in that area.

                                                                                                                        Probably worth a call to Waring's tech department for details on the products performance. Long time restaurant supply stores that sell small appliances may also have some info. Some also sell used. Those that repair them would be even better.

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                                                                                                                          Jessiet Jan 13, 2014 07:36 AM

                                                                                                                          You are right about needing to get the job done more quickly. Any toaster will toast given enough time, but will render the bread annoyingly dry. Thanks for the recommendation.

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                                                                                                                      bagelman01 Jan 13, 2014 04:25 AM

                                                                                                                      I live in Connecticut

                                                                                                                      Christmas time Kmart and Walmart ran Hamilton Beach and Rival toasters along with other small electrics in a $9.99 promotion. Everyday price $14-15.99

                                                                                                                      Walgreens had unnamed toasters and small electrics on sale at $7....no UL on the box, I wouldn't buy them

                                                                                                                      and at Kohl's the 39.99 Black and Decker Toasteroven was availabe on a weekend special that netted out to $14.99

                                                                                                                      (I bought 6 Rival toasters and 6 toaster ovens as back uo for some furnished student housing I rent out).

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                                                                                                                      Jenny Ondioline Jan 12, 2014 09:11 PM

                                                                                                                      "Unfortunately, Americans see toasters from $9.99 up in the stores and expect them to produce decent toast."

                                                                                                                      Well, that's their problem.

                                                                                                                      Incidentally, my Dualit toaster came from the seconds counter at the Williams-Sonoma outlet in Wrentham, MA and cost $49.95.

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                                                                                                                        Clams047 Jan 13, 2014 06:07 AM

                                                                                                                        Recall a few years back when I stopped into a small place for breakfast and overheard the owner talking with a customer.

                                                                                                                        His commercial toaster broke down and he attempted to use a traditional toaster to fill in until he could get another commercial toaster.

                                                                                                                        Each lasted about an hour before burning out. OK for two or perhaps four slices, but couldn't handle a continuous demand.

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                                                                                                                      Jerseygirl111 Jan 12, 2014 05:25 PM

                                                                                                                      I am coveting your Dualit!

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                                                                                                                    coll Jan 12, 2014 02:11 PM

                                                                                                                    I thought we were talking about energy ratings in general. Not just toys.

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                                                                                                                      Harts52 Jan 12, 2014 02:18 PM

                                                                                                                      Annief123 is shaking her head thinking we were talking about English muffins...LOL

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                                                                                                                        Annief123 Jan 12, 2014 04:35 PM

                                                                                                                        Your right, I am!! Too funny...
                                                                                                                        Just to set the record straight, Thomas's EM were lousy even before I put them in my Easy Bake Oven.

                                                                                                                      2. re: coll
                                                                                                                        NE_Wombat Jan 12, 2014 03:25 PM

                                                                                                                        "I thought we were talking about energy ratings in general. Not just toys."

                                                                                                                        Odd, I thought we were talking about a claim made about toasters. I assumed that your point about light-bulbs was related to the topic under discussion.

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                                                                                                                    The Chowhound Team Jan 13, 2014 08:29 AM

                                                                                                                    Folks, this discussion of toasters is getting bizarrely testy and personal. It's probably about time to let the subject drop. Thanks.

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                                                                                                                      51rich Jan 13, 2014 10:18 AM

                                                                                                                      but don't you want the answer to that age old question- how much toast could a toaster toast if a toaster could toast toast?

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                                                                                                                        Alfred G Jan 14, 2014 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                        I guess everyone forgot that this was a discussion about English muffins not toasters.

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                                                                                                                          Tom34 Jan 14, 2014 04:21 PM

                                                                                                                          I think the fact that the quality of the toasting can have a significant impact on the quality of the final product moved the discussion in that direction.

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                                                                                                          Isolda Jan 8, 2014 01:36 PM

                                                                                                          They briefly had an organic, all natural version that I just loved, but I can't find it anymore. I haven't bought the regular ones in years because they taste like the bag. Bad bread is one of my peeves.

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                                                                                                            jpc8015 Jan 8, 2014 01:37 PM

                                                                                                            I doubt that every Thomas's English Muffin is baked in the same facility. They probably have a number of bakeries around the country. I wonder if it is a regional problem because one bakery is doing something different.

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                                                                                                              Annief123 Jan 8, 2014 01:52 PM

                                                                                                              Hmm, interesting thought.
                                                                                                              That could explain why some people don't notice a difference in the quality.

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                                                                                                                Jerseygirl111 Jan 8, 2014 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                It's always in the water.

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                                                                                                                  jpc8015 Jan 8, 2014 03:39 PM

                                                                                                                  I am not sure if you are kidding but you may be right.

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                                                                                                                    Jerseygirl111 Jan 8, 2014 09:34 PM

                                                                                                                    Totally serious. Isn't that why bagels suck in Florida?

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                                                                                                                    Raffles Jan 9, 2014 07:11 AM

                                                                                                                    Totally serious,,,isn't that why pizza sucks outside of NYC?

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                                                                                                                      MacTAC Jan 12, 2014 05:47 AM

                                                                                                                      Water IS key, but many would say New Haven pizza does NOT suck.

                                                                                                                2. mucho gordo Jan 8, 2014 02:01 PM

                                                                                                                  No, you're not the only one. They are nowhere near as good as they once were. I also miss the sandwich size muffin that they made for a while, then stopped.

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                                                                                                                    bagelman01 Jan 8, 2014 05:39 PM

                                                                                                                    Mucho...you have to return home to Connecticut. The sandwich size Thomas's English Muffin is still readily available.

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                                                                                                                      mucho gordo Jan 9, 2014 10:26 AM

                                                                                                                      I'd love to return just for the food and scenery, BM, but with my COPD, I couldn't survive in that climate anymore.

                                                                                                                  2. Caroline1 Jan 8, 2014 03:49 PM

                                                                                                                    Here's why:
                                                                                                                    http://bimbobakeriesusa.com/our_brands/

                                                                                                                    It's also why Oroweat bread now sucks! Look down their list of "our brands" and you'll see what familiar brands are about to hit the dust because of Bimbo's "acquire and reformulate" policies.

                                                                                                                    As for Thomas' English Muffins, I am still finding the real thing when I buy the larger "commercial packages" of Thomas' that have 9 muffins per pack and are larger in diameter than the norm. AT THIS POINT, that size packaing that I buy at Sam's Club are still original. I don't know how long they'll stay that way because I don't know if Bimbo has continued with the commercial sized packaging.

                                                                                                                    Good luck! We need to write a thank-you letter to Congress, because this ALL has to do with "globalization." The "Bimbos," in ALL senses of the word, are taking over the world. I don't mind that (well, actually I do mind), but do they have to do it to our food supply???????? :-(

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                                                                                                                    1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                                      NE_Wombat Jan 8, 2014 05:15 PM

                                                                                                                      Just keep in mind that Bimbo's owned Thomas' since 2002. While they may be responsible for a reformulation, at this point it isn't really part of an acquisition process.

                                                                                                                      As to the "globalization" issue, Bimbo purchased Thomas' and Oroweat in 2002 from George Weston Ltd., a Canadian company.

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                                                                                                                        Caroline1 Jan 9, 2014 07:06 AM

                                                                                                                        No company is bought and changed overnight. Ask any corporate raider. BUT so far, with Bimbo's track record, the quality of every quality product they acquire diminishes in time not too distant from the acquisition date. The old company maintained quality and raised prices, the Bimbo corporate policy appears to be "if we keep prices down by slacking on quality, customers will stay loyal." Doesn't work for me! At least that is my observation based on personal experience.

