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Top Chef NOLA - Ep. #8 - 11/20/13 (Spoilers)

LindaWhit Nov 20, 2013 08:21 PM

It's about the PIG. A whole PIG. Thatsalotta PIG!

Quick review in the Stew Room. We find out that Patty had only been cooking for 3 years. Sara calls herself a gooch, meaning bad luck for every team she is part of, they're on the bottom or the middle.

Back at the house, Travis notes to Stephanie that she needed the win. The next morning, they arrive at the TC Kitchen and Dr. John is there next to Padma.

For the Quickfire, they won't be making a dish. Padma tells them they'll be making a favorite condiment found all around the world - hot sauce. Dr. John says he's looking for "hip tang." Brian's confused as to what that is. Dr. John: "If it has flavor nicety of the highest order, and it has tang nicety that mixes in? Killer sauce! I hit it, can't quit it!"

They have 45 minutes to make and bottle their perfect hot sauce. The winner will have immunity in the next Elimination Challenge. Off they rush to the pantry to gather their ingredients. Carlos says "all the pressure will be on me, being the only Mexican chef. I work with chilies all the time, so everybody assumes it's going to be an easy win for me." However, he later states that he only used one pepper in his sauce - a habanero. He asks Nicholas about his sauce - Nicholas said in the confessional that he had his first ulcer when he was 20, and so he's not that fond of hot sauce. He was very nervous person in his 20s, so he's looking to make a balanced sauce.

Some are going Mexican, some are going Asian, some are going Caribbean.

Brian - Jalapeno & Serrano Hot Sauce with Lime & Yuzu Juices. Dr. John has no preference on color; looking for the hip tang. Dr. John said it's kind of different, and that's a good thing.

Shirley - Hot Sauce with Habaneros, Serrano Chilies, Ginger & Pineapple. Dr. John says "off the hook."

Carrie - Trinidadian Inspired Pepper Sauce with Habaneros & Green Mango. The heat hits first, but he's wondering about the tang.

Nicholas - Sweet & Sour Hot Sauce with Smoked Apricots, Vinegar & Coffee. Dr. John gives a "hip tang."

Louis - Fresno Chili, Distilled Vinegar, Maple Syrup & Chili Powder. Dr. John doesn't have a handle on this one at all. Louis isn't sure if it blew his mind, or what.

Stephanie - Peach Vinegar & Habanero Hot Sauce. Another "off the hook; I kind of like it."

Carlos - Yucatan-Style Sauce with Mango, Passion Fruit & Habanero. Dr. John said Carlos was wise to the ways of hot sauce.

Nina - Caribbean Hot Sauce with Habaneros, Ginger, & Apple Cider Vinegar. It's definitely hot.

Justin - Pepper Hot Sauce with Fermented Anchovies. Dr. John digs the anchovies.

(Sara's wasn't shown, nor was Travis's sauce)

Bottom group - Nicholas, Carrie, Nina
Top group - Brian, Justin, Carlos

And the winner is? Brian. He get immunity again, 2nd time in a row.

The Elimination Challenge - it's time to PIG OUT with a Boucherie. In comes a whole hog along with Toby Rodriguez (artist/butcher/chef) and guest judge, Chef Donald Link. A Cajun/Creole boucherie is where a community comes together to break down an animal, and everyone breaks off to use different food items. The 11 cheftestants will butcher a 300 lb. hog. Toby tells them that teamwork during the butchering is very key - so he hopes they all get along.

Padma tells them they'll have 5 hours to cook at Bayou Barn with over 250 guests. Each will serve one dish, but all eleven are responsible to making sure the entire hog is used. Toby and Donald Link will give them a taste of an authentic boucherie this evening by cooking dinner.

They all gather around to break down the hog. Nicholas, Travis, and Justin will be doing the majority of the butchering. Sara says she's taken down a few hogs in her career, but Louis notes that all she is doing it telling Nicholas what to do vs. jumping in helping to break it down.

After they've figured out what cut they're taking, they're off to Whole Foods to shop for the rest of ingredients. Back to the house where Toby and Donald are there cooking them dinner with some sous chefs. They dig in, talk with the chefs who cooked for them. Lots of family reminisces. Turns out that both Carlos and Justin will be making tacos with their pig parts. (Justin grew up in California, so he was familiar with Mexican food.)

The next morning, they head off to the Bayou Barn to start cooking. There's a China box, and a huge smoker-grill. Justin builds a huge fire on his grill, and several people go over to start using it. He complains, Nina tells him she'll remove her pressure cookers on the fire. She uses the "suck a dick' term to him, and Justin isn't happy. Stephanie sees a huge alligator just beyond a bamboo fence and freaks out.

Louis notes that the boucherie is friends and family getting together to share a pig. Back home, he's rather anti-social, just working. But here he's made more friends in the past few weeks than he has his entire life.

Tom Colicchio and Donald Link show up to ask the chefs what they're making. Shirley's Chinese New Year is very similar to the boucherie, and Donald Link is going to be interested to try different flavors.

Justin's grill goes VERY hot - and even though he tries to tame it down with lots of water, his pork starts to overcook. Then Brian checks on his pork in the Cajun oven (same thing as the China box, I believe), and his pork also looks overcooked on the outside, but once he checks it, he's happy. Nina realizes her dish is rather underwhelming, so she adds cayenne, and hopes she doesn't overspice it.

