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Anti Thanksgiving Foodists

OK, admit it, you never really liked turkey. Never been so fond of cranberry sauce. Could live you whole life without stuffing (well, unless it has shitake mushrooms in it). I've never really, truly liked Thanksgiving foods and this year I think I'm going to do something completely anarchist - a special menu and pairing, but no pumpkins anywhere to be seen. Am I the only one? For those of you who agree, what do you make on Tday?

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  1. I totally agree. Turkey, I could take it or leave it. Mashed potatoes, same thing. Stuffing...cannot eat it. Yams or sweet potatoes, no interest at all. Pumpkin pie and my mom's homemade crescent rolls were the only thing I ever looked forward to.

    As I am the sole person who feels this way in my family (even my vegetarian husband has things he loves about the Thanksgiving meal), I do the big dinner every year. It's more of a family day to me than an eating day. And I can eat snacks before and have two pieces of pie if I wish, knowing I am calories ahead of most everyone else.

    1. i'm beyond agreement with you.
      i've hated the thanksgiving meal ever since i can remember.
      (bland poultry and lots of carbs that have soaked up untold amounts of grease)

      i've decided to extend "jewish christmas" to include Thanksgiving also.

      at this point my plan is to go to a chinese restaurant.

      i will miss the part about everyone sitting together and hanging out together for the day, though.

      i may end up getting chinese take out so i can have both a good meal AND the pleasure of spending the day hanging around with folks that i love.

      1. I love turkey with all my usual trimmings but a couple of years ago I overdosed on turkey. I consequently announced that the next Thanksgiving dinner I would start a new tradition, Thanksgiving steak and baked potato dinner. It was a hit! Last year I caved and had turkey but this year I'm really craving one of my very favorite meals--sloppy Joe sandwiches, French fries, and cole slaw.

        1. Stopped turkey a while ago.

          These days the popular requests are:

          1. Bone in breast of veal
          2. Lamb shoulder
          3. Pork belly with ribs attached.

          All so much more tender, juicier, and more flavorful than turkey. And you can still keep the sides for the sake of tradition.

          1. i've done hot pot. a lot less work, easier to accommodate vegetarians (with tofu and meatier mushrooms), much easier clean up afterwards.

            or i'll just make a ham or prime rib instead. ain't no thing to me.

            1. I am not crazy about turkey either. But my sons love it and as long as they are willing to travel here to be with me, I will cook what they want. As someone else said, it's more about being with the ones we love than the particular food.

              1. I hated "Thanksgiving food" growing up and I'm still not a big fan of most of it (turkey, mashed potatoes/gravy, green bean casserole, candied yams, traditional stuffing, etc. - none of it interests me). However, I do love pie, and now that I've developed a few of my own recipes for things (chipotle sweet potatoes, roasted fennel and shallot stuffing with sausage and porcini mushrooms, Brussels sprouts gratin), I enjoy those parts of the meal and leave the rest. If I feel I really must have a main protein, I just grill myself a quick steak.

                1. Wow, guess I'm the odd duck.... I grew up not loving the turkey meal, and my Mom, God love her, would make a pan of lasagne for me along with the traditional turkey & sides.

                  Now, as a mom myself, I really look forward to the meal, and creating a tradition for my family. We use recipes from both my family & my husband's, and we all look forward to the meal and the leftovers.

                  Perhaps those of you who dislike the roast turkey have never really had one that was cooked correctly.....just my two cents.

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                  1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                    Or maybe it just isn't one of the foods we really like.

                    1. re: weezieduzzit

                      There is another current thread about yumming my yuck if you only did it my way.

                    2. re: Dirtywextraolives

                      I have made a brined, spatchcocked, high-temp, moist-breasted, crispy-skinned, organic turkey.

                      It still tasted like turkey. In other words, it was OK, but not special enough for a holiday meal.

                      1. re: sandylc

                        There ya go.....

                        Isn't it great we live in a place where you can choose what you want & like to cook without having to follow a herd?!