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                                                                                                                          jpc8015 Jan 9, 2014 08:10 AM

                                                                                                                          Often times when these larger companies take control of a smaller brand like Thomas' it is because the smaller brand is no longer profitable and has approached the larger brand to buy them out. The larger brand then hires a bunch of the smaller brands managers to be employees who manage the new business segment. The larger company then has to make some changes in order to make the brand profitable and keep the original people employed. Often times these changes can have a negative impact on quality.

                                                                                                                          I don't know that this is the case here but it very well may be.

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                                                                                                                            NE_Wombat Jan 9, 2014 01:13 PM

                                                                                                                            The acquisition was a dozen years ago. Exactly how long are you willing to think any changes are part of an acquisition strategy?

                                                                                                                            And, tell us more about how "globalization" is involved in this transaction.

                                                                                                                            BTW - many, many companies are "bought and changed overnight". In fact, rapid change is very frequently the motivation for acquiring a company - and the faster the better. It's rarely profitable to have a plan that says: "I see a company that we can make more profitable with the following changes....", and then decide to wait a dozen years to implement those changes.

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                                                                                                                              Caroline1 Jan 9, 2014 10:12 PM

                                                                                                                              Dear Mr. Wombat... It would be *NICE* if you would first get YOUR facts straight before telling me how full of cagatha I am! Bimbo acquired Thomas' English Muffins in early 2009. NOT "a dozen years ago. I take responsibility for educating myself. I wish you would too.

                                                                                                                              ONE of the things Bimbo is "currently" doing with it's U.S. acquisitions "across the board" is updating and replacing many of the traditional places where the breads were baked with "new" "modern" bakeries. Here is a quote from Bimbo's CEO:

                                                                                                                              "The industry in the U.S. has been an old industry that has been quite fragmented. So many of the plants that we have found have been in existence for 80, 90, 50 years, so that's the baking industry in the US.," he said. "Now that we have scale in each city and town, we can have the opportunity to leverage that scale with new, more efficient lines. That will allow the consumer to have a product that is more consistent and also fresher than the one that we had before when we had fewer bakeries of smaller size."

                                                                                                                              Here's the URL:

                                                                                                                              http://www.cnbc.com/id/100798699

                                                                                                                              Ya think these "changes" might be the REASON we are seeing soft and mushy Oroweat Oatnut Bread? Ya think it might be why Thomas' English Muffins are no longer "Thomas' English Muffins?" THINK ABOUT IT!

                                                                                                                              "Knowledge is power." Arm yourself! Google is your friend!!!

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                                                                                                                                NE_Wombat Jan 10, 2014 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                Caroline -

                                                                                                                                No. You are simply wrong about when Bimbo acquired Thomas'.

                                                                                                                                "In 2002, BBU acquired the Western U.S. baking business of George Weston Ltd., adding such iconic premium brands as Oroweat bread and buns, Entenmann’s sweet baked goods, Thomas’ English muffins and bagels and Boboli pizza breads. "
                                                                                                                                http://bimbobakeriesusa.com/about_us/our_history.html

                                                                                                                                Bimbo acquired THE REST of George Weston Ltd. in 2009.
                                                                                                                                "In 2009, Grupo Bimbo purchased the remaining U.S. fresh baked goods business of George Weston Ltd., adding brands such as Arnold, Brownberry, Freihofer’s and Stroehmann and making BBU the largest baking company in the U.S."
                                                                                                                                http://bimbobakeriesusa.com/about_us/...

                                                                                                                                Feel free to admit your error and apologize - or at least rethink your snarky attitude in light of being totally wrong.

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                                                                                                                                  jpc8015 Jan 10, 2014 02:03 PM

                                                                                                                                  Served.

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                                                                                                                                    Jenny Ondioline Jan 10, 2014 02:32 PM

                                                                                                                                    Or, if you prefer, pwned.

                                                                                                                                    I will say that Bimbo basically ruined many Mrs. Bairds products when they bought that bakery. However, Freihofers remains my supermarket bread of choice and is as good as it's ever been.

                                                                                                                                    Thomas English muffins have always been crap, so I'm not sure how Bimbo is supposed to have made them worse. What, they taste even more of nothing?

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                                                                                                                                      Annief123 Jan 10, 2014 03:14 PM

                                                                                                                                      Yup

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                                                                                                                                        jpc8015 Jan 10, 2014 03:27 PM

                                                                                                                                        The idea that everything that is made by large companies is crap belongs in the utter non-sense pile. Coca-Cola is pretty huge and it is the beverage of choice for billions of people world wide.

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                                                                                                                                          Tom34 Jan 10, 2014 04:45 PM

                                                                                                                                          Definitely a case by case basis. When Tastykake was bought out many of their products went down hill. I am sure the reverse is also true.

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                                                                                                                                            FriedClamFanatic Jan 10, 2014 04:45 PM

                                                                                                                                            and coca-cola can deliver a sanitized drink to almost every hamlet and village in the world....How many Countries wish they could do that with water?

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                                                                                                                                              BubblyOne Jan 10, 2014 05:38 PM

                                                                                                                                              I agree, but just because a company is well-run and profitable doesn't mean they turn out decent products either.

                                                                                                                                              Billions eat at McDonalds as well and they certainly aren't serving the best hamburger or even best fast food hamburger.

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                                                                                                                                                jpc8015 Jan 11, 2014 07:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                I agree with you. But I see people here saying that they would stop buying a certain product simply because it is now a Bimbo product and is therefore now crap. That math just doesn't add up.

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                                                                                                                                                  BubblyOne Jan 11, 2014 06:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Besides switching muffins because I found Bays to be superior (and this was before I had even heard of Bimbo) to Thomas, one of my earlier posts was about the poor quality of the Orowheat rye bread- which was when I did a little research and found out they were now owned by Bimbo.

                                                                                                                                                  Strike 3 was the Francisco rolls which I have used for meatball sandwiches forever and they suddenly started falling apart-looked at the package, again Bimbo.

                                                                                                                                                  So yes, I don't care for at least 3 of their products because they are no longer good. Especially, when for the same price I can replace them with something I like more, and in the last 2 cases, local bakeries that supply my grocery store.

                                                                                                                                                  I think many people just get used to inferior quality, because sometimes it is a gradual decline. In any case, no more Bimbo for me:)

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                                                                                                                                                Clams047 Jan 11, 2014 07:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                Coke (their cola) is definitely an exception, not the rule. Except for their cola, essentially all their other flavors are inferior to other brands.

                                                                                                                                                As for large companies, Kraft, Hershey, Nestle, Anheuser Bush, Hormel. Cambells (etc) are all large food processors that produce are commonly purchased products, but their quality (for the most part) tends to be inferior to similar products by much smaller companies.

                                                                                                                                                Bottom line, large companies may produce great average quality products for the masses, but as a rule, they rarely produce higher quality items.

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                                                                                                                                                coll Jan 10, 2014 04:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                When did you start eating Thomas English Muffins, that they have always been "crap" to you?

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                                                                                                                                                  Tom34 Jan 10, 2014 04:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Yeah I don't get that......Not my favorite but good once and a while and a convenient top & bottom for a breakfast sandwich.

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                                                                                                                                                    Jenny Ondioline Jan 10, 2014 10:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Mid to late '70s. Bays have always been better than Thomas.

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                                                                                                                                                    mcf Jan 12, 2014 11:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                    I'm not sure how old you are but I'm old enough to remember when Thomas's set the standard and were great. I haven't eaten them in many years, like 15, though. I probably started eating them late 1950s.

