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kevin Dec 2, 2013 11:28 AM

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    laxfoodfeedback Dec 2, 2013 11:51 AM

    do you mean ones still in business, or out of business (doesn't count?

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      kevin Dec 2, 2013 11:58 AM

      Either or

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      laxfoodfeedback Dec 2, 2013 11:52 AM

      Also just the food or service too?

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        jessejames Dec 2, 2013 12:21 PM

        Ez. Red medicine. The price and snootiness just another FU on top of mushy gross food. Apologies and no offense to its fans. Runner up, pinks

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          Ponder99 Dec 9, 2013 01:09 PM

          +1 on Red Medicine. Horrible atmosphere and service. The room is extremely loud and gets worse as the night goes on. God help you if you're at one of the 2 tops under the window looking into the kitchen. You'll sweat off the same amount of weight as you consume. The food doesn't make up for it and I hate seeing shared plates for tasting menus. The only redeeming thing about the place is the birch/redwood/whatever-tree ice dessert.

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            jessejames Dec 9, 2013 02:55 PM

            I thought desserts sucked too.

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              namstermonster Dec 9, 2013 05:25 PM

              which desserts have u tried there?? i've had all but the milk choco cream and thought they were superb.

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                jessejames Dec 9, 2013 07:51 PM

                I definitely had the vaunted maple ice thing. Some coconut puff thing too. I think they cook mushy food specially designed for toothless people.

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          Thor123 Dec 2, 2013 02:04 PM

          Fig & Olive

          1. wienermobile Dec 2, 2013 02:17 PM

            Is Jerry's Deli a considered a chain?

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              Servorg Dec 2, 2013 02:31 PM

              Yes...a choke chain.

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                SIMIHOUND Dec 2, 2013 03:35 PM

                Aw,you beat me to it. :)

              2. Baron Dec 2, 2013 02:34 PM

                Patreiili's in Culver City. Terrible.

                1. Ciao Bob Dec 2, 2013 03:16 PM

                  Sad to say, because I do love the food, but Bucato really makes me madder and madder.

                  I hate that it is impossible to reserve a table indoors for a party of four. A table for more than 4 isn't even fathomable unless you are Joni Mitchell or Henry Winkler; a story I cannot claim is positively true, but I have very strong suspicions that Bucato would not take my earlier-made request for a table for 6, on a night that found both of them celebrating birthdays.

                  Another time I called at the moment they allow reservations -- 9:30 AM -- and gotten right through and left a message (so I know I could not have been far down the line, most likely first) and this is on a weeknight, not a busy weekend. I begged for an indoor table for 4 because my elderly parents would be very uncomfortable outside. The did not accommodate us. My Dad nearly froze. The "heaters" outside are those pretty, triangular, glassed-in jobs that throw off less heat than a wooden kitchen match would.

                  The indoor set up is idiotic and the outdoor seating unworkable, other than on the handful of balmy evenings we get each year. And now that rain is starting I can not imagine what they will do to further infuriate the dining public.

                  From now on, I am only going by myself, or possibly with one other person, to sit at the bar.

                  At the moment, Bucato is my LEAST favorite restaurant in LA. By far.

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                    kevin Dec 2, 2013 03:46 PM

                    Damn, so tell me how you really feel about the joint.

                    But I'm guessing the food is still pretty darn good, correct ?

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                      whatsfordinner Dec 2, 2013 04:24 PM

                      The food is ok, though it's not good enough to support its reservation policies. I wonder if their policies are designed to accommodate weather - do they only seat people inside if it's raining? Do they tent the patios in the rain?

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                      Stravinsky Dec 2, 2013 05:22 PM

                      This sort of reads as a strangely glowing review of Bucato. The food most be almost unimaginably great if you're willing to put up with such infuriating policies haha

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                        chrishei Dec 4, 2013 04:33 PM

                        So much for the recent positive words from you before...

                        But yes, that interior is very problematic. I actually really like outdoors too, but for that space to be bigger than inside isn't logical at all.

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                          Ciao Bob Dec 4, 2013 06:20 PM

                          I think the food is great.

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                        silverlakebodhisattva Dec 2, 2013 03:39 PM

                        Doesn't seem like a very 'houndish topic. How awful do they have to be? Difficult to discern nuances of awfulness, or a reason to bother to do so...

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                          kevin Dec 2, 2013 03:47 PM

                          I guess it's not very chowish, but it may be.

                          One man's ... is another man's...

                          Like with Bucato, I would still be swayed to go there if I were swaying myself to go on my ownsome.

                        2. TonyC Dec 2, 2013 03:45 PM

                          I love this thread. Hopefully it hits 300 posts. That is all.

                          1. wienermobile Dec 2, 2013 04:02 PM

                            Gladstone's…need I say more?

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                              Miri1 Dec 2, 2013 04:13 PM

                              Darn. Jerry's was already mentioned.

                              Jan's on Beverly Blvd. Its jusf kind of... Blah...

                            2. A5 KOBE Dec 2, 2013 04:37 PM

                              El Coyote

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                                Bradbury Dec 2, 2013 04:43 PM

                                I was about to say Salt Creek Grille, but a quick glance at their website confirms that they in fact have 3 locations in SoCal, plus 2 in New Jersey.

                                None in between, presumably because midwesterners would have enough homespun common sense not to pay those prices for inedible steaks, watery drinks, and AWOL service.

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                                  granadafan Dec 2, 2013 08:24 PM

                                  Larchmont Pizza. Their big crust just unnecessarily fills you up. Their teeny shop is half taken up by never used reserved tables. They other tables outside are surrounded by flies and the misbehaving dogs.

                                  1. mucho gordo Dec 3, 2013 01:51 PM

                                    Mistral in Sherman Oaks. Geezers would not be comfortable here. The food is good but you can't enjoy it because the location is terrible. The store is too small and narrow for the amount of business they do. There is one central row from front to back with a narrow aisle on both sides, one row of tables on the right wall and a half row on the left side next to the bar. The noise level is horrendous, you've got waitstaff and customers traipsing back and forth bumping into your chair and the restrooms are located just outside the kitchen where your food is prepared.

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                                      bigredd Dec 4, 2013 10:30 AM

                                      Wow, I love Mistral. While I would agree its "cozy", I never experienced any bumping or extreme traipsing. Food and service are always excellent and I do enjoy their chocolate souffle.

                                      I would be hard pressed to come up with 3 better restaurants within the extended neighborhood.

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                                        mucho gordo Dec 4, 2013 10:57 AM

                                        Then, you must not be a geezer. It is a place for a younger crowd. A better place in the area, for me, would be Café Bizou and Gio Cucina isn't that much further away.

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                                          bigredd Dec 4, 2013 11:02 AM

                                          I certainly am on my way at 52 but I guess I overlook the coziness and noise for the food and service.

                                          I will check out Gio Cucina.

                                          Thanks!

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                                            mucho gordo Dec 4, 2013 11:06 AM

                                            Gio Cucina is also a bit 'cozy' but you'll notice a big difference between the two places. Great Italian food and impeccable service. If you don't see what you want on the menu, ask. If they can make it, they will.
                                            Yes, I agree the food was good at Mistral.

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                                              kevin Dec 4, 2013 12:39 PM

                                              I like Gio Cucina, though it is on the 2nd floor of a pod mall, and its beyond tiny but good. 1/3 the price of Madeo but of course not as great either.

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                                                mucho gordo Dec 4, 2013 08:13 PM

                                                Kevin, you and carter fascinate me. You say Gio food is not as good as Madeo and carter is saying that Mistral food is better than all the others. How do you guys compare them? What if Gio and Madeo made the same dish exactly. Would you be able to tell the difference in a blind taste test? Both follow basic recipes but each chef might put a personal spin on it; a little less garlic, more pepper flakes, etc. How could you possibly determine that the one you might prefer is made by Madeo?

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                                                  carter Dec 5, 2013 03:04 PM

                                                  I said Mistral food is better than Café Bizou and Gio, which I will stand behind. I think it is one of the Valley's best restaurants, period!
                                                  Best on the boulevard in Studio City/Sherman Oaks, which I will also stand behind.
                                                  Gio is in Encino, and is Italian, which I find very uninteresting, as many already know, Kevin among them.

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                                          globalgourmet Dec 14, 2013 06:14 PM

                                          1. I'm a geezer (65).

                                          2, This is one of my favorites. Excellent food and service.