                    3. My Aunt's parents never liked turkey so their tradition has always been chicken fried steak. I used to love going there when they hosted.

                      We're really not roasted turkey fans (no matter how many variations and ways to "dress it up" we tried,) and since realizing how much better I feel and look since stopping eating grains and starchy veggies I'm not willing to take a step backwards. Last year we skipped out on Thanksgiving and made a leg of lamb on the grill that had been marinated in olive oil, lemon juice, garlic and za 'atar. Roasted non-starchy veggies, hummus and babaganoush, olives, feta, halloumi, tomato and cucumber salad, etc. I'm hoping to do the same this year, we really enjoyed it, and with the weather staying as warm as it has been here many of the veggies will be out of the garden including the tomatoes and cucumbers!

                      1. Last I checked Thanksgiving dinner can be anything you want it to be, including reservations!

                        We're having capon, turkey legs for the turkey lovers and plenty of sides. Big family gathering and lots of fun-which is the entire point of our holiday gatherings. Food should be easy!

                        1. I'd do this in a heartbeat if my family would even consider it. But that isn't going to happen. For me there's just too much stuff on the table. Turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, green beans, noodles, cranberry sauce, the list can go on and on.

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                          1. re: HoosierFoodie

                            I think this is the part that bugs me. And I'm not picking on your or your family :) Honest. I've read here for years the equivalent of "if my family would even consider it." It doesn't seem like there's any other US holiday that inspires this. And why doesn't the cook have the only say? I remember a friend saying, about something totally not food related, "My roof, my rules." I caved a few years ago and did that carb-loaded (and I love carbs!), traditionally bland menu and after all that considerable work wound up with the exact boring meal that I knew it would be. "Quoth the raven, never more." Rant over ;) If this isn't even close to your fave menu, then don't cook it. They'll live and might even learn to have NEW traditions.

                          2. It's not as though I despise turkey, it just happens that I enjoy other things far more. When it's Thanksgiving at our house, it is duck, goose, lamb, venison or wild boar with appropriate fixings/sides. And dessert is Banoffee Pie, Sticky Toffee Pudding, Pavlova, Eton Mess, Chocolate Pots de Crème, Crème Brulee, Panna Cotta - nothing pumpkin.

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                            1. re: chefathome

                              Now this is brilliant! A whopping wonderful meal with a ton of flavors going on. You go!

                              1. re: c oliver

                                Thanks. This year we happened to be in Croatia during our Canadian Thanksgiving but we celebrated by having wild boar goulash over grilled polenta and wild mushroom risotto. Not at our house there but at a konoba which is a local, family-run restaurant. Tons of flavour in that meal, too!

                                1. re: chefathome

                                  Sounds like a real festival meal, chefathome, which is what Thanksgiving should be.

                              2. re: chefathome

                                "When it's Thanksgiving at our house, it is duck, goose, lamb, venison or wild boar..."

                                That not only sounds wonderful, it's probably a lot closer to what the original Thanksgiving dinner included. They also were very likely to eat shellfish with the meal.

                                1. re: EarlyBird

                                  No one seems to miss the turkey! :-) You are probably right about the inclusion of shellfish as well.

                                  1. re: chefathome

                                    Speaking of, for a variety of reasons, for Thanksgiving this year I'm just making my $200 gumbo. I make a massive pot of it once a year in "big blue," my 13 1/4 quart Le Creuset Dutch oven.

                                    The day after I'll go pick up a smallish turkey on sale and smoke it in the backyard.

                                    Have a great feast!

                              3. there are a few of our family members that don't care for the traditional Thanksgiving fare. the soft, warm foods made by our loving grannies.

                                For them we make either a leg of market lamb or a standing rib roast/prime rib, as they are red meat eaters of the highest order.

                                it's usually a large gathering, so this helps in not doing two or three turkeys. they also are not gravy people, unlike me, so I make extra gravies, one or more for each meat and turkey. actually, all I really need is a large bowl of gravy and a straw. or the whole 8qt pot...