The guests arrive and begin to eat, and are loving the food. Tom and the judges show up, and Tom calls out "Can we cut the line?" Someone calls back "No!" and Tom swears and starts laughing.

Brian - Porchetta with Oyster Mushrooms. Padma likes it.

Sara - Pork Dim Sum with Crab & Shrimp Har Gow. Tom likes her dumpling.

Justin - Wood-Roasted Pork Breast Taco with Pork Liver Salsa Verde. Donald Link said the tortilla was good, but if you're going to cook something a long time, it needs some fat to baste it; otherwise, it's going to be dry.

Carlos - Pozole Verde with Fried Chorizo Tacos. Hugh said it's not the typical boucherie cooking, but Tom said the idea is the spirit of it, and it was delicious.

Shirley - Jiaozi Dumpling with Pork, Grilled Kidney & Crispy Pork Fat Salad. Padma said her dumpling was delicious. Guests said hers was the only dish with cracklings...how can you have a boucherie without cracklings? (referring to the other dishes)

Louis - Slow-Grilled Pork Leg with Spring Onions, Shiitake Mushrooms, Melted Corn & Popcorn. As Hugh is walking to get on line, someone whispers to him "This is the best line!" Tom also notes someone said it to him as well, but it's not the best one, according to Tom. The pork was very well cooked, per Hugh, but everything else was rather confusing and didn't work.

Stephanie - Pork Brodo with Braised Pork Belly & Summer Vegetable Pickle. Padma likes everything except the pork belly, and both she and Donald Link love her broth.

Travis - Cajun-Style Pork Ramen with Pork Bone Broth & Collard Greens. Hugh asked if he made the ramen noodles, and Travis admits he didn't. But both Hugh and Tom like his dish.

Carrie - Crispy Trotters with Snap Peas & Pickled Onions. Tom tells Hugh he thinks they're going to have a tough time figuring out who wins, because he really likes Carrie's dish.

Nicholas - Tete de Cochon with Summer Beans, Lemongrass Vinaigrette & Wheat Berries. Donald notes it's a very rich and heavy dish, and Padma said Nicholas was smart to give some brightness to the veggies. Donald really likes it.

Nina - Braised Pig's Head Ragu, Roasted Corn & Mustard Greens. Tom likes it - he said the heat builds on it - doesn't hit you all at once. Padma asks Toby assistants how they did - they said based on what they showed them last night, and what the cheftestants did today, they did really well.

In the in-between, both Carlos and Nina note that Stephanie overthinks too much about her food, and she is so nervous about everything. Stephanie agrees that she's a mess.

Back in the Stew Room, the TV comes on. Tom notes that this was some of the most enjoyable food in all 11 seasons that he's had. The best dishes came from Shirley, Nina, Brian, Carlos. However, Padma notes that Justin's meat was rather dry - it was one of the last pieces when they got there - Tom said perhaps they were getting the "dregs". Justin notes "It wasn't dry! It was brisket! There was plenty of fat!" Tom didn't like the corn in Louis's dish (although Donald did), and Padma notes that many guests were going back to get the popcorn. Donald said the popcorn was great, but unnecessary. Travis' ramen had good flavor but there were flaws in the dish. Hugh notes that Stephanie's pork belly was rather flat.

Padma comes in and asks to see Nina, Shirley and Carlos. They are the top group. Tom tells Shirley that he would travel with her and her mother for 3 days to go to her grandmother's house for her dumplings. Tom tells Carlos he wants his posole recipe. Tom tells Nina that Shirley and Carlos went with really traditional dishes, but Nina's dish came out of left field. He says if this isn't a national dish of somewhere, it should be - perhaps Ninastan?

Donald announces the winner, by a very slim margin - Carlos is the winner! The judges now want to see Justin, Louis, and Stephanie. They are the bottom group.

Justin is surprised that he is standing there. Padma notes that her meat was bland and very dry. Justin feels like it was a well-cooked piece of meat. Tom notes that *none* of the dishes were bad, and they were all delicious. Tom said he and Hugh ate Justin's dish first, and it was good. So it's an issue of consistency. For Stephanie, Donald notes that there was good flavor - but it was all in the broth. The pork had been drained of flavor. Louis's dish had the popcorn - Donald said it was unnecessary. Tom said the skin on the corn kernels were too thick. Hugh said there was just one too many ideas on his plate.

They leave while the judges deliberate. Hugh notes that there wasn't enough passion in these three dishes. Stephanie's dish really lack the most heart and soul. Justin's dry pork was the issue. Louis's problem was too much stuff on the dish, but at least his pork was delicious.

:::Whooshing camera of the cheftestants::: Tom reviews; Padma announces. And it's Louis who is asked to PYKAG. He's off to LCK against Janina.

Previews show Restaurant Wars! And it definitely is going to be an interesting one.

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    Worldwide Diner RE: LindaWhit Nov 20, 2013 08:42 PM

    Obviously Nina us a good chef but she likes to blame others for her own mistakes. She thinks Sideshow Bob is a douchebag because he dumped the stuff she plated on his plates. She tells Justine to suck a dick because he doesn't want others to use the fire he spent an hour to build. It's an entitlement attitude that I don't appreciate.

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      DGresh RE: Worldwide Diner Nov 21, 2013 11:13 AM

      I thought the look on her face as they walked out after a winner was declared said a lot. She was clearly *pissed* that she didn't win. And later she made some comment like "they said it was really close" and someone else said "give us a break, you can't always win" or something like that. It just seemed inappropriate for her to be bitching about not winning.