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                                                                                                                                                      coll Jan 12, 2014 11:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Yeah it's more of a childhood memory, the mid to late 70s were probably too late to really get a taste of perfection.

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                                                                                                                                                        mcf Jan 12, 2014 11:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                        They were still a lot better then than in the more recent years that I recall. Great moisture, just the right crunch and a sort of sourdough taste.

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                                                                                                                                                          Jenny Ondioline Jan 12, 2014 03:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                          I'm sure plenty of foods were better decades before I was born. Plenty of others are better now than they were when I was a kid. All I know is that somewhere between 35 and 40 years' experience with the product has led me to the conclusion that Thomas English Muffins have always been inferior to other brands, so the fact that they're even MORE inferior now matters little to me.

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                                                                                                                                                    Caroline1 Jan 10, 2014 07:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Snarky I may be, but I am damned ticked that two of my favorite bread products (Oroweat OatNut and Thomas' English Muffins) have changed radically in the very recent past, and they had not changed for the decades and decades and decades prior to Bimbo entering the picture. If I'm wrong about Bimbo's acquisition year for Thomas', then I blame the CEO of Bimbo. I assumed the man knew what he was talking about.

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                                                                                                                                                      jpc8015 Jan 11, 2014 07:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                      I would bet that if Bimbo were not in the picture, then Thomas' would either have been bought by some other giant company or would have disappeared all together.

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                                                                                                                                                        NE_Wombat Jan 11, 2014 08:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Well, at least you understand that you're snarky.

                                                                                                                                                        I've reread the CNBC article you linked, and rewatched the interview with CEO Daniel Servitje - and can't locate where he or the article note the year Bimbo acquired Thomas'. You seem to be quite clear that he says it was in 2009 (even going so far as to blame him again in your latest response). It certainly must be there - can you point it out for me? "2009" appears nowhere in the text on the page - so it must be in the video. Can you give me the timestamp of his saying that?

                                                                                                                                                        Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                          Caroline1 Jan 11, 2014 10:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                          Ooops! You're right. According to the bimbo website, they did acquire Thomas' in 2002. I've gone over the reference I give above of Servitje's interview and I THOUGHT a remark he made in that interview led me to the extrapolation that the Thomas'/Oroweat acquisition was in 2012. If I did indeed read that somewhere, it certainly is not in the CNBC interview. Sorry 'bout that. IF I ever run across it again, I will post it here. Meantime, don't anyone hold your breath. But whoever and whatever is changing the formulas/recipes of long cherished breads is irritating the hell out of me! Oroweat Oatnut bread now has the same texture as Wonder Bread. I HATE that...!

                                                                                                                                                          Meanwhile, If Dr. Who was any sort of a gentleman, he would loan me his magic phone booth and I would gladly flee back to a time not so very long ago when the ONLY hormones found in beef, chicken, turkey, or fish were those their own bodies produced, and no animal's food contained supplemental antibiotics, and ALL bread and baked goods, bakery produced or home baked, went stale in four days!

                                                                                                                                                          I took an archaeology class last year and one of the instructors is a working field archaeologist in Egypt. It is STANDARD to fill back some excavation sites for future generations, but to leave an artifact of your own time so future archaeologist will know you've been there before them, no matter how many centuries have passed. As an artifact of the 21st century, she left Hostess Twinkies! This is NOT urban legend! It's absolutely for real. She says that in that climate in that part of Egypt, the Twinkies should be good for centuries!

                                                                                                                                                          As for me being snarky, age hath it's privileges! Want lessons???? '-)

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                                                                                                                                                            coll Jan 12, 2014 05:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Thanks for reminding me, I have a loaf of Arnold whole wheat bread in the fridge (I'm guessing the same as your Orowheat, which we don't have around here). It's been in there for over a month, we haven't been eating much bread lately; but since it looks like new, time to toss it in the freezer I guess.

                                                                                                                                                            That's an interesting thought, to use the TARDIS to go back in time only to eat various extinct foods.

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                                                                                                                                                              Caroline1 Jan 12, 2014 07:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                              LOL!

                                                                                                                                                              For me a major problem with the American diet today is that I, as a native born American who has been a "food-centric" (I coin that term as a noun here, and offer it as a more dignified "identifier" than "foodie") find that I am perilously close to requiring a Tardis-like contraption to find food that really IS food!

                                                                                                                                                              Using your example of bread, if that crap loaf of forever-bread you have in your refrigerator was REAL bread, you would NEVER store it in the refrigerator because refrigeration will make REAL bread go stale very rapidly, but with all of those preservatives in gummy white/wheat bread, not even time itself can make "supermarket bread" go stale!

                                                                                                                                                              I'm now working on a "youth restorative face cream" that will keep people youthful looking FOREVER!!! The catch is you have to start using it when you're around age 25, then use it weekly the rest of your life. I'm going to charge $500.00 a jar for it, and it will only be sold in dermatologists' offices and ultra-luxe spas! The secret formula is Wonder Bread dissolved in Jergen's Lotion. Guaranteed to keep you fresh and new looking as long as the pyramids are still standing! '-)

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                                                                                                                                                                coll Jan 12, 2014 07:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Didn't George Carlin have a skit about eating hot dogs and not aging?

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                                                                                                                                                                  Caroline1 Jan 12, 2014 01:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  Probably. There wasn't much in the way of human foibles he didn't mine!

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                                                                                                                                                        Jerseygirl111 Jan 12, 2014 05:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                        Oh no doubt Bimbo destroyed Entenmanns.

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                                                                                                                                                          coll Jan 12, 2014 05:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                          No General Mills destroyed Entenmanns many years ago, give credit where credit is due. Bimbo is the fifth or sixth company to own them since the Entenmann family "retired".

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                                                                                                                                                            Tripeler Jan 12, 2014 08:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                            Besides, of all the bakery names, "Bimbo" is the most fun to use in conversation.

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                                                                                                                                                              Jerseygirl111 Jan 12, 2014 10:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                              Really? Because George Weston owned them around 2000ish. I remember because I was trying to track down a product and was making inquiries. They were still decent enough then.

                                                                                                                                                              Just looked up their wiki. GM owned them pre-Weston, that was the era I first became aware of Entenmanns, so I have no reference pre-GM.

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                                                                                                                                                                coll Jan 13, 2014 03:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                My husband worked for the Entenmanns back when they were still a local bakery, they used to be a big deal in these parts. So I've sort of followed them through their many incarnations, out of curiosity. They were so darn good, but General Mills started a long, sad decline to Hostess quality. It was quite shocking at the time, but I've gotten over it finally ;-).

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                                                                                                                                                                  Tom34 Jan 13, 2014 06:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  The same thing happened to TastyKake when they were bought out. I don't know if the changes were made to increase shelf life so they could be shipped farther or if it was production cost cutting measures or both, but many of their products went way down hill.

                                                                                                                                                                  I used to love Entenmanns, especially their cheese danish loafs. For health reasons I have cut most of that kind of stuff out so I can't speak to the quality now. I met Mr. Entenmann down in Ocean Reef Club in Key Largo years back. Very nice person.

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                                                                                                                                                                    coll Jan 13, 2014 06:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    They are a very nice family, all of them. They are still here on Long Island but now have a vineyard and a thoroughbred horse farm to keep them busy.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Tom34 Jan 13, 2014 07:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Thats a nice way to keep busy.

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                                                                                                                                                                        coll Jan 13, 2014 07:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        You're telling me!

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                                                                                                                                                                    Jerseygirl111 Jan 13, 2014 05:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    I hate these kind of stories. So sad.