                                I'll sum up my turkey relationship to, I eat it once a year, and rarely of ever order a turkey sandwich in a deli, diner, or restaurant throughout the rest of the year. that, I find, helps.

                                sweet potatoes and yams are a fall and winter long love affair of mine, as tomatoes are around only from mid-August until late October.

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                                1. re: Gastronomos

                                  <<actually, all I really need is a large bowl of gravy and a straw. or the whole 8qt pot...>>

                                  ---------

                                  Same here.

                                  Turkey gravy is *the* reason I cook a turkey. At least for myself. The other reasons reside in the sentiments of all the family members who would mount a riot if the full-on traditional Tday menu wasn't in place. I am the lone Thanksgiving menu dissenter in my tribe, so I capitulate. After 25 years of hosting Thanksgiving, I could probably make the meal blindfolded, so it's not too much of a burden, just a bit of a bore, really. And the family thinks I am all-sorts-of-wonderful for it, so...

                                  Gravy helps.

                                  Oh wait, one more reason for turkey cooking from my view: the big turkey hash feed we put on on the Sunday after Tday. Runny-yolk fried eggs stand in for gravy and Cay is happy.

                                  1. re: cayjohan

                                    Agree the gravy is the best part of a turkey dinner. Veal juices and lamb in red wine also yields delicious juices and gravy...

                                     
                                     
                                    1. re: Porthos

                                      Now see, a vat of good mashed potatoes and a GRAVY BUFFET would make for a great Thanksgiving in my world!

                                      1. re: cayjohan

                                        (I joked with my husband about a Gravy Buffet, and I think I have accidentally created a monster. He's got big dreams, big plans for some vast gravy tasting I am supposed to put on at some point. I guess I have to give thanks for this, right? I brought it on myself.)

                                        1. re: cayjohan

                                          At first I wondered what you'd do with all that meat. Then I realized it might actually be super cheap to do because all you would need is to roast the bones with some aromatics which you can do in separate pans and fit at least 2 a rack in a decent sized oven: duck, turkey, lamb, veal + oxtail...make a roux, add some stock...maybe mix in some sausage to one of them...

                                          And don't forget to use Joel Robuchon's mashed butter and cream with potatoes recipe.

                                          Be sure to report back!

                                          1. re: Porthos

                                            You're what they call an Enabler, right Porthos? <wink>

                                            As much as I would like to bludgeon the bee in my hub's gravy-tasting bonnet, I have to admit it would be a pretty simple thing to execute. And what a theme for the right crowd. I'm filing this away in my depth-of-winter mental file.

                                            1. re: cayjohan

                                              You're what they call an Enabler, right Porthos? <wink>
                                              ============
                                              Who me? No! Well, at least not since the weekend... ;-)

                                        2. re: cayjohan

                                          weddings and such in huge catering halls around here have mashed potato buffets:

                                           
                                           
                                           
                                  2. My family hates turkey. All of us. So we usually have a country ham along with all of the usual sidedish suspects. Dressing, cranberry salad, and, yes, green bean casserole that our family affectionately calls "bean yuck." We like it, by the way. Anyway, this year, we are having breakfast for Thanksgiving dinner around noon. Country ham will still be on the table. We are not ones to stand on ceremony when it comes to holidays. It's more about getting together with family than the specific food for us. The food is always fantastic because we have some great cooks in the family but we don't feel the need to have turkey, for example, just because it's Thanksgiving. My sister-in-law though tells us we are "un-American" and gets a little huffy over it.

                                    1. I happen to love Thanksgiving dinner, but understand why others may not. Here's a suggestion: check out books which talk about the "first" Thanksgiving, and you'll find almost everything BUT turkey and suffing. Instead you will find, rabbit, venison, duck, soup, fish, different gourds and other veggies. Not a giant stuffed turkey on the table and cranberry sauce.

                                      You could have a lot of fun putting together a real Thanksgiving Day feast.

