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Bells! NYC! Finally!

MOREKASHA Nov 26, 2013 01:23 PM

Finally, Bells is coming to NYC. No more long road trips to DC. http://bellsbeer.com/blog/231-Bell_s_...

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    RedTop RE: MOREKASHA Nov 26, 2013 02:20 PM

    But honestly...you need to venture to Kalamazoo to really experience the brewery's brilliance.

    Happy that you have found the brew in your neighborhood.

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      TombstoneShadow RE: MOREKASHA Nov 26, 2013 06:36 PM

      Bell's makes several great brews, but for my money Expedition Stout is at the top of their list... that stuff is just sublime.

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        Slightly Grey RE: TombstoneShadow Nov 27, 2013 05:51 AM

        +1 on the Expedition. I buy a case every year and cellar it. The '11 is drinking really good right now. Also, grab some Black Note when it comes out - dynamite stuff!

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          TombstoneShadow RE: Slightly Grey Nov 27, 2013 10:04 AM

          Geez... first I ever heard of Bells Black Note... that sounds like awesome stout too...

          How would you contrast the flavors??

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            Slightly Grey RE: TombstoneShadow Nov 27, 2013 12:27 PM

            Think of a combination of Cream Stout and Expedition mixed together and then bourbon barrel aged. Close as I can get. Similar to Goose Island Bourbon County Stout, but tastes a little sweeter and smoother to me.

      2. MVNYC RE: MOREKASHA Nov 27, 2013 10:26 AM

        Good news. I love Bells, especially that sour cherry stout. I'm normally not enamored of fruit beers but that one is pretty unique

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          worldwarz RE: MOREKASHA Nov 27, 2013 08:25 PM

          I refuse to drink Bells anymore because they do not support the Michigan beer industry.

          Founders, Shorts, Greenbush are all better choices.

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            Tripeler RE: worldwarz Nov 27, 2013 08:35 PM

            In what way does Bells not support the Michigan beer industry? And, what part of the Michigan beer industry? This is all fairly curious to me.

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              worldwarz RE: Tripeler Nov 27, 2013 08:41 PM

              http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.s...
              http://journalismatwmu.com/michigan-c...

              Bells was not at the Detroit Fall Beer festival

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                Tripeler RE: worldwarz Nov 28, 2013 12:33 AM

                Thanks for the links which brought this issue to me. I find it interesting that this is a Michigan issue and you live in Arizona. Recently move?

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                  worldwarz RE: Tripeler Nov 28, 2013 01:31 AM

                  Born and raised in Michigan, moved to AZ for work, then moved back to MI a couple of years ago. Should probably change that.

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                  Josh RE: worldwarz Nov 29, 2013 06:00 AM

                  That attorney sounds like a real piece of work. Not only is he aware of pay-to-play politics, he actually defends and endorses it. I think it speaks well of Mr. Bell that he has no interest in participating in the legalized bribery of our corrupt political system.

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                  worldwarz RE: Tripeler Nov 27, 2013 08:45 PM

                  Larry Bell doesn't want any competition.

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                    RedTop RE: worldwarz Nov 28, 2013 03:25 AM

                    If that is so, (which I hope is not true) he and his staff are really myopic.

                    Founders, Short's, Atwater, Original Gravity, Hopcat & a score of other real, real craft brewers continue to expand their reach and gain converts here in MI and throughout the midwest.

                    My thinking is that good product will drive out bad, so Interbev and that Mexican giant will be taking it on the chin going forward. That's MY hope, anyway.

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                  Jim Dorsch RE: worldwarz Nov 28, 2013 05:50 AM

                  What must a Michigan brewer do to support the Michigan beer industry? Who decides what constitutes support and what doesn't? Is one to silently acquiesce if he disagrees with the majority?

                  I don't know a lot about the Michigan beer industry. I know that Larry Bell has done much to support the craft-beer industry in the United States. For example: http://swmichigan.secondwavemedia.com...

                  (Disclosure: I am a friend of Larry Bell.)

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                    worldwarz RE: Jim Dorsch Nov 28, 2013 08:41 PM

                    Well it would be nice if he would continue to support the industry instead of trying to hold it back.

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                      Jim Dorsch RE: worldwarz Nov 29, 2013 02:04 AM

                      Judging by your response, I assume you don't care to answer my questions.

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                      Insidious Rex RE: Jim Dorsch Dec 2, 2013 10:52 AM

                      Didnt he break the back of a monopolistic distributor in Illinois by refusing to allow his beer to be sold there for 2 years? I believe he was worried about the new distributor limiting what beers he could sell there or something like that. I remember thinking how ironic it was I could buy Bells in the DC area and people in Chicago couldnt get a Two Hearted. Glad he returned to the area and glad hes expanding to new states with the help of his Comstack facility.

