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koshergourmetmart Nov 10, 2013 09:15 AM

what type of interest do you think there is in kosher cheese from other countries. Bashar cheese in jerusalem sells the following:

Sao - Tz'adr obstetrician job escorts
Stilton
Tz'adr and Village Oct
Fort Ilchester Cheddar
Sage Cheddar

Giusti
Iiarlsberg
Goist Goat

Spain


And changed to red wine
Garrotz'h
Manchego sheep's milk outdated
Srwilta

France


Adele de Klron "Jean Fran"
Oh Kasinka
Osso Irati
Emmental de Savoie
Afoas
Borsan
Bush Dafinoah Double Cream
Shame Goat shell ash
Bleu de Esk sheep
Barbie de Afinoah
Braziin
Berry de mo - "Roseayer"
Berry Kntorl
Brian Savran Epinay with truffles
Gostal (it tails) from sheep's milk
Willis de Bourgogne - Triple Cream
Valencia and Harnoy
French Butter wooden basket
Tom de Esk
Tom de Savoie
Tom de fragment
Tom de fracture "Saint Loup"
Tom de Saint Loup broke Normandy
Tom de fragment Certified
Tom Beaumont Armitag with white wine
She Atiwaz Alfaz
She Brin Giotao with red mold
She and fire Curie
Roth has happened Savary Bell
Grand Vivar "Grandaorg'"
Montbriak Blue
Munster
Morbeir "Armitag" with charcoal stripe
Mimolt outdated
Mimolt Normandy outdated 12 months
Raul
St. Agur
St. Alberii
St. Angel - Triple Cream "conscription"
St. Andre - Triple Cream
St. Mor de Turan
St. Raslan
St. Nectar
Paul Epic
Pont Oak Grandaorg'
Fionsh de Pierina
Flor de Onis
Fromag'r de Afinoaah black pepper Giotao
Tombs Arig'aoh
Kolomei
Comté
Camembert "Galond"
Camembert Grand Cru "see"
Camembert Kalbdos "Grndorz"
Happened Doriiak
Croton Vignola
Carmo de Bourgogne
Rbloshon de Savoie
Roquefort "Gabriel Cola"
Raclette half - hard
Me miss
Shmitaaoser "La Shutter" Saboah
Mont d'Or (France - Switzerland)

Israel


Bulgarian Goat "Sophia"
Brinza "Schwartz"
Feta "Schwartz"
Goat cheese "Mercedes"
Salty sheep "Schwartz"
Saint's salty

Switzerland


Mont d'Or (France - Switzerland)
Alpen Tilsitr
Swiss Emmental Premier Cru
Black Swiss Afnzlr
Gruyere Reserve "Grotta" outdated minimum 24 months
And inductor Friborz'oah
Tat de Moyen

Other countries


Brinza sheep (Romania)
Dana Blue (Denmark)
Tulum (Turkey)
Solog (Georgia)


do you think these types of cheese people in the US would buy? do you think people would spend $25-$30/pound?

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    Hirscheys Dec 3, 2013 06:53 PM

    I would definitely buy these cheeses; even if I had to order online, as long as shipping was not exorbitant. I don't think kosher consumers in the US could sustain this kind of selection, but having a singe representative of each type, such as one roquefort, one stilton, one gruyere, etc could work well. If someone imported, perhaps these cheeses could also be marketed to kosher restaurants to benefit from scale. And how nice it would be to have some seriously good cheese at a kosher dairy restaurant!!

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      dougbehrman Dec 3, 2013 12:32 PM

      definitely interested in this if marketed online. However you might have to adjust your markup to compensate for the high shipping costs. I understand the need to make a profit and the costs involved in importing and storing product,but there is a limit to how much people are willing to pay.

      1. k
        KosherChef Nov 10, 2013 06:44 PM

        I think there IS a market for these cheeses with good marketing and promotions if you are able to distribute them via online ordering.

        The previous posts were correct as the kosher clientele is not familiar with 95% of the cheeses on this list however if they were able to learn about a few of them at a time, it could be a great new stream...if they are good.

