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marinmomma Nov 21, 2013 08:00 AM

Hello,

Has anyone brought a Kitchenaid mixer over to France and had any problems with the voltage/watts being too high for the electrical outlets. I have a new model (Pro 6500) and it's 1 horsepower. I looked at some of the French culinary appliance stores online and they aren't selling it yet. I'm unsure if it's wise to take it over or not. I'm trying to avoid buying a new one there because they're more expensive (at least the kitchenaids are).

Thanks in advance for sharing your mixer experience :)

  1. PBSF Nov 21, 2013 08:10 AM

    You might want to check out the following link:
    http://www.davidlebovitz.com/2009/06/...

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    1. re: PBSF
      John Talbott Nov 21, 2013 11:01 AM

      When I originally set up house in Paris I schlepped over two pretty big transformers and ran a lot of eqpt off them (and still do).
      Then, early 1990's, prices in Paris were three times those in Manhattan.
      Now prices, while not equal, are more reasonable and when I must replace eqpt I find myself factoring in the cost to my back and a taxi vs RER and convenience and have begun a switchover. For instance, this year, a Canon 3in1 printer I got at Darty was not much more than in the US online and an electric wine opener a couple of euros.
      BTW, I do not agree with the Kitchenaid spokesperson that using a transformer is inferior; I've never had a problem.

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        marinmomma Nov 21, 2013 12:21 PM

        Thank you John. I appreciate the response :)

        1. re: John Talbott
          sunshine842 Nov 21, 2013 04:21 PM

          I agree, John -- I ran my big 6-quart Professional model off of one of those great big transformers for 5 years and never had a problem.

          Runs just fine now that it's back home on 110v, too.

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            marinmomma Nov 24, 2013 02:28 PM

            thank you sunshine842

      2. Giannis Nov 21, 2013 10:10 AM

        How much does it cost in France?

        I would like to order it from USA as the price in Greece is about 800 usd for the small and 1500 usd for the big one.

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          marinmomma Nov 21, 2013 12:22 PM

          The KitchenAids in France are upwards of 450 euro. In the U.S we can find them for around $275 now

          1. re: marinmomma
            John Talbott Nov 21, 2013 12:27 PM

            I guess I've been lucky in what's gone bad.

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              tmso Nov 22, 2013 03:28 AM

              You can generally buy appliances like this for 20-40% below list price in Germany. A little searching around on the web, and you can say, visit a Christmas market in western Germany, and buy your KitchenAid, for less than you'd pay in France.

              There are supposed to be good deals in Spain and Portugal, too, if that's a closer border.

          2. chefathome Nov 21, 2013 04:26 PM

            A timely topic as we are moving to Croatia and really, really want my KA Pro and Vitamix there. But we may end up buying in Italy instead. Unsure at this stage.

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            1. re: chefathome
              sunshine842 Nov 21, 2013 04:49 PM

              if you're packing a container anyway, take it (and a big-ass transformer).

              Mine made the move over, and made the move back -- the bar is pretty high to justify putting it in that big metal box.

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              tmso Nov 22, 2013 03:21 AM

              There are two problems with running a North American motor on the French electrical grid: the voltage, and the frequency. You can use a step-down transformer to create an appropriate voltage (ie, 110V). However, you will still be running a motor intended for 60Hz AC on a 50Hz source. That will cause it to wear faster, and for smaller motors will spell death after a year or two or five. A horsepower Kitchenaid should be able to survive that, but it will wear faster.

              If you're moving to France permanently, I recommend just buying a European model. If you're only visiting for a few years, then go ahead and get a transformer, and read your guarantee carefully. You may not want to tell KA that you were using it on a European grid, if you need it serviced.

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              1. re: tmso
                sunshine842 Nov 22, 2013 03:56 AM

                Nope.

                ALL of my kitchen appliances ran just fine, and continue to do so.

                Most appliances are rates 50-60Hz, so not an issue.

                The only thing that died was a small hand mixer.....but the poor thing was more than 20 years old and was a cheapo to begin with, so it's entirely possible it just died a natural death not attributable to electricity.

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                  tmso Nov 22, 2013 04:23 AM

                  Good point about 50/60Hz motors. If the KA says that on it, than there's no problem at all.

              2. PhilD Nov 22, 2013 03:56 PM

                At a higher voltage in Europe the machine will draw less current (amps). A 750 watt (1 horsepower) machine draws 6.9 amps in the US but only 3.2 amps at 230 volts in Europe.