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                                          carter Dec 4, 2013 11:10 AM

                                          Mistral may be the best restaurant on the boulevard in the Sherman Oaks/Studio City area.
                                          While you may not like its coziness factor, then I suppose you don't like that close proximity when visiting places in NYC or maybe SF?
                                          This place appeals to all demographics, old and young. Many nights, you will find primarily industry folks, other nights, you might find mostly the old folks with no association to the industry.
                                          Noise is high, yet no more so than Café Bizou, or Local Peasant, or Rocco's Tavern, or Laurel Tavern, or Black Market, or Raphael, or Mexicali Cantina, or Casa Vega, or.....
                                          But the food is better than all of those, and the prices higher!
                                          Just hope you don't have to go to the bathroom...

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                                            mucho gordo Dec 4, 2013 11:17 AM

                                            I can agree that Mistral may be the best as far as the food is concerned but, the crowding, jostling and noise level was just too much for our party which included 2 90ish aunts using walkers.
                                            I remember the night that we were there a customer came in using an electric wheelchair and they had a problem configuring the space to accommodate him at a table.

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                                              carter Dec 4, 2013 05:40 PM

                                              Only hope that wheelchair bound customer reserved ahead of time, telling Henri or Raul of that fact.
                                              If not, well, good luck to all around, but don't blame the restaurant for that problem.
                                              As to the two 90ish aunts, can't imagine Bizou would be any easier to navigate, and the noise level there is no better, as but one example.

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                                                mucho gordo Dec 4, 2013 07:48 PM

                                                The noise level at Bizou was tolerable because it is dissipated over a wider area whereas Mistral is confined to a narrower space. Bizou would also have been a bit easier to maneuver the walkers. As for the guy in the wheelchair, the only place they could put him was just inside the front door where they set up a round table for him. There is no way he could go up/down the narrow aisles.

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                                          jessejames Dec 3, 2013 01:53 PM

                                          oh yeah, wolfgang's steakhouse...strike three and you're out ... if you call yourself a steakhouse, learn to cook a medium rare steak...had blue and also brown, and always attitude from the jackass "entourage" dude that manages it.

                                          1. orythedog Dec 3, 2013 02:21 PM

                                            Do you mean LEAST FAVORITE OR WORST FOOD?

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                                              foufou Dec 3, 2013 02:33 PM

                                              Twin Dragon and Canter's are tied for me....

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                                                jessejames Dec 3, 2013 02:35 PM

                                                yes, cantors can be a very annoying experience in every way...it's on my don't fly list now

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                                                AlkieGourmand Dec 3, 2013 06:18 PM

                                                Here are some restaurants I don't like. I'm only listing restaurants that some people I know think are good.

                                                Bottega Louie. Mediocre food, miserable atmosphere.
                                                Sugarfish by Nozawa. Poor-quality fish, prepared with incompetence.
                                                Umami Burger. Crap.
                                                Phillipe's. Worse than crap.
                                                Baco Mercat. J. Gold and everyone else are on crack. This food is mostly slop. (To be fair, I have had good vegetable side dishes here.)
                                                Chego. Amazingly disgusting.
                                                Nickel Diner. Yuck.

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                                                  AlkieGourmand Dec 3, 2013 06:45 PM

                                                  Let me add: All the burrito places, whether it be the Westernized ones like Qdoba, Chipotle, and Ocho or the more "authentic" Mexican American places that Chowhounders seem to love. In my opinion, Mexican American food--burritos and the like--is far superior on the east coast, especially in the Boston area.

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                                                    Bradbury Dec 3, 2013 10:13 PM

                                                    How far are you willing to travel? I ask because every place on your list above is between downtown and WeHo. If you spend some time in, say, Huntington Park or Santa Ana, it might disabuse you of the notion that the burritos are better in Boston...

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                                                      MoreMolecules Dec 3, 2013 10:35 PM

                                                      Patty's in Claremont. that is all.

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                                                        MoreMolecules Dec 3, 2013 10:38 PM

                                                        the Alcove in Los Feliz. Basic, boring food and crappy service. The 2 times I've ordered food there, they straight up forgot to bring either my dish or my companion's.

                                                        And the place is a total madhouse! People are packed in their like it's the new Eataly LA or something. Puzzling. To each his own...

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                                                          yd914 Dec 8, 2013 10:37 PM

                                                          I second this. I forget what I ordered at The Alcove the one time I went but I do remember not eating 90% of it.

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                                                            ivankrueger Dec 12, 2013 08:02 AM

                                                            Alcove is just okay and yes, with terrible terrible service. But the customers are the real problem. I've had to ask a douche bag to stop talking so loud on his phone because I couldn't enjoy my meal. I was reprimanded for invading his space.

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                                                              kevin Dec 12, 2013 03:02 PM

                                                              Oh, geez.

                                                              Those Hollywood hipsters...

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                                                          granadafan Dec 3, 2013 10:38 PM

                                                          "Mexican American food--burritos and the like--is far superior on the east coast, especially in the Boston area."

                                                          LOL, are you trying to start a war here? That's like saying New England clam chowdah and lobster rolls suck in Boston and you can find better in Montana. What is your basis for a "good" burrito?

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                                                            jesstifer Dec 4, 2013 11:18 AM

                                                            I don't disagree with your "least favorite" list, but the burrito thing is perhaps the most ridiculous proposition ever floated here.

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                                                            westsidegal Dec 3, 2013 07:36 PM

                                                            completely concur with you about the yuckiness of:
                                                            bottega louie
                                                            sugarfish
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                                                            chego.

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                                                              fourunder Dec 3, 2013 09:57 PM

                                                              Phillipe's. Worse than crap.

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                                                              I could not agree more....one of my worst disappointments ever.

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                                                                medrite Dec 4, 2013 06:43 AM

                                                                +1 for Phillipe's, the enduring popularity of this place has always mystified me.

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                                                                Michelly Dec 4, 2013 08:35 AM

                                                                Second Umami. Not worth it at all.

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                                                                  Steve2 in LA Dec 5, 2013 09:46 AM

                                                                  Third thumbs down on Umami. Not only was I overwhelmed by the prices and underwhelmed by the food and service (I was the first one there one lunch time, nobody else around) but had the additional misfortune to be in the presence of owner, Adam Fleischman. He was truculent towards me and rude to his employees. Regretfully, I've watched his franchise expand but I certainly won't be back.

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                                                                    OscarFox Dec 5, 2013 09:48 AM

                                                                    Hey, what's wrong with running a very successful money laundering gig for Sam Nazarian?

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                                                                      kevin Dec 5, 2013 12:29 PM

                                                                      :)

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                                                                  yd914 Dec 8, 2013 10:38 PM

                                                                  Umami ketchup is straight up nasty.

                                                                  Sugarfish was very un-fresh the one time I went, although to be fair it was a Sunday and I've been warned against ordering sushi on Sundays.

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                                                                    westsidegal Dec 8, 2013 11:17 PM

                                                                    i too, have been served sub par fish at sugarfish.

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                                                                  ygvo Dec 3, 2013 06:26 PM

                                                                  It's pho, It's thai, Pimai Its thai... Are those considered chains?
                                                                  Not a fan of Philippes or Pink's

                                                                  1. J.L. Dec 3, 2013 07:05 PM

                                                                    Il Cielo, on Burton Way.

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                                                                      veronykah Dec 3, 2013 07:41 PM

                                                                      Jitlada, way overrated and expensive. So many better options.
                                                                      Umami, been to several haven't been wowed by anything.
                                                                      Pink's, the dogs they sell on the cookie sheets on the street are better.
                                                                      Canters, never had anything good there. Mediocre at best.

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                                                                        fgrade Dec 4, 2013 05:05 PM

                                                                        yup, yup, yup and yup.

                                                                        Actually, yup to the third degree on the first one.

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                                                                          ns1 Dec 9, 2013 11:57 AM

                                                                          Jitlada, so much Jitlada.

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                                                                            veronykah Dec 9, 2013 12:54 PM

                                                                            Good to hear it's not just me. Everything I read, people just LOVE that place and talk about it like the food is amazing for people who actually know about food. No no no.

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                                                                              ns1 Dec 9, 2013 01:03 PM

                                                                              The food is okay (not the second coming of christ by any stretch of the imagination) but the whole package is most certainly not okay at that price point.

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                                                                          TonyC Dec 10, 2013 11:42 AM

                                                                          << So many better options. >>

                                                                          I'd like one alternative to Jitlada for Southern Thai, not even a better one at that. Just one. In fact, let's expand that to all of America. One better Southern Thai restaurant in America than Jitlada.

                                                                          What are you going to suggest? Pok Pok? Lotus of Siam? Yes, prices have risen steadily over the last few years, but eating here remains far cheaper than dinner at, say, Connie & Teds, and far more interesting. Why aren't people willing to pay market rate for Thai food (or Asian food in general) unless it's run by some tatted guy?

