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Market/ For Sale & Wanted Board?

ArleneisaTruck Dec 20, 2013 08:15 PM

I can't find one at first glance... does Chow Hound have a board specifically for buying/ selling/ trading cookware and other kitchen gear? Every other hobby forum that I visit (motorcycles, travel) has one, and with the cost and longevity of some of this stuff (pre 1900s cast iron anyone?), it makes sense to have a market where people take it seriously.

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  1. The Chowhound Team RE: ArleneisaTruck Dec 21, 2013 05:15 AM

    Our site isn't really set up to support one-on-one sales and trades. Unfortunately, we don't have private messaging or ways to track good vs. bad transactions or other tools, so it's an area we don't try to cover.

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      kaleokahu RE: The Chowhound Team Dec 29, 2013 05:10 PM

      Why would anyone need to "support" or "track" anything? Folks could just let others know they have something to sell or trade. You already let people post their e-mail addresses and propose Chow meet-ups. This isn't like financing interplanetary travel.

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        HillJ RE: kaleokahu Dec 29, 2013 07:28 PM

        Valid point. You suppose any CH could mention that they have something to trade or sell as it relates to the flow of thread discussion while mentioning that your email is on your profile without a board dedicated to it. I've given books away through CH doing just that and didn't run into any issue.

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          Servorg RE: HillJ Dec 30, 2013 05:31 AM

          People get litigious over the silliest of things these days and a board to sell and buy things is one of the hot button ones for sure. Giving away books is a whole different deal than charging folks for them. I can see this as one of those "no good deed goes unpunished deals" in which the "host" gets sued for not policing their commercial sales board better.

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            HillJ RE: Servorg Dec 30, 2013 05:52 AM

            It's also been my experience that what gets conveyed initially within a CH comment box and what actually gets conveyed offline can result in a private discussion leaving this site out of the conversation entirely. Folks place their emails within the profile page for any # of reasons.

            But even without some litigious bend, the forum turning into a bidding site would be entering into a different realm. Not something I would use.

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            kaleokahu RE: HillJ Dec 30, 2013 08:47 AM

            Hi, Hill:

            Well. that'd be one option, but I think a "Trading Post" board would be less distracting and an easier place to interact. Just allow a description and a contact e-mail, no discussion. Disclaim the shit out of any CH liability.

            Aloha,
            Kaleo

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              HillJ RE: kaleokahu Dec 30, 2013 12:00 PM

              If that type of forum within the CH board options was ever considered (ever) K, I would highly recommend it had a different entrance plan (think private access code/vendor registration) because if a trading post operates as an open swinging door both inside the swimming pool and by visitors just browsing the vending area you'll have plenty of interaction and a great deal of distraction.

              I believe a trading board could be another website for CH entirely.

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                kaleokahu RE: HillJ Dec 30, 2013 07:04 PM

                Hi, HillJ:

                Verstehen ihn nict das "entrance plan", but OK, it sounds good to me. I was assuming that only folks who register and log in would have access, but you make a good point.

                Who knows what it'd do to all the behind-the-scenes advertising tie-ins/sponsorships/reviews/entanglements? All I know is that there are lots of folks on CH who wouldn't have to write off some of their unwanted stuff at a complete loss or to a landfill, and people who want it, especially if it came from another Hound.

                Aloha,
                Kaleo

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                  HillJ RE: kaleokahu Dec 30, 2013 08:30 PM

                  Oh I'm not saying there isn't a marketplace in the making. I'm suggesting it's worthy of its own website.

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                    kaleokahu RE: HillJ Dec 31, 2013 09:06 AM

                    And what would be the problem with it just being another board within CH? I'd much rather trade with other Hounds.

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                      HillJ RE: kaleokahu Dec 31, 2013 09:44 AM

                      Well if I owned the site, which I opened to members free of charge, including all the responsibility that goes with ownership, I wouldn't be eager to create a trade/selling board for members.

                      However, if I saw the potential to spin the CH community into a new/additional site of food related trade, I might consider another venture entirely.

                      I wouldn't combine the two. As it stands right now, the only straight up product endorsement that lies on the fringe of PR/marketing/encouraging sales is the fairly new CHOW Product Review section. Where the Staff at CHOW are actually sharing prices, marketplace outlets, product testing on a scale and detailing 'professional' review. The type of endorsement you would find on any retail/wholesale merch site.

                      Trading is commerce btwn users. You used the word problem. I didn't. I see this idea as a potential spin off for the owners of this site. But, I see no reason why CH's couldn't contact each other via email offline and make whatever connections they want.

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                        kaleokahu RE: HillJ Dec 31, 2013 12:58 PM

                        Hi, HillJ:

                        It's not the *connection* that's missing--of course Hounds can, if they want, e-mail between themselves. What's missing is the knowledge of what one person wants or another wants to get rid of.

