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Isn't a pot roast cooked in a POT?

i_am_Lois Nov 23, 2013 07:26 PM

I see threads where people discuss their pot roasts and often they mention roasting times in their oven. I've always cooked a pot roast in a pot on a burner on my stove top. The oven doesn't get turned on if I'm making a pot roast. I use this method to tenderize larger, tough cuts of beef. The beef steams in the pot for hours. A better cut of beef can roast in the oven. So is an oven roasted piece of beef a pot roast too?

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  1. ttoommyy RE: i_am_Lois Nov 23, 2013 07:34 PM

    Some people sear on the stovetop and cook the pot roast (in a pot) in the oven.

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      jw615 RE: ttoommyy Nov 23, 2013 08:07 PM

      I sear and then cook in the slow cooker often and I call it a pot roast, but maybe I'm cheating.

      It tastes good.

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      magiesmom RE: i_am_Lois Nov 23, 2013 07:34 PM

      I prefer to cook a pot roast in a covered it in the oven as I find it easier to keep the heat even.
      Many people do this, many prefer stove top.
      Contrary to the Cooks Illustrateds etc, there is more than one way to do things.

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        c oliver RE: magiesmom Nov 23, 2013 07:37 PM

        I'm like you. I sear and then cook in the oven. Easier to maintain a low temp... with no tending.

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          magiesmom RE: c oliver Nov 23, 2013 08:25 PM

          Yes, I do sear on stovetop first, unless I am making my aunt's no sear brisket recipe.

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            i_am_Lois RE: c oliver Nov 24, 2013 03:12 PM

            I sear, set meat aside, add onion, garlic, some beef stock. Put in a small rack, place beef on the rack then crimp foil tightly around lid. On the stove top at a low heat setting it cooks unattended for hours, till I'm ready to let the roast rest, make the gravy & serve.

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              tastesgoodwhatisit RE: c oliver Nov 26, 2013 12:26 AM

              I have a gas stove, and even with a diffuser on the lowest setting you have to watch it carefully for burning.

          2. Cherylptw RE: i_am_Lois Nov 23, 2013 07:35 PM

            My grandmother always did pot roast in the oven.

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              Springhaze2 RE: i_am_Lois Nov 23, 2013 08:29 PM

              It is really about searing the meat on the stove and then cooking it at a low and steady temperature. It can be on the stove, in the oven or in a Crock Pot. It really depends on how much attention you want to give to the dish as it is cooking.

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                chowser RE: Springhaze2 Nov 24, 2013 05:33 AM

                Exactly. Alton Brown does his in foil:

                http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/al...

              2. bbqboy RE: i_am_Lois Nov 23, 2013 08:33 PM

                A pot roast in our family was always a seven bone roast, cooked as you describe, Lois.
                It describes a specific luscious meal to me, something I rarely encounter now that i'm an old man living alone. It has to have the potatoes and carrots cooked in with the roast too. :)

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                  i_am_Lois RE: bbqboy Nov 24, 2013 12:46 AM

                  Can't forget those onions bbqboy... and I always drop in a clove or 2 of garlic. Helps to create a gravy worthy of that luscious meat.

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                    c oliver RE: bbqboy Nov 24, 2013 09:50 AM

                    I never add vegetables until late in the cooking process. Otherwise, IMO, they're mush and only good for making gravy with.

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                      bbqboy RE: c oliver Nov 24, 2013 09:52 AM

                      I love em when they turn to mush. :)

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                        c oliver RE: bbqboy Nov 24, 2013 10:00 AM

                        To each his/her own. I ate enough overcooked vegetables growing up in the South :(

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                        kariin RE: c oliver Nov 24, 2013 10:43 AM

                        Agreed, so I add the second batch of prepped vegetables - longest cooking items first (potatoes, carrots, turnips) then red onions etc. Depending on temp I allow 1-1/2 hr for the second batch to become tender. Prepped veggies make all the difference.

                    2. C. Hamster RE: i_am_Lois Nov 24, 2013 06:20 AM

                      It goes in the oven in a covered pot. It's called braising.

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                        mwhitmore RE: C. Hamster Nov 24, 2013 06:42 AM

                        And yet....isn't pot-roasting different? My Grandma made hers in the oven, covered, with no liquid. Then made a gravy out of the drippings. To me, braising is partly immersed in liquid.

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                          Gastronomos RE: mwhitmore Nov 24, 2013 06:50 AM

                          she made a roast, not a pot roast, despite what cut of meat and what she and you call it.

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                            i_am_Lois RE: mwhitmore Nov 24, 2013 12:32 PM

                            I brown my roast, then set it on a round rack so it sits above the liquid in the pot. I find if it's partly immersed in liquid for hours, the bottom half has a different texture & flavor. I prefer my roasts completely steamed (braised), not partially boiled.

