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sunangelmb Dec 25, 2013 04:11 PM

My teenage son loves the melting pot, so for Christmas he asked for a fondue pot. We bought an electric cuisinart one, but because it was the floor model (don't wait until Christmas Eve to shop) if didn't come with a recipe book. He is a pretty unadventurous eater, so I was looking for an easy cheese recipe, or any other ideas. Cuisinart website was no help, so perhaps my fellow hounds can. Merry holidays to all.

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    josephnl Dec 25, 2013 04:22 PM

    This is the classic recipe. It can be reduced successfully to accommodate smaller groups.

    http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ra...

    1. sunshine842 Dec 25, 2013 04:23 PM

      this one, from West Bend, which is pretty traditional:
      http://westbend.com/about-us-recipes/recipes/fondue-pots/appetizers/swiss-cheese-fondue.html

      Do note the need for brandy/Kirsch -- here's the link to the original Good Eats episode where Alton Brown talks about the science behind making fondue (as opposed to a cheesy, gloppy mess): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKAHQ4YROk

      Transcript for that episode is here: http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/season...

      (the recipe given in this episode is very good -- the wine-based version in the West Bend recipe is the favorite at hour house)

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      1. re: sunshine842
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        gfr1111 Dec 26, 2013 03:55 AM

        Thanks for the helpful links, Sunshine842. I note that Alton Brown's recipe calls for 2 Tablespoons of cornstarch to 10 ounces of grated cheese, plus lemon juice, liquor, garlic, herbs. It appears that there is a lot more to fondue than just melting some cheese.

        1. re: sunshine842
          C. Hamster Dec 26, 2013 09:23 AM

          The brandy/kirsch is for flavoring purposes. The Good Eats transcript says so much. It can be left out.

          What can't be left out is the wine or beer (or in Good Eats example, hard cider)

          From Harold McGee:
          "The combination of cheese and wine is delicious but also savvy. The wine contributes two essential ingredients for a smooth sauce: water, which keeps the casein proteins most and dilute, and tartaric acid, which pulls the cross-linking calcium off of the casein proteins and binds tightly to it, leaving them glueless and happily separate. (Alcohol has nothing to do with fondue stability.) The citric acid in lemon juice will do the same thing. If it’s not too far gone, you can sometimes rescue a tightening cheese sauce with a squeeze of lemon juice or a splash of white wine."

          1. re: C. Hamster
            alkapal Dec 27, 2013 04:57 AM

            so one could use regular cider?

            i've taken to buying regular cider, then keeping it outside, as it "ages" into hard cider -- LOL

            every now and then i go "burp" the gallon jug.

            1. re: alkapal
              sunshine842 Dec 27, 2013 05:37 AM

              No, you need the alcohol to make it work.

              It needs to be hard cider.

              1. re: alkapal
                C. Hamster Dec 27, 2013 05:55 AM

                Fondue requires alcohol

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                  acgold7 Dec 28, 2013 12:23 AM

                  Nonsense. As you quote McGee on your own post above: (Alcohol has nothing to do with fondue stability.) Nor flavor; your simmer the wine or other alcoholic liquid to drive off the raw alcoholic boozy flavor and just leave the essence of the wine or beer or whatever it is. Otherwise you could melt the cheese far below the simmering point.

                  Alcoholic beverages just provide a means to insert water and acid. Anything that provides those things will do, whether or not it has actual alcohol in it. Alcohol itself is completely unnecessary. You could use lemonade if you liked the flavor.

                  Is there any point in pouring Everclear into a fondue?

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            mscoffee1 Dec 25, 2013 05:31 PM

            Is this not what you need?
            http://www.cuisinart.com/recipes/entrees/193.html
            in addition to cheese
            http://www.cuisinart.com/recipes/reci...

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            1. re: mscoffee1
              sunshine842 Dec 25, 2013 05:48 PM

              oh, geez -- 6 tsp of cornstarch? That' 2 tablespoons!

              Not only would that be enough to funk the flavor, that' more than enough to guarantee that you end up with a congealed mass of greasy ooze in the middle of the pot.

              By the way -- don't use pre-grated cheese -- it's been dusted with cornstarch -- see paragraph 2.