        I do not like most of the kosher cheeses that are considered "premium" and I do regularly pay $25 pp for cheeses. If I knew that these cheeses were good, I would have no problem ordering some...as long as the shipping price doesnt kill me!

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          koshergourmetmart Nov 10, 2013 08:34 PM

          where are you located? are you near stores that sell kosher cheese or in the boondocks?

          1. re: koshergourmetmart
            jpr54_1 Nov 11, 2013 10:27 AM

            I live in Broward County, Florida
            not too far from Miami-
            It is not the boondocks but there are a few Kosher Stores and a few Cheese Shops(non-kosher).

            People who do not keep kosher might also like to try the cheeses listed above

            1. re: koshergourmetmart
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              KosherChef Nov 13, 2013 11:18 AM

              I am in northern NJ.

              1. re: KosherChef
                jpr54_1 Nov 13, 2013 11:32 AM

                I lived in Northern N.J.
                I think markets in Teaneck and vicinity and Fairlawn would like the cheeses.

                Also not too far away is Rockland County(Monsey,N.Y.)

            2. re: KosherChef
              bagelman01 Nov 11, 2013 06:03 AM

              and I would NOT like these marketed on-line..............
              The delight in fine cheese shopping is to sample and compare buying fresh amounts for whatever one wants to serve/cook that day/week.
              This is why I wrote it would only work in some very specific US neighborhoods.
              I am a hands on food shopper. I wouldn't order meats on-line, in fact I don't want them prepacked in a foam tray, but cut to order, and I wouldn't want to order packaged cheese either.
              Artisinal cheese is not a commodity, like the Wisconsin kosher hard cheeses where price point seems to be all that matters in the kosher community.
              Need I say 108 slice 3lb tab stack....yukkkk

              1. re: bagelman01
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                koshergourmetmart Nov 11, 2013 06:06 AM

                what if the only way to get these cheeses is online?

                1. re: koshergourmetmart
                  jpr54_1 Nov 11, 2013 06:10 AM

                  I would buy them if shipping was not exhorbitant

                  1. re: jpr54_1
                    bagelman01 Nov 11, 2013 07:10 AM

                    "if shipping was not exhorbitant"

                    That's a very subjective statement. Dealing with a perishable food item, chances are that it wiuld require Fedex (or similar) overnight delivery, so that $25 pound of cheese could easily cost more than $25 in shipping from NY toi Chicago.

                    Order 10 pounds and the shipping might drop to $7.50 per pund, still making the cheese $32.50 per pound and a $325 order.

                    I don't think this is a viable marketing method.
                    Yes, I know there are kosher keeping Jews in the boonies who pay through the nose to order mail order kosher meat and stock their freezers. BUT cheese like this is not meant to be frozen and had a limited refrigerator shelf life before there is noticeable loss of flavor/quality/aroma, etc.
                    Most consumers of fine or artisinal cheeses buy for immediate consumption and in small quantities (not talking an aged grinding cheese like Parmiagiano Reggiano). I believe Deluca Cheesemonger (with years of experience in the non-kosher fine cheese business) will bear this out.

                    I live a 90 minute drive from Brooklyn or Forest Hills, but would make the trip to shop for a special occasion, I might drop $150 on cheeses, but probably would be bringing home 10 or 12 different cheeses. Most kosher consumers don't or can't shop this way, but I've only one child left at home and am not killing myself to pay NYC rents and tuition.

                  2. re: koshergourmetmart
                    bagelman01 Nov 11, 2013 06:59 AM

                    then the chances are that I wouldn't be buying them

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                      AdinaA Nov 11, 2013 07:01 AM

                      Doesn't the Cabot kosher cheddar run have to be special ordered by mail? It was pretty poopular. But perhaps some stores carried it.

                      1. re: AdinaA
                        queenscook Nov 11, 2013 09:58 AM

                        I believe the OU Cabot is not even available anymore; I think you did have to order it by mail/online when they did have it.

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                          koshergourmetmart Nov 12, 2013 08:06 PM

                          not available any longer (sniff). was available mail order as well as pomegranate and kosher store in teaneck

                        2. re: AdinaA
                          bagelman01 Nov 11, 2013 10:45 AM

                          One of the New Haven vegetarian friendly stores (Edge of the Woods) with kosher supervision on certain departments used to stock it...
                          I used it occassionally, but wasn't impressed by the quality, just an ordinary commercial supermarket cheddar that happened to be kosher.

