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Is this the end of shrimp?

law_doc89 Dec 27, 2013 04:46 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/global...

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    smoledman RE: law_doc89 Dec 27, 2013 05:03 PM

    "All you can eat" restaurants are a monument for Amercans' selfishness and greed. The sooner they all go out of business the better. Let there be artisanal restaurant with more fusion dishes.

    1. Will Owen RE: law_doc89 Dec 27, 2013 05:29 PM

      After reading that, I found myself wishing that I'd cooked the shrimp for our Christmas lunch a minute or two more!

      AYCE restaurants are far from the biggest consumers, at least out here in L.A. County. The San Gabriel Valley is wall-to-Great Wall with Asian seafood places, mostly Chinese, and if it swims they'll sell it. Shrimp is a major ingredient, either as individual shrimp or as part of a sauce or stuffing. It's also a major market item for both Asians and Mexicans, and of course the rest of us as well. The shrimp I referenced above was 21-25 count EZ-Peel, bought from Ralphs (Kroger affiliate) at $7.99/lb. That's been their limited-time sale price for those bugs for the past several years, but of course they make it up elsewhere.

      1. sal_acid RE: law_doc89 Dec 28, 2013 12:06 PM

        Not the end of shrimp, just the end of AYCE shrimp. Prices will rise, AYCE will go away because of the economics.

        One does worry that the Asian shrimp farmers will throw antibiotics into the pond to stave off disease. That would be a bad idea.

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          collardman RE: sal_acid Dec 28, 2013 12:16 PM

          While all politics are local, so is all good eating.

          I know you can't get local shrimp like I can here in Louisiana, but I can't get lobster or mussels from the guy down the block like some of you can. Or rhubarb when I get the yen, or fresh apples and cider right out of the press.

          Aquaculture can work but one must be very careful and lose regulations and greed don't go well with being careful.

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            EWSflash RE: sal_acid Dec 30, 2013 07:37 PM

            Like they haven't been doing that for years?

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              scubadoo97 RE: sal_acid Jan 15, 2014 12:21 PM

              I haven't had a cold since eating Asian farm raised shrimp.

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                coll RE: scubadoo97 Jan 15, 2014 01:28 PM

                Oh if only that were true! I'd be pigging out every winter.

            2. coll RE: law_doc89 Dec 28, 2013 12:07 PM

              I think consumers are way too ignorant about supply and demand, and the chain of procurement including whatever issues are currently in the forefront. I really wish Red Lobster and the rest would reply honestly to these people, and educate them a bit, instead of trying to hide it.

              However most shrimp is farmed so I don't think this is the end, at all. The issue seems to be that consumers think it is a give away item.

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                ChiliDude RE: law_doc89 Dec 28, 2013 12:11 PM

                This is the 1st I've heard of the crisis. On Christmas Eve day I went to our local seafood store to pickup the 3 pounds of cleaned and cooked shrimp that I ordered a week in advance for our Christmas day dinner that was slated to have 13 people dining together. The shrimp was an appetizer. No one at the seafood store made any comment about the shortage.

                Maybe if the shrimp farmers literally clean up their act, the shrimp crisis will be ended. However, when the price of something has dramatically increased, it rarely decreases to a reasonable cost.

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                  EWSflash RE: ChiliDude Dec 30, 2013 07:39 PM

                  I'd be willing to pay more for a higher quality or less-diseased product. Just my take on it.

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                  acgold7 RE: law_doc89 Dec 28, 2013 03:59 PM

                  I think it's really interesting how there's just a tangential reference in the article to the whole AYCE thing -- the article really isn't about that at all -- and yet some people want to turn this bacterial issue into a political screed.

                  EMS isn't caused by, exacerbated by, or in any way affected by AYCE or Americans' eating habits. It's possibly enabled by -- as the article specifically notes -- *global* demand and the nature of Capitalism, because who wouldn't want to raise and sell as much as they possibly could (not that there's anything wrong with that)?

                  I have a friend who is a health inspector and his job is to travel around the world where they raise all sorts of things. He came back from a trip to Southeast Asia swearing never to touch the Shrimp from there and when I asked him why, he explained that they found they could grow their shrimp at twice the rate by simply building their Chicken Coops directly over their Shrimp ponds.