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                                                                                                                                                                      coll Jan 13, 2014 06:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      What? that they own a vineyard? It's the modern American success story!

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                                                                                                                                                                        Tom34 Jan 13, 2014 06:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        So is owning a house in Ocean Reef Club like the Entenmann's do......most start at 5 million and 10 to 20 million is not uncommon. Crown jewel of the keys.

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                                                                                                                                                                          coll Jan 13, 2014 06:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          They have a beach house here too, not too shabby. But believe me, they deserve everything they have. The bakery business is not all that much of a breeze.

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                                                                                                                                                                            grampart Jan 13, 2014 06:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            No one "deserves" a 20 million dollar house!

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                                                                                                                                                                              coll Jan 13, 2014 06:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              ???if you work hard and smart your entire life, and you're lucky in general, you do. But NY and FL, not sure the are comparable. Here 20 mil is chump change ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                Tom34 Jan 14, 2014 06:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                That depends on a person's interpretation of the word "Deserves". Back in the day it meant that you "earned" something. Today many interpret the word to mean entitled to something. Very different meaning.

                                                                                                                                                                                I think it must also be pointed out that there were thousands of people who worked for him who's lives were greatly enriched by the salary & benefits he paid not to mention the millions he has donated to charities over the years.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  The Chowhound Team Jan 14, 2014 07:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  This is really getting pretty far afield from the food at this point, so can we ask that people let this tangent go? Thanks!

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                                                                                                                                                                            Jerseygirl111 Jan 29, 2014 06:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            "What? that they own a vineyard? It's the modern American success story!"

                                                                                                                                                                            No, lol. That a once great foodstuff becomes a shadow of its former self.

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                                                                                                                                                                              coll Jan 29, 2014 06:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              You're right, I really miss Entenmanns baked goods. Their wines are pretty darn good too thought, they just have that touch.

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                                                                                                                                                      Harts52 Jan 8, 2014 03:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I haven't bought them much over the past 10 years but all of a sudden my grandsons are eating me out of the house, so I've brought a few packages into the house to use for burger buns. The biggest difference I've seen - and was kind of shocked (maybe stupidly so) - is that there is a huge difference between the ones I buy at my local regional grocery chain and the ones I buy at Walmart. And I'm talking leaps and bounds difference in texture, flavor and freshness. How can that be? I remember years ago someone telling me that the computer I buy from Best Buy is not going to be the exact same model that I buy from Walmart, but does this happen with food too?

                                                                                                                                                      My future with EMs, after reading this thread, will be (1) try the recommended Bay's; (2) try TJs and (3) pull out Grandma's recipe.

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                                                                                                                                                        coll Jan 9, 2014 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Almost everything at Walmart is made especially for them. And made much more cheaply, I've confirmed with Levi that their jeans are made in Mexico as opposed to regular ones being made here (only asked them because the difference was so obvious) and the Gillette razor blades are also very obviously inferior. Yeah, you know the drill, you get what you pay for.

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                                                                                                                                                          caganer Jan 9, 2014 10:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                          My neighbor's family owns a commercial and retail bakery. She gets a weekly delivery from a relative and usually passes on a few loaves to me. I get several different brands from her - some that I see at Wholefoods, others that I see at the regular grocery store and some with the bakery's own label. I'm pretty sure lots of the big companies contract out baking to other companies in the same way, this really could be part of the issue here I think.

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                                                                                                                                                          comestible Jan 8, 2014 03:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                          I never liked Thomas's anyway. Too skinny, no heft to them, and the split halves curl up in the toaster.

                                                                                                                                                          I'll look for Bays, but I'm really happy with whole grain ones from the health food store, can't recall the brand...Food for Life or Ezekiel. Substantial and they do have those nooks and crannies. Expensive, but good.

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                                                                                                                                                            HillJ Jan 9, 2014 07:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                            My family and I def. taste and see a difference in TEM, for us it's the thickness of the entire muffin that's changed. Use to be a much heavier muffin. However, we still buy and eat them. They are the reason we own a toaster oven!

                                                                                                                                                            Our workaround for a tuna melt or toast is to set the toaster oven on convention first to firm up the muffin then switch to toast and get that nice nook & cranny going. A few more minutes than the usual but it's worth the extra step.

                                                                                                                                                            I don't see other brands around us readily and I don't bake EM from scratch anymore.

                                                                                                                                                            But we do not like the 'other flavors' Thomas EM come in, original all the way.

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                                                                                                                                                              BubblyOne Jan 9, 2014 08:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Give Bays a try- they should be available near you.

                                                                                                                                                              Please report back if you do.

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                                                                                                                                                                HillJ Jan 9, 2014 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                I've heard of the brand and I've seen it in CA but so far I haven't come across it here in NJ.

                                                                                                                                                                If I do, I will report back BubbOne. Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                  bagelman01 Jan 9, 2014 08:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Don't know where you are in Jersey, But both Stop and Shop and Shop Rite stock them in CT. BUT don't look in the bread aisle! Bay's are sold refrigerated in the dairy case

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                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ Jan 9, 2014 08:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    I know sounds odd right, I have S&S, ShopRite & A&P nearby. Maybe I'm NOT looking in the right places.

                                                                                                                                                                    And bagelman, would I be wrong in recalling that Woolworth's had those plastic displays for TEM back in the day..

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                                                                                                                                                                      bagelman01 Jan 9, 2014 08:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      You would be correct that a lunch counter at Woolworth's would have had the plastic displays, along with the ballons to pop to see how much you paid for your ice cream sundae (from 1-29 cents).

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                                                                                                                                                                        HillJ Jan 9, 2014 09:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        That's it! Good to know my memory still reins.

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                                                                                                                                                                      breadchick Jan 9, 2014 10:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      I will have to look for them in the Shop Rite here in upstate NY. I'm not happy with the Thomas' brand anymore, and while we've switched to Hannaford's house brand it's not quite the same. Thanks for the tip.

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                                                                                                                                                                      HillJ Jan 12, 2014 05:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Finally! found Bays. Much heavier, thicker and I enjoyed my very first experience on a toasted semi-dark with some freshly prepared smoke white fish. Happy customer!

                                                                                                                                                                      btw, they were in the dairy case, not the bread aisle and in my area of NJ I found them at a specialty market not a grocery store.

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                                                                                                                                                                        Jerseygirl111 Jan 12, 2014 10:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Sickles?

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                                                                                                                                                                          HillJ Jan 13, 2014 06:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, Sickles Market.

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                                                                                                                                                                    HeyImBack Jan 9, 2014 09:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    I picked up their cranberry version a couple months ago and my son just loved them so I picked up a few more packages and froze them. They may be seasonal, though.

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                                                                                                                                                                      HillJ Jan 9, 2014 09:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      I noticed the pumpkin version a few years now but I don't believe I've seen the cranberry.I'm a diehard Original TEM eater though...and I like dried cranberries.

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                                                                                                                                                                        HeyImBack Jan 9, 2014 02:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        The only place I've seen the cranberry ones are at Walmart.

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                                                                                                                                                                          HillJ Jan 9, 2014 02:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          No kidding. In one of the commercials coll posted I saw the sourdough packaging highlighted and I hadn't realized that variety goes back that far.

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                                                                                                                                                                            coll Jan 9, 2014 06:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe only on the West Coast back then?

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                                                                                                                                                                              HillJ Jan 9, 2014 08:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              ? I'm realizing just how little I know about a food product I've eaten forever!

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                                                                                                                                                                                coll Jan 10, 2014 06:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                They probably would like it to stay that way too; they like to give out that small town, down home kind of vibe. It works very well for them. All these new flavors are interesting to me too, great market penetration tactics.