                        I can't cite you chapter and verse of the "rules", but I know it's kapu to use the existing boards to try to sell something. I generally agree with that proscription, because it would be both a dilution and a distraction to do otherwise (just as it would be to have only East and West regional boards).

                        Thankfully, the Mods have relaxed a little bit, insofar as they often ignore a subtle "Shoot me an e-mail, I might be able to fix you up" posting here or there. But if that becomes commonplace on various boards, it could become a problem. That's why I thought the OP's suggestion was a great idea.

                        I'm also not understanding your concern about "endorsement". Allowing someone to say they have a hard-to-get culinary item (so that a private transaction might happen, later, entirely outside of CH) isn't an endorsement of anything, IMO.

                        I'm morbidly fascinated by the reflexive resistance of some Hounds to the mere *idea* of any user-suggested change to this site. Remember the kerfuffle that ensued when I foolishly suggested the Hawaii board be retitled Hawai'i?

                        Personally, if there's a separate Trading Post board established strictly for purposes of letting parties find each other, I can't see any downside for people who don't want to participate. I don't really see a downside for CBS or the Mods, either. Quite to the contrary, I see such a board as a real boon for the site and its participants. What's the worst that could happen? You take the board down if it doesn't work?

                        Aloha,
                        Kaleo

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                          HillJ RE: kaleokahu Dec 31, 2013 01:49 PM

                          I'm not sure I've ever seen a CH board taken down, a few were consolidated. I wouldn't be quick to dismiss the work involved to create a new board with the notion that it could then be taken down if it didn't work out.

                          Commerce on this board would include everyone registered and logging in to comment, right?

                          I'll use an example. I open an OP to sell a menu collection I have, originally bought at auction when a very famous chain of hotels went under. You tell me, how would I use this site to sell or trade what I have to buyers within a board? Would I need to upload photos, provide my personal info, take bids, listen to the give & take from CH's about what they think the collection is worth? Answer questions about the back story on the collection? Would these questions come from just interested buyers or anyone with a curiosity about what I'm selling or trading? Without money on the table, am I wasting my time (this isn't Ebay). Am I really going to discuss at length what I own on an anonymous forum?

                          Or, would the entire transaction be better, safer more mutually beneficial if the CH interested just emailed me offline?

                          1. re: HillJ
                            ArleneisaTruck RE: HillJ Dec 31, 2013 02:23 PM

                            It may seem complicated if you've never seen it in practice, I can admit. Its a self policing thing. For example, I post at an unnamed adventure motorcycling forum. Recently, I was looking for a rare vintage pannier for my BMW.

                            I posted a picture of the exact pannier I wanted in the WTB section (one of two, along with WTS), and stated what I was looking to spend. Theres some back and forth over a dealer stockpile someone saw last in the 90s, and eventually the retired dealer himself replied. At that point it moved to private messages as the discussion no longer needed to be public.

                            Now I could have set up craigslist and ebay alerts, but I never would have found one. Its the kind of thing best left to the nerds of that specific hobby. I don't have to sift through fanny packs with a BMW patch sewn on to find what I need.

                            Its pretty organic, and the owners of the forum disclaim away involvement and don't intervene if things go bad. There is a sticky with transaction reviews and a mod keeps a loose tally of trusted sellers at the top. I never check it unless the guy is new to the forum or otherwise mysterious. Most people aren't trading huge amounts of money, and they take the risk inherent. Bad deals happen, but its rare. The effort of joining a board, getting a post history, just to scam $100 off someone? Doesn't really happen.

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                              HillJ RE: ArleneisaTruck Dec 31, 2013 02:41 PM

                              I appreciate hearing about your experience and your perspective, especially since you brought up the idea. I'd love to be proven over cautious. But I have used and been involved in industry sales and trading for my own personal collection over 45 years. I've witnessed both online and off great deals and my share of scam, bothersome, time consuming BS. You play, you take the chance. But nothing like this has ever been tried on CH before so I have absolutely no way of knowing if a Board that can lead to sales would work and work well. For me, how much money could change hands is completely secondary to the idea of a forum in the first place.

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                                HillJ RE: ArleneisaTruck Dec 31, 2013 02:49 PM

                                And welcome to CH. I see this is your first post.

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                                kaleokahu RE: HillJ Dec 31, 2013 02:49 PM

                                Hi, HillJ:

                                I wasn't envisioning any comment. What I had in mind was just allowing any Hound to post a listing, doesn't need to have any price at all. If another Hound wants or is interested in the item, you make them do any deal directly, outside CH. The purpose of the board would only be to help put the two parties together. I suppose you'd want to let the OP pull down their post, or have some auto-expire feature to get rid of stale listings, but that'd be it.

