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Real kishka (stuffed derma)

AdinaA Dec 31, 2013 06:16 AM

Real, as in made with beef fat. Parve derma has no justification for existing (not even vegans should be that desperate). So, I'm writing because I ordered the Grow & Behold stuffed derma (kishka) and cooked it in a cholent last week. Heavenly, melt-in-your-mouth heavenly. You don't have to live in Rochester, they ship.

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  1. bagelman01 RE: AdinaA Dec 31, 2013 07:43 AM

    You know that beef Bacon you weren't crazy about? It is just fine well ground and used in the kishke mix...............

    I haven't tried the grow and behold because I make my own kishke and helzel. But it's been more than 20 years since I could get a supply of natural kosher casings, so I have to resort to plastic or shaping and cooking in foil and un- molding before serving...not suitable for cholent as it would fall apart..

    Besides why bother with pareve kishke when it gets topped with a really good beef or giblet gravy? Great food for this 18 degree F day.

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    1. re: bagelman01
      PHREDDY RE: bagelman01 Jan 3, 2014 10:17 AM

      Try shaping in a banana leaf, and then steaming it....it works.
      One of my Columbian employees suggested that method...

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        bagelman01 RE: PHREDDY Jan 3, 2014 01:53 PM

        I don't like it steamed. I like the kishke to develop a crust/crunch which won't happen if steamed..

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          PHREDDY RE: bagelman01 Jan 3, 2014 05:41 PM

          After it is cooked by steaming, it holds it shape, I like it browned off in a frying pan. Don't always use fat or schmaltz, but use some vegetable or canola oil.

      2. re: bagelman01
        paprkutr RE: bagelman01 Jan 3, 2014 07:45 PM

        I had the best kishke at Katz's in NY. It is glatt kosher and made in Brooklyn. I posted to see if anyone knew of the
        place. I would live making it. Would you share your recipe? I haven't had good kishke until now in years. Thanks.

        1. re: paprkutr
          bagelman01 RE: paprkutr Jan 4, 2014 04:15 PM

          The following is my basic Kishke recipe. I often grind in small amounts of leftover cooked beef.

          Kishke Recipe
          1/2 cup of beef suet (or oil or schmaltz)
          If you can’t get beef suet from your kosher butcher, trim the fat cap from a shoulder steak and render in a frying pan, then cool, OR use oil and add about 3-4 ounces of fatty second cut brisket to the grind.
          2 stalks of celery (No Leaves)
          2 carrots (Peeled)
          1 onion (medium yellow)
          1 1/2 cups of all purpose flour (can use 1 cup flour and ½ cup matzo meal for less pasty texture)
          1 1/2 teaspoons of salt
          1 teaspoon of paprika
          ½ teaspoon white pepper (optional)
          1 teaspoon granulated garlic (optional)
          Grind the celery, carrots and onion in a food processor. Once they have reached a consistency that tells you the bits aren't going to get smaller, add the flour and turn the processor back on until they are mixed well. Next add the oil and spices and mix very well.

          Lay a large sheet of heavy duty aluminum foil on the table. Use the aluminum foil instead of intestines to hold everything together. I don’t like plastic tubing and you can’t get kosher intestines like in the old days. NOTE: This is why I use beef suet or rendered beef fat or grind in the brisket. The kishke we remember from our youth got its flavor from the animal intestine (something that not only contained the stuffing, but was eaten). The plastic imparts no beefy flavor.

          Take the mixed ingredients from the processor and roll it tightly into a tube shaped logs. Grease the piece of aluminum foil with some PAM spray and then roll the aluminum foil tightly around it, twist the ends like a candy wrapper. You can tie the ends with a bit of bakery string if you have it.

          Bake it in preheated oven at 350 degrees Fahrenheit, for about 1 1/2 hours. Remove from oven and cool at least 30 minutes before removing foil. Slice it and serve it as a side dish with beef gravy on top.

          Please don't ask if this will hold up in cholent, I have no idea as I don't add kishke to my cholent.

          I have also baked this in pyrex baking dishes when I am planning to use the kishke as stuffing for poultry or breast of veal, but cut the baking time to 45 minutes, as it will finish cooking in the meat.

          1. re: bagelman01
            zsero RE: bagelman01 Jan 5, 2014 12:19 PM

            How are you using beef suet? It's by definition not kosher! Or are you just calling the kosher fat "suet", since you can't get the real thing?

            1. re: zsero
              bagelman01 RE: zsero Jan 5, 2014 02:10 PM

              just calling it suet, I usually use the fat cap from a shoulder steak (london broil). If I don't have that I grind in the second cut brisket, but prefer the solid piece off the shoulder steak

              1. re: bagelman01
                zsero RE: bagelman01 Jan 5, 2014 08:45 PM

                Thanks for the explanation. I guessed it must be something like that, but it was startling to see the term used that way.

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              paprkutr RE: bagelman01 Jan 6, 2014 06:38 PM

              Thank you, can't wait to try it.

              1. re: paprkutr
                bagelman01 RE: paprkutr Jan 7, 2014 05:11 AM

                you may want to try it a few times, varying spices, etc to find the mix you like best.

                I like to add the pepper and garlic, but wife doesmn't care for the garlic.

            3. re: paprkutr
              phantomdoc RE: paprkutr Jan 6, 2014 07:13 PM

              You can get a Reuben and bagel with cream cheese at Katz's so I doubt the glatt let alone the kosher.

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                queenscook RE: phantomdoc Jan 6, 2014 07:34 PM

                I think the point was that the kishke served at this restaurant started its life glatt kosher. What the restaurant did to it, or served it with, doesn't change the fact that it could have started out glatt.

                1. re: queenscook
                  phantomdoc RE: queenscook Jan 6, 2014 08:31 PM

                  I get your point.

          2. weinstein5 RE: AdinaA Dec 31, 2013 08:35 AM

            Romanians in Chicago in addition to their hot dogs and deli meat makes a killer of a kishke - both pareve and meat -

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              AdinaA RE: weinstein5 Dec 31, 2013 09:45 AM

              You've persuaded me, scheduling a flight to Chicago.

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                weinstein5 RE: AdinaA Dec 31, 2013 11:40 AM

                You might want to wait a lttle bit - temperatures are in single digits and snow is on the way!

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              zsero RE: AdinaA Jan 1, 2014 05:23 PM

              Meal Mart makes fleishig kishke, but with plastic casing.

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                chicago maven RE: AdinaA Jan 5, 2014 02:21 PM

                Any of you remember the kishke from Sinai and Best kosher in Chicago?

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                1. re: chicago maven
                  bagelman01 RE: chicago maven Jan 5, 2014 02:32 PM

                  Yes, I used to be able to get it in Price Chopper, Colonie NY in the early 90s.
                  It wasn't Glatt, but that didn't matter to me.

                  For commercial kishke it was pretty good and reasonably priced. I miss Best Kosher, especially their specialty wursts such as Thuringer and Summer Sausage.

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                  ronojo RE: AdinaA Jan 7, 2014 02:27 PM

                  I went on their site but couldn't find kishka. In which category is it?

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                  1. re: ronojo
                    AdinaA RE: ronojo Jan 7, 2014 02:32 PM

                    click: beef, then click: specialty and scroll down

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                      ronojo RE: AdinaA Jan 7, 2014 02:40 PM

                      Thanks. Found it

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