                Toasters and most kettles and coffee makers are higher wattage and so use much more power. The mixer may be powerful but won't strain a French domestic power supply - but do get a transformer - without one it will run very quickly for a very short time then stop forever.

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                  sunshine842 Nov 22, 2013 05:37 PM

                  good add-on-- things that heat up don't run well on a transformer -- so those appliances need to just be replaced, period.

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                    marinmomma Nov 24, 2013 02:35 PM

                    Thank you PhilD

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                    sderham Nov 23, 2013 12:42 PM

                    When I moved to Provence a few years ago, a Dutch friend who had lived in the US recommended that I get a converter and ship some US appliances. I have found that the same appliances here that I buy in the US are 3 to 4 times as expensive in France. So not only do I use my KItchenAid mixer and large Cuisinart that I bought in the US, but I can also buy smaller appliances when I am in the US and the urge strikes me. Last year I bought a small Cusinart and a waffle maker. French waffle makers are at least 30 euros or more and don;t work well. Last spring I paid $10 US for a waffle maker in Walmart and it works great. I (and friends visiting) can also use it to charge US electronics (cameras, etc.) Someone even used it for a US curling iron.

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                    1. re: sderham
                      sunshine842 Nov 23, 2013 02:01 PM

                      keep an eye out at Lidl and Aldi -- both run promos on household appliances, and they're *good* -- my Lidl wafflemaker (€10) ran like a champ, and I gave it to my best friend when we left - it's still working.

                      I bought a crockpot and a Foreman-type grill at Aldi, and all kinds of kitchen gadgets (stick blender, waffle iron, popcorn popper, raclette grill) at Lidl -- and actually hated having to leave them all behind.

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                        sderham Nov 25, 2013 11:52 PM

                        Thanks for the suggestions. There is a Lidl an Aldi in Vaison, where I live but I have not seen appliances there--but will look more closely.
                        However I have tried a French waffle maker. The waffles are too thin, and take forever to cook. My French friends say the same thing. However I will check these stores for other small appliances. Merci encore.

                        1. re: sderham
                          sunshine842 Nov 26, 2013 04:09 AM

                          Sign up for their email alerts or hit their website - they'll have a link to an online edition of their weekly flyer, and you'll see that there will be appliances on offer almost every week.

                          My waffle iron was an American-style waffle iron, and it made fantastic fluffy waffles in just a few minutes.

                          The German version of Consumer Reports regularly ranks both Aldi and Lidl appliances as some of the best on the market. I'd concur.

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                        cparbelle Apr 3, 2014 07:33 PM

                        Dear Sderham,
                        I am in the US for a week and am considering bringing back to France a kitchenaid blender and a toaster. I'm worried about the whole power issue and from reading your note above, it looks like you are making it work with with converter.
                        Could you let me know what converter you use? Where did you buy it (Radioshack or the like?)?
                        Thanks in advance for your help!
                        celine

                        1. re: cparbelle
                          sunshine842 Apr 3, 2014 08:17 PM

                          Leave the toaster. things that heat up don't work well at all, even on a transformer.

                          Finding a great toaster is as easy as a visit to Carrefour/Auchan/Leclerc/Darty/Boulanger/Aldi/Lidl. Then it's wired correctly and won't give you any fits.

                          You buy a transformer from a company that specializes in international relocation and international electronics. We bought ours from a guy in Chicago who was wonderful about taking the time to walk us through everything we needed. The transformer will set you back $80-100, will be the size of a shoebox, and will weight about 7-8 pounds.

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                        mbcraw4d Nov 24, 2013 04:48 AM

                        My biggest fear when moving to France was that my Kitchenaid would explode in smoke and fire. However, my understanding husband got a big-ass transformer (step up/down 5000 watts), and I run all my US appliances on them mostly without problems (hand blender, which had been the crappy Wal-mart variety, started blowing smoke, but everything else runs fine). Thanks to Sunshine for the Aldi/Lidl recommendation: will have to check them out from time to time. And it's true that Germany is cheaper for a lot of stuff: we buy a lot of household items from amazon.de and save money even with the postage.

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                          marinmomma Nov 24, 2013 02:34 PM

                          That's my fear also…exploding in smoke and fire. Thanks for the Aldi/Lidl tip :)

                        2. Antilope Nov 24, 2013 02:43 PM

                          If the French power doesn't work on the 120v U.S. model, someone makes Hand Crank Accessory For the Kitchen-aid. ;-)

                          YouTube Video

                          Kitchen Aid Hand Crank Conversion Mixer
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2AVQ...

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