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                                                                            ns1 Dec 10, 2013 11:58 AM

                                                                            cuz the environment/service/food do not match up with the price. They got a monopoly on southern thai cuisine and they know it and charge prices accordingly.

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                                                                              Servorg Dec 10, 2013 12:17 PM

                                                                              I would say they charge prices that allow them to meet their obligations and save some money toward retirement. What nerve!

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                                                                                ns1 Dec 10, 2013 02:10 PM

                                                                                Sorry, $7 for a thai tea w/ boba aint gonna cut it in my book. YMMV.

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                                                                                  Servorg Dec 10, 2013 02:17 PM

                                                                                  Try running a successful small business in L.A. and you will be singing a totally different tune in no time.

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                                                                                    ns1 Dec 10, 2013 02:18 PM

                                                                                    I see a lot of successful small businesses in thai town not charging $7 for a thai boba tea or $14 for a pad thai.

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                                                                                      kevin Dec 10, 2013 02:20 PM

                                                                                      But then they might not be able to live very comfortably as their attorney or doctor counterparts would.

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                                                                                    TonyC Dec 11, 2013 09:32 AM

                                                                                    you've been carrying this vendetta against the unaffordable boba thai tea for a while now. can we please look beyond it? No one's going to Jitlada for that. why not just order a beer? and if not beer, a can of coke is $1 which, while no refill, isn't exorbitant.

                                                                                    also, i believe i've already explained the $14 plain pad thai price structure: p'Tui and team hates cooking it. they've hatefully priced the dish at $14 so no one would order it. if you're stupid enough to ask it, your wallet is going to get punished. and, just like the boba thai tea, no one is (nor should be) ordering that at Jitlada.

                                                                                    i personally find that pretty hilarious, tho, TBH, i haven't been able to afford the whole seabass in a long time, nor have i ever ordered fanciful things such as the lobster tail/dungeness crab, etc. then again, that's totally OK with me, cuz i personally have no need to clear all ~200+ menu items.

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                                                                                      ns1 Dec 11, 2013 09:44 AM

                                                                                      Pretty sure I got charged ~3.50 for a coke last time.

                                                                                      Also, I'm pretty offended by the $6 12oz bottle of Singha too.

                                                                                      My only goal is to inform, because nobody (on chowhound) told me about the ridiculous Jitlada prices before I got there. Of course, if I had looked at yelp I would have found THOSE reviews.

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                                                                                        Servorg Dec 11, 2013 09:51 AM

                                                                                        Until you own a small business in L.A. then you don't have a clue about what kind of pricing is needed to stay in business - depending on rent, salaries and overhead. And I'm willing to bet that if the folks at Jitlada end up dividing their pay by the number of hours they put in, they will be working for a wage that is lower than anyone here would want to work for...

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                                                                                          ns1 Dec 11, 2013 09:56 AM

                                                                                          Well their pricing cost them at least 1 customer (me) and I most certainly won't be taking any groups back.

                                                                                          There are other alternatives to increasing revenue besides increasing prices. Not that there is anything wrong (from a business perspective) with the "increase prices" strategy.

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                                                                                            Servorg Dec 11, 2013 10:03 AM

                                                                                            "There are other alternatives to increasing revenue besides increasing prices."

                                                                                            That's true. Using cheaper ingredients and cutting back on portion size are two of the most popular (and most odious to me) ways.

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                                                                                              kevin Dec 11, 2013 11:41 AM

                                                                                              It is definitely expensive but people will keep going there since they keep hearing so much about it.

                                                                                              Yeah last I was there I had two dishes, a soda, and an iced coffee. And it was $65 bucks just for me.

                                                                                              No joke.

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                                                                                          westsidegal Dec 11, 2013 10:14 AM

                                                                                          gotta admit, ns1, i was blindsided by their prices as well.

                                                                                          when my nephew returned from an internship in Thailand, i took him out to dinner at Jitlada.
                                                                                          wasn't paying too much attention to the prices, just went along with the dishes Jaz recommended.
                                                                                          no alcohol whatsoever was ordered.

                                                                                          in the end, the price came out to be over $70/pp.
                                                                                          i never went back.

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                                                                                            TonyC Dec 12, 2013 02:20 PM

                                                                                            wsg, and ns1, and whoever couldn't decipher the 200-item+ menu at Jitlada, hence felt molested by the resulting bill: your next dinner at Jitlada on me, providing I order and you allow me to bar you from soft drinks, so you can experience the heat, and tame it, on your own volition, just like the Thais in Nakhon would. offer stands as long as Jazz/Tui owns the joint (which undoubtedly will be for a long time, because they have NOT been getting rich from the place).

                                                                                            A typical order at Jitlada for 4, once you done learnt the menu: sator with mixed seafood, lamb pumpkin curry, kua kling pork, stuffed fish ball green curry, light oxtail or stuffed squid soup, ~$86, plus rice. Call it $23/pp++. dishes reported by Saveur, JG, blogger-douches, ad nausea, typicall gets upmarketed.

                                                                                            Lastly, Ba Bar's Eric Banh's plea: http://babarseattle.com/blog/2013/12/... please allow Jitlada to charge $18 for a plate of Thai curry, please.

                                                                                            what I'm really trying to say: Jitlada has no place in this particular(ly detailed) thread.

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                                                                                              linus Dec 12, 2013 02:36 PM

                                                                                              jeez, all i have to do is complain and i get a free meal at jitlada courtesy tonyc?
                                                                                              can i drink beer?
                                                                                              i'm in.

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                                                                                                westsidegal Dec 12, 2013 02:43 PM

                                                                                                TonyC:
                                                                                                i didn't feel "molested" at all, blindsided, yes, but not violated/molested.
                                                                                                truly, it was my own fault because i didn't want to interrupt the "flow" of the meal to ascertain the prices before blithely agreeing to the suggestions being made.
                                                                                                it was a celebratory dinner and i didn't want to turn it into considered, deliberate, cost-conscious, process.
                                                                                                it was my first time at the restaurant, and i didn't know my way around the menu and chose to rely on jaz.
                                                                                                my bad.

                                                                                                on the other hand,
                                                                                                there was NO effort to order
                                                                                                <<Dishes reported by Saveur, JG, blogger-douches, ad nausea>>.
                                                                                                i just ordered whatever Jaz recommended.
                                                                                                (maybe what she recommends are the the blogger-douche dishes.)

                                                                                                it's just that for $70/pp before tax, tip, and ANY beverages (we didn't order any soft drinks nor alcohol), i would rather partake of the many opportunities on the westside.

                                                                                                i'm grateful for your kind offer, but since i don't eat meat nor poultry, your ordering system can't work for me.

                                                                                                will keep your list of dishes in mind, though, in case i ever end up on that side of town again.
                                                                                                it's pretty obvious that,on my own, there is no way i could devise a workable menu that i can afford .

                                                                                                much thanks for your generous offer.

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                                                                                                  kevin Dec 12, 2013 03:05 PM

                                                                                                  WG, can you transfer TonyC generous offer to me ? :)

                                                                                                  Thanks.

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                                                                                                    linus Dec 12, 2013 10:10 PM

                                                                                                    though i dont have either menu in front of me, i find it hard to believe you couldnt get a satisfying non meat meal at jitlada for around the same price as the snook at coni's.

                                                                                                    i am happy to be corrected if i am wrong about this.

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                                                                                                      kevin Dec 12, 2013 10:33 PM

                                                                                                      Soft shell crab at least 18 bucks.

                                                                                                      The whole turmeric sea bass 35 bucks.

                                                                                                      Mussels 15 bucks.

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                                                                                                        linus Dec 13, 2013 07:51 AM

                                                                                                        conis' snook is 24 bucks or so a kilo. never seen one there below 1.5 kilos.

                                                                                                        tasty food sometimes costs money, especially seafood.

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                                                                                                          ns1 Dec 13, 2013 09:48 AM

                                                                                                          So how much do they charge for a coke @ Coni's? Is there a "Christmas lights in June" markup?

                                                                                                          Okay I'll stop now. Maybe.

                                                                                                          1. re: linus
                                                                                                            westsidegal Dec 13, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                                                                            before tax, tip, and beverage, my average bill at coni's is always below $25/pp with PLENTY to eat and to take home.
                                                                                                            (after tax, tip, and beverage i walk out paying about $37/pp all in with everyone eating like a pig and tipping generously)
                                                                                                            fwiw, i never order soft drinks at any restaurant.