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                                                                                                                                                                        Annief123 Jan 9, 2014 11:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        The cranberry are seasonal.
                                                                                                                                                                        The Thomas's Corn EM used to be seasonal and now is available year round. I begrudgingly give them a good reveiw (as I'm the one that started this negative post on the EM not tasting the same), but IMO the corn EM is the best variety they sell. It's still lacks the crispness that it had a few years ago but it's really delicious.
                                                                                                                                                                        I use the corn EM as the bun for a Mexican pork burger. Its also a great to make 'pizzas' with leftover chili. The sweet muffin is perfect with spicy smoky flavors.
                                                                                                                                                                        By the way, I also emailed Thomas's a couple years back to rave about the corn variety and asked them to carry it year round. So here I am 2yrs. later sending them a complaint...

                                                                                                                                                                    2. bagelman01 Jan 9, 2014 08:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Nothing stays the same over timeand ouur memories arte cloded with nostalgia..............

                                                                                                                                                                      That said, I have bought and eaten Thomas's English Muffind for more than 50 years. Unlike many bread products that suffered a reformulation with the removal of animal fats, Thomas was kosher all these years and did not have to reformulate.

                                                                                                                                                                      Back about 1968 or 9, we bought a Glass English muffin holder. It was a glass cylinder tall enough to hold 6 English muffins and had a cork stopper. There was a small glass loop near the top and it held a wooden fork for splitting the muffins. This conta9iner kept the muffins far fresher than the plastic bag they came in and the wooden fork with wide short times still works perfectly for splitting the muffins. I do noetal fork or knife works as well.

                                                                                                                                                                      In the 50/60s one would find tall plastic cylinders with the Thomas' orange colors and logo at lunch counters stacked full of the English muffins, usually attached to the counter next to the menu holder, great POS business stimulators.

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                                                                                                                                                                        Harts52 Jan 9, 2014 09:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        I had this exact same canister! Someone bought us an assortment of these for a wedding gift in 1978. The canisters are no longer but the wooden coffee scoop that hung from one is still the one that I use every morning.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. grampart Jan 9, 2014 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        I've been eating TEM for well over 50 years and I still think they're the best. Our local Publix has them on a 2 for 1 sale fairly regularly. We buy 4 packages and freeze them. Still great after the defrost. I've had the Bays brand and they are also pretty darned good. Both are better than Wolferman's.

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                                                                                                                                                                          coll Jan 9, 2014 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Wolfermanns are so different; I get a shipment every Christmas from my dear brother. We like them fine, but when you've grown up on Thomas.......

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                                                                                                                                                                            bagelman01 Jan 9, 2014 11:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            after all....
                                                                                                                                                                            Thomas's Promises!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                              coll Jan 9, 2014 12:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Now, remind me...what was it they promised? I definitely remember the commercials but not that part. Let's take a trip down Memory Lane...http://wn.com/thomas'_english_mu...

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                                                                                                                                                                          laliz Jan 9, 2014 03:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          If I buy EM at all, I only buy Orowheat; but this is the second time this week I have read complaints about Thomas' English Muffins. (once at another site I frequent)

                                                                                                                                                                          1. PotatoHouse Jan 9, 2014 03:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            THANK YOU!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                            I knew I couldn't be the only one. My biggest complaint is that most of them are flat and don't split apart properly. I end up using a bread knife to cut them open.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. Karl S Jan 9, 2014 04:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              They declined in quality several years ago when they made the top significantly flatter than the bottom in a cost-cutting move. Bay's more recently did this in a somewhat less dramatic fashion, fwiw.

                                                                                                                                                                              I only buy the generic supermarket muffins, because they don't suffer from the problems of the brands. I've even chatted with Thomas's delivery guys about this, and they agree - they try telling the company, but are ignored.

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                                                                                                                                                                                greygarious Jan 9, 2014 04:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                My impression is that they are smaller, not just flatter, than they used to be, though I don't know for sure that the weight/size has changed. I liked the supermarket-brand ones but have only seen them in plain, and I prefer a whole wheat/multigrain one for flavor and marginally better nutrition.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Tom34 Jan 9, 2014 06:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Without pulling out a ruler, and not thinking about it until you mentioned it, gut instinct, I think your right about them being smaller.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    coll Jan 9, 2014 06:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Everything's smaller now, the first time I bought Mallomars in many years I was wondering, is this a joke?

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Annief123 Jan 9, 2014 06:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      It's not just that they're smaller, it's taste and texture that's also different.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        coll Jan 9, 2014 06:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh that too. What's the old saying, the food is bad and there's so little of it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Tom34 Jan 9, 2014 06:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        To be honest, I hadn't even thought about the size until Greygarious brought it up. I guess that's whats they are counting on. I am not enough of a TEM fan to comment on any taste differences but will concede to those that are based on the changes I noticed immediately (first bite) after Tastykake was bought out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Harts52 Jan 10, 2014 07:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Definitely smaller. I wish food manufacturers would stop their practice of downsizing the product as a way to maintain/increase profit margins. So many recipes call for a unit of measure that was the norm when the recipe was written. It irks me to no end to have to use a calculator to adjust the ingredients to get the recipe to be right. Just raise the price already. That's going to happen the following month anyway.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        breadchick Jan 10, 2014 07:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        What you said.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    noodlepoodle Jan 9, 2014 06:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I too have eaten TEM for well over fifty years, and switched a couple of years ago to Bay's when I noticed TEM getting gummy and raggy. They just don't toast up the way I remember them.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Monica Jan 9, 2014 06:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Wow , I haven't had Thomas English muffin in awhile. Is it really what English people eat for breakfast?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        jpc8015 Jan 9, 2014 08:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes. All of them. Every single day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Clams047 Jan 10, 2014 04:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Kind of like French fries

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                                                                                                                                                                                            coll Jan 10, 2014 06:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Like french fries in France, right?

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                                                                                                                                                                                              jpc8015 Jan 10, 2014 02:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              And London Dry Gin in London.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                FriedClamFanatic Jan 10, 2014 04:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                NOTHING is ever Dry in London!

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                                                                                                                                                                                              FriedClamFanatic Jan 10, 2014 07:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Grins.actually, I think you mean French Toast

                                                                                                                                                                                              And no Brit I ever knew ate English Muffins before moving to the US.or at least visiting there

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics Jan 10, 2014 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                That's what I heard. They have something that looks like English Muffin, but they don't have anything actually is English Muffin. For example, crumpet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                https://www.google.com/search?q=crump...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  jpc8015 Jan 10, 2014 02:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I love crumpets. I wish they were more widely available in the US. If I wanted one right now I would not know where to go.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chemicalkinetics Jan 10, 2014 02:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    < I wish they were more widely available in the US>

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dumb question. Do you know if crumpets are even available -- beside making them yourself?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      jpc8015 Jan 10, 2014 02:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have seen them commercially available in some nicer groceries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Then there is always the Crumpet Shoppe next to the Pike's Place Market in downtown Seattle but I don't make it that way very often.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Chemicalkinetics Jan 10, 2014 11:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks JC and others. I will see if I can hunt down some crumpets (by looking more closely)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Clams047 Jan 11, 2014 05:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Stop & Shop (New England) carries a decent crumpet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          51rich Jan 13, 2014 10:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          trader joe's has them, i'm pretty sure

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          bagelman01 Jan 10, 2014 02:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          We buy them at Trader Joe's

