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Farmhouse Rules--a new show on Food Network

Just saw a commercial for it and it caught my eye. Apparently it is about cooking from regional Hudson Valley NY ingredients. The woman, Nancy Fuller, looks extremely comfortable in front of the camera. She and her husband run some kind of multimillion dollar food distribution company called Ginsberg's Foods.

It has been a long time since I was actually excited to see one of the new shows on Food Network. The first episode is on today at 11:30am.

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      Then you might enjoy reading a bit about the company too.

      1. I'm watching it right now and am a little disappointed. I'm anxious to hear what others think. I don't care for the host. I felt like she was talking down to me.

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        1. re: agnesrob

          I tuned in because I live in the Hudson Valley and it got a bit of play around here.There's so much farm-to-table food culture going on now and quite a few talented chefs moving into the area - it could be a wonderful opportunity to showcase the local developments.
          That's what I expected. But I could tell within three minutes they were looking for a new Paula Deen - they even had bluesy music playing as she fed her "grand-babies". I'm sure she's a fine cook and a nice person, but YAWN.

        2. I too was looking forward to it, but I just watched it. She was awful. She's a "yeller" and like agnesrob said, it felt like she was teaching a class of kindergarteners.... very dumbed down. Totally an attempt to replace Paula Deen, but I'd rather watch Paula Deen.... and that's saying a lot because I don't care much for her either.

          I will say, I did chuckle a bit when she talked about "Gigi's Cider".... she said "It's a whole lot of bourbon and a little bit of juice".

          I think the food looked decent... if her delivery could improve it would be an OK Sunday morning "watch while you're doing something else" show.

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          1. re: juliejulez

            I don't think she was awful but she was way over the top. It was like she was trying to entertain her grandchildren rather than appeal to the adult viewers of Food Network. I will give it another shot next week.

            1. re: Njchicaa

              She was a little over the top when talking to the grandchildren. The food, what there was of it (stew, roast potatoes and pie), looked good and there were no cans or packets (well one can of evaporated milk, but that's normal for pumpkin pie).

              But the format is exactly the same as the rest of the shows, half of the time is spent driving around, frolicking in the countryside, etc. Not cooking, or teaching cooking techniques.

              The SO walked in in the middle of the show and said "Who's that, is this still Pioneer Woman?" Pretty hard to tell the difference from one show to the next.

            2. re: juliejulez

              What A positively awful show. I think cooking with your hands on a television show has to be one of the most distasteful things I can imagine. Her voice aside, her recipes are unhealthy, lacking in nutritional value and boring. Food network continues to go downhill. Their lack of inventive and healthy cooking makes me rely on Pinterest and magazines for cooking recipes and inspiration. However, I do love the barefoot contessa. She is charming, polite and after watching her on the Thanksgiving live program, I have a new respect for her graciousness and professionalism. Giada was self-centered, rude and condescending to the other chefs. I don't think I'll be watching her show anymore either.

              1. re: Montanamom

                I feel the exact same way and Ina is my favorite. Giada is such a snob I can't stand her

                1. re: Montanamom

                  Her recipes are reasonably nutritous and she uses and encourages fresh ingredients but uses stuff you can get in most stores, however I do feel she taljs down to people. I like that she has traditional rustic recipes, but she could have variety given the ingredients she has. Idna gardeners good but I like martha stewards old pie and dessert recipes better, more classic

                  1. re: Montanamom

                    While I do think most of her recioescare reasonably nutritous, as I said, considering she lives by all those farms she could make more vegetables, even as side dishes. Especially in the fall and even early winter, ny kale spnnach and broccoli and brussel sprouts are often available in farms. I get that her recipes sre traditional and rustic, but she could make traditional vegetsble dishes and sides. And she cant use the im cooking for the children excuse after lectuting us about how you dont ask kids what they want. I think children shoukd have choices but I agree the adults should decide what to make. I wasnt forced to eat but my mom chose the menu. I was still allowed to make myself a sandwich of eat what we had the night before if I wanted to. I dont have a problem with cooking with hands. I do like that she encourages fresh ingredients whether on a farm if possible or in a grocery store, especially since some smsller suburban grocery stores have local veggies when in season. I love cowgirl wonan, ree drummen, she lovely and her recipes are great but for a country girl she doesnt always use fresh ingredients and so etihes seems to discourage it. Im all for the convenience of packaged ingredients when necessary but love fresh ingredients when possible.

                  2. re: juliejulez

                    I thought I would like it but after I watched it, not so much.

                  3. OMG I used to work there. Will have to check it out, thanks for the heads up.

                    Ginsbergs has been around since the 1800s and is VERY well know in the area, I can see them having some credibility. Although I remember Nancy as a caterer customer who later on married one of the Ginsbergs, for what it's worth. I will say no more.

                    The Ginsbergs themselves were the nicest bosses I ever had. They should do a show on wholesaling food, I bet there'd be a great audience for that.

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                    1. re: coll

                      I can't keep my curiosity under wraps anymore; I have to ask: does she speak like that in real life? In that sing-song-y voice, with the oddly placed inflection and pauses? And refer to herself in the third person as "Gigi"?