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                              c oliver RE: i_am_Lois Nov 24, 2013 01:36 PM

                              In my round DOs I make a 'donut' out of aluminum foil.

                        2. hill food RE: i_am_Lois Nov 24, 2013 06:40 AM

                          the term is just about the enclosure used or not.

                          I hate pot roast. hate it. (sorry, was I vague? I hate it. - more for the dog.)

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                            juliejulez RE: hill food Nov 24, 2013 07:28 AM

                            I hate it too, you're not alone.

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                              Gastronomos RE: hill food Nov 24, 2013 08:26 AM

                              just outta curiosity, what is it about the pot roast you don't like?

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                                hill food RE: Gastronomos Nov 24, 2013 06:22 PM

                                the type I grew up with was flavorless, no real broth no salt cooked until stringy. had to floss between bites. the very idea makes me cringe to this day. I have since had it done right, but it's not 'better' enough to bring me around.

                                I'd rather just do a regular (rare) dry roast even with a cheap cut.

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                                  c oliver RE: hill food Nov 24, 2013 07:16 PM

                                  I think I have to agree. Just had too many overcooked, flavorless, mushy vegetables pot roast growing up. It's a bias and one I'm not real interested in overcoming :(

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                                  juliejulez RE: Gastronomos Nov 24, 2013 07:20 PM

                                  I can't put my finger on it... not really into any kind of braised beef. I made some short ribs earlier this year, braised in guinness and stock etc and SO raved, and I thought "meh".... just not into them. Odd, because I love dry roasted beef, and beef in general.

                              2. foodieX2 RE: i_am_Lois Nov 24, 2013 07:07 AM

                                My pot roast is cooked in a pot. Is it the oven piece you are taking issue with in regards to whether it can still be a called a pot roast?

                                While oven *roasted* beef is different from a pot roast the two methods you are describing result in essentially the same dish. Both are braised using two different methods. Because of my stove top I find that I get more consistent results in the oven. It's still a pot roast.

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                                  i_am_Lois RE: foodieX2 Nov 24, 2013 03:04 PM

                                  I understand what you're saying and it all sounds logical to use a pot, with braising as the cooking method... and your oven as the source of heat. Yes, I would call that a pot roast too. I have gotten the impression from reading other discussions that some people use a roasting pan, put some foil over it, pop it in the oven & call that a pot roast. I guess my issue is mostly with the vessel used and not so much the heat source.

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                                    512window RE: i_am_Lois Nov 24, 2013 03:26 PM

                                    I use a pot with a lid, never aluminum foil. And I discovered after many years of cooking my pot roasts on the stove, that when they are prepared in the oven, the result is far superior.

                                    But, unlike you, I actually braise the meat in the liquid. In my case, that liquid almost always includes red wine. If I find it's cooking too quickly on the "down" side, I turn the meat over.

                                2. paulj RE: i_am_Lois Nov 24, 2013 03:42 PM

                                  It's pot-roast, one word, not two with emphasis on POT.

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                                    hill food RE: paulj Nov 24, 2013 06:24 PM

                                    hmm but that does expand the possibilities for a dry-rub..

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                                      i_am_Lois RE: paulj Nov 24, 2013 10:13 PM

                                      well when I typed in pot roast (minus the dash between pot and roast) I found Wikipedia has an article about pot roast. Nowhere did it indicate that the word pot roast was one word. I also looked it up in various dictionaries (www.thefreedictionary.com, www.merriam-webster.com, www.oxforddictionaries.com, dictionary.reference.com, dictionary.cambridge.org, www.collinsdictionary.com, www.macmillandictionary.com, www.yourdictionary.com, They all have the meaning for pot roast (without the dash between the 2 words).

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                                        paulj RE: i_am_Lois Nov 24, 2013 11:03 PM

                                        Yes it is written as 2 words, but how do you speak and think it? It also has its own entry in the dictionaries.

                                        But my basic point is that the dish has an identity that is not simply the sum of its parts. It isn't simply a roast cooked in a pot.

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                                          hill food RE: paulj Nov 25, 2013 01:54 AM

                                          " It isn't simply a roast cooked in a pot."

                                          well sure in an ideal world. can you PLEASE disabuse my immediate family? I can't pay travel expenses.

                                          nope, for them it's just a lump of beef in water. maybe some overcooked onions or carrots or potatoes. period.

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                                            paulj RE: hill food Nov 25, 2013 08:20 AM

                                            I have memories of dry meat with too little sauce that had spent the morning in the electric skillet while the rest of us were a church. But I also have memories of snagging the round marrow bone, both for the marrow and the chewier membrane around it.