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        LindaWhit RE: DGresh Nov 21, 2013 11:15 AM

        Thanks for posting that, DGresh. I went back and listened three times to see what Nina said, but couldn't make it out, so I left out her comment and Nicholas teasing Nina saying something along the lines of "C'mon - you can't always win! Leave a few for the rest of us!" They all laughed, but I think you could tell Nicholas wasn't particularly pleased with her comment either.

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          John E. RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 07:49 PM

          Nina has won two Elimination Challenges. Carlos has won two Elimination Challenges.

          Ok, one of Carlos' wins was a team challenge.

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            LindaWhit RE: John E. Nov 21, 2013 08:22 PM

            Nina has also been in the "High" group 4x, and she won a Quickfire. So I understand why the rest of them look at her as the one to beat so far.

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          Worldwide Diner RE: DGresh Nov 21, 2013 01:34 PM

          She's a competitor and clearly likes to win. I can't fault her for that. I'm wondering if she'll start a grudge against Justine.

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            DGresh RE: Worldwide Diner Nov 21, 2013 03:13 PM

            I think it's ok to be upset. But to bitch about it in front of the others is tacky.

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              Shrinkrap RE: DGresh Nov 21, 2013 04:23 PM

              I would agree she does not struggle to hold things in. I did not see the look on her face, but I doubt she she was smiling, or saying "thanks for the opportunity!"

              She was bitching about it? What did she say?

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          hal2010 RE: Worldwide Diner Nov 21, 2013 02:51 PM

          My opinion of Nina has diminished after this episode. She's obviously used to getting her own way. Will make for some interesting dynamics in restaurant wars. They should put her in charge of the front of house!

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            Shrinkrap RE: hal2010 Nov 21, 2013 04:24 PM

            "She's obviously used to getting her own way."

            What makes you say that?

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              hal2010 RE: Shrinkrap Nov 21, 2013 05:32 PM

              Because when she doesn't she complains and swears.

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                Worldwide Diner RE: Shrinkrap Nov 21, 2013 05:36 PM

                What makes you think she isn't entitled? Please address the examples we've seen on the show.

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                  Shrinkrap RE: Worldwide Diner Nov 21, 2013 06:20 PM

                  I'm sorry. I have to come up with examples showing some one ISN'T entitled?

                  I think that's new.I don't have examples. I was thinking innocent until proven guilty. But yeah; not always.

                  I am working with the examples offered, not necessarily this episode. I don't know what she said, and did not see the "face" she made. What did she say? Did her facial expression indicate she was entitled? It was late. I will watch again.

                  Maybe saying "Suck a dick" = entitled? Entitled to WHAT? I'll take the food stamps; thanks.

                  I'll accept that is swearing. She complains (not sure of the example here; maybe "it was close"?); That means she is used to getting her way? When my kids were younger, they complained. Heck; They STILL do! I'll be honest; I complain too! I might even be complaining right now. So that means I am used to getting what I want?

                  Maybe it's the swearing? That makes me think you are saying getting what you want is evidenced by swearing. That has not been my experience. Not saying your wrong. I just don't see that as my first interpretation.

                  But whatever. It's entertainment!

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                    Worldwide Diner RE: Shrinkrap Nov 21, 2013 06:43 PM

                    I said address the examples I gave. They indicate she's entitled. I think I write clearly. I have no idea why there is any misunderstanding.

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                      Shrinkrap RE: Worldwide Diner Nov 21, 2013 06:47 PM

                      Okay; your examples are " She thinks Sideshow Bob is a douchebag because he dumped the stuff she plated on his plates. She tells Justine to suck a dick because he doesn't want others to use the fire he spent an hour to build."

                      I see. You seem to write clearly, but I didn't read it clearly in this context. I hit reply on, and was responding to, your more recent post; "What makes you think she isn't entitled? Please address the examples we've seen on the show." I can see you might have no idea why.

                      You write "They indicate she's entitled." You might be right about "entitlement". That judgement just doesn't come as easily to me. That might be your area of expertise. It is not mine.

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              John E. RE: Worldwide Diner Nov 21, 2013 03:09 PM

              I agree that Justin (no 'e' at the end) had the right to that fire. Besides that, the other contestants were putting pots and kettles on the fire. Go fire up a propane burner for that, there appeared to be dozens of them.

            3. Shrinkrap RE: LindaWhit Nov 20, 2013 11:06 PM

              Thanks Linda!

              I got nothin' other than.......Go Nina!

              1. Joanie RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 04:29 AM

                Actually watched in real time.

                What kind of accent did Toby have? It was very odd.

                Did you hear Donald pronounce it bruSHetta not bruSKetta? What is it with these chefs screwing up what now are pretty basic terms?

                I like Justin and Louis and hoped it would be Stephanie going home. It does sound like it was a good nite overall.

                Sara makes a good front of house person at a quick glance of next week's preview.

                1. roxlet RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 05:32 AM

                  After Tom said that it was the best overall food that they had ever had on TC, I wanted them to not eliminate anyone this week, the way they sometimes do on Project Runway, and then send two home the next week. A reprieve, to be sure, but they admitted that they were really uncertain about who to have PYKAG. That being said, the idea of popcorn on pork is really pretty unappealing, and I don'k know what Louis could have been thinking.

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                    LindaWhit RE: roxlet Nov 21, 2013 06:11 AM

                    I was kind of hoping for that as well, rox. Both Padma and Tom said "there was NO bad food!" and they hated sending someone home for good food.