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                                                                                                            Dirtywextraolives Dec 13, 2013 07:58 AM

                                                                                                            Mussels for $15 is about the going rate for any LA restaurant. If they're much cheaper, they aren't giving you as many.....

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                                                                                                              kevin Dec 13, 2013 12:25 PM

                                                                                                              I did hit up CandT's btw.

                                                                                                              I'll post later.

                                                                                                              And if you're down to meet at Jitladas one time I'm hella down.

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                                                                                                                Dirtywextraolives Dec 14, 2013 08:21 AM

                                                                                                                ;)

                                                                                                          3. re: linus
                                                                                                            westsidegal Dec 13, 2013 10:46 AM

                                                                                                            linus: i don't doubt that it is possible, but i am not willing to make the investment in driving and money to discover how to arrange it.

                                                                                                            when i took my nephew out, i vaguely expected the bill to come in at about $50/pp all in.
                                                                                                            it actually came in closer to $90/pp all in.
                                                                                                            at that level, i can find a lot of good food without needing to do a lot of work/driving/trial-and-error ordering etc.

                                                                                                            probably, if they were located closer to me so that i could undertake the sorting process one dish/lunch at time, i'd be more open to it.

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                                                                                                              linus Dec 13, 2013 11:55 AM

                                                                                                              well, everyone's experience is different. i've been to jitlada, and i'm fairly certain the bill has never been anywhere near 90 bucks a person.
                                                                                                              and i/we like beer.

                                                                                                              as for "how to arrange it," me, i just look at a menu and order.

                                                                                                              i find both jitlada and conis well worth the money.

                                                                                                          4. re: westsidegal
                                                                                                            TonyC Dec 14, 2013 12:07 AM

                                                                                                            blindsided, butt-hurt, molested; semantics.

                                                                                                            Jitlada's menu can be sliced & diced 9999 ways and I guarantee, with slight diligence, pescetarian can be done here for $30/pp++ and it'll be 3x more interesting than any meal at Coni, or hell, even C&T (which, seriously, aside from cocktails, lobster roll, chowdah and some fried clams,, isn't much better than a good seafood joint in SGV)

                                                                                                            hor mok, nam-ya fish dip, kaeng tai shrimp curry, lotus root fish fillet soup, < $80 for 3 . Nakhon Si Thammarat abuts Gulf of Thailand. Them people know how to affordably fux w/ seafood just as well as the next guy from Nayarit.

                                                                                                            Jazz is a restaurateur with a kaffir lime tree in her backyard. Read that as you may. My offer to rectify any hurt feels at Jitlada stands for anyone not vegan.

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                                                                                                              westsidegal Dec 14, 2013 12:23 AM

                                                                                                              your passion for the place will make me give it another shot.
                                                                                                              (sometime after the first of the year)
                                                                                                              i'll use the list in the post above as a starting point.

                                                                                                              1. re: westsidegal
                                                                                                                TonyC Dec 14, 2013 12:34 AM

                                                                                                                JUST LET ME TAKE YOU, WSG! OMGAR! (no kevin, you can not come).

                                                                                                                fwiw, this 17-entree '09 Jitlada dinner for ~20+, before the Saveur piece: http://www.bsideblog.com/2009/04/eati... was < $30/pp with buckets of suds.

                                                                                                                granted, this was before ryan gosling started posing for photo-ops, but, still..

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                                                                                                                  ns1 Dec 14, 2013 09:15 AM

                                                                                                                  TonyC-

                                                                                                                  while i agree with your general sentiment, I think it's an incorrect mentality to force the diner to wade through 20+ pages of menu items in order to find the 10-20 gems that are ridiculous delicious and reasonably priced. it most certainly makes it inappropriate to bring non-foodie work colleagues for a lunch, although that was my mistake for taking them there without scouting out the place first. Bringing non-foodie work friends results in bitterness from ordering things like $14 pad thai (there was nothing in there worth $14 btw) and $5 thai iced teas.

                                                                                                                  I actually compared 2009 era prices to 2013 era prices and noticed ~50% increases in some areas. I get cost of everything has gone up, but relative to other restaurants Jitlada seems to have taken price increases to a new level.

                                                                                                                  that said, whenever you're down I'm willing to check out Jitlada and let you order w/e. No need to cover. I wouldn't be a 'hound if I didn't have an open mind.

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                                                                                                                    linus Dec 14, 2013 09:54 AM

                                                                                                                    i get your point, ns1, but in this age of the world wide interwebs, is there any excuse for not taking a few minutes before you hop in the car, straddle the bike, pop on the skateboard, velcro your shoes and hit up yelp or chowhound or wherever and see what they specialize in?

                                                                                                                    sure, i knew enough to flip to the back of the menu where the southern thai stuff was because i had read about it, but it's pretty plain that's where the choice stuff is, isn't it?
                                                                                                                    i haven't been in a while, so i'm not sure how familiar i am with the current menu.

                                                                                                                    also, anyone expecting crab and lobster and whole fish to be cheap is being rather disingenuous, though, of course, that doesn't excuse the price of your boba tea.
                                                                                                                    an argument could be made anyone ordering boba tea deserves what they get, but i am an avowed anti bobite.
                                                                                                                    the prices of stuff are right there on the menu.

                                                                                                                    but, again, i see your point if there has been an abnormal increase in prices.
                                                                                                                    and i see the point dragging someone from work who's not chow inclined, who's expecting the stuff and prices from their thai local, could be a hassle.

                                                                                                                    to me, the food is "special" enough to warrant a higher price.

                                                                                                                    1. re: linus
                                                                                                                      Servorg Dec 14, 2013 10:00 AM

                                                                                                                      I'd posit that the pricing on the boba tea at Jitlada is so out of whack with what one normally sees around town strictly to encourage diners to order something else that fits the flavor profile of their food better...The same thing can be said for their pad Thai, etc. YMMV

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                                                                                                                        linus Dec 14, 2013 10:04 AM

                                                                                                                        i'm not saying you're right or wrong, serv, but isn't that kinda mean spirited?
                                                                                                                        i mean, if you don't dig people ordering pad thai or boba tea, wouldn't the mister rogers way of doing things be to not put it on the menu in the first place?

                                                                                                                        1. re: linus
                                                                                                                          Servorg Dec 14, 2013 10:08 AM

                                                                                                                          You are damned if you do and damned if you don't...but by at least offering the drink/dish it's there in a caveat emptor type of situation.

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                                                                                                                            Frommtron Dec 15, 2013 10:57 AM

                                                                                                                            Mean spirited perhaps, but restaurants always seem to have a few dishes on the menu that are priced to help subsidize some of the other dishes. I think that $7 boba (who get's boba with a meal? who gets boba for that matter?) helps defray some of the cost of the more labor intensive Southern Thai dishes.

                                                                                                                            Just a guess, though.

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                                                                                                                            westsidegal Dec 14, 2013 10:23 AM

                                                                                                                            the same sticker shock occurred to me and nobody in my party ordered boba tea nor pad thai.
                                                                                                                            we all ordered water to drink.

                                                                                                                            i guess my takeaway from the experience is that this is not the place to go if you are interested in a celebratory meal (i.e. not going to get involved in "careful ordering" and scoping out all the dishes and their prices beforehand, and are unfamiliar with the menu.)

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                                                                                                                              linus Dec 14, 2013 10:36 AM

                                                                                                                              i disagree, wsg, respectfully. the food there is unique enough to make it celebratory.
                                                                                                                              and the menu isn't hard to parse.

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                                                                                                                            ns1 Dec 14, 2013 10:44 AM

                                                                                                                            i get your point, ns1, but in this age of the world wide interwebs, is there any excuse for not taking a few minutes before you hop in the car, straddle the bike, pop on the skateboard, velcro your shoes and hit up yelp or chowhound or wherever and see what they specialize in?
                                                                                                                            ------------

                                                                                                                            That's the foodie in you, and that's exactly what I did. The problem is I took a work group there and there were non-foodies, hence the ridiculous pad thai order. and i wouldn't mind if there was something in that $14 pad thai to make it worth it, but they didn't even fake it to make it - at least describe it as hand pulled noodles with sustainable shrimp and organic bean sprouts or SOMETHING. Nope, just generic $5.50 pad thai marked up 150%.

                                                                                                                            if you don't want people to order it, you shouldn't put it on the menu.

                                                                                                                            Clearly Jitlada is very polarizing - I took a look at the last 20-30 yelp reviews, sorted by date, and it's basically a rehash of the discussion we are having in this very thread. Split about the same way too.