                2. Steve Green Nov 10, 2013 10:28 AM

                  You'd better turn off the auto-translator and transcribe those names correctly if you want to get anywhere. I seriously doubt that "Sao - Tz'adr obstetrician job escorts" is an actual cheese name. "Gabriel Cola" is likely "Gabriel Coulet". Your list is filled with gross errors.

                  Or is this just a spam post?

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                    AdinaA Nov 10, 2013 11:59 AM

                    But Koshergourmetmart's point is well taken. Cheese lovers like me drool when we're in a well-stocked kosher shop in Europe - all those lovely cheeses we are never offered in the U.S. Even a misspelled list makes my mouth water.

                    1. re: AdinaA
                      bagelman01 Nov 10, 2013 12:27 PM

                      I'm basically a carnivore, BUT would gladly spend those prices for quality cheeses I could serve with wine or cocktails at a social gathering in our home.
                      That said, I don't think a store could turn enough to stock more than about 8-10 choices...AND that store would have to be on the upper West Side, Riverdale, Midwood, East Flatbush or Forest Hills...maybe Teacneck or Silver Springs

                      1. re: bagelman01
                        Delucacheesemonger Nov 10, 2013 02:14 PM

                        The store l worked for before Dean & Deluca in the Philadelphia suburbs had about 275 cheeses, at least half were over $ 25/lb and we did just fine.

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                          avitrek Nov 10, 2013 03:17 PM

                          The kosher market is much smaller than the general market. There just aren't enough kosher foodies to be sure you can justify carrying the cheese, which is why koshergourmetmart asked the question.

                          1. re: Delucacheesemonger
                            bagelman01 Nov 10, 2013 03:43 PM

                            apples and oranges.......................

                            see previous thread on this board about Jews (kosher keeping) not liking cheese

                            1. re: bagelman01
                              Delucacheesemonger Nov 10, 2013 05:10 PM

                              Does this thread imply that cheesemakers, as Gabriel Coulet's Roquefort, make a kosher version in addition to the regular version ?

                              1. re: Delucacheesemonger
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                                koshergourmetmart Nov 10, 2013 05:35 PM

                                yes-it is a special run that I only found in israel

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                                  ganeden Nov 12, 2013 06:55 PM

                                  And only at Bashar.

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                                    koshergourmetmart Nov 12, 2013 08:05 PM

                                    yup. have you been? would you buy any of his cheeses here?

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                                      ganeden Nov 13, 2013 07:55 PM

                                      I wouldn't buy any of his cheeses there, much less here. And not because I don't love excellent cheese.

                                2. re: Delucacheesemonger
                                  bagelman01 Nov 10, 2013 05:39 PM

                                  I don't know about that specific cheese, BUT a good number of artisinal and other cheesemakes make a special run under kosher supervision. This may involve, nothing more than the supervision, or require the complete shutdown and 'koshering' of the cheesemaking apparatus, different rennet, etc.
                                  It is common to find both kosher and non-kosher versions of the same food products

                                  For example, even in the US a main stream manufacturer such as Cabot used to do a kosher run at a set time. and when looking at the product label the kosher consumer could know whether or not the particular package was acceptable for kosher consumption.

                                  Even more involved, are the special kosher for Passover production runs. There are some cheeses that have a special run under kosher supervision for Passover and are then not available for the kosher market the rest of the year after it sells out. This doesn't only apply to cheese but other food products as well.

                                  1. re: bagelman01
                                    Delucacheesemonger Nov 11, 2013 05:52 AM

                                    Who knew ?, thanks

                        2. re: Steve Green
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                          koshergourmetmart Nov 10, 2013 05:33 PM

                          the cheese names are from basher's website and were auto translated by google. sorry about the spelling errors

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                          avitrek Nov 10, 2013 10:17 AM

                          For the top ones I could see spending $25/lb. I've spent that on parmigiano reggiano in the past. But I would doubt there is a market for all those cheeses at that price.

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