              1. re: sunshine842
                c oliver Dec 25, 2013 06:30 PM

                sunshine, I spot-checked a number of 'popular' sites and all seemed to have too much cornstarch. This one from David Lebovitz sounds much better:

                http://www.davidlebovitz.com/2010/11/...

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                  acgold7 Dec 26, 2013 12:32 AM

                  Actually, the more cornstarch you use, the *less* likely it is to clump and separate (which is what I assume you mean by a congealed mess of greasy ooze, and if I'm wrong I apologize), and two tbsp. for almost two pounds of cheese isn't that much. If you toss it with the grated cheese some of it will be left behind in the bottom of the bowl anyhow so it always seems to automatically self-correct.

                  And in reading the recipe I'm not so sure they are advising against pre-grated, as they say "(not processed)", which isn't the same thing. Processed gruyere, I think, is like Laughing Cow, which I think we all agree isn't ideal for fondue. Pre-grated is dusted with cornstarch as you say, so you could just omit some or all of your own cornstarch if you had to use it.

                  And one thing I've found is you can easily just dump all the cheese in at once and it is never a problem. People get terrified about doing it a handful at a time, just at the right pace, for absolutely no reason, and it scares them off and prevents them from doing a really great dish. It is one of the many Myths That Will Not Die.

                  1. re: acgold7
                    sunshine842 Dec 26, 2013 05:10 AM

                    no, *I* am recommending to not use pre-grated cheese -- mine would be the voice of experience.

                  2. re: sunshine842
                    C. Hamster Dec 26, 2013 09:25 AM

                    Cornstarch is also essential to fondue. Per the Good Eats link you posted.

                    2T likely isn't too much.

                  3. re: mscoffee1
                    sunangelmb Dec 26, 2013 07:23 PM

                    Argh, for some reason when I clicked on this by googling the site, I kept getting the 404 message, but your link worked. Thanks

                  4. Njchicaa Dec 26, 2013 04:25 AM

                    I use a mixture of shredded cheese (cheddar, colby, edam, etc.), a clove or two of finely chopped garlic, a finely chopped shallot, a big glug of white wine, and a tablespoon or two of corn starch,

                    I combine the shredded cheese and corn starch in a bowl and give it a good mix so all of the cheese is coated. Then I saute the garlic and shallot right in the fondue pot and add the cheese and wine when they are softened. My sister sometimes adds Herbes de Provence which is a nice touch.

                    We serve with bread, breadsticks, and pretzel rods.

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                      Springhaze2 Dec 26, 2013 11:06 AM

                      I use the same technique as Njchicaa, combine the grated cheese with the corn starch or flour in a bowl. Saute the garlic, onion or shallot in the fondue pot, add the wine and stir in the cheese. I don't usually use Kirsch.

                      As somebody else mentioned, buy a block of cheese and grate it yourself the already shredded cheese just does not work as well. The better the cheese the better the fondue.

                      While not traditional, here is a Cheddar Cheese and Beer Fondue your son might like. (Based on a recipe from The 125 Best Fondue Recipes cookbook)

                      6 oz Monterey Jack Cheese grated
                      4 oz Gruyere cheese, grated
                      4 oz Extra sharp Cheddar cheese grated
                      1 1/2 tbsp all-purpose flour
                      2 tablespoons diced onion
                      1 cup lager beer at room temperature
                      1 tsp dry mustard
                      (optional a dash of hot sauce)

                      Directions, mix the cheeses with the flour and stir to coat. Saute the onion in the fondue pot for a few minutes, put the beer in the fondue pot and heat to medium low. Start adding the cheese stirring after each addition, stir in the dry mustard at the end.

                      1. re: Springhaze2
                        alkapal Dec 27, 2013 04:50 AM

                        yes, the pre-grated cheeses have been tossed in some anti-stick coating….

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                          acgold7 Dec 28, 2013 12:17 AM

                          Yes, a strange bizarre substance known as cornstarch.

                          1. re: acgold7
                            alkapal Dec 28, 2013 06:29 AM

                            smarty.

                            for sargento, at least, you are wromg.