                                                                                                                          4. re: ns1
                                                                                                                            TonyC Dec 15, 2013 04:03 PM

                                                                                                                            << I think it's an incorrect mentality to force the diner to wade through 20+ pages of menu items >>

                                                                                                                            Agreed, and then some. I voiced this concern with TeamJitlada back in '10, but the man is so talented, who are we to edit his voluminous menu? Which brings me to a point I've previously made: the current online culture regarding Jitlada , aided by some douche-blogger, is to wantonly order through 200+ dishes, some of which are the EXACT SAME recipe, save for the protein (kua kling salmon/pork/beef/shrimp/tofu fucking ad nausea).

                                                                                                                            homey don't play that, and homey does NOT play no Jitlada burger.

                                                                                                                            Mike D, I want to put the Jitlada satin in your panties, but your profile has no email. let's aim for 2nd week of Jan. I also choose not to consume Singha, so maybe there'll be a bottle, or 2, of Black Tuesday.

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                                                                                                                              ns1 Dec 15, 2013 04:46 PM

                                                                                                                              TC- shot you an email to the address in your profile.

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                                                                                                                            westsidegal Dec 14, 2013 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                            TonyC: anytime after the first of the year.
                                                                                                                            passion like yours is persuasive.
                                                                                                                            no need to treat.

                                                                                                                            genesis.036 at gmail

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                                                                                                                      kevin Dec 12, 2013 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                      I also purchased sodas TonyC and felt it was way too expensive.

                                                                                                                      I'm on board for that free meal with Ns1 and Westside.

                                                                                                                      Thanks Tony. Much appreciated.

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                                                                                                                    kevin Dec 11, 2013 11:39 AM

                                                                                                                    I'm preety sure you are correct on the Coke prices and I'm positive there are no free refills.

                                                                                                                  3. re: TonyC
                                                                                                                    fgrade Dec 14, 2013 11:24 PM

                                                                                                                    "If you're stupid enough to ask it, your wallet is going to get punished" huh???

                                                                                                                    More like, if you're stupid enough to pay a premium for third class meals your wallet is gonna punish you.

                                                                                                                    This place is a perfect sad example of supply and demand.

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                                                                                                              veronykah Dec 10, 2013 05:59 PM

                                                                                                              What am I going to suggest?

                                                                                                              Ruen Pair is my favorite, the food is closest to the food I actually ate when I was in Thailand.
                                                                                                              Sapp Coffeeshop is another that had great food.
                                                                                                              Both of those are half the price of Jitlada and the food is better.
                                                                                                              Not sure why people go to Jitlada, other than it seems "safe" and more palatable to dare I say it? White people?

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                                                                                                                kevin Dec 10, 2013 06:02 PM

                                                                                                                Well, I think one thing that Jitlada does is that it has monopolized the market on Southern thai like someone mentioned earlier, including oddities such as sator beans, and seafood such as soft shell crabs and mussels and frog legs and whole sea basses that the other two joints don't serve, i.e. Ruen Pair and Sapp's, which would make the comparison between them quite difficult.

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                                                                                                              Frommtron Dec 14, 2013 10:13 AM

                                                                                                              I cannot fathom this. I really can't. The food at Jitlada is otherwise unattainable anywhere in LA, possibly the US.

                                                                                                              I don't even know what Tony C is talking about. You do not need a guide to get good dishes here. I've blundered my way through some random samplings from the Southern Thai menu and, aside from my meal lacking the proper balance, the individual dishes were spectacular. A guide or some research can get you the balance to make the whole meal an even better experience.

                                                                                                              Jitlada is so worth the money. I do think service can be fairly spotty and the ambience is actually shitty. But it's about the food, yes? I can legitimately critique Jitlada because there are definitely places where the restaurant can improve. But it's really an academic exercise. The food is that good/interesting/memorable.

                                                                                                              Everyone has a right to their own tastes, but I don't think anyone can make a coherent case for Jitlada being less than extraordinary.

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                                                                                                                ns1 Dec 14, 2013 10:46 AM

                                                                                                                Everyone has a right to their own tastes, but I don't think anyone can make a coherent case for Jitlada being less than extraordinary.
                                                                                                                ________________________________
                                                                                                                I'm pretty sure we all did right above you.

                                                                                                                1. re: ns1
                                                                                                                  Frommtron Dec 14, 2013 11:13 AM

                                                                                                                  Snideness aside, I'm pretty sure you failed miserably at making your case.

                                                                                                                  Your criticism of the place is that it's a little expensive and some of the dishes are stinkers. You're simply perseverating on price point and pad thai.

                                                                                                                  I think I'll judge Alma on the parking situation and the size of their ice cubes. I'm mean, why not?

                                                                                                                  In all earnestness, I really do hope you go back with and give it a shot when you're in a positive mindset. Don't look at the bill, order primarily from the Thai menu, and just enjoy. If you still hate it, I'd be surprised, but interested in hearing what about the food they do best you didn't think was up to snuff.

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                                                                                                                    ns1 Dec 14, 2013 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                    I'm waiting for TonyC to blow my mind. I might be the most vocal in this thread, but I'm most certainly not the only one to voice these sentiments.

                                                                                                                    Previously: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/904414
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                                                                                                                    Ok so we had the following this time:

                                                                                                                    - Coco mango salad
                                                                                                                    - Fresh papaya salad
                                                                                                                    - crying tiger beef
                                                                                                                    - steamed mussels
                                                                                                                    - pineapple fried rice
                                                                                                                    - pad thai
                                                                                                                    - chicken satay

                                                                                                                    I will say everything was tasty enough, if you don't factor in the price. Once you factor in the price, it's a harder pill to swallow. Nothing was legendary/mind blowing, not even the papaya salad/coco mango salad. Maybe it didn't have that "new" feeling that it had the first time.

                                                                                                                    $6 for a small singha and $3 soft drink no refills is absurd.

                                                                                                                    1. re: ns1
                                                                                                                      Frommtron Dec 14, 2013 11:39 AM

                                                                                                                      I'd have to double check, but I think perhaps one of those dishes is off the Southern Thai menu, no?

                                                                                                                      Let me throw pineapple fried rice and chicken satay into the "and why are you at Jitlada if you're just going to order stuff that Thai Dishes serves" group.

                                                                                                                      I'm just saying, many are criticizing Jitlada for some awfully strange dishes and the fact that they're pricey compared to other Thai bargains.

                                                                                                                      Try Jitlada for it's strengths. I do Hope TonyC can blow your mind. I am very optimistic that he will.

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                                                                                                                        ns1 Dec 14, 2013 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                        "Let me throw pineapple fried rice and chicken satay into the "and why are you at Jitlada if you're just going to order stuff that Thai Dishes serves" group."

                                                                                                                        No arguments here. My bad for bringing my work peoples there, Jitlada's bad for leaving those things on the menu.

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                                                                                                                          jessejames Dec 14, 2013 12:10 PM

                                                                                                                          Catfish salad is so unique and great

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                                                                                                                            Frommtron Dec 14, 2013 12:19 PM

                                                                                                                            Fair enough.

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                                                                                                                maudies5 Dec 3, 2013 08:19 PM

                                                                                                                Peppone. I feel as if they have 3 saucepans and whatever you choose to order will have one of the 3 pre-made sauces.
                                                                                                                Can't stand the place. Many years ago when Gianni Paoletti was an enthusiastic young chef, at the time he split with Piero of Valentino, Peppone was a terrific restaurant. Really the only decent Italian restaurant in the Brentwood area. Now it just seems extremely expensive and the food is mediocre. Also, lousy cocktails, but they do have a great wine list.

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                                                                                                                  foodiemahoodie Dec 10, 2013 02:27 PM

                                                                                                                  Peppone is one of those places I wish would come up for sale. Get rid of the art and those "Tiffany" lamps (that's Italian?)

                                                                                                                  And get a real chef in there. Place should be like Madeo's.

                                                                                                                  Is may be the worst Italian food in Brentwood. In a very cool location.

                                                                                                                  Best memory there? Had dinner with a friend - and we came out and there was this sorrowful looking couple who were down on their luck with a sob story. She - a struggling actress at the time - gave them $20. Later she saw I didn't really respond to their story - and she asked me if I believed them. "No, they're con artists." "Well, if they are, they're very good." A week or two later they (the con artists) were featured in the L.A. Times. http://articles.latimes.com/1989-01-3...

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                                                                                                                    kevin Dec 10, 2013 02:30 PM

                                                                                                                    Foodie you are awesome.

                                                                                                                    My hat goes off to you.

                                                                                                                2. JeMange Dec 3, 2013 08:53 PM

                                                                                                                  Pink's. I just don't get how slopping all manner of crap on a hotdog makes it good.