                                So in your example, you might list: "Cool original menu collection from X Hotels, 190___ to 20___. Y in all. Pristine condition, etc., etc. Contact me at my listed e-mail to explore this further." The ability to post a photo or two would be nice, I think, but not totally necessary if it causes constipation at CBS Legal.

                                It would be up to one Hound to decide to post (and e.g., haggle, or to ask for remuneration), and the other hound to, e.g., ask questions, offer payment, arrange shipping, etc. It wouldn't be as hassle-free as eBay, but it *would* have the trust (and sophistication, etc.) advantages of knowing you're dealing with a fellow Hound. I'll take those vicissitudes over Craigslist, Freecycle or even eBay, any day.

                                Seems to me that it might draw more new Hounds to the other boards--*and lift the paid ad views*--as well.

                                Aloha,
                                Kaleo

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                                HillJ RE: kaleokahu Dec 31, 2013 02:54 PM

                                I don't think Chowhound needs to be Ebay, Craigslist or Etsy. Folks can connect within a comment box and pursue a discussion offline. Even on Ebay talking to a seller is done off the bidding area.

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                                  kaleokahu RE: HillJ Dec 31, 2013 03:08 PM

                                  Hi, HillJ: "I don't think Chowhound needs to be Ebay, Craigslist or Etsy."

                                  I don't either, FWIW, but those sites are far different that what I envision and what I understand the OP was proposing.

                                  Let me give *you* an example. Say I have a duck press I love, but don't use. I want it to go to someone who is a foodie. Sure, I can list it on the sites you mention, but what if there's a fellow Hound who's looked for a used one for years (no hypothetical there!)? Bingo, they know to hook up their complementary interest *by virtue* of participating here, rather than spending fruitless hours sorting wheat from chaff elsewhere.

                                  I think it would be a natural, easy adjunct to what CH already does. No one's forced to look at ads, nobody gets dissed or flamed, Hounds deal with Hounds. THAT's where I'd like to trade.

                                  Aloha,
                                  Kaleo

                                  1. re: kaleokahu
                                    Veggo RE: kaleokahu Dec 31, 2013 03:16 PM

                                    The administration of similar specialized sites involve expenses and requires revenues, far afield from the CH business model. Maybe a good idea for someone's start up site.

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                                      HillJ RE: kaleokahu Dec 31, 2013 03:17 PM

                                      Ah, but we can't customize the audience for such a board. If you post your duck press for sale on a CH Trading board do you believe you will only attract comments from those CH's interested in buying one?

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                                        kaleokahu RE: HillJ Jan 1, 2014 01:39 PM

                                        Please drop the idea of "comments". Yes, I'd expect the only Hounds to contact me would be interested.

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                                          sunshine842 RE: kaleokahu Jan 1, 2014 01:49 PM

                                          I think you'd be pretty shocked to find out what sort of creature actually contacted you, then, or how far off-topic their communications would actually be.

                                          My vote is for this sort of post to never show up on CH.

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                                            HillJ RE: sunshine842 Jan 1, 2014 05:07 PM

                                            I have to agree with you, sunshine842.

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                                              foodieX2 RE: sunshine842 Jan 1, 2014 05:15 PM

                                              agreed. ever posted on sites like craigslist? You would be amazed at some of the responses you get!

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                                                Jerseygirl111 RE: foodieX2 Jan 1, 2014 05:33 PM

                                                Yes but Craig's List is a specific site just for things like that. This is just a foodie forum where people would be able to trade off some used cookware.

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                                                  foodieX2 RE: Jerseygirl111 Jan 1, 2014 05:35 PM

                                                  Well technically I agree think about all the spam this place gets that we see, never mind the ones we don't. It s a false sense of community that spammers thrive on…

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                                                    sunshine842 RE: Jerseygirl111 Jan 1, 2014 05:36 PM

                                                    if you think for even a nanosecond that that would keep the creeps, spammers, and mental deviants from posting anything from annoying to repulsive garbage to your email/message box, you'd be horribly, horribly wrong.

                                                    There are some truly sick bastards out there, along with a lot of really annoying scam artists, and they will stop at nothing to spread their yuck.

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                                                    sunshine842 RE: foodieX2 Jan 1, 2014 05:33 PM

                                                    I moderate the discussion board on the company website, and I'm disgusted by what shows up in the moderation queue...and that's for a company website for a pretty unsexy product, not something offered by a private person.

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                                                      foodieX2 RE: sunshine842 Jan 1, 2014 05:43 PM

                                                      Exactly. I am a volunteer mod on an alternative parenting board-mostly hippy/earthy crunchy types and in the last 5 years many members were completely taken by a person posing as mom with cancer and one who was "on the run from an abusive husband". It was the false sense of community/commune that made people feel OK with paypal-ing $$, sending packages, etc. Those 2 were just ones that blew up and caused investigations. Who knows how many flew beneath the radar.