                      1. re: charmedgirl

                        Not when I knew her, but that was about 20 years ago. She wasn't even married to David at the time, she was a customer who was the caterer for the local country club. I'm sure things have changed since I've seen those two though! Talk about turning a sows ear into a silk purse ;-). Good for them, I guess.

                        1. re: coll

                          Thanks for the reply. I figure it HAS to be some sort of nerves-being-on-camera thing. Lots of us have quirks we don't hear ourselves doing when we speak publicly and that are different from our normal speech. What I don't get is why her director and/or producer hasn't done anything about it. I have probably seen almost every episode (FN is my "on in the background" channel), and it is getting worse, not better. I can tolerate A LOT since I'm not even really watching, but it is really starting to get to me. Today I just lost it (hence this post); I just had to change the channel.

                          1. re: charmedgirl

                            My former co workers told me when it's on but I keep forgetting.....

                            1. re: coll

                              I don't know when it is "officially" on with new episodes, but I saw a "new to me" episode yesterday at 5:30. It was BAY-lee's BIRTH-day and Gigi was doing sooooomethiiiiiing SPE-CIAL! No Gigi juice though, since Bailey was only turning 7.

                                1. re: monavano

                                  I had Food Network turned on while I cleared out the fridge yesterday and this show came on.

                                  My husband came home and within minutes said "who IS that?"

                        2. re: charmedgirl

                          I understood "Gigi" as what her grandchildren call her.

                          1. re: WNYamateur

                            Yes, I think that's right. It's also what she calls herself, when speaking about herself in the third person, which she does frequently.

                            1. re: charmedgirl

                              And Gigi juice...sort of reminds me of Micheal Jackson.

                      2. I was so excited to watch this ..then so disapointed.. it was
                        like watching some weird haughty version of Mrs. Doubtfire on the farm.

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                          1. re: girloftheworld

                            Just your average apple-cheeked co-owner of a multimillion dollar business cookin' for the folks on the farm. Howdee.

                          2. That woman is mean. She refers to a three-year-old child as "bad" and "bad to the bone." How can that little girl deal with that label now?

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                            1. re: designprose

                              Even TV grandmas are allowed to brag about their grandchildren!

                            2. I just kept thinking, if Paula Deen and the Pioneer Woman had a baby it would be Nancy Fuller.

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                              1. re: RachelJ

                                LOL...I suppose that's what the FN was hoping for!

                              2. I caught an episode of the show (lamb stew) and I'll hold out on thumbs up or down until I see more. What I can say unequivocally is that Nancy Fuller is the new Pauler of the North, a Yankee version without the hormones of a pimply high school boy.
                                Another extremely wealthy, older woman with a lifestyle show, that happens to cook too.
                                Is Ina getting nervous?

                                1. Reading this article
                                  http://www.registerstar.com/chatham_c...
                                  and reading the posts, I'm wondering whether they are talking about the same show.

                                  Posters are eager to pigionhole the show and host. She's too rich, too much like PD, or Ina, or someone else I don't like. She's on FN, which automatically counts against her.

                                  So what are the 'rules', that the title refers to?
                                  According to the article the rules are:
                                  - on old term for recipe
                                  - dining table rules (etiquette
                                  )- “the farmhouse rules!” - ingredients and cooking

                                  Does any of that come across in the 1st episode? Is anyone excited about those ideas?

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                                  1. re: paulj

                                    It's like TPTB thought it was a catchy title and have to "make it work".
                                    Sorry to cross reference reality tv shows!

                                    1. re: paulj

                                      I've never come across "rule" as meaning recipe before. Maybe it's a regional thing? I can't find any examples online. but maybe I'm not searching correctly.

                                        1. re: ennuisans

                                          The closest I can think is "Cider House Rules". So not by a long shot. I know recipes used to be called "receipts" though.

                                          1. re: coll

                                            I thought of CIder house rules too But that refered to the rules that Homer would post for rules for the cider house written for the pickers to keep control and make things run smooth but those rules are never followed and at the end of the book we find out that the real rule of the cider house were never really postes anyway and that is the basic rules of how to live your life because it can be picked apart and numbered and organized... sorry I lovethatbook

                                            1. re: girloftheworld

                                              I loved that book as well, Girl - Have not seen the show so I can't comment on the star of the show.

                                      1. Ah, just saw a promo/commercial and the Farmhouse Rules include "Fresh is best, and it's always better with family".
                                        So, there 'ya go.

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                                        1. re: monavano

                                          The third one is something about keeping things simple or not fancy or something

                                        2. I am watching it, Paula Deen recycled.

                                          1. I watched a bit of the barndance eipsode yesterday; never heard of Nancy Fuller before this. I agree with other posters, her tone is quite annoying, like she is talking to children. And her knife skills while chopping peppers and onions for the chile leave much to be desired - I winced watching it, fully expecting to see a finger or thumb mixed in with the peppers.

                                            As for her chile, I have never heard of dumping the raw ground meat right in the pot and adding liquids. I always thought browning the meat is necessary to remove some of the fat and for greatly enhanced flavor. Perhaps that step fits into one of her rules - browning isn't simple enough?

                                            Anyway, about ten minutes or so was enough to know I won't be watching anymore.