                                                                                                                  Home. Both the Silver Lake and Los Feliz locations serve brunch for people who don't like food.

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                                                                                                                    jessejames Dec 3, 2013 08:56 PM

                                                                                                                    It's a shitty dog too

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                                                                                                                      JeMange Dec 3, 2013 09:30 PM

                                                                                                                      I agree. I love natural casing hot dogs/franks but they should be able to stand on their own - or with minimal toppings. A squirt of brown mustard... A smattering of 'kraut...

                                                                                                                      I'll take a Cupid's dog any day over the slop they serve at Pink's.

                                                                                                                      I'll add The Hat to my list for the same reason. How is mounding cafeteria-grade pastrami onto anything and everything supposed to make it taste better?

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                                                                                                                        wienermobile Dec 3, 2013 11:23 PM

                                                                                                                        " mounding cafeteria-grade pastrami onto anything and everything" Yum….

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                                                                                                                      Amy Amy Dec 9, 2013 09:27 PM

                                                                                                                      Pinks was very good at one time, as I recall. Something changed in the early 90's. Maybe it was me growing up, but I haven't liked it since then. I think for most people Pinks is more about nostalgia than anything else.

                                                                                                                      Don't even get me started on Home! I have no idea why folks like this place.

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                                                                                                                        ivankrueger Dec 11, 2013 04:47 PM

                                                                                                                        Agreed on the 'Home' front: How can they still exist? And in two locations?

                                                                                                                        How can you fuck up an egg? An. Egg?

                                                                                                                        I used to go to the Los Feliz one because there was nothing else in that area. Now with all the choices, I cannot understand their presence.

                                                                                                                        And the worst service imaginable.

                                                                                                                      2. Servorg Dec 4, 2013 07:23 AM

                                                                                                                        Difficult to believe that Tito's hasn't come up yet on this thread...

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                                                                                                                          Dirtywextraolives Dec 4, 2013 07:58 AM

                                                                                                                          It certainly hovers around number one in my book......

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                                                                                                                            carter Dec 4, 2013 08:28 AM

                                                                                                                            Thanks for that reminder Servorg!
                                                                                                                            Twin Dragon definitely does qualify, as does Pink's.

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                                                                                                                              Servorg Dec 4, 2013 08:31 AM

                                                                                                                              And no mention of the Apple Pan...the institutional memory of the LA board appears to be in need of repair.

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                                                                                                                                Michelly Dec 4, 2013 08:40 AM

                                                                                                                                Yes! The burgers are not worth the snarly, angry service. If I get treated that badly, I want the food to be ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE....which it certainly is not.

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                                                                                                                                  jessejames Dec 4, 2013 09:26 AM

                                                                                                                                  and the stupid two headed line system...

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                                                                                                                                  kevin Dec 4, 2013 12:40 PM

                                                                                                                                  I like the Pan, but despise the prices to hell and a hand basket.

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                                                                                                                                    wienermobile Dec 9, 2013 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                    After all these years I am still a fan of The Apple Pan. An LA Classic. You may now feel free to attack me.

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                                                                                                                                      jessejames Dec 9, 2013 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                                      great pie

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                                                                                                                                        MoreMolecules Dec 9, 2013 02:47 PM

                                                                                                                                        I dunno, I gotta take pie n burger over apple pan for burgers fried and pie...

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                                                                                                                                Brioche For The Girl Dec 9, 2013 08:32 PM

                                                                                                                                Ditto...

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                                                                                                                                jessejames Dec 4, 2013 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                urasawa

                                                                                                                                just on principle for being extreme dickbags.

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                                                                                                                                  budlit Dec 10, 2013 07:39 AM

                                                                                                                                  Why do you say they're dick bags?

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                                                                                                                                    jessejames Dec 10, 2013 09:26 AM

                                                                                                                                    a little side of oppression with your toro?

                                                                                                                                    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/...

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                                                                                                                                      budlit Dec 10, 2013 09:49 AM

                                                                                                                                      Yes, Dick bags indeed!

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                                                                                                                                        ns1 Dec 10, 2013 11:06 AM

                                                                                                                                        The blood sweat and tears are what makes it so delicious

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                                                                                                                                      westsidegal Dec 10, 2013 10:10 AM

                                                                                                                                      completely concur with you, jessejames.
                                                                                                                                      will not be setting foot in the place.

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                                                                                                                                      jesstifer Dec 4, 2013 11:13 AM

                                                                                                                                      Oki Dog.

                                                                                                                                      Finally had one and thought it was the most disgusting thing I'd ever tasted. Walked out after three bites. And the atmosphere! One notch above the inside of a septic tank.

                                                                                                                                      Oh, and +1 on Gladstone's.

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                                                                                                                                        jessejames Dec 4, 2013 11:17 AM

                                                                                                                                        As Spinal Taps says, 'you know where you stand in a hellhole' .... sometimes it would turn my stomach but i kinda like it at a certain hour and in a certain state of mind!

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                                                                                                                                          kevin Dec 4, 2013 12:40 PM

                                                                                                                                          That septic tank atmosphere is quite endearing.

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                                                                                                                                          Ernie Dec 4, 2013 11:59 AM

                                                                                                                                          Umami by a mile

                                                                                                                                          Vile, unbearably greasy (and I love rich foods), poor value and poor service

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                                                                                                                                            maudies5 Dec 4, 2013 12:03 PM

                                                                                                                                            Ernie, re: your assessment of Unami. My thoughts exactly.

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                                                                                                                                              kevin Dec 4, 2013 12:41 PM

                                                                                                                                              My enjoyment of Umami decreased exponentially after I visited a couple times when it was a sole burger joint on LaBrea.

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                                                                                                                                              bringiton Dec 5, 2013 02:12 PM

                                                                                                                                              Agreed! The place is a rip off and the food is overly greasy and VERY poor service.

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                                                                                                                                                jspepper Dec 12, 2013 01:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                Add Plan Check to that list. Terrible food and unoriginal owner/chef.

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                                                                                                                                                  wienermobile Dec 12, 2013 07:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Kindly disagree about Plan Check. Some of the best fried chicken in the city

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                                                                                                                                                    jspepper Dec 12, 2013 07:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                    Try Edibles in Century City for fried chicken. Only served once a month.

                                                                                                                                                    And that's one dish. And doesn't overcome the attitude of the place.

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                                                                                                                                                      Servorg Dec 12, 2013 07:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                      I guess we've eaten at Plan Check 5 or 6 times and I've never encountered any sort of problematic attitude by anybody. The servers have all been quite friendly and helpful. What attitude did you run into that has made you so negative on the place?

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                                                                                                                                                        jspepper Dec 12, 2013 07:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                        It was a terrible overall experience from the GM to the executive chef owner to the hostess to the waitstaff ... and then the food coming out cold (when the restaurant was empty).

                                                                                                                                                        The executive chef and GM were busy watching the Lakers, though, so that was okay.

                                                                                                                                                        And overall, for the price, the food was fair, cold, and small portions.

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                                                                                                                                                          Servorg Dec 12, 2013 08:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                          I'll just say since they cook the food to order so I'm not sure how it would come out cold? I do find their burgers slightly smaller than a lot of the behemoth ones you find out there these days. But the burgers are quite tasty and rich so they end up being filling. Their fried chicken sandwich and their pastrami "nosh" with the egg on top are both excellent as well.

                                                                                                                                                          If this was your only visit and things went that horribly wrong maybe another try is in order? I just can't believe you would be unlucky enough to catch so many bad breaks at Plan Check a second time.

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                                                                                                                                                            jspepper Dec 12, 2013 08:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Exactly - we watched our food sit up there, no one watching the kitchen or waitstaff until 10-15 minutes later, someone brought us our food.

                                                                                                                                                            The burgers were okay. Nothing to write home about. And that's my point - if you're going to mock Umami, you can't give the former executive chef who left to do his own (albeit unoriginal) thing with burgers a break with him being so great and original. It's the same stuff but with just 2 locations.

                                                                                                                                                            And my friend who went with me went back. Was still unimpressed. I won't go back - I don't want to give them my money.

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                                                                                                                                                      jessejames Dec 12, 2013 08:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                      my favorite burgers esp the blue print burger ... unlike so many others they are consistent in cooking to medium rare -- take note golden state!

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                                                                                                                                                        Dirtywextraolives Dec 12, 2013 05:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                        My golden state burger was cooked perfectly medium rare.....