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                                      1. I'm ok with turkey, although I'll alwats choose ham if given the optiom. I don't particularly like stuffing, mashed potatoes or gravy; I love all vegetables but I I prefer them in relatively unadorned fashion (roasted, grilled, steamed etc., which are not the typical Thanksgiving preparations); and pie is way down on my list of favored desserts. Here is where being a single person with no family nearby has its advantages. I've never hosted a Thanksgiving dinner myself. Sometimes I go to a friend's house, where I'll bring a simple green vegetable or a dessert that isn't pie. But I've also been known to boycott Thanksgiving dinner completely (which can involve some little white lies about other commitments as I turn down invitations). I stay home and watch football, eat pizza, and start prepping dough for Christmas cookies. It makes for a really enjoyable day.

                                        1. I'm so sick of seeing pumpkin flavored crap everywhere that I'm jettisoning the pumpkin pie from T'Day this year. I'm thinking a coconut cream pie instead.

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                                          1. re: Kat

                                            We've never had pumpkin pie at Thanksgiving and I'm glad as I don't particularly like the pumpkin craze either. We always had sweet potato pie and I didn't even know pumpkin pie was a thing until college. Coconut cream pie is always a hit at our dinner. The dessert table usually includes that along with sweet potato pie, pecan pie, and chocolate cake.

                                            1. re: Kat

                                              I'm making a butterscotch pie, and maybe lemon meringue. Better than pumpkin any day.

                                            2. I love Thanksgiving, probably favorite week of the year. We don't make anythign particularly special just tried and true family favorites. I actually enjoy turkey so look forward to that but the real treats are the southern baked mac and cheese, rum spiked sweet potatoes, mashed potatoes, sage dressing, and delectable gravy with moist old fashioned butter rolls on the side.

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                                              1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                Same here.... I find comfort in making or even tweaking our family favorites. Can I ask how you do your rum spiked sweet potatoes? Sounds good, and that's the one area I'm not thrilled with, the traditional sweet potato mash with nuts and marshmallows on top......

                                                1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                  Well, I would tell you but I have no idea. It's grandma's "recipe" which isn't a recipe at all but her 85 year experience. I usually chat with her on Saturdays so I can ask her then but I know it's pretty simple ingredient list - sweet potatoes, butter, brown sugar, vanilla, rum, no marshamallows ever and savory vs. overly sweet.

                                                  1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                    Sounds wonderful, and a treasured family heirloom! Lucky you still have your grandmother, I miss mine all the time....

                                                    1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                      I am so grateful to still have her, and I tell her every week that she better be immortal because I'm not letting her go anywhere anytime soon.

                                                      I called her this morning to say hi and asked about the recipe which isn't a recipe as I imagined. For probably a standard bag of sweet potatoes what she likes to call yams but are actually sweet potatoes, which is uusally 4-5 lbs or so she mixes up 1 cup brown sugar, 1/2 -1 cup white sugar, butter (I imagine she uses a good amount, but you can add to taste, she probably starts with a stick), splash of vanilla, dash of nutmeg and cinnamon, splash of rum or brandy, mixes it all up and bakes. We've never added maple syrup but I think the brown sugar adds sort of that molasses syrupy flavor without making it overly sweet. They are delicious and so simple to make. Also, the mix is not soupy when it's baked and so the potatoes come out with some substance to them still which we all prefer more than when they get too soft.

                                                      1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                        How sweet, thank you so much for asking her! I'm assuming she boils up the potatoes first or bakes them first? Then they are all mashed together with the sugar mixture? Sounds wonderful, thanks again....

                                                        1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                          Yes, I should have mentioned that. She boils them and then dices into large chunks, pours the sugar-butter mixture over and mixes. Wow, now I have flashbacks of heading back to college with bags full of sweet potatoes!

                                              2. This will be the first year that I'm not participating in a traditional Thanksgiving cook-a-thon. Mr. DGinDC and I are planning to tackle some Madhur Jaffrey recipes and have a homemade Indian feast! Chicken curry, cauliflower and potatoes, garlic naan, rice and gulab jamun. Salivating, just thinking about it.