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                                            1. re: janniecooks

                                              Browning isn't necessary to cook beef (which I'm sure you know) and isn't desired in all recipes. I've seen chili recipes that call for dumping the ground meat in and adding water.
                                              The beef is softer and crumbles more easily for a finer texture.
                                              Another example is Marcella Hazan's bolognese.

                                              1. re: janniecooks

                                                The classic Cincinnati chili versions also add the raw ground beef to the water & spice blends, giving a softer, very fine beef texture.

                                                That said, I've now seen every episode so far of this show, and I'll be dumping it from the DVR line-up. Don't care for her presentation (of herself or the food), and doubt I'll get any ideas from her.

                                                1. re: pine time

                                                  Good to know about not needing to brown the beef. Maybe I'll try it next time I make chili. thanks to both you and monavano for your comments.

                                                  1. re: janniecooks

                                                    You're welcome! I wasn't too keen on giving this method a try when I first saw in on tv, but it's got its uses. I've warmed up to it!

                                              2. I've only seen this weeks episode. At first I thought she was just trying too hard. Then there were moments where I thought she's watched too much Food Network. As we got towards the end I was wondering who is the executive producer of this show? Well it's Gordon Elliot, who also was executive producer of Paula Deens show. Personally I blame him for trying to make her a Paula clone. I don't know if he just has his own stereotypes about country living that he tries to push on his hosts or what?

                                                I'd like to see her when she's allowed to be herself because I don't think the person we are seeing on this show represents who she really is.

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                                                1. re: rasputina

                                                  Now that you mention it, there is a Gordon Elliot touch to this. But he had this style long before he discovered Paula (Door knock dinners).

                                                  I'm wondering whether the Paula Deen comparisons have more to do with body build than anything else. There wasn't anything 'country' about Paula, was there? Or do we northerners equate 'southern' and 'country'? Nealys were also a Elliot show.

                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                    I think Fuller looks like Kathy Bates.

                                                2. I couldn't watch the whole show because I was so turned off by the way she talks. What is FN thinking???

                                                  1. I was hoping I would enjoy this show......but, I really, really, really hate being screamed at. I much perfer to watch Paula, Ina, and Ree than put up with Nancy's schrill voice and unfunny jokes. Just awaiting the clogged artery, diabetes announcements and a cover up controversy. Sure the other three have their foibles, but they don't schreek at the audience. And it's not as if I would cook anything any of them prepare on their shows - I eat vicariously through their shows, and learn useful tips and reason "why". I would be thrilled if the Food Network would grow a pair and put a "healthy eating show on - vegetarian, low fat, low colest, low salt. I know that sounds boring as all get out, but eating great veggie dishes has a lot of appeal to me. I would actually try some of the recipes.

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                                                    1. re: hatty

                                                      Nearly 2 years ago I asked about favorite healthy eating shows
                                                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/828904
                                                      For a while I had the impression that FN & CC were promoting healthy cooking shows, at least on their websites. Apparently no one was interested.

                                                      One solution to the tone of voice is to mute the show and turn on closed captioning.

                                                      1. re: hatty

                                                        I saw a promo for this show, and agree I wasn't interested.

                                                        One of the things I love about Ina's show (it's on at a convenient time for me) is her voice. Her manner just knocks a few points off my high blood pressure every time. I love Ina and I have to say her recipes really do come out well.

                                                      2. Awful. Can someone fix her hair? Plus, no one, and I mean no one has the oven you have. Geez, flip flops?

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                                                        1. re: Voss8677

                                                          The wood oven? I only caught a glimpse of her pushing a chicken into a hearth wasn't sure if it was a wood stove or some form of charcoal contraption.

                                                          1. re: Voss8677

                                                            My MIL wears open shoes year round. She can't stand to have her feet in a colder weather shoe because she'll start to sweat.
                                                            Good thing she's a snowbird!

                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                              I hate shoes and wear flip flops year round not sure I'd wear them on TV but I guess the show is supposed to be low key.

                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                I have been known to wear flip flops in the snow. I have poor circulation and my feet tend to be cold no matter what shoes I'm wearing, so doesn't make much difference!

                                                                But are we commenting on her flip flops from a fashion standpoint, weather, or kitchen safety? I'm usually barefoot in the kitchen, even though I'm prone to knife dropping....

                                                            2. I had today's baked chicken episode on and I'm not holding out hope for this show.
                                                              Look! Rich white people! Eating! In a HUGE house!
                                                              Yeah, she might have Ina's money, but she doesn't have Ina's verve.

                                                              The admonishing way she said "wash your hands!" was a bit patronizing. Also, did she say something about doing it for "2 seconds"?
                                                              I wasn't paying full attention.

                                                              1. I think it was called a beehive oven connected to the fireplace. My first thought was a 4 pound chicken atop a minimal amount of stuffing was not enough for the 8 - 10 people at her table.

                                                                Then she made mulled wine and tasted it with the dipper she would use to serve everyone else saying something to the tune of don't tell anyone. I wouldn't have done that on tv.

                                                                To be honest with you the only reason I've been watching the show is because of this thread.

                                                                p.s. I never noticed the flip flops:-)

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                                                                1. re: miss_belle

                                                                  I wear flip-flops year-long as long as there isn't a ton of snow on the ground outside.

                                                                  I only listened to the "dinner party" episode today as I was in my kitchen working on other things. She didn't sound as manic and condescending as she did on the first episode but didn't see the whole thing in full effect.