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                                                        HillJ RE: foodieX2 Jan 1, 2014 05:53 PM

                                                        And I've been an active seller & trader of highly collectible goods, mainly in the hotel industry category, and I've seen and dealt with enough nonsense right there on the screen for the whole community to read and get pissed off by before Mods come along and clean up to know it can be a real bother to try and have a conversation about trade & sell with interference coming in from a crowd of jerks with time to kill and no intention to trade, buy or sell.

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                                                          Jerseygirl111 RE: HillJ Jan 2, 2014 10:57 AM

                                                          Yes. But again, those are specific sites for buying/selling. I am imagining a place where you would put up a single post describing what you want or are getting rid of and for someone to contact you via your profile email. There should be no more spam than on any other boards as long as it's moderated. Much spam is automated (bots) and does not recognize an email address written out such as address-at-gee-mail-dot-com. Or add a simple captcha. Regardless you still have to register to post which slows some down.

                                                          More like classifieds. No back and forth on the board, all offsite. If you are afraid of a scammer, don't participate.

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                                                            HillJ RE: Jerseygirl111 Jan 2, 2014 12:30 PM

                                                            I am imagining a place where you would put up a single post describing what you want or are getting rid of and for someone to contact you via your profile email.
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                                                            And my very first and early posts to this thread stated that this type of setup wouldn't bother me in the least. Offline was what I suggested.

                                                            I also asked several times how fellow CH's would imagine such a board would run. I just didn't believe (& still don't) that a specific board for such exchanges is necessary.

                                                            If I was in a thread about duck presses and K mentioned he had one for sale and I was interested, I'd followup offline. Just like when I provided a hotel recipe offline to a CH during a conversation about the recipe.

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                                                              DuffyH RE: HillJ Jan 3, 2014 06:13 PM

                                                              <If I was in a thread about duck presses and K mentioned he had one for sale and I was interested, I'd followup offline.>

                                                              Sure, but what if you've always had it in mind to get a duck press, but missed the thread? This is where a dedicated board would be handy.

                                                              I've seen a lot of people upgrading, downsizing and getting rid of their never-used items in the last year. How nice if we could help each other out.

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                                                                HillJ RE: DuffyH Jan 3, 2014 06:27 PM

                                                                Hi DuffyH, I'm not sure why you're singling out a very small portion of what I wrote but I'm talked out on the subject. Perhaps another CH can chime in. Thanks.

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                                                                  DuffyH RE: HillJ Jan 4, 2014 09:41 AM

                                                                  HillJ,

                                                                  I was just pointing out the (imo) more likely scenario, wherein someone misses the OP because it's not on a thread they're following. Giving my opinion.

                                                                  I have no problem with the rest of what you wrote, as it's your opinion.

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                                                                    HillJ RE: DuffyH Jan 4, 2014 09:42 AM

                                                                    I understand.

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                                                            Jerseygirl111 RE: HillJ Jan 2, 2014 11:01 AM

                                                            Also, I can't imagine it would be anywhere near the sort of volume that would attract nutters.

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                                                              HillJ RE: Jerseygirl111 Jan 2, 2014 12:30 PM

                                                              Nutters might be looking for a peanut press, who knows :)

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                                                                masha RE: Jerseygirl111 Jan 2, 2014 12:49 PM

                                                                Not sure what you mean by "nutters"; as others have mentioned, the main concern would be participants who might use the site to engage in fraudulent transactions. I don't know that the volume would need to be all that large before some fraudsters would try to take advantage of it.

                                                                I'm thinking of a FB group that I belong to that until recently was "open." The group is dedicated to reminiscing about the community where we all grew up. Although the group has no commercial or transactional purpose, every few weeks someone (with no affiliation to that community) would join the group and start posting completely off-topic discussions to promote commercial schemes, religious agendas, and porn. Similarly, if there were an opportunity to make $$ by illegitimate means on CH, there are some lowlifes who would try to do so.

                                                                CH just is not set up to police for participants posing as someone who they are not. (I'm thinking of the comments the CH mods took down around Thanksgiving with respect to certain NAF posts that involved such egregiously bad manners that some CH'ers (myself included) questioned whether the incidents occurred. The mods' response was that they are not in a position to verify the veracity of posts so comments of that nature were inappropriate.)

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                                                                  sunshine842 RE: Jerseygirl111 Jan 2, 2014 04:10 PM

                                                                  all it takes to attract nutters is an active website.

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                                                                    kaleokahu RE: sunshine842 Jan 2, 2014 07:44 PM

                                                                    Hi, sunshine:

                                                                    Wow this entire "nutters" thing seems, um, nutty to me. If the issue is that some malcontent will respond to someone's ad for an ulterior motive, the ad poster can simply ignore it, block the sender, etc. No one but the ad listor would be subject to ANY unwanted traffic whatsoever. Other than a very simple moderation pass to screen out inappropriate listings (a la the current policy of dealing with restaurant employees and shills), what would be the heavy burden on the administration?