                                                1. We're going out to an Indian buffet on Thanksgiving day.

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                                                  1. re: Maggiethecat

                                                    Funny, that's pretty much what the Pilgrims did.

                                                    1. re: Cheez62

                                                      I don't think she mean THAT kind of Indian :)

                                                      1. re: c oliver

                                                        Hehe, I am sure that you are right. I just couldn't help myself ;-)

                                                        1. re: Cheez62

                                                          Hehe, I thought that's what you meant but wasn't sure :)

                                                  2. I live in Japan where turkey is not at all popular (though some are raised in Hokkaido and Northern Japan), so it was quite a surprise to see Burger King Japan offering grilled turkey legs from mid-November.

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                                                    1. re: Tripeler

                                                      Is there much chicken in Japan? I realize growing turkeys and growing chickens are different, but I am a little surprised that turkey is not popular in Japan since it is an efficient protein.

                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                        In Japan, chicken is everywhere! In fact, everyone thinks of roast chicken for Christmas dinner. But turkey just doesn't make it. To begin with, ovens in Japan are just not big enough for a whole turkey. Then, the amount of meat in a turkey is just too great for most households. And on and on. Yes, turkey is an efficient protein, but Japanese really don't think of that, they think of other factors first.

                                                        1. re: Tripeler

                                                          I worked for a small company in Tokyo many years ago. The owner/boss had gone to school in the U.S. For some reason, even he thought chicken was a Christmas thing. But anyway, as a gift for all employees of the company every year around New Years, he would get us all these mini-smoked turkeys that arrived by mail. I would cut it up and heat up sections in the fish broiler of my little stove unit. Nippon Ham and Kirin were two of our company's clients and they would send over gift sets of smoked meats and beer. The company would just give these to me. So I would host little holiday dinners with turkey and ham and beer. Worked out well...I should mention that how New Years is celebrated in Japan is akin to Thanksgiving in the U.S.

                                                          They do sell turkey at like National Azabu and such. And I saw it at some Precce markets as well. Only a few years ago, when I was visiting in November, I walked out of Okachimachi Station and saw mini smoked turkeys being sold on the street in front of a supermarket....Anyway, my Japanese buddy, who was a regular at my little turkey dinner parties, to this day loves turkey. Those little smoked numbers were really good actually.

                                                    2. I am a little surprised at the angst over turkey. I would not think such a benign protein would engender such emotions. We like turkey and cook it many times a year, not just at Thanksgiving. In fact, tomorrow I am returning to our deer camp in northern Minnesota. This weekend my brother will be roasting a turkey while I make the mashed potatoes, stuffing, and gravy. I am bringing roasted turkey broth for the gravy. My brother brought some sort of gravy mix, but I nixed that. There would likely be some sort of riot if I cooked some sort of vegetable.

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                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                        i suspect a lot of it is:
                                                        1) the size of the bird and the ensuing leftovers;
                                                        2) a lot of people don't prepare it properly so it's not as moist as it could be;

                                                        1. re: barryc

                                                          I have always figured two 12 pound turkeys are better than one 25 pound bird. Those big birds are classic for overcooked breast meat.

                                                          1. re: barryc

                                                            Totally agree with your second point.....

                                                          2. re: John E.

                                                            John E. I have to agree with you. Mom used to make a small bird several times a year, and then on the bone turkey breast became more readily available in our local supermarket...

                                                            Turkey sandwiches became ubiquitous and the whole thing went to pot, for some.

                                                            I agree, a 12 Lb bird is for roasting. Those 20-25 Lbers are a safe bet for dry breast meat and way too many leftovers to deal with for many.

                                                            I feel your pain about wanting to bring a veggie to the camp. I couldn't do it either if I tried. No less my fave, meat & 3... it'd never fly...

                                                          3. I usually do a themed dinner of some sort. I have done Thai, Cajun, Italian, and sometimes just a huge number of appetizers and finger foods.