                                                                  I prefer this Farmhouse person to Sandra Lee, Ree Drummond, and Paula Deen but that really isn't saying much....

                                                                  1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                    I really don't have a problem with this woman and her show but it's not like there's a whole lot to pick from nowadays on the FN channel. You know what I mean:-)

                                                                  2. re: miss_belle

                                                                    The dipper was too much for me. Especially after the reprimands to wash your hands.

                                                                  3. How are women ever going to succeed if as soon as they gain some visibility they are ripped to shreds, as in this thread. I also wonder how any of us would sound if we tried to explain our cooking technique and methods in front of a camera. I know I would annoy the crap out of everyone including myself.

                                                                    So she has a big personality. I think she seems fun, personally. I only saw the barnhouse episode, but I liked how she asked to hear the band playing by saying "rev me up!" and started dancing by herself. I'll watch it again if I see she's on the telly.

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                                                                    1. re: Niblet

                                                                      I agree Niblet. I like her. Is she perfect in front of the camera? No. But she seems a nice enough person and I like hearing about her life. I don't view her show (or any other for that matter) on the Food Network to be a lesson on kitchen safety and advanced skills.

                                                                      The grain of salt is I also like the Pioneer Woman, Barefoot Contessa, and Giada. I liked Paula's early years, but her personality got a bit too big for my taste.

                                                                      I hope she does well.

                                                                      1. re: Niblet

                                                                        Hmm, I'm not sure it's about gender, though. I recently wrote my disappointment with the new Richard Blais-hosted cooking show, too.

                                                                        Having a big personality, male or female, is fine; in fact, I'd guess most cooks have to have a big personality to even get to TV status.

                                                                        What I seem sensitive to is the "over wrought" antics and feeling that the presentation is not authentic.

                                                                        I've also just discovered The Chew, and Carla Hall is another big personality, but feels true and like that's who she really is. (Not that I'm liking that show, either, but I'm trying to find new stuff to DVR.)

                                                                        Just my 2 cents.

                                                                        1. re: Niblet

                                                                          Being critical is often times mistaken for jealousy or even cattiness.
                                                                          I don't blindly support every woman out there-- you have to earn my respect and devotion like anyone else.
                                                                          I love Ina, but know she's not a chef and her show is just as much of a lifestyle show as it is a cooking show.
                                                                          Sarah Moulton gets my utter respect and admiration for her incredible chef chops.

                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                            I love Sarah Moulton as well. She's on PBS, not FN.

                                                                             
                                                                          2. re: Niblet

                                                                            There are plenty of successful women on The Food Network. Nobody is bashing her because she's a woman, we're bashing her because she was irritating.

                                                                          3. I just watched the anniversary episode today. What a disappointment-she has no real camera presence, and the end was the worst--a disgusting display of gluttony with them grabbing food with their hands and eating out of bowls/containers. To top that off, what kind of baker mixes a cake in a huge salad bowl? Where is her mixer? There was zero original about the cake. If this is their replacement for PD, try again, and I didn't even like PD.

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                                                                            1. re: TomatoJunkie

                                                                              Anniversary ep was the first one I saw. She had this disconcerting way of stopping what she was doing to stare directly into the camera and tell the lengthy story of how she met her husband at her country club interview. It was boring. And the carrot cake she mixed in that salad bowl looked weird. The frosting was sooo thin, and the end product was not appealing. "My boys love carrot cake and have had plenty of it, but they always say mine is best" Ugh.

                                                                              I had no idea she was wealthy from the bit I saw. She looked like a farmhouse wife. That's what I was expecting when I saw the title. Tenderloin steak sandwiches? Yawn. Pioneer Woman gave us a voice over in 30 seconds on how to make them for her Christmas party.

                                                                              Where are the cooking shows that teach you how to cook. I want them to find a WORTHY successor to Sara Moulton, Jacques Pepin, or Ina. Alex Ghiarscherelli (sp?) didn't last (although I adored her cookbook) and neither did Aida Mollenkamp. I guess it's tough for them to find the right host who dumbs down the cooking enough and has a personality to appeal to the masses, not aficionados. : (

                                                                              1. re: Snorkelvik

                                                                                It's about who you know, not what you know, now.

                                                                                1. re: coll

                                                                                  Speaking a what you know, how do you like Harold McGee's segments of Mind of a Chef?
                                                                                  How about April Bloomfield?

                                                                                2. re: Snorkelvik

                                                                                  I love Ina as well. She too is a caterer, not a chef.

                                                                              2. I was flipping through channels and came across Farmhouse Rules. I didn't realize FN had a new show, and I was excited to watch. It turned into a real disappointment. I kept watching hoping it would get better and to give her a fair shake, but I don't have an interest in watching someone who comes across as condesending and throws in comments that put others down or puff up her self-importance. It was offputting and detracted from the whole premise of the show: cooking.

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                                                                                1. re: a958404

                                                                                  Totally agree. Just another entitled, overweight older woman cooking unhealthy dishes...red meat, high cholesterol, high calorie crap. I heard she only got the gig cuz her rich husband has friends at FN.

                                                                                2. just watched this show again, I can't get over what these overweight adults are doing to the kids. Overfeeding them and prepping them to be grossly overweight unhealthy adults. Should be a crime.