                                                                    All this NIMBY talk is sounding more like guarding against all that voter fraud (that's not going on).

                                                                    Aloha,
                                                                    Kaleo

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                                                                      Jerseygirl111 RE: sunshine842 Jan 6, 2014 11:52 AM

                                                                      "all it takes to attract nutters is an active website"

                                                                      As evidenced by Chowhound itself! ;-)

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                                                                        sunshine842 RE: Jerseygirl111 Jan 6, 2014 06:23 PM

                                                                        no argument there.

                                                                        Most folks here are reasonably sane, but there are a few....

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                                                                  sunshine842 RE: foodieX2 Jan 1, 2014 06:28 PM

                                                                  yep- used to be a mod on a gardening forum, and there were things that just left us collectively shaking our heads as we deleted entire threads, not just individual posts.

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                                                                    HillJ RE: sunshine842 Jan 1, 2014 06:32 PM

                                                                    Did these forums include actually selling merchandise btwn members?

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                                                                      sunshine842 RE: HillJ Jan 1, 2014 06:39 PM

                                                                      none at all -- but we had a couple of posters who went off on weird tangents, like trying to save other posters by spreading their version of religion (and who, after receiving multiple emails from various mods, and having multiple preachy threads yanked, resorted to some of the most vile pottymouthed rants I've seen in a while before being banned) -- a few who headed down the path of foodiex2's "scam artists" taking advantage of people's good nature by hinting that they needed money (nobody sent money that we could find, but they were playing the sympathy card long and hard with pm's that were forwarded to the mods by people who smelled a rat) -- lots of people selling their idea of the latest and greatest garden thingamajigs...

                                                                      If a noncommercial site can get that bogged down in money transactions when there are none being solicited, I can't imagine what a mess would be on a site where it's the purpose of the board.

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                                                                        foodieX2 RE: HillJ Jan 1, 2014 06:40 PM

                                                                        Ours did. There were a bunch of different categories. One was called the trading post which was member to member. Another was for people to link up/cross reference their own sites like Etsy, another was to post ISO's and yet another for swaps. Some crazy shit showed up often.

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                                                                kaleokahu RE: sunshine842 Jan 2, 2014 09:55 AM

                                                                Hi, HillJ:

                                                                I've never been shocked by a person who's responded to a want ad.

                                                                If *you* don't want to deal with someone, don't answer their response. If you don't want the *possibility* of dealing with someone, don't place--or respond to--any ads. If you don't want to read ads, don't go to that board. Sheesh.

                                                                If you merely don't want *others* to be able to use such a feature--despite it not affecting you one iota-- that's pretty weird.

                                                                Aloha,
                                                                Kaleo

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                                                                  HillJ RE: kaleokahu Jan 2, 2014 10:00 AM

                                                                  The only thing I find weird is you singling me out and suggesting what I do with my time.

                                                                  This OP asks the question that many of us asked about a Cheese board, a Gardening board, threads about feeding our pets. And, at the time those ideas were discussed with the same yeah/nay enthusiasm. I'm answering the OP. You don't agree with what I have to say then pls take your own advice and don't read what I've written.

                                                                  Pretty weird to offer advice not taken.

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                                                                    Servorg RE: HillJ Jan 2, 2014 10:14 AM

                                                                    Not only what you've written here in your reply, but k'leo's post wasn't in reply to one of your posts above, but rather it was in reply to something written by sunshine842. This is all rather amusing given k'leo's line in his post about "If *you* don't want to deal with someone, don't answer their response." Yeah. Or perhaps don't reply to the wrong person?

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                                                                      HillJ RE: Servorg Jan 2, 2014 10:18 AM

                                                                      How did you catch that and I didn't? Funny that. Time to truck on..

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                                                                      kaleokahu RE: HillJ Jan 2, 2014 10:28 AM

                                                                      Hi, HillJ:

                                                                      Sorry, I *was* responding to Sunshine. The point about not having to deal with people on a simple sale board is appropos, though.

                                                                      I was suggesting you spend your time doing what pleases you, not what bothers you. That could be Masochistic or not, your choice.

                                                                      Aloha,
                                                                      Kaleo

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                                                                        HillJ RE: kaleokahu Jan 2, 2014 10:29 AM

                                                                        You're a trip K, happy new year!

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                                                                  HillJ RE: kaleokahu Jan 1, 2014 05:08 PM

                                                                  Now you've confused me.