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                      momjamin RE: roxlet Nov 21, 2013 06:55 AM

                      Well, if next week is Restaurant Wars, they kinda have to have an even number...

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                        girloftheworld RE: roxlet Nov 21, 2013 03:33 PM

                        "After Tom said that it was the best overall food that they had ever had on TC,"

                        I find that hard to believe and rolled my eyes... from what I saw it really was pretty lame when you compare it to the snow white feast... and having tasted Paul Quis food... there is nooooo way....

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                          DGresh RE: girloftheworld Nov 21, 2013 03:41 PM

                          They say that too often to be credible

                      2. Phaedrus RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 06:22 AM

                        I DVR the thing and as I was shoveling down my morning oatmeal I was confronted all the heavenly vision of pork, lovely, unctuous, delicious pork. Now I am at work and wishing I can go get me some pork. BBQ for lunch it is.

                        No wonder Patty was so nervous. Wow, three years?!!

                        I have seen other chefs wander about not knowing what they were doing or not knowing exactly what they wanted to do, they usually went home. Stephanie was really lucky she didn't go home. I do like her though. Her perfectionist nervousness is endearing and kind of reminds of Richard Blais, although I don't think she has the same skills or imagination.

                        I wanted to try all the dishes, but the pozole and Shirley's dumplings as well as Nicholas' dish was the most enticing.

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                          LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Nov 21, 2013 06:31 AM

                          I agree, Phaedrus. This was probably the only TC show where I wanted to try everything - but Shirley's dish sounded amazing.

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                            Worldwide Diner RE: Phaedrus Nov 21, 2013 06:57 AM

                            Good performances all around. I'm surprised that Justine didn't know that some of his pork was dry. Was that as a result of the raging fire that he had? When I saw his presentation plate, it didn't look fatty and moist.

                            I appreciate Stephanie's honesty or is it her neurosis?

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                              LindaWhit RE: Worldwide Diner Nov 21, 2013 07:27 AM

                              When Justin said his pork was "fatty" in the Stew Room, I thought "That's not what we saw in the beauty shot of his plate." And the description of his dish alone implies it's a lean cut of meat: "Wood-Roasted Pork Breast Taco..."



                              "Recently we got the Pork Breast. This thin cut of pork comes from the picnic shoulder just behind the front leg. It is a lean cut of pork that is perfect for marinating and grilling. Now this is kind of a tough cut so definitely marinate it first then cook it hot and fast being careful not to over cook it. This is still new so many places don't have it yet, but I know you can find it at Costco under the name Brisket Griller (how's that for marketing)."

                              I'd be very interested to know what cut Justin chose. I don't recall him saying so, although I wasn't trying to keep track of who took what. But perhaps his "low and slow" cooking method doesn't work for this cut of meat? Although Tom and Hugh both enjoyed his dish and said their meat was moist.

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                                KailuaGirl RE: LindaWhit Nov 22, 2013 06:47 AM

                                In the Stew Room Justin said his cut was "pure brisket."

                                Thanks again for a great recap, Linda!

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                                  LindaWhit RE: KailuaGirl Nov 22, 2013 07:56 AM

                                  You're quite welcome. And yet, the beauty shot did *not* look like brisket to me. It looked very lean. And IIRC, Padma had difficulty biting through a bit of a large piece of pork from Justin's dish - it seemed lean there as well.

                                  So perhaps he did get the pork breast and not brisket. I don't know.

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                                    chefhound RE: LindaWhit Nov 24, 2013 08:40 PM

                                    I'm just re-watching the episode and it looks like pork belly when he is initially prepping it in the TC kitchen. He's talking to Shirley and cutting the meat into chunks. It looks very fatty. It looks like a side of bacon.

                                2. re: LindaWhit
                                  JAB RE: LindaWhit Nov 22, 2013 10:12 PM

                                  You can't really do low and slow using that piece if equipment.

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                                  WNYamateur RE: Worldwide Diner Nov 25, 2013 07:00 AM

                                  "Was that as a result of the raging fire that he had? "

                                  My thought exactly: cooked too fast and unevenly. He should have recognized it and made sure to save the best for the judges.

                                4. re: Phaedrus
                                  bobbert RE: Phaedrus Nov 21, 2013 07:46 AM

                                  I was thinking the exact same thing re. Stephanie and Blais. Not as talented though very good, a bit more subdued but just as neurotic.
                                  I thought Justin was safe because those who ate his dish early didn't seem to have the dryness issue - it's good that judges seem to split up and try things in different orders which helps make it more fair. When Louis said popcorn I was trying to figure where that fit in.
                                  Actually, when I saw Travis at the Whole Foods checkout with all those packages of 10 for a dollar ramen I was thinking rut row, that's not going to work out well.
                                  I liked the quickfire but my issue is with the judging - not just this one. I like Dr. John just fine but it became clear that "hot" hot sauce wasn't going to cut it. I always question it when someone who isn't primarily a food person hands out immunity.
                                  And then there's Nina. Girl can cook but how about just sticking to your standard f-bombs? I think Freud would have loved to spend some time with her.

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                                    Worldwide Diner RE: bobbert Nov 21, 2013 08:15 AM

                                    Didn't get a good look at the ramen. What did Travis buy?

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                                      bobbert RE: Worldwide Diner Nov 21, 2013 09:08 AM

                                      It looked like those packages that every starving college kid lives on. He only used the noodles and made his own (apparently very good) sauce but when Tom and Hugh asked and Travis said he did not make them, I was thinking gone but they loved the flavors.