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                                                                                  1. re: dolly52

                                                                                    I missed it today, what'd she make?

                                                                                    1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                      meatloaf, mashed potates, & some kind of peach desert, the meal was ok, but you see her, her son, wife and the young thin kids and know what awaits them is troubling.

                                                                                    2. re: dolly52

                                                                                      The meatloaf episode? I saw no evidence of that. All she did was tell the kids as long they took one bite they could go to the fair. They barely touched their plates from what I could see.

                                                                                      I thought that leopard print cowgirl hat suited her and buzzing the grand-kids down to the creek on that golf cart(?) made me smile.

                                                                                      Cons: I wouldn't have let that calf suck on the kids hand. Wiping her peach juice mouth on that poor guys shirt was a bit much. And then the mini lecture to use a fingernail scrubber.

                                                                                      I thought her meatloaf looked pretty good but saw no reason to grill it other than to showcase her husband. Oh yes and she juiced the lemon, seeds and all into the cobbler.

                                                                                      Funny how people see things differently.

                                                                                      1. re: miss_belle

                                                                                        as I said, the meal looked ok, it is just the appearance of the adults (all obese), I feel that is the way those kids will be in a few years. You have to admit you don't get that heavy by eating healthy food and limiting food intake.

                                                                                        1. re: dolly52

                                                                                          I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume your intent is good, but, seriously, kids' appearances and their weight issues should be out of bounds.
                                                                                          If an overweight adult consents to have a food tv show, or be on a food tv show, then they are capable of understanding that total strangers will bring their weight and possible health issues into public forums, but kids are minors and can't possibly fathom that total strangers are prediction their future morbidities.
                                                                                          Please, can we keep the focus on this woman and her show?
                                                                                          Little kids' weight shouldn't be fodder for any decent blog.

                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                            dolly52 is, apparently, bothered by the appearance of the adults in the 3rd photo of this article (from an earlier episode)

                                                                                            http://www.ruralintelligence.com/inde...

                                                                                            or her 'obese' husband in photo103 here
                                                                                            http://uverseonline.att.net/tv/show/f...

                                                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                                                              One can be bothered about the appearance of tv food show hosts, and if they are consenting adults, by all mean, imply that their fat on any forum that deems it appropriate fodder.
                                                                                              But kids? Come on.

                                                                                      2. re: dolly52

                                                                                        How dare those fat people be cooking for their family, right dolly.

                                                                                        yes that's sarcasm.

                                                                                      3. I cannot stand this show. Every time I see her, I just sense this underlying anger. She does not come off as approachable in any way. More like we're all stupid, so she talks to us like children.

                                                                                        I love the idea of farm fresh, but come on FNW let's be realistic with portions and what we're feeding ourselves.

                                                                                        1. I'd like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year.

                                                                                          No matter what we think of her and her show:-)

                                                                                          1. For Christmas Dinner, as a side dish, I made her Brussels Sprout and Kale Salad. It was delicious, and everyone was taking seconds on it. Even those who heard "kale" and got a bit sick at the thought, they seemed to like it as well.

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                                                                                            1. re: mwk

                                                                                              I found it listed on epicurious and bon appetit too, sounds interesting. Wonder who actually invented it though, they had it in their 2011 editions.

                                                                                              1. re: coll

                                                                                                As soon as I saw that I remembered that I made the same salad out of Bon Appetit a year or two ago.

                                                                                                1. re: DGresh

                                                                                                  Yeah, how about that. Exactly the same. I wonder how many of the recipes on these FoodTV shows are retreads? I'd bet a lot. Still, it was delicious so I'm glad I saw her making it.

                                                                                                  1. re: mwk

                                                                                                    I'm going to try it myself, no matter who invented it.

                                                                                                    1. re: coll

                                                                                                      Definitely try it. It was delicious, regardless of the provenance...

                                                                                                      1. re: mwk

                                                                                                        Oh I am, just not calling it Nancy Fullers Salad!

                                                                                                    2. re: mwk

                                                                                                      Depends on the chef. Julia Child took most of her recipes from classic French cooking. Sandra Lee's 'recipes' are more likely to be innovative, though there's the claim that her Kwanzaa cake was ghost developed. ATK mostly tries to improve established recipes. Sometimes they innovate on only one or two steps.

                                                                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                                                                        Here's Nancy Fullers

                                                                                                        Kale and Brussels Sprout Salad
                                                                                                        Nancy Fuller

                                                                                                        Ingredients
                                                                                                        3 cups Brussels sprouts
                                                                                                        1 large bunch Tuscan kale, center stems discarded
                                                                                                        1 small clove garlic
                                                                                                        1 small shallot
                                                                                                        1 cup finely grated pecorino
                                                                                                        1/2 cup extra-virgin olive oil
                                                                                                        1/2 cup toasted pine nuts
                                                                                                        2 tablespoons Dijon mustard
                                                                                                        3 lemons, zested and juiced
                                                                                                        Salt and freshly ground black pepper

                                                                                                        Directions

                                                                                                        In a food processor fitted with a slicing blade, shred the Brussels sprouts. Next, shred the kale. Add the garlic and shallot and shred. (Alternatively, shred and mince the vegetables with a knife.) Set aside.