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                                                                                                                                                          jessejames Dec 12, 2013 06:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                          Glad to hear it

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                                                                                                                                                      Wayno Dec 12, 2013 02:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Will join in the disagreement about Plan Check. Been there many times and always a very fine experience, food and service-wise. Given the overwhelming acclaim for Plan Check on this board, which doesn't shy away from dissing a place, I'm going to believe you had an aberrational experience (and, if it's a convenient location for you and you would like it to be good, hope you'll give it another try). Also, not sure what the "unoriginal" comment even means, other than something of a personal attack on the proprietor of the place where you no doubt had a bad experience.

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                                                                                                                                                        kevin Dec 12, 2013 03:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                        I do hve to say that usually when I leave Plan Check I leave with that very heavy feeling even though the burgers are small.

                                                                                                                                                        And I don't have much of an appetite for the rest of the day if I partook during lunch service.

                                                                                                                                                  2. Wayno Dec 4, 2013 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Villa Blanca (eye candy notwithstanding).

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                                                                                                                                                      kevin Dec 4, 2013 01:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Oh, yeah, we had a previous discussion about that joint. I just recalled.

                                                                                                                                                    2. Searching4Dunny Dec 4, 2013 01:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Bar Ama. I was enthusiastic about sampling upgraded Tex-Mex in our fair land but nothing satisfied. Puffy tacos, queso, et al. were disappointments.

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                                                                                                                                                        maudies5 Dec 4, 2013 02:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                        Lemonade. I always feel a little sick after eating their food

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                                                                                                                                                          jessejames Dec 4, 2013 02:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                          funny - my bro says that about some places like tsujita that he goes to over and over again -- he says there are some places worth the diar...

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                                                                                                                                                            foufou Dec 4, 2013 03:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                            food is really mediocre at Lemonade....unfortunately I have had worse

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                                                                                                                                                            foufou Dec 4, 2013 03:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                            Pie n Burger and Burger Continental in Pasadena are on my list...

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                                                                                                                                                              Dirtywextraolives Dec 5, 2013 01:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                              Thank you. Complete agreement here.

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                                                                                                                                                                Will Owen Dec 13, 2013 04:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Interesting. I love Pie'n'Burger and loathe Burger Continental, though the worst of our problems with BC have probably been settled after their recent prolonged closure, when they had to make major repairs and extensive cleanup. But then there was the night we were alone in the (stinky) back patio except for one waitress and several of her friends, with who she was conversing instead of acknowledging our presence … for a good thirty minutes. Finally I approached and politely inquired as to the possibility of buying some food, whereupon she damn near took my face off. Haven't been back since.

                                                                                                                                                                Pie'n'Burger, on the other hand, has disappointed me only once, with a very underachieving patty melt. It bore no resemblance to the monster J. Gold had raved about a few days before; I've been told I need to try again. I also adore their tuna sandwiches and the potato salad. Almost as good as Philippe's, or mine,

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                                                                                                                                                                  foufou Dec 13, 2013 04:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  I have never had a good meal at either place but yes Burger Continental is by far the lesser of the two.

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                                                                                                                                                                  chillyinla Dec 28, 2013 03:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  I absolutely agree with Pie N Burger nomination... old decor, overly greasy burgers and meh pie.

                                                                                                                                                                3. love2eat Dec 4, 2013 04:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  The Yukon Mining Company Restaurant in West Hollywood. Thank god it is now gone for good. Truly horrific.

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                                                                                                                                                                    jesstifer Dec 4, 2013 06:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Oh god, yes. Used to get dragged there by a housemate all the time. OT, I do already miss the Los Burritos in the same lot that just closed a few weeks ago. 'Twas my go-to local chile verde.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. Ciao Bob Dec 4, 2013 06:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Is it possible to have Two Least Favorites?
                                                                                                                                                                    If so, I will add Mr. Chow as well.
                                                                                                                                                                    Frightening Food, Frighteningly Expensive.

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                                                                                                                                                                      maudies5 Dec 4, 2013 06:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Urth Cafe on Melrose. Long wait to order, long wait to be served, long time before tables are cleared, deafening noise level. Good coffee and good desserts. Entrees are meh. Also, lousy parking.

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                                                                                                                                                                        Bradbury Dec 4, 2013 07:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Another (generic) choice for my Least Favorite list: any gourmet/artisan/third-wave/etc. coffee house that doesn't open until 9am. C'mon, guys, we don't *all* get to live on Eurotrash Standard Time...

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                                                                                                                                                                          Thor123 Dec 5, 2013 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          How could I forget? VILLA BLANCA!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                            jessejames Dec 5, 2013 03:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            dude, took a lot of balls to even try it out!

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                                                                                                                                                                              Thor123 Dec 5, 2013 03:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              It was when it first opened and the staff was a big draw. However, no one is attractive enough to compensate for the horrific service, vapid staff, crummy food and clueless trash that frequent the place IMHO.

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                                                                                                                                                                                jessejames Dec 5, 2013 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                this is better, and the food is decent...

                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.buckwilds.net/menu/

                                                                                                                                                                                not for everyone

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Thor123 Dec 5, 2013 03:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Menu looks interesting.

                                                                                                                                                                                  With so many places people are critical of, thank god we can all agree and take refuge at The Stinking Rose!

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                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin Dec 5, 2013 04:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Undoubtedly sounds like a great chow meet joint.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    TonyC Dec 5, 2013 04:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    So the food is better than dames n games? (Also owned by Spearmint Rhino, with essentially the same menu.)

                                                                                                                                                                                    I've tried the $3 burger (for research purposes only, also took a lot of balls): http://www.damesngames.net/menu/ and it was about the same quality as a $6 burger @ Carl's Jr.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      jessejames Dec 5, 2013 04:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      id say better than you'd expect...didn't thor said he liked his skin with juicy breasts? maybe more research is necessary...after all this is the worst restaurants in la thread

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Caution is the watchword - too much dry rub on those perky breasts and you can develop a thor spot...

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                                                                                                                                                                                          jessejames Dec 5, 2013 04:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          the menu features a yanked bbq pork sandwich and happy endings...

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Gypsy Jan Dec 9, 2013 03:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I came to this thread late and, Servorg, that's just awful punishing.

                                                                                                                                                                                            That is all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        JeMange Dec 5, 2013 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        There's something about the combination of (live) flesh and food I find deeply unappetizing but the addition of a mechanical bull may cause me to reassess this particular prejudice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          love2eat Dec 5, 2013 06:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          SADDLE RANCH!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        linus Dec 5, 2013 03:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        "vapid intelligence"?
                                                                                                                                                                                        is that like "diet poutine" or "non alcoholic vodka"?

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Thor123 Dec 5, 2013 03:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Something like that. I hope my edit is more to your liking.

                                                                                                                                                                                  3. Baron Dec 6, 2013 01:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Polentino in Culver City! The absolute worst.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      westsidegal Dec 8, 2013 11:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      not only is polentino awful now, it was also awful in it's previous incarnations.
                                                                                                                                                                                      judging from the food, the same person has been running the show through all the generations of this awfulness.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Baron Dec 9, 2013 11:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe its just a front for money laundering...its so bad.. as in Breaking Bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I think someone already mentioned Gladstones...but it bears repeating......stay away!

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Amy Amy Dec 9, 2013 09:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Totally agree with Gladstones. The food is way bland and then has the nerve to be expensive to boot.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Thor123 Dec 14, 2013 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Like Sfixio and the Indian joint on Doheney just south of Wilshire. Money laundering is the only explanation. Never anyone there and (at least at Sfixio) the food is beyond bad.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        yd914 Dec 8, 2013 10:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Recess in Glendale.

                                                                                                                                                                                        It's close to my office so my coworkers flock there for birthdays/team lunches. I've been there a few times and have never liked it but the most recent occasion was a disaster:
                                                                                                                                                                                        I tried ordering a burger medium rare and it came out well-done. The server noticed I was disappointed so he brought me a new one, but the second one was raw. I've eaten my body's weight many times over in beef tartar and carpaccio so I don't have a problem with raw meat but this patty was cold on the inside and still pink on the rim. I felt bad because the chef and waiter were so nice and came out and apologized and generously gave us tons of free dessert, but man, they really need to learn how to make a proper burger.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          chewbacca Dec 8, 2013 11:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Stinking Rose.....but I guess it is good for my diet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Servorg Dec 9, 2013 07:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I'll say one thing about the SR...there are almost 1700 "reviews" about it on Yelp, and yet the restaurant still is averaging 4 stars. While I don't read individual Yelp reviews for any reason other than entertainment (some of those 1 star reviews are absolute gems in terms of making me laugh) the fact that there is truth in sheer data numbers can't be ignored. I am willing to bet that for those that love them some garlic, the SR is usually a hit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames Dec 9, 2013 08:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              the menu looked good to me! steaks (and not $60 type), prime rib, crab, shrimp, clams... if it weren't right across the street from my favorite restaurant (lawrys) i probably would have tried it by now!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin Dec 9, 2013 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                JJ. Hit both of those suckers up on the same night and report back.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin Dec 9, 2013 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  And then you can report back why you should have just visited Shunjis instead.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    jessejames Dec 9, 2013 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    first of all i can't walk to shunjis...but i love lawrys....no back to back...i also got a special soft spot for matsuhisa across the street...heck, fogo de chao is solid!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thor123 Dec 14, 2013 10:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Best steak in town as you well know.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. aching Dec 9, 2013 10:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Yamashiro. Horrifying.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  foodiemahoodie Dec 9, 2013 04:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'd like to think I haven't been to my least favorite place. Not sure what this thread is trying to do - but I see complaining about a restaurant is much more popular than praising it. I try to find good restaurants. Perhaps if this was worded something along the lines of "place you try to avoid but cannot and end up eating there despite the now unbroken promise to yourself that you would never, ever return." And to add another qualifier to that "because the food sucks".