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            jpc8015 Jan 10, 2014 03:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I will make a point to go there tomorrow.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            khh1138 Feb 7, 2014 02:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            We get them at Trader Joe's from time to time (when not buying them at another market). Do you have one of those near you?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            FriedClamFanatic Jan 10, 2014 04:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Crumpets are wonderful in their own right. I have had them in the UK and the US (rarely), but their texture and "mouth-feel" would never compare to an English Muffin (even when I tried making my own EM)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              jpc8015 Jan 14, 2014 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Aside from their size and shape I don't think there are many similarities between crumpets and English muffins. I actually think crumpets are closer to a thicker American pancake. I love them with butter.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            helmut fig newton Jan 14, 2014 11:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            They have english muffins in the uk!
                                                                                                                                                                                                            they are a bit plumper with less cranny!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/sainsb...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              njmarshall55 Feb 11, 2014 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              But how are the nooks?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Monica Jan 10, 2014 06:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          How would you know?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            jpc8015 Jan 10, 2014 02:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Because the people are English, and the bread is an English muffin. I will allow you to connect the dots.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pwmfan Jan 10, 2014 06:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Never was a Thomas's fan. I do like the Trader Joe's "British Muffins". My old favorite Pepperidge Farms has disappeared from the shelves.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          coll Jan 10, 2014 07:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bet Bimbo has their eye on them too!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            BubblyOne Jan 10, 2014 07:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I believe their latest was Sara Lee, so I'm sure they do-

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Harts52 Jan 10, 2014 07:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Trader Joe's does not manufacture their label, so Bimbo's can't buy them. Could happen that TJ's could source something made by Bimbo's, so it could always happen that a quality issue could arise with their Brits too. My experience with TJ's, though, is that they are pretty tuned in to customer opinion. It will be a sad day when they move away from their core values.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                coll Jan 10, 2014 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ah, I was talking about Pepperidge Farm actually.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Harts52 Jan 10, 2014 09:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  gotcha

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            maggie1944 Jan 12, 2014 09:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, I noticed the change several years ago and stopped buying them. I even tried making my own which were good but time consuming. I tried other brands and can't find any that I like. I'm back to buying an occasional Thomases for my son. It's too bad that the company changed the recipe.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              OhioHound Jan 12, 2014 08:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes! So glad this thread was created.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              My mom and I have really noticed a difference not only in Thomas' english muffins, but also Aunt Millie's as of late, too. The Aunt Millie's muffins no longer split easily, and the quality of both brands has declined immensely.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Anyone have the insider scoop on Aunt Millie's?

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Our new favorite is Trader Joe's British muffins when we can get them, or the Meijer brand english muffins.. the latter not nearly as delectable but are comparable to AM and Thomas for a much better price.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. LindaWhit Jan 13, 2014 06:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I eat these almost daily, and haven't noticed any difference, other than they seem a *smidge* smaller.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  51rich Jan 13, 2014 08:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  that change was made many years ago, in fact they (long ago) stopped advertising that they can be fork split. It is at least 10 years now that they changed the way they are made, and the flavor too. I have switched (usually) to bays, they are very close to the old thomas's but have a bit more flavor- a sort of sour tang- and i stick to the regular, not the sourdough. I don't think it was when bimbo took over, and i think at the time it was even in the newspapers (remember those), that they were changing the method of baking- and no longer able to fork split them

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ Jan 13, 2014 12:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm looking at an original TEM and an original Bays right now. Just bought both in the last few days. This is my first Bays experience.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The TEM is pre cut and the Bays is not. On my counter, the Bays sits about 1/2 inch higher than the TEM. The Bays is lighter in color overall but they both have that 'stamped' brown circle on the top of the muffin. Right out of the pkg., Bays muffin is heavier and much firmer than TEM.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This morning, I toasted both at the same time. Bays took a tad longer to toast to my preferred shade (semi dark) and did a much better job of crisping up. TEM was still a bit flimsy even toasted, Bays was crunchy and firm.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I spread goat cheese and raspberry jam on both. Bays wins for texture, size, nooks & crannies and taste.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Harts52 Jan 13, 2014 01:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The goat cheese and jam sounds very good!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        HillJ Jan 13, 2014 01:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Rewarding..after such grueling scientific research!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          HillJ Jan 13, 2014 01:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Next up, this:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://ruhlman.com/2010/12/english-mu...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Harts52 Jan 13, 2014 02:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I will have to compare that to my grandmothers recipe. Hers were my first exposure to EMs and everything else has paled in comparison. She didn't toast them in a toaster, she skillet toasted them in butter (fried them). DELICIOUS!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              HillJ Jan 13, 2014 02:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Oh I have no doubt they were delicious prepared by Grandmother in a buttered skillet. I think we're having tuna melts for dinner..all this talk of EM has made my decision very easy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jessiet Feb 11, 2014 12:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My experience is a little different. I didn't know about Bays until I read this thread, but found them at a local chain grocery, so I bought some. My daughter and I did some comparison tasting and we found that: Bays is much higher, and a lot lighter; not as dense. We think Bays has less nooks and crannies, but overall, they taste pretty good. To me, only real negative is a nasty aftertaste that tastes like some kind of chemical. TEM doesn't have this. Clearly, TEM has changed, and used to be better, so I thought I'd prefer Bays, but actually, I do like the denseness of TEM, and they don't have that aftertaste that I'm referring to. Think I'll stick to TEM, as long as I can buy them BOGO.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Harts52 Feb 11, 2014 03:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wondering if you got a bad package? I haven't experienced any aftertaste at all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        qszat1 Jan 13, 2014 12:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bought from Costco, they were 2 pkg of 9 each.Original, and with Nooks and Crannies. They were scored fpr fork tines or fingernails. They didn't taste quite right. A little sawdusty. I will have another tomorrow, but I did notice something was different, before I read this trend. Mine might have been manufactured in Riviera Beach, Fl.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          qszat1 Jan 13, 2014 01:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Annie-Ask them what happened to Thomas Date Nut Bread?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            HillJ Jan 13, 2014 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            They went the way of Chock Full 'O Nuts dining and Dromedary brand. Canned browned bread is still sold with date bits but homemade with moist dates is about the only way to enjoy Date Nut Bread now. Like this:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.hungrybrowser.com/phaedrus...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I did see the date nut bread a few years ago, supposedly only November/December. But it wasn't good. And it was like $5.50 or something, and really small.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              seamunky Jan 13, 2014 05:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sorry your beloved Thomas's English Muffins have changed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't know who makes them, but I like McDonald's muffin. I'll get a $1 sausage muffin and take off the "naked" half and eat the sausage cheese muffin. Then I'll toast the naked half until it's properly toasted and butter that baby up! Bonus if the muffin managed to soak up some sausage grease!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Karl S Jan 14, 2014 05:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                McDonalds historically used Bays.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. jcmods Jan 27, 2014 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've noticed for a long time that they fail to split properly. (And that the top is so small it gets jammed up in the toaster easily). Recently, I noticed an improvement with the last two packages (meaning that they split easily without a knife or fork). However, today I noticed that they seem smaller (and the same problem with the top that was so small that I could not even put it in the toaster otherwise it would have fallen into the toaster and been shredded to nothing but crumbs. I literally had to lay it across the top to keep from losing it forever.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Karl S Jan 27, 2014 12:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The "tops" on Thomas's English muffins are more like chapel veils. They've designed them so that you just discard the top and use two bottoms. What passes for "tops" are useless.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Annief123 Jan 27, 2014 05:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Try Bays English muffins.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Harts52 Jan 28, 2014 05:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Because of this thread I ordered a case of Bays from Amazon. Now these are what EMs are supposed to be!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jcmods Jan 28, 2014 08:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I notice they have them at Fairway in Pelham NY (and probably all other Fairways for those in the Tri State Area). Am going to give them a try.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          UTgal Jan 28, 2014 02:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I too have noticed a change in Thomas's and have stopped buying them. I'll need to look into Bays! Thanks for the Amazon tip.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Annief123 Jan 28, 2014 04:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Most markets sell them in the refrigerated section near the eggs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Harts52 Jan 28, 2014 05:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There is a store finder on their website. The only store in my area is an hour from me and not in a direction I usually go so Amazon was a good option.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Annief123 Jan 28, 2014 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, what did we do before Amazon? its a great option.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've also had pretty good luck asking grocery managers at different stores to order a product they don't stock they've come through for me.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Anyway, just a thought....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Harts52 Jan 29, 2014 06:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I will have to try that. I'm glad I was able to get Bays but I'd be a lot happier to buy as needed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Jessiet Feb 3, 2014 07:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last week I found Bays english muffins at my local Giant supermarket (I'm in SE Pennsylvania). If you have a Giant nearby, they probably will have them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Harts52 Feb 3, 2014 09:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      No Giant in my area. Thanks, tho.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Veggo Jan 27, 2014 05:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Goodie, my opportunity to trash Thomas's after a long, pleasant past.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The six-pack for $3 is absurd. The buy-one-get one free got my attention. So I bought 2 and froze them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This morning, I wanted to serve Phillips crab cakes on Thomas's English muffin halves, with hollandaise.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The thawed muffins were cardboard. The crab cakes reeked of Asian aquafarming. I don't get by on hollandaise alone.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We went out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        coll Jan 27, 2014 05:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A sad story.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Tom34 Jan 27, 2014 06:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Good Blue Claw crab very expensive & hard to fine this year. Gave up and moving onto snow crab coming in now at pretty good prices $5.99 for 6-8 oz clusters. Do love what you were trying to make though, rich and delicious.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Annief123 Jan 27, 2014 07:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            $3 for a six pack? In my area they are $4.79.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If they tasted good like in the past I wouldn't care but.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm sorry to hear about the Phillips crab cakes I used to love those.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I almost bought some at Costco yesterday.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Jan 27, 2014 07:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I can often buy two 6-packs for $4.00.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Veggo Jan 28, 2014 06:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Linda, if you buy 2 and freeze one, it would be a good idea to repackage them so that they don't dehydrate and freezer-burn as mine did. The Thomas' packaging is not suitable for freezing for any length of time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Jan 28, 2014 06:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I usually do that, Veggo.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  However, I'm hoping to get up to my Mom's this weekend and go to Shaw's to see if they carry the Bay's. I was in a Target over the weekend and completely spaced on checking there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    c oliver Jan 28, 2014 07:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    El :) we buy six packages (of Thomas' at a time at Costco and freeze in their original packaging with NO problem. Since we don't eat them untoasted or ungrilled, it's never been an issue for us. And we eat a lot of them cause they're our hamburger bun equivalent.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Jan 28, 2014 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      c.oliver, I usually just remove them from their cardboard box and twist them up tight in the original plastic bag. The extra airspace while in the box is lessened by stacking them in the plastic bag, squishing out any additional air that I can, and putting the bag tie clip back on at the top the stack of muffins.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Provided I don't leave them in the freezer for too long, they survive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And yes, they're ALWAYS my hamburger bun substitution as well. Great. Now I want a cheeseburger. :-P