                                                                                                        In a large bowl, whisk together the pecorino, olive oil, pine nuts, mustard, lemon zest and juice and salt and pepper to taste. Add in the shredded vegetables and toss well to combine. Let the salad sit for 10 minutes before serving to allow the dressing to permeate the greens.


                                                                                                        .

                                                                                                        And here's Epicurious/Bon Appetit

                                                                                                        Kale & Brussels Sprout Salad
                                                                                                        Bon Appétit | November 2011

                                                                                                        by Susan Spungen


                                                                                                        Yield:
                                                                                                        Makes 8 to 10 servings
                                                                                                        ingredients

                                                                                                        •1/4 cup fresh lemon juice
                                                                                                        •2 tablespoons Dijon mustard
                                                                                                        •1 tablespoon minced shallot
                                                                                                        •1 small garlic clove, finely grated
                                                                                                        •1/4 teaspoon kosher salt plus more for seasoning
                                                                                                        •Freshly ground black pepper
                                                                                                        •2 large bunches of Tuscan kale (about 1 1/2 pounds total), center stem discarded, leaves thinly sliced
                                                                                                        •12 ounces brussels sprouts, trimmed, finely grated or shredded with a knife
                                                                                                        •1/2 cup extra-virgin olive oil, divided
                                                                                                        •1/3 cup almonds with skins, coarsely chopped
                                                                                                        •1 cup finely grated Pecorino

                                                                                                        preparation

                                                                                                        Combine lemon juice, Dijon mustard, shallot, garlic, 1/4 teaspoon salt, and a pinch of pepper in a small bowl. Stir to blend; set aside to let flavors meld. Mix thinly sliced kale and shredded brussels sprouts in a large bowl.

                                                                                                        Measure 1/2 cup oil into a cup. Spoon 1 tablespoon oil from cup into a small skillet; heat oil over medium-high heat. Add almonds to skillet and stir frequently until golden brown in spots, about 2 minutes. Transfer nuts to a paper towel–lined plate. Sprinkle almonds lightly with salt.

                                                                                                        Slowly whisk remaining olive oil in cup into lemon-juice mixture. Season dressing to taste with salt and pepper. DO AHEAD: Dressing, kale mixture, and toasted almonds can be prepared 8 hours ahead. Cover dressing and kale mixture separately and chill. Cover almonds and let stand at room temperature.

                                                                                                        Add dressing and cheese to kale mixture; toss to coat. Season lightly with salt and pepper. Garnish with almonds.

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                                                                                                        So she mixes up the order of the ingredients and uses pine nuts instead of almonds? Guess that covers the copyright laws.

                                                                                                        1. re: coll

                                                                                                          Do recipes have copyrights? If she switched out the almonds for pine nuts, is that now a "different" recipe?

                                                                                                          1. re: mwk

                                                                                                            Yes, note the copywrite signature on epicurious. But only the ingredients themselves I believe, not the instructions. Unless I could have it backwards, any lawyers in the house?

                                                                                                          2. re: coll

                                                                                                            Same (or similar) ingredients, and your own (or paraphrased) instructions is not a copyright violation. The Chow recipe guidelines elaborate on this.

                                                                                                            http://www.chow.com/faq#recipes

                                                                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                                                                              Thanks for the info. Anyway this is obviously not a homegrown recipe, just a variation on a theme.

                                                                                                  2. I just now found this show - god awful . . . .I couldn't get through the first ten minutes. The ONLY reason I watched was the scenery and the house . . . this woman has a grating personality and she doesn't really give clear instructions on what she is cooking/baking! I'll take Paula Dean ANY DAY over this rubbish . . . .

                                                                                                    1. I'd also like to add that there IS no comparison to Paula Deen - at least I learned things from her show . . . I think the producers are banking on the filming being done in a antique house and beautiful scenery will pull viewers in - I LOVE that stuff - but I STILL can't watch this show - that's how bad it is . . .

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                                                                                                      1. re: creekside44

                                                                                                        I agree, the setting is lovely and I gave her numerous chances but I just can't watch her show anymore. I'm sure she is probably a nice person.

                                                                                                        1. re: creekside44

                                                                                                          love gorgeous scenery and an old old farm house doesn't hurt

                                                                                                        2. I watched the show for the first time and I was shocked.
                                                                                                          It was like watching Baby Huey waddling around. Watching her fat fingers mix the meatloaf made my stomach sick.
                                                                                                          She talks to the audience like we are a bunch of kindergartners. Never again!

                                                                                                          1. For some reason, I thought the show had been cancelled, but alas I caught an episode this morning. It was interesting I thought the interaction with her husband was not what I expected.

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                                                                                                              1. re: coll

                                                                                                                Not sure, I'd need to see more. I will say that it remined me of Ree Drummond and her husband. I guess I expected him to look different so that threw me off.

                                                                                                                The episode was about repurposing leftovers. Apparently her husband hates leftovers so she repurposed them in a way that he actually didn't realize they were leftovers. It had the same awkward tone that the whole show seems to have. I think perhaps she just doesn't do well on camera.

                                                                                                                1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                  Thanks I was just curious. I knew both of them professionally awhile back so I don't want to say anything more ;-) Hey if they're getting paid, what the heck?