                                                                                                                                                                                                  And, least favorite - is that still on your favorites list? Just the least one?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Gladstones - went there with a group. One friend was dying and he wanted to go. So, to accommodate a man's last dyinig wish - we went to Gladstone's. He got good and blitzed and everything was great (including weather) but the food still sucked. RIP. (natural causes, not the food)

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Musso & Franks. I always have fun here, but the food is just ridiculous. I assume this was great food 70 years ago. We've come a long way baby. Fun memories here too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Pacific Dining Car. Really? You can't do a better than decent prime rib at this price? This place is like visiting a prostitute - you do it because it's late, you're drunk and feeling desperate, but afterwards you feel cheap, degraded, but you're no longer hungry. And you swear you'l never do it again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Polo Lounge. Some people think it has good food. I say, at best, "not bad". Great, kookie memories here - especially the time Phil Spector threatened to kill me. And I ended up leaving with the girl he came in with.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dan Tana's. Okay, it has a great steak. Best in the city perhaps. The "lamb chops" are also great. Everything else? Like Musso's. Mediocre. Great steak, but at a price so high if feels exploitative Best memory here? Too many to mention. My fav is a blind date with a girl who recounted the exciting adventure of dream date by friend of hers went on. Turns out - I not only knew the girl in question - I was on that dream date with her.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin Dec 9, 2013 04:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sorry, for orignally posting this question.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    But your post in response just made my day especially in regards to your thoughts on the Polo Lounge and Dan Tana's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    And you made a terrible original post exceedingly better.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Musso's and Tana's are both lots of fun. But these days Tana's is even funner and hte food is better in my opinion. I do like their Americanzied interpretation of Italian food and after more than a few drinks it all tastes good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      jessejames Dec 9, 2013 07:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Great post!
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think you are safe from Phil now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I agree tons of misses at dan tanas and musso and franks. But some gems and fun atmosphere for me. So don't fuck up and misorder!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        maudies5 Dec 9, 2013 07:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Best post I have ever read on this board. I also happen to agree with you. Terrific writing. Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          kevin Dec 9, 2013 10:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I agree with you on Mr foodie's post.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          medrite Dec 12, 2013 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Please let us know when you write your memoirs. That sounds like a book I'd like to read.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            kevin Dec 12, 2013 03:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Me too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Juicy tidbits, et al.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          elizabetheatsfood Dec 11, 2013 12:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chin Chin.....horrifying food. And Real Food Daily. Like eating cardboard. (And I love M by chaya, great healthy food)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            ivankrueger Dec 11, 2013 05:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cafe Figaro. Horrible, fake French food. Terrible, snooty, fake French waiters. Filled with Los Feliz d-bag types/celebrities, all not aware that, while the ambiance is Paris-esque, the food and service is poop.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              silverlakebodhisattva Dec 12, 2013 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bingo! Figaro may be it for me; pricey, uninspired food, served barely competently, but with tons of 'tude. ...and the atmosphere isn't particularly Parisian.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                bringiton Dec 13, 2013 11:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Don't you mean that the food and service are le poop?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                TriggyLA Dec 12, 2013 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                If only for the fact that they don't do any substitutions of any kind then Father's Office. And for what I did have I wasn't that impressed anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                And I agree with others about Umami... fad

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  silverlakebodhisattva Dec 12, 2013 01:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'd like to throw in an honorable mention to Terroni in the "Chef is God, and you shall not blaspheme his food" category for "NO, we will NOT bring you a knife to cut the pizza! You may not cut your pizza with a knife! What are you, some sort of uncultured Philistine s**t-heap!?!?"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wayno Dec 12, 2013 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    OMG, did that really happen??

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      silverlakebodhisattva Dec 18, 2013 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      All but the last sentence, which was implied in the tone and facial expression.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Servorg Dec 12, 2013 02:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don't ever tell them what the knife is for (and if you really want to slip under the radar then only ask the busboy - the no attitude dude at every restaurant). (g)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kevin Dec 12, 2013 03:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "the no attitude dude at every restaurant" ---- that is very true.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MoreMolecules Dec 12, 2013 07:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wait, how are you supposed to eat the pizza then? Like a dog?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Dirtywextraolives Dec 13, 2013 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think you're supposed to use your butter knives...... Don't know, won't go...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mucho gordo Dec 13, 2013 12:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You pick up the slice with your bare hand. No forks/knives allowed except for princesses.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MoreMolecules Dec 13, 2013 01:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But I thought the pizza wasn't sliced. Oh bother I don't even care anymore!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Dirtywextraolives Dec 14, 2013 08:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Mucho, the whole pie arrives unsliced. They expect you to slice it at the table.....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mucho gordo Dec 14, 2013 11:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm assuming they don't provide a cutting wheel, either, correct? I've never heard of that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                QualityMart Dec 14, 2013 11:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Read this article:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. wienermobile Dec 13, 2013 11:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Micah Wexler's Mezze for closing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thor123 Dec 13, 2013 01:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm with you on that one! Loved that place. I had hoped they would re-open, but so far no. Though not as good and Italian, Mercato di Vetro is a bit similar to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              smntstatus Dec 13, 2013 01:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Katsuya, Gottsui, and Natalee Thai are three of the worst. Katsuya is breathtakingly overhyped, expensive, and packed with tourists. Gottsui has overwhelmed servers and gummy, one-note, generic, bad-Chinese-food-brown-sauce-covered okonomiyaki. And Natalee Thai personally offended me with their food, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised with thai food in Beverly Hills.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thor123 Dec 13, 2013 02:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                There are actually a couple of things at Natalee Thai I really like, although they may be Thai hybrid. The Thai Chicken and the pork are both very tasty IMO. Dont totally diss thai in BH if you have not been to Night & Market. Its really West Hollywood, but just by a block.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  maudies5 Dec 13, 2013 09:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I completely agree with your assessment of Katsuya. Their prices are much too high, service and food do not justify those prices. I'm talking about Brentwood location.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    carter Dec 15, 2013 04:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Also keep in mind that the Katsuyas on the south side of Mulholland Drive are operated by SBE Entertainment, while the Valley places are under control of Katsuya himself.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Big difference, as in local control. Valley ones still very busy, and good sushi is never going to be cheap, or it is not good sushi.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sam D. Dec 15, 2013 07:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Original Pantry

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was a long time frequent customer when they used to serve decent meals in large portions at reasonable prices. In the late 1990s they went into a long, steady decline in quality while at the same time their menu prices were steadily rising. For a while I kept returning occasionally in the hope that they would somehow return to their former stature. The last meal I had there was a chicken fried steak which was absolutely horrible except for the cole slaw. That was about 4-5 years ago and I’ll never go back there again.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    westsidegal Dec 15, 2013 07:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    the riordan curse.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      silverlakebodhisattva Dec 18, 2013 09:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      There are those who've opined that when the Health Department shuttered them for a day, when Riordan first bought the place, and made them steam-clean behind the stoves and stuff, the removal of the patina of the preceding 40+ years of baked-on smoke and grease caused a deterioration in the food...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jessejames Dec 18, 2013 09:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i think their breakfast potatos are some of the best of the non-shredded variety, and their toast has also always been on point for me...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JAB Dec 18, 2013 01:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I remember the breakfast potatoes tasting of margarine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jessejames Dec 18, 2013 01:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i thought bacon grease

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              JAB Dec 18, 2013 01:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That I would have loved.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jessejames Dec 18, 2013 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                margarine always a turnoff for me too -- can you hear me IHOP?

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