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                                            HillJ RE: kaleokahu Jan 2, 2014 08:23 PM

                                            Kaleo, since CH already has a very active, member engaged, Cookware board why aren't you pitching the idea there? Why aren't you posting your duck press for sale there? If you aren't asking for much more than just a way to share information, why wait for a special and separate board. If you don't need support or tracking just a simple box to post your item for sale then why not just do it? According to you, only CH's interested in a duck press for sale would respond or bother to read your thread. What have you got to lose?

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                                              kaleokahu RE: HillJ Jan 2, 2014 08:36 PM

                                              Hi, HillJ: "...Cookware board why aren't you pitching the idea there? Why aren't you posting your duck press for sale there?"

                                              Because it's against the rules. And also because people *can* post responses--it would subject all Cookware readers to exactly the (non) problems you have ID'd in this thread, "nutters", etc. Even *I* would be against that, because it would definitely dilute and distract. It would be akin to letting NAF posts be made on General Topics.

                                              No such problem if it was its own board, with no "Reply" option.

                                              Aloha,
                                              Kaleo

                                              PS: The duck press was a hypothetical.

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                                                HillJ RE: kaleokahu Jan 2, 2014 08:50 PM

                                                I know, the duck press was random (it was also convenient for my purposes just now). And now in context I better understand where you and I agree and disagree.

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                                                  kaleokahu RE: HillJ Jan 2, 2014 08:59 PM

                                                  Hi, HillJ:

                                                  That's cool.

                                                  I still *want* a duck press, though--both for ducks and to make crustacean butters. Our friend INDIANRIVERFLA had one, but recently gave it to his daughter [sobs softly].

                                                  Aloha,
                                                  Kaleo

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                                                    HillJ RE: kaleokahu Jan 2, 2014 09:01 PM

                                                    What particular style of duck press? Table top, floor model, any particular metal color? New, old, vintage?

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                                                      kaleokahu RE: HillJ Jan 2, 2014 09:17 PM

                                                      Hi, HillJ:

                                                      Well, the *right* way to do it is sterling (Christofle, please), but I'd take it in nickel-plated brass, SS or even brass or bell metal. I think table- or countertop. New or vintage, but I like vintage things.

                                                      My biggest problem is that these are usually ghastly expensive--in any metal. For me to afford one, it would have to be quite a "pick".

                                                      Aloha,
                                                      Kaleo

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                                                        HillJ RE: kaleokahu Jan 2, 2014 11:19 PM

                                                        Now we just had a quick conversation about a thing you are looking around for. No ducks were harmed in the course of that exchange and if I came upon a "pick" I'd reach out to you. Seems pretty simple.

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                                                          kaleokahu RE: HillJ Jan 3, 2014 10:24 AM

                                                          Hi, HillJ:

                                                          Not the object lesson you planned...

                                                          Yes, we--you and I--had a conversation, but any other Hound with a duck press to offer who missed it would have to dig the reference out (from Site Talk, really?) not knowing I wanted one. And many Hounds intent on reading about the Site would suffer our banter in the process.

                                                          Are you now in favor of changing the rules to allow sales listings to clutter all boards (a 180 from your starting argument, by the way)? If so, how would you feel about me listing "Duck Press Wanted!" on multiple boards, just so random readers-with-presses might know my interest?

                                                          Such a needle/haystack approach simply would not work. A listing *of* needles would.

                                                          Aloha,
                                                          Kaleo

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                                                            HillJ RE: kaleokahu Jan 3, 2014 10:45 AM

                                                            No my opinion hasn't changed. If I was looking for a duck press I wouldn't come to a food community for it. When I visit the Cookware board to read the threads I'm learning what new gadgets are out there, how folks are using them and what they like don't like. I'm not looking for advice on collecting or looking for a item to buy from a member of CH.

                                                            But if this site were ever to expand into the arena of online selling and provide the appropriate space for the right type of approach, I'd take a look at it...and then decide.

                                                            But, right now, no my opinion about that type of opportunity becoming a new part of the current Board lineup hasn't changed for the reasons we both seemed to agree on earlier in this thread.

                                                            Be glad it's not up to me.

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                                                              kaleokahu RE: HillJ Jan 3, 2014 03:47 PM

                                                              Oh, OK... It seemed you first said that ad hoc mentions would clutter, and then said that *our* hypothetical demonstrated how ad hoc would work.

                                                              Sounds like you just don't like the idea. That's cool.

                                                              Aloha,
                                                              Kaleo

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                                                                HillJ RE: kaleokahu Jan 3, 2014 04:43 PM

                                                                Yeah, I did a good deal of thinking out loud on this thread (typing) I probably should have just kept my thoughts to myself. Thanks for being patient.

                                        2. ArleneisaTruck RE: ArleneisaTruck Dec 21, 2013 02:20 PM

                                          Thanks for the explanation- love this board so far!

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                                            ultimatepotato RE: ArleneisaTruck Dec 30, 2013 06:48 AM

                                            I was going to say - very difficult to monitor sales/exchanges and all the stuff that goes on.