                                                                                                                  1. re: coll

                                                                                                                    True, no judgment on my part. I'd probably suck on TV.

                                                                                                                    1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                      Me too, unless my best friend was the director!

                                                                                                            1. I caught the show a few times now and don’t care for it. The first time I tuned in mid-episode to see her at a farm eating a peach and then wiping her wet face on a man’s shirt (I did see that, right?) Charming. She comes off sort of smug and preachy to me, and her jokey asides are not a bit funny. She’s a messy cook and seems to always have her hands covered in some glop…today it was cheesecake, another time it was potato salad. I wish they would bring Heartland Table back, it was the only FN show that I liked.

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                                                                                                              1. re: EM23

                                                                                                                I so agree about Heartland Table. Host (sorry, can't think of her name 'cause it's on so infrequently) has such a calm, casual, confident manner, like she's not trying hard to impress anyone, just showing how she does something she obviously loves. Wish they'd do away with "Farmhouse" and give "Heartland" that slot.

                                                                                                                1. re: GiGiWy

                                                                                                                  Amy is really good on camera-she's a natural.
                                                                                                                  You think she's all Mid West meat and potatoes, but the woman knows bold flavors.

                                                                                                              2. Has anyone else noticed the double-dipping? While cooking for family (her supposed audience) and cooking for guests may be different, on just one show, I counted 4 times she used the cooking utensil for a taste then put the utensil right back into the pot. At the least, I'd expect her to say "this is just for hubby and me..." i.e., some lesson for any newbies that double-dipping isn't okay. I saw only this 1 show of the new season, and that was enough (along with her OTT personae) to put me off, again.

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                                                                                                                1. re: pine time

                                                                                                                  I double dip all the time for DH and me, but am fanatical about NOT doing it when cooking for others.

                                                                                                                  1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                    Me, too, which may be why I was so aware of it on her show.

                                                                                                                  2. re: pine time

                                                                                                                    I never double dip. It grosses me out, even if it's just the two of us. I have a mason jar of tasting spoons next to the stove, and that works for me. I use long iced tea spoons, so no worries about getting burned either.

                                                                                                                  3. Well the Hudson Valley sure is beautiful. Isn't it?

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                                                                                                                    1. re: JTPhilly

                                                                                                                      Thank you, we're pretty lucky. There are so many beautiful places in this country, and it's nice to know folks are getting to see what the Valley has to offer. :)

                                                                                                                    2. Everyone keeps saying she is no Paula Deen, true. Instead of finding a replacement, why not bring back the original? Hasn't she served her time? What about parole for her?

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                                                                                                                      1. re: Beatle

                                                                                                                        FN treated Paula like she had ebola, and was on fire.
                                                                                                                        Bam! She's dropped of the FN map- no reruns. Nothing.
                                                                                                                        They wiped her and every one of her shows right off.

                                                                                                                        I don't think they're ever going to align with her again, and if I were Paula, I'd be hard pressed to go back.

                                                                                                                        Look at Robert Irvine. He lied on his resume and basically got a time out.
                                                                                                                        He's back in full force now.

                                                                                                                      2. Oh my gosh.. Not what I was hoping for :/ Nancy is more than a tad hard to take. Loved the premise but not for me.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: DeboraHarv

                                                                                                                          I've watched/listened to most of the episodes. I really want to like the show but the way that she speaks makes me nuts. She pauses in the middle of sentences but in totally random places that make no sense. "and now we're off to the. . . . . . . . farm!" It is cringetastic.

                                                                                                                          1. As others have said, a Yankee version of PD--without the humor. The show is okay, the host is fine, but if it's going to be a grandmother cooking traditional recipes ("rules"?) in her own kitchen with family members wandering in I'd rather have the real thing, Paula.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: jammydoger

                                                                                                                              It's a shame that FN burned the bridge with Paula.
                                                                                                                              I'd watch new shows- love her home and all of her little creatures.

                                                                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                I miss Paula's cooking, she got a little OTT in later episodes, probably at the urging of her producer. But I'd watch new episodes too.

                                                                                                                                1. re: jammydoger

                                                                                                                                  I thought she was OTT on her show, "Paula's Party"- a bit raunchy for my taste.
                                                                                                                                  But, I have enjoyed her cooking in her kitchen because she seems warm and inviting.
                                                                                                                                  FH's kitchen doesn't seem all that warm, as if she'd tell you that you're doing stuff the wrong way and "don't you wish you had a beehive oven like me????"

                                                                                                                                  1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                    Paula's Party - I got the feeling I was seeing the real Paula for the first time. Wasn't sure if she was going through some type of hormonal change or what. Whatever the reason, I was thoroughly embarrassed for the woman. Awful show.

                                                                                                                            2. it was on when I turned tv on this morning.
                                                                                                                              saw what she intended to make, no desire to do even 1 of them for the family so channel got turned.

                                                                                                                              1. This thread shall continue on as the show has been renewed for a third season.
                                                                                                                                http://www.ginsbergs.com/nancys-niche...