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        c oliver Jan 28, 2014 08:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        :) We grind our own meat (pork burgers are our fave) and had been so dissatisfied with the buns generally available that we turned to EMs. Now can't imagine anything else.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          c oliver Jan 28, 2014 02:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Costco ones don't come in the bag. They're packaged like, maybe, crackers. Sealed 'crinkly' plastic. So when we open a package we then put them in a zipping bag and keep in the fridge.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            qszat1 Feb 3, 2014 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver,LindaWhit.We also gave up hamburger biuns for EM.We did try Publix French ham rolls, they were yum.They have a different texture and shiny top. Yummy

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              breadchick Feb 3, 2014 02:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Oh, man. So do I! But my butcher is closed on Mondays!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              We tried the English muffins for burgers, but went back to Martin's Sandwich-size potato rolls.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Tom34 Feb 3, 2014 06:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Martins potato rolls smeared with a little butter and lightly grilled while the burgers rest are awesome.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Alfred G Feb 12, 2014 12:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  +1. Martin's Sandwich size potato rolls are the way to go.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Feb 4, 2014 06:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So, I got 2 6-packs of BEM at Shaw's this weekend while up at Mom's. Cost was two for $6.00.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I *do* like the way they split at just a touch, whereas the TEM have to be fork split. No as many nooks and crannies, BUT....each BEM muffin half seem to have a "lip" so the butter doesn't drip off. I like that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bay's toast much faster than Thomas's. As for taste - they aren't as doughy as Thomas's are, and there's a slight acidic/yeasty taste to them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So - I like them. Did I fall completely, utterly, and totally in love with the Bay's, forsaking Thomas's English muffins forevermore? No. But I will buy them when I can. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                c oliver Feb 4, 2014 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In addition to bringing home two dozen NYC bagels, now I need to look for these also :) If we make it there. Damn weather :(

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Feb 4, 2014 08:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ::::BIG sigh:::: NYC bagels.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jessiet Feb 3, 2014 07:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They 6 pack is almost $4.50 here; consider yourself lucky, I suppose! I only buy them on BOGO.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          c oliver Feb 3, 2014 08:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Go to Costco! And we freeze five of the six packs all the time and they're just fine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Alfred G Mar 4, 2014 01:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            At my Publix the 6 pack of TEM is $4.19 which would be $2.10 per 6 pack on BOGO. The BEM are a little over $2.00 per 6 pack so the TEM BOGO is really a moot point. I'm sticking with Bay's. Also, the Bay's deal on Amazon.com is quite good for 12 six packs. They freeze really well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              bagelman01 Mar 4, 2014 03:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I never buy TEM in the supermarkets, way too expensive. In our area, the Entemann's Bakery Thrift Stores stock the whole Thomas' baked goods line (fresh, not out of date). On Wednesdays and Fridays Thomas's products are 3 packages for $3, otherwise they are $1.25 package.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Mrs. B is partial to the Honey Wheat TEM, which we can't find in any of our area markets, which have only 1/2 gram of fat each. Tomorrow, I'll spend $6 and stock our freezer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. iL Divo Feb 4, 2014 02:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          they are simply not the same nor are they any longer worth the extra $ they cost over the store brand. I will say that hubby and I did a mini vacation a month or so ago in Mammoth Lakes. our hotels' breakfast featured extra large sandwich sized Thomas' EMuffs and they toasted up with those crisp little peaks nicely. we loved peanut butter &butter atop the warn (just out of the toaster) extra large ones. but yah. the twangy flavor is suspiciously missing