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                                        Worldwide Diner RE: bobbert Nov 21, 2013 09:19 AM

                                        I was thinking he bought real but premade ramen noodle but I didn't get a good look. I don't even know if Whole Foods carry real ramen noodle.

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                                          bobbert RE: Worldwide Diner Nov 21, 2013 10:17 AM

                                          I'm not sure as it was pretty quick an I didn't record the show but there sure looked like a shitload of those little ramen noodle packages. Anyone out there get a better look?

                                          1. re: bobbert
                                            LindaWhit RE: bobbert Nov 21, 2013 10:25 AM

                                            Definitely a shitload of packaged dried ramen - lots of "crackling" as he loaded up his cart with packages. All I remember was a lot of red packages, but it wasn't Maruchan.

                                            I can look again tonight when I get home if no one else notes which aisle he got them in or what brand.

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                                              chefhound RE: LindaWhit Nov 24, 2013 08:42 PM

                                              I'm re-watching. I paused and stared at the screen. I'm quite certain that they are not ramen noodles. Squinting at the packages, I'm certain they say chow mein noodles!!

                                    2. re: bobbert
                                      KailuaGirl RE: bobbert Nov 22, 2013 06:52 AM

                                      You'd think Whole Foods would have a refrigerator section of fresh Asian noodles. Using packaged ramen noodles just isn't Top Cheffish at all! I can see not wanting to make his own - too time consuming - but at least buy fresh ones.

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                                        smtucker RE: KailuaGirl Nov 23, 2013 12:49 PM

                                        You would think, but none of mine do.

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                                          KailuaGirl RE: smtucker Nov 26, 2013 11:19 PM

                                          I'm really surprised. Maybe because I'm in Hawai'i? All the supermarkets have fresh noodles, but I'd expect WF to have them all over the Mainland, too.

                                          1. re: KailuaGirl
                                            wincountrygirl RE: KailuaGirl Nov 27, 2013 05:08 AM

                                            I'm not surprised. I hate Whole Foods, but that is a discussion for another thread!

                                    3. re: Phaedrus
                                      jujuthomas RE: Phaedrus Nov 22, 2013 07:58 AM

                                      i totally agree - everything looked delicious!

                                    4. John E. RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 07:53 AM

                                      Dr. John been in the right place, and it must have been the right time.

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                                        KrumTx RE: John E. Nov 21, 2013 07:58 AM

                                        I thought Dr. John was one cool dude.

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                                          Ruth Lafler RE: KrumTx Nov 21, 2013 12:56 PM

                                          Really? I thought that schtick was tiresome.

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                                            DGresh RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 21, 2013 01:19 PM

                                            me too times 100

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                                              gaffk RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 21, 2013 01:45 PM

                                              Yeah, he was my least favorite guest so far.

                                              Then again, at least we're not getting the real housewives of the Texas season.

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                                                LindaWhit RE: gaffk Nov 21, 2013 04:00 PM

                                                Oh God, please no "real housewives!"

                                              2. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                jujuthomas RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 22, 2013 07:58 AM

                                                I couldn't understand half of what he said. I thought he was weird.

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                                                  chicgail RE: jujuthomas Nov 22, 2013 08:04 AM

                                                  I had a NOLA-native father-in-law at one time. Well educated. Doctor. Took me years to understand him.

                                                  Dr. John is a character and in some ways a caricature of a particular breed of New Orleans. You have to appreciate the world he represents.

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                                                    jujuthomas RE: chicgail Nov 22, 2013 09:28 AM

                                                    I'll have to google Dr John so I can better appreciate him. :)

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                                                      ratgirlagogo RE: chicgail Nov 22, 2013 11:03 AM

                                                      He's a living legend, as important to the musical history of New Orleans in his own way as the Nevilles.

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                                                        coney with everything RE: ratgirlagogo Nov 27, 2013 04:56 AM

                                                        and if you ever get a chance to see him in concert, do it. I've seen him more than once, good stuff.

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                                                        ChefJune RE: chicgail Nov 22, 2013 12:53 PM

                                                        Dr. John is from the Justin Wilson ("I Gar-on-tee") school of New Orleans... ;)

                                                2. re: John E.
                                                  DGresh RE: John E. Nov 21, 2013 01:21 PM

                                                  I'm so uncool that I had to google to figure out your reference. I certainly remember the song, but didn't remember who sang it. He seems to have lost a few neurons since then.

                                                  1. re: DGresh
                                                    ratgirlagogo RE: DGresh Nov 22, 2013 11:06 AM

                                                    He's seventy-three years old with a history of medical problems. If anything, though, he probably is communicating more clearly today than when he recorded Right Time, given the level of his drug intake back then. He's not being obscure, he's an old jazzbeaux.

                                                    1. re: ratgirlagogo
                                                      WNYamateur RE: ratgirlagogo Nov 25, 2013 07:04 AM

                                                      He's a highly respected musician, whether as pianist Mac Rebbenack (his real name) or Dr. John the Night Tripper (his voodoo priest name).

                                                      1. re: WNYamateur
                                                        emmyru RE: WNYamateur Nov 25, 2013 01:13 PM

                                                        And he is the inspiration for a muppet...Dr. Teeth.

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                                                          jujuthomas RE: emmyru Nov 25, 2013 07:22 PM

                                                          i knew he looked kind of familiar! :)

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                                                  KrumTx RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 07:56 AM

                                                  This was a nice rebound episode after last week's snoozefest.