                                            And quite possibly the same reason the occassionally punted singles board isn't here either - when you see how heated threads on tipping, manners and not paying for drinks get, can you imagine throwing in bad dates and failed crock pot exchanges?

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                                              Servorg RE: ultimatepotato Dec 30, 2013 06:50 AM

                                              "...can you imagine throwing in bad dates and failed crock pot exchanges?"

                                              Or dating crackpots...never a good outcome.

                                            2. ipsedixit RE: ArleneisaTruck Dec 30, 2013 07:07 PM

                                              Craigslist

                                              1. alarash RE: ArleneisaTruck Jan 1, 2014 08:15 PM

                                                I have an interest in coffee, and visit a neat web site with which y'all may be familiar called coffeegeek.

                                                They have lots of forums for similar threads as CH, but regarding coffee. One of the many forums is a Buy,Sell,Trade forum where people list their stuff for sale. It ain't complicated, and the site has never had any problems with it of which I am aware.

                                                The main advantage of buying from coffeegeek is that you know you're buying from an expert, not an idiot. For example, I might find a particular espresso machine made by company X, model number Y, for sale on ebay for $400. That price might be a bargain. However, the condition of the item may not be clear, as the seller might be an expert in coffee, or may know nothing about the item he is selling.

                                                The same machine sold on coffeegeek often costs more, may $600-$800. But often the seller is an expert, can tell you the provenance, the most recent tune-up, parts that may have been recently replaced or that may need to be replaced.

                                                Neither is better than the other, but both are nice. I love to hunt for bargains on ebay. But, I'd also love to buy things (particularly uncommon or rare things) from experts like Hounds. I think I'd be more likely to know what I'm getting when buying from one of you.

                                                A buy/sell/trade forum would be vastly different from craigslist as well, because there is a sense of community here. I feel like I sort of know many of you a little, and trust you.

                                                I think it would work out fine.

                                                http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/...

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                                                  sunshine842 RE: alarash Jan 1, 2014 08:21 PM

                                                  I can't see any more reason to trust someone on one forum over another.

                                                  People can and will make up whatever it is they think someone wants to hear (e.g., eBay, Craigslist, vrbo, etc., etc. etc.). A specialized forum just makes it specialized lying.

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                                                    HillJ RE: alarash Jan 1, 2014 09:04 PM

                                                    I'm somewhat familiar with coffeegeek. But you lost me at
                                                    knowing sellers over there are experts. I don't see credentials proving that. Nor do I see that being an expert is a requirement. You also lost me at your comparison being a better bet than over at Ebay where sellers are previous owners, professionals in the business, wholesalers and garbage pickers. You lost me at craigslist is different. Craigslist is a community; a community that covers dozens and dozens of topics, not just one. And I'm not going to assume or insult anyone about trust when the truth is I don't know you and you don't know me.

                                                    There is a sense of community at CH and that includes voicing when we have doubts and concerns about ideas like this one.

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                                                      Jerseygirl111 RE: HillJ Jan 2, 2014 11:12 AM

                                                      Craigslist is different. It is run by the community, unlike Chow. Also Craigslist is HUGE and it has questionable areas which attract people with unsavory intentions. I don't really know how to word it but y'all know what I am saying.

                                                      "There is a sense of community at CH and that includes voicing when we have doubts and concerns about ideas like this one."

                                                      I agree. And I always find your posts friendly and well thought out! But I think anyone with concerns needn't have to read that board. I only frequent 6 myself, it's as if the others don't exist.

                                                      Signed,
                                                      Garbage picker

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                                                        HillJ RE: Jerseygirl111 Jan 2, 2014 12:26 PM

                                                        Dear Garbage picker,
                                                        Your voice is as welcome as my own and anyone else weighing in on this topic. Does that really need to be said?

                                                        I happen to disagree with the way you and others have assessed how a board of this type would work on CH. Especially since we have no idea how the folks actually running this site would address it. The CHOW Team hasn't weighed in.

                                                        I'm content with what I've contributed to this thread and align with other CH's who have stated concerns with such an idea.

                                                        Signed,
                                                        Your friendly CH.

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                                                          Servorg RE: HillJ Jan 2, 2014 12:30 PM

                                                          The CH team did actually address the subject in the very first reply on this thread http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9286... and I assume since they aren't contemplating adding such a board they haven't gamed out how they would address running such a board.

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                                                            HillJ RE: Servorg Jan 2, 2014 12:31 PM

                                                            Sorry I should have been more specific. What I meant was the CH Team has not provided any detail to suggest they have changed their minds regarding adding a Tradepost board.

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                                                      HillJ RE: alarash Jan 2, 2014 01:17 PM

                                                      http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/...

                                                      I found their guidelines/forum rules for buy, sell & trade very interesting; especially the comment section. http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/memb...