                                            Without other qualifiers, I think of 'pot roast' as one of the less interesting braised beef dishes. The flavorings are too bland for my taste. I'd rather use wine, garlic and a ton of black pepper (though pepposo might be better described as a stew).

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                                              hill food RE: paulj Nov 26, 2013 12:08 AM

                                              I'm with you, I'd rather do a beef Bourginon (sp?) or something than what I grew up with.

                                    2. Gastronomos RE: i_am_Lois Nov 25, 2013 05:05 AM

                                      " I use this method for to tenderize larger, tough cuts of beef. The beef steams in the pot for hours."

                                      you taught me a method for "pot roast" I have never heard of before, "steaming" meat, on a rack, in a pot, on the stove top.

                                      That said, the diners I know boil an eye round in water, maybe some chicken base until it's "tender" and make a "gravy" with the "stock" by adding a slurry of flour and water... and it's easy to slice and serve . . . easy to slice. and serve.

                                      In our home, we've always used Chuck Roast. Large cuts of Chuck from the shoulder of beef. Browned well, in a 13.5 Qt Le Creuset, finely chopped onions, carrots, celery, tomato paste, salt and pepper and dried oregano, bay leaf or two and flour, wine, stock, water and the beef, bring to a boil, and place in slow oven, so I don't have to keep an eye on it for hours. Why would I want to risk scorching it? Since I don't use a rack to steam it.
                                      When done, gravy is already made in the same pot as well since I added flour in the beginning.
                                      I steam carrots, celery, small onions (boiling onions), and whatever other vegetables I want, add them to the gravy and beef and let set on the counter for at least one hour before serving.

                                      Short ribs was always a different dish for us. Those get oven braised in a roasting pan. And are more tomato based. Not pot roast. Not a roast.

                                      Ultimately, do as you like, if you like, as some write here that they are so used to bad versions, no good version will win them over.

                                      Still, to me, FWIW, a boiled eye round and a steamed large cut of beef do not sound like pot roast to me, but if it's flavorful and enjoyable, "a Rose by any other name..."

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                                        hill food RE: Gastronomos Nov 26, 2013 12:14 AM

                                        one of those 'used to bad versions...' here

                                        now that sounds good, that coupled with the step of searing the cut.

                                        but no, it's just a roast dumped in a crock pot in water, no dredging, no sear, all the vegetables added at the same time. no garlic, no wine. no bay, no salt, no pepper, no sage, no gravy, just the cooking 'jus' (greasy stock really.

                                        god forbid I try to 'help' as it's taken as a mortal insult and someone is pouty for a few days.

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                                          Gastronomos RE: hill food Nov 26, 2013 04:27 AM

                                          I sampled a "beef stew" made for us last year by someone who added all the raw ingredients at once to a crock pot. To be nice and say something about our meal, I complimented him and said that it's a good thing he used boxed beef broth. :-/

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                                            hill food RE: Gastronomos Nov 26, 2013 03:08 PM

                                            well you tried. (and that's nicer than what could be said for him)

                                      2. Karl S RE: i_am_Lois Nov 25, 2013 05:13 AM

                                        I sear on the stove top and cook in the oven: the oven assures even heat from all sides, rather than just the bottom of the pot. (I also crimp a layer of aluminum foil over the pot before I put the pot top on.)

                                        It's pot roast. Braised in a pot. Just in the oven instead of on the stove.

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                                          c oliver RE: Karl S Nov 25, 2013 08:18 AM

                                          Good point about the heat coming from all sides. I also baste every hour or so.

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                                          WNYamateur RE: i_am_Lois Nov 25, 2013 06:41 AM

                                          I don't know if this has any basis in reality - I'd love to ask somebody like Alton - but I always liked the idea that if I cooked it on the stovetop, all the heat was coming up through the liquid at the bottom of the pot.

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                                            Karl S RE: WNYamateur Nov 25, 2013 07:25 AM

                                            No, it's not. That liquid comes to a boil, and release water vapor, which itself conducts heat. The thing about the stove top is that you are unlikely to know what the temperature actually is. In the oven, you'll know.

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                                            LorenzoGA RE: i_am_Lois Nov 26, 2013 03:25 PM

                                            I believe when people mention roasting times in their oven with respect to pot roast, they are referring to roasting the meat IN A POT in the oven. So I see nothing inaccurate about the term "pot roast" for that method. Regardless of whether the pot is on the stove top or the pot is in the oven, it is still a "pot roast" because the meat is roasting (or more accurately, braising) inside a pot.

                                            1. EarlyBird RE: i_am_Lois Nov 26, 2013 03:29 PM

                                              As long as it is cooked in a pot, and braised in some liquid, I consider it "pot roast." I often start on the stove and finish in a low temp oven. The oven is easier to control lower temps for a long period of time.

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