                                                  Being an animal lover and carnivore makes me a hypocrite, I know, but I almost shed a tear for the hog before being amazed at the dishes it created.

                                                  Would love to taste the Fried Chorizo Taco made by Carlos.

                                                  I'm liking Brian's dishes, too, and the way he always seems so confused about everything in confessionals:)

                                                  ETA: I love Restaurant Wars! Can't wait.

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                                                  1. re: KrumTx
                                                    nosh RE: KrumTx Nov 21, 2013 06:29 PM

                                                    That hog would never have been created, born, fed, and existed if not for ultimate consumption. These kinds of episodes at least give some exposure and hopefully respect for the process.

                                                  2. John E. RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 10:39 AM

                                                    I thought Dr. John was one of the more interesting guest judges for a TC Quickfire. The subtitles were amusing.

                                                    I liked this episode of TC a lot more than the previous episodes. That was one big pig. I grew up in farm country and there is a huge pork processing plant in my hometown. They don't let the pigs get that big for commercial processing.

                                                    I am wondering about how much food each chef had to produce? Nina and Nick each took half a head. How could that be enough pork to serve 250 people?

                                                    Back to the QF...

                                                    I made some homemade Tabasco hot sauce last year, but I didn't have cayenne peppers. I actually don't remember what they were, but I followed the rest of the recipe exactly. I got two, half-pint jars. A couple of weeks ago I tasted it and it was quite hot, but I didn't like it all that much because it was just one note. I think I'll try mixing in some Chipotle Tabasco and see how it tastes then.

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                                                    1. re: John E.
                                                      pine time RE: John E. Nov 22, 2013 11:17 AM

                                                      I wondered, too, about 1 pig for 250 people, but looked they the plates were mostly "tasting" sized, stretched by extra ingredients and gee-gaws.

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                                                      ratgirlagogo RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 10:48 AM

                                                      Apparently "Suck a dick" is Nina's catchphrase. Bravo needs to JUMP on making a T-shirt with that one - I'm sure it will outsell any other design they have.

                                                      Loved Dr. John and his magical necklace - and like John E. thought it was so funny that he was subtitled. Also I love jalapeno/serrano hot sauces, so I'm glad Brian won with one. Habaneros have amazing flavor, but they can be just WAY too hot unless balanced with other flavors, and too often habanero sauces are just heat bombs (not to be confused with the Onion Bombs featured in this weeks LCK).

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                                                      1. re: ratgirlagogo
                                                        chefhound RE: ratgirlagogo Nov 21, 2013 01:04 PM

                                                        Do you think they'd be allowed to do a t-shirt like that?

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                                                          ratgirlagogo RE: chefhound Nov 22, 2013 11:08 AM

                                                          Hey, it's their network, who's going to stop them? I am surprised they're allowed to let her say it on basic cable.

                                                      2. chicgail RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                        My primary reaction to this episode was that I REALLY wanted to taste everything.

                                                        And I was moved by Louis talking about how he never made friends and had made such good friends among the other contestants. I should have known that was a flag that he was going to be eliminated, but then I was saddened for him when he was.

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                                                          Ruth Lafler RE: chicgail Nov 21, 2013 12:59 PM

                                                          I thought he was kind of sweet. Although he went with the typical "I didn't show them my food" exit line, he seemed to take responsibility for not having found a way to do that.

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                                                            gaffk RE: chicgail Nov 21, 2013 01:43 PM

                                                            I love Louis' smile. I think mom had a crush on him, but my heart belongs to Nicholas.

                                                          2. chowser RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 05:56 PM

                                                            This might have been the best food they've ever had but the challenge wasn't full of obstacles like they've had in the past. I like the change but these challenges have been more straightforward and not about what ingredients they can chip out of an ice block, or whatever. I was sad that Louis was sent home but would have felt the same way about the other two. It's hard to see someone go when he's done good food but that's competition. It's how Jen Carroll was sent home in her first season.

                                                            Nina's swearing/words don't bother me at all. I think there is a double standard that the guys swear and no one bats an eye. Her attitude towards Justin was annoying, though. He started the fire; he has every right to it. I'm so happy for Carlos for his win. It seems well deserved.

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                                                            1. re: chowser
                                                              John E. RE: chowser Nov 21, 2013 06:32 PM

                                                              There is a lot of cussing by both genders on this show. The point about Nina is not about swearing, for me it is the vulgarity. I believe there is a time and place for swearing, but vulgarity is never a classy thing to employ.

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                                                                chowser RE: John E. Nov 21, 2013 06:41 PM

                                                                They're figures of speech, whether someone says f*ck or what Nina says. What's the difference? Neither are classy but no one goes on about guys saying f*ck or sh!t.

                                                                1. re: chowser
                                                                  John E. RE: chowser Nov 21, 2013 07:00 PM

                                                                  I have never seen anybody making a big deal about either genders saying f*ck or sh*t on Top Chef. I think the 'F' word is used much too frequently on this show. It's on national TV, show some restraint.

                                                                  About 20 years ago I decided I did not like the frequency with which I was using the 'F' word. We had a young child and I taught myself to use a different word. I get occasional 'looks' when people hear me say 'sheepdip' when I am frustrated.