                            "Powdered cellulose is a white, odorless, tasteless, totally natural powder made from cellulose, a naturally occurring component of most plants. It won’t absorb moisture because of its fibrous, non-gel structure. When added to shredded cheese, cellulose prevents the cheese from sticking together. Calcium carbonate and potato starch are also natural ingredients. They pass through your body as any food does. They’re not harmful.
                            Sargento sprinkles very small amounts of these anti-caking agents on all varieties of our shredded cheeses, which helps ensure our cheese is easier for consumers to use."

                            ~~~~~~~~
                            you see, i used to do food and drug ;law, and one of our clients was a manufacturer of sodium aluminosilicate, another famous anti-caking agent.

                            further, if in fact the pre-shredded cheeses used cornstrach only, then there would not be any problem in using that cheese if the recipe also included cornstarch, right?

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                              acgold7 Dec 28, 2013 12:24 PM

                              No argument. But where do they get their cellulose? Most likely from corn. So it's basically cornstarch.

                              But thanks for the added info about one specific ingredient used by one specific company in one part of the country after making a blanket statement about all coatings on all cheeses.

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                                alkapal Dec 28, 2013 12:54 PM

                                oh good grief.

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                                  acgold7 Dec 28, 2013 04:42 PM

                                  Exactly, my friend.;-)

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                      INDIANRIVERFL Dec 26, 2013 04:59 AM

                      You have the wine faction, and the Kirschwasser faction. I like them both. Be aadvised that you need KW at 100 proof or greater.

                      One half of the cheese should be gruyere, the other half swiss.

                      Do not use lite or skim milk cheese.

                      Add some nutmeg with the cornstarch. Then correct for flavor.

                      Every piece of bread has to have some crust so it will have a better chance holding together while dunking.

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                        sunshine842 Dec 26, 2013 05:11 AM

                        Folks in Europe will tell you that you need wine as the base, with Kirschwasser as an enhancement. (that's how I make mine - I use brandy if I don't happen to have Kirsch)

                        1. re: sunshine842
                          C. Hamster Dec 28, 2013 09:14 AM

                          +1

                        2. re: INDIANRIVERFL
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                          josephnl Dec 28, 2013 09:52 AM

                          Oh...Gruyere is not "Swiss cheese"? I think what you mean to say is that the most commonly used cheeses for a traditional Swiss fondue are a combination of Gruyere and Emmenthaler.

                          1. re: josephnl
                            C. Hamster Dec 29, 2013 11:57 AM

                            Yes. Gruyere is Swiss cheese.

                            I also use gruyere and emmental.

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                              josephnl Dec 29, 2013 04:13 PM

                              Of course Gruyere is Swiss cheese. I was being overly snarky...sorry!

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                          BobtheBigPig Dec 26, 2013 10:13 AM

                          We just got a raclette maker for Christmas so will be clogging our arteries in a similar, er, "vein!"

                          The "classic fondue recipes" which have been posted here are great and will make the dish you are expecting.

                          However, last year I had the good fortune to spend a week in Switzerland, where I became a Cheese Snob. Fondue is truly all about the cheese. The cheeses there are mind-blowingly good and significantly funkier than most in the USA, although good cheese shops stateside can set you up.

                          The fondue we ate in the Valais region was made from Vacherin and Gruyere cheese. Other renditions are made with raclette cheese. We even had an amazing gorgonzola version.

                          They also use a distinctive and delicious white wine, Fendant, which I cannot find in Los Angeles anywhere, but will keep looking.

                          My plan this winter is to recreate these fragrant apres-ski treats at incredible expense.

                          If you have a good cheese shop in your area that stocks real imported swiss cheeses (the artisan cheeses made by Rolf Beeler are the real deal) and are up for a Euro-splurge, you and your son are in for a real treat!

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                          1. re: BobtheBigPig
                            C. Hamster Dec 26, 2013 11:53 AM

                            I agree. You have to use (affecting Ina here) really good cheese to make a good fondue

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                              Springhaze2 Dec 26, 2013 12:27 PM

                              I have similar memories from a few weeks spent in the Swiss Alps several years ago. The cheeses there were so amazing.