                  Now I try not to eat Asian Farmed Shrimp either, although intellectually I know this isn't much worse than what they normally eat.

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                    law_doc89 RE: acgold7 Dec 28, 2013 04:44 PM

                    My title was a bit tongue in cheek.

                    I do try to avoid any Asian fish and seafood, swai, shrimp,crayfish, etc. You would be surprised how much is palmed off as coming from the USA.

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                      sal_acid RE: law_doc89 Dec 28, 2013 05:03 PM

                      Not at all surprising. If we can't control what's in our foreign-made generic drugs, how can we police fish?

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                      EricMM RE: acgold7 Dec 29, 2013 10:57 AM

                      Actually, trust yourself. It is much worse than what the shrimp would normally eat. Shrimp are normally predators on whatever is small enough for them to grab, and scavengers. They do not eat poop. They do not live in water surrounded by bacteria...particularly enteric bacteria from terrestrial animals. Nor do they live in the sea of antibiotics needed to control those bacteria. I avoid any and all Asian farmed shrimp if I can....in fact, I have really lost my taste for shrimp, period. So much is treated with trisodium phosphate, or sodium tripolyphosphate, that the texture is ruined. Even shrimp that I buy at Trader Joes that claim to be wild and not have any STP taste and feel as if they have it. And the Maine shrimp season is shut down! I'll have to wait for the spot prawns in the spring......

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                        smoledman RE: EricMM Dec 29, 2013 11:27 AM

                        The logical consequences of overfishing.

                    3. JuniorBalloon RE: law_doc89 Dec 28, 2013 05:09 PM

                      Is this list not to be trusted? I purchase Tiger Shrimp from Costco that come from Vietnam. Pretty sure they are sourcing from the Selva farmed mfg'ers.

                      http://www.seafoodwatch.org/cr/Seafoo...

                      This is hardly the end of shrimp, but people that use poor practices will be the ones that have to change.

                      jb

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                        sal_acid RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 28, 2013 05:31 PM

                        Who knows who to trust? Studies I can't recall document that a large percentage (25%?)of supermarket fish is not only not from where it is claimed to be from; it isn't even the species claimed.

                        Policing the oceans and warehouses and packing plants is hard.

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                          EWSflash RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 30, 2013 07:41 PM

                          I hope so. as of a couple of years ago, Costco posted an article in their magazine outlining how they monitored their shrimp farms.

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                          jaykayen RE: law_doc89 Dec 29, 2013 11:13 AM

                          Festering Asian shrimp farms?

                          Trawl-caught Gulf shrimp that produces tons of bycatch?

                          No, thanks.

                          Check out the Monterey Bay Aquarium's list of what to avoid and what are good alternatives http://www.seafoodwatch.org/cr/Seafoo...

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                            Harts52 RE: law_doc89 Dec 29, 2013 11:17 AM

                            How anyone is supposed to function in this world without being continually on edge about what we are putting into our systems is beyond me. I don't know what is worse...the deplorable manner in which food is being produced, the deplorable media that rubs it's hands together in glee that their horror stories are "trending," or the bottom-feeders of the human variety that rub their hands together in glee that they have a new topic that gives them an avenue to trash someone else for nationality, politics, religion or [fill in the blank].

                            Good grief!!

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                              smoledman RE: Harts52 Dec 29, 2013 11:28 AM

                              It sure is tough living in the modern world.

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                                westsidegal RE: smoledman Jan 5, 2014 05:24 PM

                                truly a first world problem

                            2. ChefJune RE: law_doc89 Dec 30, 2013 10:59 AM

                              No. In fact, maybe it's the beginning of more care being taken and folks becoming aware that farming is not such a good idea.

                              I haven't bought farmed fish for pretty much ever. Wild may cost more, but I'd rather have less of a better product.

                              Hmmm we had wild Gulf shrimp last night!

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                                EWSflash RE: ChefJune Dec 30, 2013 07:42 PM

                                ChefJune, I really hope you're right.

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