                                                                  1. re: John E.
                                                                    pine time RE: John E. Nov 22, 2013 11:20 AM

                                                                    I've written it before, but I also think 'douchebag' is one of those certainly less-than-classy words that sounds like an adolescent using juvenile swear words. And, yeah, I had to reduce my social swearing about a decade ago.

                                                                  2. re: chowser
                                                                    acgold7 RE: chowser Nov 21, 2013 08:03 PM

                                                                    There's a huge difference between anyone, male or female, saying "get the F**k out of my way" and "S*** a d***." One is just using strong language for emphasis, while the other is hurling an epithet, like F You.

                                                                    If a guy said "L**k a C**t" everybody would be even more outraged, and justifiably so. If he used that word to describe a woman -- or even worse, a gay male -- he'd be kicked off the show.

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                                                                      chowser RE: acgold7 Nov 22, 2013 03:35 AM

                                                                      Yeah, good point. I'm sensitive to most swearing/vulgarity but didn't notice Nina even saying it. OTOH, it's not uncommon for someone to call another a dick/head or say he has no balls but not a c... I'm ambivalent about Nina at this point. I think she's outperformed others, as being good and consistent, but didn't like the way she acted w/ Kevin and the fire. I do think she was justified at being annoyed at Michael for throwing her food off his plates. That would be like Kevin throwing her food off the fire.

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                                                                        chefhound RE: chowser Nov 22, 2013 08:43 AM

                                                                        Who is Kevin? Did you mean Justin?

                                                                        1. re: chefhound
                                                                          chowser RE: chefhound Nov 22, 2013 12:05 PM

                                                                          Yes. Don't know why I wrote Kevin but then I mix up my kids names all the time.

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                                                                            chefhound RE: chowser Nov 22, 2013 12:47 PM

                                                                            Does Justin remind you of Kevin Gillespie?

                                                                            1. re: chefhound
                                                                              chowser RE: chefhound Nov 22, 2013 12:59 PM

                                                                              Hmmm, maybe on a subconscious level I put men w/ beards in one place in my brain? Maybe he just looks like a Kevin to me.

                                                                    2. re: chowser
                                                                      hal2010 RE: chowser Nov 22, 2013 01:55 PM

                                                                      You don't think there's something personally insulting, maybe even homophobic about telling a guy to "suck a dick"? I'm not sure that phrase has reached "figure of speech" status yet.

                                                                      1. re: hal2010
                                                                        chowser RE: hal2010 Nov 22, 2013 02:32 PM

                                                                        Sure I do, just as I think it's wrong to use f*ck or @sshole. Homophobic? No.

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                                                                  acgold7 RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 06:22 PM

                                                                  >>>Cajun oven (same thing as the China box, I believe), <<<

                                                                  Yep... actually, I think it's Caja:


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                                                                  1. re: acgold7
                                                                    LindaWhit RE: acgold7 Nov 21, 2013 06:57 PM

                                                                    I knew it as a Caja box as well, but I could have sworn I heard the initial wording of it as a China box.

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                                                                      John E. RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 07:10 PM

                                                                      I heard the box referred to as a 'China box' long before I heard it referred to as a 'La Caga China Box'.

                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                        acgold7 RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 07:49 PM

                                                                        No, you're both right, you did. It was China box, but then it was referred to as a Caja, not Cajun, oven. It may have sounded like Cajun, though, and someone may have misspoken, just like "Cherry" vinegar (which apparently exists only on this show) or this week's howler from the website, Sow Grilled Pork. Or BruSHETta.

                                                                        EDIT: No, never mind, you guys are right. I just found this:


                                                                        It's the same thing but apparently there is a Cajun Oven. I just thought it was the elves screwing up again.

                                                                        1. re: acgold7
                                                                          LindaWhit RE: acgold7 Nov 21, 2013 08:24 PM

                                                                          You found the exact same link I found when I went searching for Cajun Oven. And when I compared the pics with the China box AND Caja box, they're all the same. Maybe it's just a colloquial name depending on the area of the country?

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                                                                            acgold7 RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 11:37 PM

                                                                            Must be.

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                                                                      bobbert RE: LindaWhit Nov 21, 2013 06:54 PM

                                                                      Has anyone else noticed that the winners aren't getting any swag or cash or cars? I think on maybe one episode a couple split a few thousand bucks but nothing else. I thought in past seasons they were throwing out $10,000 here, a years worth of wine there, a $5000 knife over here and a Toyota or two over there. Have the Bravo people suddenly become cheap?

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                                                                      1. re: bobbert
                                                                        hal2010 RE: bobbert Nov 21, 2013 06:57 PM

                                                                        I don't see them all piling into their Toyotas to go to Whole Foods every show either. Maybe it's a lean sponsorship year?

                                                                        1. re: hal2010
                                                                          roxlet RE: hal2010 Nov 22, 2013 05:01 AM

                                                                          A big deal was made about getting into a Toyota in the most recent Last Chance Kitchen.

                                                                          1. re: roxlet
                                                                            bobbert RE: roxlet Nov 22, 2013 08:27 AM

                                                                            Oh, that was last chance kitchen? I though it was just a Toyota ad.

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                                                                              roxlet RE: bobbert Nov 22, 2013 01:15 PM

                                                                              lol@ You're right!

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                                                                          gaffk RE: bobbert Nov 21, 2013 07:09 PM

                                                                          Yes. We just commented about no winner's prize. In previous seasons there were trips, wines, cash . . .

                                                                          1. re: gaffk
                                                                            bobbert RE: gaffk Nov 21, 2013 07:13 PM

                                                                            Maybe i read it, forgot it, remembered it again and thought I thought it by myself. At my age that's beginning to happen a lot.