                                                                                                                                1. Watched the first 5 minutes of this show. How did a very very overweight NO-TALENT person get a TV show? The woman has an awful speaking voice and her pitch is incredibly annoying. Making it worse she takes her grand kids to a market where they feed bottled milk to calves. Bottled milk to calves? Those calves should be drinking milk straight from their momma. The grandkids have no idea those calves are going to be slaughtered to make that unhealthy meatloaf on their fat grandmas's table. I'm done with Food Network! Meatloaf, potato salad and peach cobbler, ugh. How in the world is that considered good nutrition. Look at the host—that's how healthy it is.

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: sickoftheignorance

                                                                                                                                    What does her weight have to do with it? Only skinny people are allowed to have cooking shows?

                                                                                                                                    1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                      I saw part of the show and didn't care for it but reading this thread, I'm surprised (well, not surprised but disappointed) to see all the irrelevant, mean comments about her weight. It's one reason I feel for the person in this thread:

                                                                                                                                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/985139

                                                                                                                                      People who are overweight are constantly criticized for their food choices, as evident in this thread.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                        Some of those posts were unbelievable.

                                                                                                                                    2. re: sickoftheignorance

                                                                                                                                      That's a rather harsh ad hominem attack.
                                                                                                                                      Her show isn't for me, but I wouldn't discount her because of her weight.

                                                                                                                                      I love Ina Garten, Mario, Emeril... they've all had amazingly successful shows and I've used all of their recipes.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                        This. I don't like the show but her weight has nothing to do with it.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                          I agree. I love Ina, asked for her latest cookbook for Christmas. She's not exactly svelte, and her weight has nothing to do with her talent as an on-air personality.

                                                                                                                                        2. re: sickoftheignorance

                                                                                                                                          I am so surprised so many people get on the defensive when someone uses the word "Overweight". Being so much overweight is a problem, Ina is BIG, so is Mario. I don't think their cooking has anything much to do with it, it is their eating habits and the health risks associated with it. We are an overweight nation and it would be nice if more people would burn as much calories as they consume.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: hueyishere

                                                                                                                                            True but are you saying weight should be a discriminatory factor as to whether someone can host a tv show?

                                                                                                                                            1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                              I guess you can read into it what you like, that was not my comment.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: hueyishere

                                                                                                                                                Your comment was people need to lose weight...no shit. How is that relevant to this discussion?

                                                                                                                                            2. re: hueyishere

                                                                                                                                              That's a strawman argument--no one has defended being overweight. It's just irrelevant here.

                                                                                                                                          2. I'm watching (what I think is) a new episode with the grandkids.
                                                                                                                                            Nancy got a makeover and looks to have lost a little weight, and her sink is the size of a bathtub!
                                                                                                                                            This is pure lifestyle tv, not a culinary instructional show, so I think most people will watch it to ogle her life/house/family.

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                                                                                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                              I think most of FN's shows are lifestyle shows, except the awful reality contests.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                *nail hits head

                                                                                                                                                This show is all about the scenery and the family there is nothing to be gained regarding cooking most of the shows are like this now

                                                                                                                                                1. re: JTPhilly

                                                                                                                                                  Yes, I caught a new PW episode and "Paigey" was going to look at colleges.
                                                                                                                                                  I've no idea what she made, just recall that the family's cemetery on their vast land reminded me of The Thornbirds.

                                                                                                                                              2. I watched it today and I was okay with it up until she made potato salad, roughly cutting up an onion with a few chops of the knife, a stick of celery with maybe six chops, a huge gob of mayo and mixing it all up with her hands. Ughhh.

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                                                                                                                                                1. re: noodlepoodle

                                                                                                                                                  Did you see how she puffed up and said "an it's all mine!", as if that basic, nothin' special potato salad was a real "get" for anyone's recipe book.
                                                                                                                                                  Mmkay now.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: noodlepoodle

                                                                                                                                                    Yikes, she mixed it up with her hands? Why??? A large spoon wasn't available? From your description, she needs a mysterious hand under the counter that reaches up to give her properly diced veggies. LOL

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: breadchick

                                                                                                                                                      Mixing up things with the hands that stick and cover the hands just calls for a big spoon.
                                                                                                                                                      Meatloaf? Sure.
                                                                                                                                                      Potato salad? Not so much.

                                                                                                                                                  2. I kind of like a plump grandmotherly cooking show host. I like the lifestyle shows better than the never-bloody-ending contests.

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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jammydoger

                                                                                                                                                      I can't even have a cupcake challenge on in the background because I might get homicidal.
                                                                                                                                                      Well, not really, but...

                                                                                                                                                    2. I found it sorta like a less pretentious Barefoot Contessa meets the Pioneer Woman after the latter goes off set and loses the perma-smile.

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: buckytom

                                                                                                                                                        I agree, I can't really watch pioneer woman. She's just so dang *nice*! (And I like nice, like Ellen DeG)

                                                                                                                                                      2. I didn't like the first episode I watched because I felt she was talking down to the viewer. Her recipes though are what kept me coming back, and she has really grown on me. I think the "talking down" has more to do with her getting comfortable in front of the camera. When she forgets herself, she comes across as a fun and interesting person. I agree that she does come across like a Paula Deen style of food celebrity. I like Paula, so I don't mind. But as others have mentioned, Ina is the queen. I happened to meet Ina in Napa recently when I was there visiting with my son and his friend. She took the time to ask us our names and shake our hands and then indulged us as we took photos. She was so gracious, so polite, and just a lovely person. Classy.