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            HillJ Feb 4, 2014 08:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks to this thread I'm now a full on Bay's fan. Toasty crispness, plenty of body and those nooks and crannies!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Caroline1 Feb 4, 2014 09:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thought I'd throw this in, just in case anyone is interested... Really good English muffins with TONS of nooks and crannies are ridiculously easy to make... Here's how. If you know how to bake bread using the sponge method that uses about 2/3 of the flour in the sponge, make that. Let it rise as usual, then when it's ready to be punched down to add the rest of the flour, just stir it (it should be the consistency of a fairly thick cake batter). Set it aside while you rub a thin coat of oil inside your largest cast iron skillet or stove top griddle and set it over medium heat that's just a tad on the cool side. Grease (or Pam) the inside of as many English muffin ring molds as will fit in/on your skillet/grill. If you don't have English muffin ring molds and you can get your hands on old fashioned tuna cans that can be opened with a can opener on both top and bottom, they make great muffin molds! (Damn you, Starkist for robbing me of free muffin molds!) Okay. When your griddle/skillet is "pancake temperature" and your ring molds are in place, then and only then add a teaspoon of baking powder to your sponge, stir well to incorporate, then spoon your batter into the muffin molds to about half full. Allow to "bake" like pancakes until bubbles rise to the surface, then turn and ",bake" the other side until done. Remove molds, cool, fork split, toast and slather with butter or whatever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you would rather have crumpets than English muffins simply lower your griddle heat enough to allow your batter to bake all the way through so that the heat bubbles are solidly set in the batter and the "muffin" is baked all the way through. Crumpets are served warm from the pan, and the solidified "heat bubble" holes allow them to hold lots of butter. Whether crumpets or muffins, I prefer mine with real Irish butter and Dundee orange marmalade.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The big secret to authentic nooks and crannies is adding the baking powder to the batter-like sponge at the last minute. Thomas' does not list baking powder in its ingredients list but Bay's does. I'm pretty sure baking powder is the fabled "secret ingredient" in Thomas' English Muffins, and WHEN it is added is the trick. Bay's lists it as an ingredient, but they don't say when it is added. And fair warning! I used to make English muffins regularly by just tossing together the sponge the night before, then allowing it to rise in the refrigerator overnight. DO NOT do this after adding the baking powder!!! The sponge will rise and fill your whole refrigerator and you'll have a real mess on your hands. But anyway, making your own fresh English muffins is a threat to your girth. They are the original "Bet you can't eat just one" food!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Just in case anyone is interested in making their own... ... ... '-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                sandylc Feb 5, 2014 10:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Excellent! Thank you...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have heard of adding baking SODA, but not baking POWDER. I'm betting that the powder works better.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Caroline1 Feb 5, 2014 02:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  MUCH better! I'll share a funny tale -- or at least I now think it's funny looking back on it 57 years later -- about how I learned first hand a bout the volatility of baking powder and yeast.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  When my first husband and I were newly weds and he was going to Air Traffic Control school at Keesler Air Force Base, our weekly "recreation" was playing pinochle with another couple every Thursday night. As is the tradition with nearly all students, we were poor, so the snacks and goodies for the evening consisted of 4 fresh baked loaves of bread -- 2 French and 2 pinwheeled cinnamon bread with raisins and walnuts tucked into the swirls. That divied up to a half loaf of each kind of bread per person with 1/2 cube of dairy butter each and fresh hot coffee to go with it. At one point I realized I was out of yeast and flour, I didn't want to make the long trek to the commissary, so I asked my husband to pick up 20 pounds of flour and a month's supply of yeast on his way home. So on bread making day I whipped up my standard sponge and set it on the counter to rise for about two to three hours. I figured I had a good hour and a half for a cup of morning coffee with a neighbor, so off I trotted! When I came home only an hour later my kitchen was a nightmare!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyone remember that childhood fairy tale about the fisherman and his wife who are given a magic pot that would fill with delicious porridge if they said the magic words, and then one day they forgot the magic words to turn it off so it filled their house with porridge until it was running out their windows? Well, that was my kitchen! The sponge had risen out of my VERY large baking bowl in which it had never reached even half way to the top with the sponge before and had crawled over the rim, filled the kitchen counter, found its way into the sink, and then spread its excess across the kitchen floor. What a mess!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Finally, I read the damned flour label on the fresh 20 pound bag of flour my husband had bought for me. I was NOT a native to the south, and the very closest thing I had ever heard of to self rising flour was Bisquick. In case any of you are as naive as I was, self rising flour is a mix of flour and baking powder so that you can make cake, biscuits, spoon bread, hush puppies, whatever you want without having to measure your baking powder and flour separately. After that, I never trusted my husband to buy a loaf of Wonder bread! I did my own shopping!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's the volatility of the very last minute addition of baking powder that adds the gas pockets to the batter to make those big old fat nooks and crannies that Thomas' is so proud of, as in WHEN to add the baking powder.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Harts52 Feb 5, 2014 04:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thank you for sharing that very funny story!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tom34 Feb 5, 2014 04:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for the recipe. I just don't know why a company had to mess up such a simple cheap thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Querencia Feb 6, 2014 08:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am sitting here eating one at this minute. Had not bought them for a while. They don't look the same. This one didn't go in halves the same. It didn't toast the same. It doesn't taste the same---not as sourdoughy in flavor. Many swear words occur to me. Why can' t food manufacturers leave well-enough alone? Do young executives get paid only if they think up something new and different? Thomas's have been an Article of Faith with me most of my life. Now I see it's time to try other brands. *&^%$#@!.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Annief123 Feb 6, 2014 01:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I sorry your having a disappointing experience with the new and NOT improved Thomas's E.M., but I'm glad to know it's not just me that has noticed a change. When I started this thread I wasn't expecting so many responses.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have always preferred Bays E.M., but like others, I used Thomas's for a hamburger bun, but not anymore. The taste, texture and the way it splits leaving that dinky little top barely covers the burger.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    UTgal Feb 6, 2014 09:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My Bays arrived from Amazon on Tuesday and they are delicious! Crunchy with lots of nooks and crannies. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      UTgal Apr 2, 2014 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Update: I've been plowing through them and have five packs left.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I did find them at my local grocery store but they run $3.60 or so. I think I'll stick with Amazon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      cavandre Feb 7, 2014 05:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was relieved to come across this topic...It's good to know I'm not the only one that thinks TEM have gone down hill.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        harp8 Feb 7, 2014 11:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bimbo, a big Mexican bakery, bought TEM some time ago. I think they messed with the product.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          TroyTempest Feb 10, 2014 02:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ya think? anybody else think so?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ...sorry, i couldn't resist

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tom34 Feb 10, 2014 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To add a different product.....maybe with a higher profit %.....ok......but to ruin a staple product with a multi generational following.....seems short sighted to me.....unless one held stock in the competition :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              jcmods Feb 12, 2014 12:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's always about maximum value to the shareholder no matter the long term consequences are. That's because the people who ruin the brand will get a golden parachute and will never really need to work again.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Tom34 Feb 12, 2014 05:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I guess........its just that it was such a simple product that was so successful for so long. I wonder if the general public will have the same negative reaction as Hounds?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          MonMauler Feb 11, 2014 06:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Two weeks ago I bought a package of TEM that were dense, heavy and required a sharp knife to split properly. This past week I bought a package of TEM that were light, filled with nooks and crannies, and split easily in my hands. Week-to-week this is common. I rarely know what I'll get. My regular grocer has no other type of English muffins, so I'm stuck with Thomas'. I like them plenty enough when they're good. When they're not, I end up tossing them and using regular wheat bread instead. It is a sad substitute.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            coll Feb 12, 2014 05:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Before tossing them, I'd use as a binder for meatballs or meatloaf or the like, at least.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. greygarious Mar 4, 2014 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Though their texture and splittability are not what they once were, I did like the Thomas's corn version I bought not long ago. No, I do not mean corn toaster cakes, This is a standard EM incorporating corn, meal or flour. Not a good thing for me to eat, so I only bought them the one time. Last week I noticed they had a limited edition banana EM. I resisted temptation, though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              HeyImBack Mar 4, 2014 03:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I saw the limited edition variety at Walmart last week - I think they're actually banana bread flavor.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                greygarious Mar 4, 2014 03:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, I think you're right.

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