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                                                            1. re: pbo2444

                                                              And that's a tradition on its own, right?

                                                            2. I'm so deeply saddened by how long it took me to discover this year's Thanksgiving food bitch thread. Why not just post to any of the others over the past decade plus? The rest of you know better. Can't we stop the nonsense? Perhaps another "I don't want Ham for Easter" discussion?

                                                              Face it, there is only one High Holy Day for Food Dicks. It's Thanksgiving - last Thursday in November - one of Lincoln's two major proclamations.* If you don't like the turkey you've eaten before, learn to cook better or make some other fuckin' dishes. Respect the premise. Eat with gusto. Drink with abandon. And, don't bitch about the relatives or the plates. That's the point.

                                                              To put it another way, do you really believe that Jesus was born on December 25th in a Walmart parking lot line? Ditch the bird if you like, but revel in celebration and gratefulness.

                                                              *By the President of the United States of America.

                                                              A Proclamation.

                                                              The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

                                                              In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

                                                              Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.

                                                              By the President: Abraham Lincoln

                                                              William H. Seward,
                                                              Secretary of State

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                                                              1. re: MGZ

                                                                If it's all still confusing, consider:

                                                                "Those who don't believe me, find your souls and set them free
                                                                Those who do, believe and know that time will be your key
                                                                Time and time again I've thanked them for a peace of mind
                                                                That helped me find myself amongst the music and the rhyme
                                                                That enchants you there"

                                                                1. re: MGZ

                                                                  1. Its NOT the last Thursday in November, its the 4th Thursday in November, although most years that's the same thing, but sometimes there are 5.

                                                                  2. We start new threads every year because - like turkey - it's tradition. What are you some kind of radical? (j/k)

                                                                  3. You make some good points. But its better for people to vent their frustrations here than in the middle of the blessing on thanksgiving day.

                                                                  4. This is one of at least two rant threads on Thanksgiving this year, and there are a couple of 'faves' threads as well.

                                                                  the happiest of holidays to you MGZ!

                                                                  1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                    Now that, K-Man, is the kinda sh*t I miss from the other Deliciousness Dorks when I go away from the Site for a while. Well played, my old friend. And, the happiest of Federally approved, over-eating to you as well.

                                                                    As to the venting of frustrations during the blessing - somehow I see a buncha staged YouTube videos come Black Friday.

                                                                2. I don't mind turkey, but we're in the mood for something a little different this year. Talked to my wife and decided we'd go with a one pot meal, cioppino.

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                                                                  1. re: mike0989

                                                                    We're thinking about this for Christmas dinner! Here's Tadich (SF) recipe from Saveur:

                                                                    http://www.saveur.com/article/Recipes...

                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                      We make something similar for Christmas Eve - the fennel bulb is essential.

                                                                      To be on topic - I like turkey and stuffing and cranberry sauce and plan to serve them on Thanksgiving. But my family has never served mashed potatoes, or sweet potatoes, or green bean casserole. So they won't be on my table.

                                                                      1. re: c oliver

                                                                        Pretty shocking. Cioppino has always used *red* wine AFAIK.

                                                                        1. re: mwhitmore

                                                                          I just did a quick google and just about everything I saw said "white" or "white or red." Since this dish originated in SF and this is the Tadich recipe I'd guess it's pretty 'authentic.'

                                                                    2. I've only made turkey twice. Never have cared for it. Hubby and I are discussing doing duck breasts and non-traditional sides.

                                                                      1. We eat turkey at least once a month in some form as the hubby can only tolerate so much chicken. So turkey is not a big deal. I find roast turkey sort of meh.

                                                                        We decided traditions were sort of making us miserable so we do whatever we want. This year dinner is shrimp, lobster claws, twice baked potatoes, salad and cheesecake. Last year I think it was bone in ham

                                                                        I quit going to the extended family mandated holiday gatherings years ago. They made me miserable and stressed out.