                                                      You would need a Moderator dedicated to answering all the questions regarding rules.

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                                                        alarash RE: HillJ Jan 2, 2014 10:30 PM

                                                        The supermarket where I grew up had a cork bulletin board where people could leave a note or a small ad for a car, or a lost cat, or guitar lessons. I used to mow lawns growing up and I had my ad up there for people to contact me if I could provide them this service. It wasn't that long ago, and the city had a population of 100,000. No weirdos contacted me.

                                                        Now that we are in the internet era, I realize its easier for weirdos to cause problems. However, I think it unlikely they will extend their tentacles into a CH buy/sell/trade board. They certainly haven't created problems on coffeegeek's buy/sell/trade board.

                                                        Regarding the analogies to ebay sellers and craigslist sellers, I think the previous points hold. The mean subject expertise of a craigslist seller is low, and the mean subject expertise of an ebay seller is medium, while the mean subject expertise of a seller on a specialty forum is high.

                                                        It goes without saying that there is variation, but I'm talking about the average seller.

                                                        For example, you might find a typical brass tabletop french made duck press on craigslist for $300-$3000, because there are several sellers with low expertise on the subject of duck presses on CL.

                                                        On ebay, you might find a typical duck press for sale $1000-$3000. This is because there is comparatively higher expertise among sellers than on CL.

                                                        In a specialty forum such as CH, most folks know what a duck press is, as do most sellers. Not so on ebay or CL. You're less likely to find a steal on CH, but you're more likely to be getting it from someone who knows more about the item, and you can be more confident regarding what you are getting.

                                                        At least, this has been my experience, and I buy and sell extensively on ebay and CL, (and etsy, and specialty forums). I expect many of you do the same, and so I would expect many of you would have a similar experience and similar observations, but who knows.

                                                        But, fair enough.

                                                        We don't have to have a buy/sell/trade board. I'll keep buying and selling on ebay and CL.

                                                        Our loss.

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                                                          HillJ RE: alarash Jan 2, 2014 11:14 PM

                                                          About the only Mod questions I noticed from users of coffeegeek was related to complaints about chatter overtaking the boards and alerting the Mods.

                                                          As for how a buy/sell/trade board would pan out on CH, I have no idea because it doesn't exist (at least not yet). I read the Cookware boards daily, I rarely contribute. As for my own buying habits, I buy offline. I browse online. I call dealers. I attend auctions. I'm not an average seller.

                                                    3. tim irvine RE: ArleneisaTruck Jan 4, 2014 08:53 AM

                                                      Maybe this lends itself to one of Chem's famous surveys, something along the lines of "who has any of the following items they use rarely or never for which they wish they could find loving Chowhound- type homes: knives (state type), enameled CI (state type), sauté pans (state type), etc.)" and a companion survey listing pieces you just cannot find like a 24 cm lollipop handle or a tinned fluted pate mold or a certain size Mason Cash bowl (English, not Chinese) to round out a set.

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                                                        kaleokahu RE: tim irvine Jan 4, 2014 09:15 AM

                                                        Hi, Tim:

                                                        That might work on Cookware--once, or people could make it a Frankenthread. IMO, a pretty blunt instrument compared to what the OP suggested.

                                                        Aloha,
                                                        Kaleo

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                                                          Jerseygirl111 RE: kaleokahu Jan 6, 2014 12:25 PM

                                                          I understand people have concerns about nutters answerings ads or excess spam on the thread but those concerned are easily remedied.

                                                          Sample ads:

                                                          For sale: One brass French duck press. Immaculate condition, never used. Purchased in Paris after attending Mr. Hoity Toity Cooking Class. Super cheap only $1500. Serious inquiries only. Contact me at email-at-geemail-dot-com.

                                                          Free to Good Home: Flame LC Tangine. Can no longer use, allergic to Moroccan food. Has small scratch on lid. You pay shipping. Contact me at hypochondriac-at-geemail-com.

                                                          If/When spam shows up, it will be easy to identify:

                                                          Meet older women in your area! Seniors looking for fun, no commitment! Remember it's not the years left in your life, it's the life left in your years!

                                                          Easily moderated.

                                                          All responses and interaction will take place off site. I can't imagine nutters would be bothered to register here and post or respond to posts. Craig's List has much more opportunity to screw people due to the volume of posts and as someone mentioned, there probably will not be many bargains here. Giving away your Tangine would be no more fraught with problems than posting it anywhere else.

                                                          Also, if you are afraid of what could happen, don't participate. Don't post, don't respond, don't read the boards.

                                                      2. kaleokahu RE: ArleneisaTruck Jan 18, 2014 10:55 AM

                                                        Here's the way Chef Talk does it: http://www.cheftalk.com/f/20725/tradi...

                                                        I wouldn't even allow feedback, but hey...

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