                              When were were living in New Jersey, it was possible to buy some of the cheeses to duplicate that experience. I really love the raclette tradition with boiled potatoes and accompaniments. Now we live in rural NC and there are no cheese shops anywhere. Do you know of any good online sources? Your post gave me an overwhelming craving for some good funky European cheese.

                              What do you like to serve with melted raclette? I like to use fingerling potatoes, cornichons and pickled onions. Have you found a good stateside replacement for the dry beef?

                              1. re: Springhaze2
                                alkapal Dec 27, 2013 04:49 AM

                                murray's cheese online.

                                you don't have a harris teeter nearby? they'll have some good cheeses.

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                                  C. Hamster Dec 27, 2013 05:56 AM

                                  Formaggio online too

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                                    Springhaze2 Dec 27, 2013 07:27 AM

                                    There is a Harris Teeter about 40 minutes away. Might be worth the trip. I hadn't thought of that.

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                                      alkapal Dec 28, 2013 06:29 AM

                                      wow -- we are spoiled around here -- there are so many within very little distance -- one only a couple of miles. 40 miles is a long way to go for some good cheese, considering the price of gas. i'd def. look online and calculate shipping costs.

                                      that is what i'd consider, unless you want to do some other shopping at HT -- right now there are sales on beef tenderloin, roasts, ham and the like. after new year's of course, the hams and turkeys will go on sale, big time. ;-).

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                                        Springhaze2 Dec 29, 2013 04:26 PM

                                        Funny how perceptions are different depending on where you are. I have to drive 10 miles just to get to the nearest Food Lion. I can drive 40 minutes to an HT or about an hour and a half to a town that has a Trader Joe's and a Whole Foods. Will just have to plan a trip sometime soon.

                              2. sunangelmb Dec 26, 2013 07:22 PM

                                You guys are the best. Thanks so much. Will report back with (hopeful) success.

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                                  josephnl Dec 26, 2013 08:59 PM

                                  It's really not a big deal. It's, of course, the cheese that makes the difference. Heat a glass or so of good white wine, add a pound or so of good grated cheese (I prefer Gruyere and Emmenthaler) mixed with a few teaspoons of cornstarch, thin it out as necessary with kirschwasser (or more wine)...and that's it. Sure, flavoring the pot with garlic is traditional, and other seasonings...nutmeg, herbs, etc. are optional. Have plenty of crusty bread, parboiled veggies, fruit and whatever to dip. With a bit of extra kirschwasser to sip or a glass or two of wine to drink, you have a fondue party!

                                2. MsMaryMc Dec 26, 2013 08:25 PM

                                  This recipe gives you a great excuse for ordering some Cougar Gold Cheese http://cougarcheese.wsu.edu/ --I never have any trouble finishing the leftovers! But you could also make this with any good sharp cheddar.

                                  Hard Apple Cider Cheese Fondue
                                  http://www.thecookingphotographer.com...

                                  1. alkapal Dec 27, 2013 04:48 AM

                                    look on sunset magazine's website. http://search.sunset.com/st-results.h...

                                    1. sunangelmb Jan 1, 2014 11:41 AM

                                      Total fondue success. Thank you all. The cheese blend was perfect, and the cuisinart is really easy to use. Chow pups loved it. Happy new year

                                      1. sunangelmb Jan 1, 2014 11:42 AM

                                        Fondue love

                                         
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                                          alkapal Jan 2, 2014 08:05 AM

                                          very nice of you to share your pups' photo with the fondue! happy new year all!

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                                          if you make fish fondue, is it called "findue"?

                                          1. re: alkapal
                                            eclecticsynergy Jan 19, 2014 04:40 PM

                                            alkapal writes, "if you make fish fondue, is it called findue?"

                                            I'm thinking that if you were to make two different pots of it, they could be fond une and fond deux.

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                                          Kristl Jan 17, 2014 09:44 AM

                                          I have always coated my cheese with plain flour and never had problems with my fondu.

                                          1. MSK Jan 17, 2014 04:44 PM

                                            I could very well have written this post!

                                            My college aged son invited us over to show off the new fondue skills he has developed from his holiday gift. He downloaded the melting pot recipe for the cheddar/beer version (of course he had the beer on hand). It was yummy!

                                            http://www.food.com/recipe/cheddar-ch...

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