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                        Jim Dorsch RE: Insidious Rex Dec 2, 2013 02:32 PM

                        this is the story

                        http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/...

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                          MOREKASHA RE: Jim Dorsch Dec 2, 2013 04:03 PM

                          It's a great story and sadly representative of stupid archaic laws.

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                            Jim Dorsch RE: MOREKASHA Dec 2, 2013 05:02 PM

                            There is plenty of activity in various states as brewers try to make franchise laws more friendly.

                            What Larry Bell did in Illinois was supremely brave.

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                              MOREKASHA RE: Jim Dorsch Dec 3, 2013 01:26 PM

                              What were the replacement brews like?

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                                Jim Dorsch RE: MOREKASHA Dec 3, 2013 06:54 PM

                                I didn't have them. I've been out east for many years and don't get back to Chicago often.

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                                cwdonald RE: Jim Dorsch Dec 4, 2013 06:21 AM

                                There was nothing brave about it. The reality is Bell's cannot make enough beer for the total demand for its beer. He chose not to sell in a market where he didn't have the level of control he wanted. It was a choice, and it didn't hurt the bottom line in the long run. But brave it was not. Soldiers are brave, entrepreneurs take calculated risks.

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                                  Jim Dorsch RE: cwdonald Dec 4, 2013 06:45 AM

                                  Bell's immediately started to ship large quantities of beer to new markets, such as Virginia. Clearly, they could make enough beer at that time.

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                                    cwdonald RE: Jim Dorsch Dec 4, 2013 09:00 AM

                                    Au contraire.. they were not shipping to those markets before pulling out of Illinois. Assuming they didn't change their production levels shows that they are not making enough beer to fulfill all the demand in the market. The fact that they shipped to other markets immediately after pulling out showed there was pent up demand for Bells product and they could easily afford to pull out of the state. When you have pent up demand, and alternative markets you have leverage.

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                                      Jim Dorsch RE: cwdonald Dec 4, 2013 10:02 AM

                                      That's fine, except you don't know if the demand exists until you ship the product.

                                      My last word (unless you provoke the dickens out of me). Cheers.

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                                Josh RE: MOREKASHA Dec 3, 2013 07:06 AM

                                Not so much archaic as corrupt.

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                                  Jim Dorsch RE: Josh Dec 3, 2013 08:33 AM

                                  well said

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                        TombstoneShadow RE: MOREKASHA Dec 4, 2013 07:55 AM

                        just ordered some rare (for around here) tequila by mail order a couple months back... it was great.

                        Maybe I'll have to think about ordering some unique beers by mail order too...

                        Not thinking run-of-the-mill 6 packs, but like single bottles of worldwide stout or dreadnaught p.a. Would like to try that new Bells stout too (black note). For that matter haven't had an expedition since back in the day in chicago...

                        Anyone else order their beer online these days? I know the delivery price sucks...

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                          MOREKASHA RE: TombstoneShadow Dec 4, 2013 03:55 PM

                          For years a buddy and myself would order a case of Deschutes Jubel and some other NW x mas/rare beers and ship them to NYC. These days, with local availability and the economy, we don't do that.

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                            TombstoneShadow RE: MOREKASHA Dec 4, 2013 11:17 PM

                            Speaking of Deschutes, I just saw a large bottle of Deschutes "freshies" with amarillo hops... almost snagged it...

                            I tried their "fresh squeezed" awhile back and it was real good... anyone try freshies ???

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                            RB Hound RE: TombstoneShadow Dec 4, 2013 08:27 PM

                            In most cases, it is a waste of money to do this for beer, because unless you live in the middle of nowhere you will probably get a decent number of comparable beers in your area. Where do you live?

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                              TombstoneShadow RE: RB Hound Dec 4, 2013 11:16 PM

                              RB; I agree that's generally the case... I can always find as you describe a "comparable" beer... at least in the near-ballpark. But for some beers there just is no comparison, they are so unique... that's what I'm thinking I need to use internet/mail order for... just those rare bottles.

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                                LStaff RE: TombstoneShadow Dec 5, 2013 07:32 AM

                                If you are looking for rarez join beer advocate or rate beer and trade for them.

                                I used to covet beers I couldn't get but quickly got over it when I figured out how much it would cost to ship them. I also find it more gratifying drinking the beers that I know will satisfy my desires that I can find on a regular or semi regular basis. But it is nice when they just appear in front of me out of the blue, at beer fests, or trying them when I travel.

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                                  cwdonald RE: LStaff Dec 5, 2013 09:47 AM

                                  Drink local .. think global!

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