                                                                          2. re: bobbert
                                                                            John E. RE: bobbert Nov 21, 2013 07:23 PM

                                                                            Nina won $10,000 for EC win in the cream cheese challenge. A team split $10,000 for a win earlier in the season, but I don't recall how much each individual won.

                                                                            1. re: bobbert
                                                                              acgold7 RE: bobbert Nov 21, 2013 07:55 PM

                                                                              It does seem like there are fewer EC prizes this year, although the Toyota caravan is still very much in evidence. But never forget that if these aren't seen as much, it's not Bravo but the sponsors who have suddenly become cheap. Bravo MAKES a fortune every time you see this stuff given away. Advertisers *pay* to be featured on the show. If ten grand is "furnished" by Healthy Choice, it's part of a much bigger deal and Bravo is getting a huge cut.

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                                                                                girloftheworld RE: acgold7 Nov 22, 2013 03:53 PM

                                                                                Paul Qui's season raked it in with prizes ..cash, cars Modernist Cuisine, Bob Kramer knife, Trips, Wine,

                                                                            2. mariacarmen RE: LindaWhit Nov 22, 2013 08:57 PM

                                                                              So i once again read LW's wonderful recap and a lot of the comments before i saw the episode, but i've watched it twice now, and it seems to me that Nina is getting a bit of a bad rap, at least this time around. i didn't see any attitude from her at all - except of course with the fire issue. and as to her now infamous epithet - "suck a d**k!" - i don't think she's ever actually directing that AT anyone. it's more like "g*ddammit!" - more of an expression of frustration, maybe even anger, but i don't think she's addressing it to the person who appears to be on the receiving end. just my take on it. i didn't see her react badly to losing, i saw her actually laugh a bit when the joke was made about letting someone else win for a change.

                                                                              anyway. i'm not so much a Nina fan as much as i just didn't see her acting as badly as it seemed when i first read the comments here.

                                                                              Dr. John was annoying and it seemed they just brought him on for some famous local flavor, as opposed to any serious food credibility.

                                                                              i thought Justin was going to go home. inconsistent, dry pork compared to very delicious pork that had some popcorn ill-advisedly thrown on it? that's ok, though, i don't think we've seen the last of Louis.

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                                                                                hal2010 RE: mariacarmen Nov 22, 2013 09:14 PM

                                                                                Dr. John. I thought he was affected and incoherent. But he surprised me in his judging of the dishes. His vocabulary suddenly doubled and Padma didn't have to fill in the blanks.

                                                                                1. re: hal2010
                                                                                  hal2010 RE: hal2010 Nov 22, 2013 09:29 PM

                                                                                  And now I'm listening to "in the Right Place" and realizing he's brilliant!

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                                                                                    mariacarmen RE: hal2010 Nov 22, 2013 10:22 PM

                                                                                    oops, yep, sorry, Dr. John. and that was a GREAT song but... he was annoying.

                                                                                    1. re: hal2010
                                                                                      chicgail RE: hal2010 Nov 23, 2013 05:16 AM

                                                                                      He's something of an icon.

                                                                                2. LindaWhit RE: LindaWhit Nov 27, 2013 11:05 AM

                                                                                  NOTICE: There is *no* new Top Chef tonight (evening before Thanksgiving).

                                                                                  I just saw on Facebook that the next new episode (Restaurant Wars) will be on Wednesday, December 4th.

                                                                                  Thank you, Bravo TV Elves. I've got too much to do today to be recapping tonight! :-)

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                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                    gaffk RE: LindaWhit Nov 27, 2013 11:10 AM

                                                                                    Thanks for the heads-up Linda. And have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

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                                                                                      Phaedrus RE: LindaWhit Nov 27, 2013 11:20 AM

                                                                                      So, um, did you want to recap your Thanksgiving preparation activities so that we aren't too far out of practice?


                                                                                      Have a great Thanksgiving.

                                                                                      1. re: Phaedrus
                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Nov 27, 2013 11:24 AM

                                                                                        So, um.......

                                                                                        NO! LOL

                                                                                        Except to say I LURVE the wicked-smaht peeples on the Interwebz who told me I can use heavy cream in place of the evaporated milk I don't have enough of for my pumpkin pie making tonight so I don't have to get dressed in "real clothes" and jam a baseball cap on my head and brave the insanity of the stupidmarket for a single can of evaporated milk. (Only have a 5 oz. can vs. the full 12 oz. needed.)

                                                                                        Thank you, wicked-smaht Interwebz peeples! :-D Now - back to cleaning.

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                                                                                        jujuthomas RE: LindaWhit Nov 27, 2013 05:05 PM

                                                                                        I wondered, after seeing that there isn't a new Project Runway tomorrow, if Top Chef would also be taking a holiday. Thanks for the heads up! Enjoy your well-deserved break! :)

                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                          ennuisans RE: LindaWhit Nov 27, 2013 06:32 PM

                                                                                          There are, however, three Thanksgiving-themed TC reruns starting at 7:30 Thursday morning on Bravo, if anyone is jonesing.

                                                                                        2. mariacarmen RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2013 11:03 PM

                                                                                          so, was there no TC8 last Wed., night before Thxgiving? I thought i just missed it...

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                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: mariacarmen Dec 3, 2013 06:13 AM

                                                                                            Nope, I posted a notice ^ just above ^ your post, mc.

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