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Curious about butter in restaurants - leftover that is.

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millygirl Nov 10, 2013 08:17 AM

I've considered this before but last night really made me wonder.

We were having dinner at a nice little bistro last night and passing by the kitchen I happened to notice a tub of what was very obviously all the little pads of leftover butter that they put out with the bread basket.

As is common, the bread basket is served with a plate of butter curls and this restaurant gathers the leftovers to, I assume cook with.

I've wondered about this before, esp when you receive a ramkin filled with butter and sometimes is hardly touched.

I can appreciate that it would be quite wasteful and expensive to throw it out but it also does not sit well with me.

Is this a common thing in restaurants??

I suppose worse things have been known to occur behind the scenes but is this an acceptable practice to you?

  1. Gastronomos Nov 19, 2013 02:08 AM

    when i worked in the restaurant business, the butter was collected and used for cooking.

    That was the good part. the bad we couldn't show here. it is MUCH worse than you can imagine, let alone have "not sit well with" you...

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      acssss Nov 19, 2013 12:41 AM

      While I would imagine that fancy restaurants don't use these types of methods, I would be very surprised if most family restaurants, especially chains, don't do this and much worse.

      1. greygarious Nov 17, 2013 11:56 AM

        What a shame that they throw out perfectly usable food like that! As long as kitchen staff washes their hands according to regulations, I would have no qualms about eating the unused butter as is, and am confident that cooking with it is totally safe. Ridiculous germaphobia like this is a not insignificant factor in the first world's garbage disposal and recycling failures.

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          Puffin3 Nov 19, 2013 12:07 AM

          Warning! If you ever want to eat in a restaurant again do not watch this video.
          You could go into pretty much any restaurant on the planet with this 'light' and you'd come staggering out holding your stomach.
          Now compare the seemingly spotless restaurant kitchens like we see on some cooking/restaurant 'reality' shows with what you just know is the condition of some, shall we say, 'less than focused on basic hygiene' restaurant kitchens we eat food from.
          Imagine what the 'light' would show.
          Sure, we as humans have evolved to fight off 'bad bugs'. But man did not 'evolve' to go into an unfamiliar place to eat food among strangers prepared by strangers who may have brought bacteria/ pathogens from the other side of the globe.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfCbed...

          Same as humans did not evolve eyes/brains which are capable of processing millions of bits of information a second while attempting to control a machine moving at a hundred miles an hour. Humans only moved as fast as they could run or a horse could run under them for centuries. Now in a hundred years we are expecting our brains to adapt to ............anyway. This is for a different forum.

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          clamchowderrlambchop Nov 17, 2013 04:21 AM

          I lived in England for a few years in the 80's (military wife). My mother & aunt came to visit and we took them out for lunch at a local pub/eatery. When our lunch came, the waitress asked if we were done with the bread basket. We were, so she picked it up and put on a table of people who had just come in. My mother was in shock!

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            foodieop Nov 16, 2013 03:34 AM

            I have been in the restaurant business for over 20 years, and I have seen butter recycled, bread rolls reissued if not all eaten, anything "all you can eat" that is not finished, reserved. It is a dirty nasty business for the most part. Now when dining out I choose my restaurants carefully, because I know what can go on in some.

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              Steve Green Nov 16, 2013 03:51 AM

              To quote from a Usenet sigfile, in a reference to certain Chinese restaurants: "All rice re-served"

            2. cronker Nov 14, 2013 08:24 AM

              Also, to add, butter is often collected in the scullery because it is not meant to be washed down the drain. It is supposed to be disposed of in the oil bin.
              Anyone ever had a grease trap explode in their restaurant? Not a pretty event.
              Often caused by fat solids, such as butter.

              1. cronker Nov 14, 2013 01:05 AM

                Been in restaurants my entire career, never seen butter recycled.

                1. Motosport Nov 11, 2013 03:22 AM

                  Seems like a shame not to use the unused butter in cooking. The heat would certainly kill any bacteria.
                  There is probably a health code that addresses this.

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                    GH1618 Nov 11, 2013 03:45 AM

                    Butter melts at below 100 °F. This is not high enough to kill pathogens, so if the butter is clarified, then just added to a cooked dish, as in the example I gave, it could be contaminated.

                  2. LotusRapper Nov 11, 2013 01:22 AM

                    Ugh, now I'm getting the heebeejeebees about butter in restaurants. Maybe I'll just stick with olive oil & balsamic ......

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                      millygirl Nov 11, 2013 03:25 AM

                      I know.....me too!!!

                      I considered asking the restaurant outright but did not feel comfortable doing this. And besides, would they even tell me, if in fact, they are re-using.

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                      treb Nov 10, 2013 10:50 PM

                      if the butter is not in a sealed package it must be tossed if it was served.

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                        Leslie Nov 11, 2013 03:03 AM

                        Are the salt and pepper shakers wiped between customers? The used cream pitchers dumped, cleaned and refilled? Maple syrup pitchers? How about ketchup and mustards?

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                          GH1618 Nov 11, 2013 03:41 AM

                          Most restaurants are pretty dirty places in this respect.

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                            raytamsgv Nov 14, 2013 04:58 AM

                            Salt and pepper are not perishable. Also, it's not too easy for customers to contaminate the salt and pepper inside of their containers.

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                              LotusRapper Nov 14, 2013 07:31 AM

                              I think she meant the exterior of the S&P shakers.

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                                raytamsgv Nov 15, 2013 04:36 AM

                                But people don't eat off the exterior of the shakers. Unless you eat food with your hands, you won't contaminate the food.

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                                  Leslie Nov 16, 2013 03:01 AM

                                  I do eat sandwiches with my hands. I've had the occasion to squeeze ketchup and a shake of salt from a contaminated shaker onto some fries in a restaurant and then use my fingers to eat them. I will pick up a roll with my hands. I actually am not icky about these things, but am pointing out that it's not just butter curls and if you're really concerned about germs, eat home. I do skip samples in food shops unless they're heavily supervised by an employee.

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                                    GH1618 Nov 16, 2013 03:26 AM

                                    Condiments on a restaurant table can easily spread viruses. The only reason few people get sick that way is because most people can deal with most viruses in the environment most of the time, and people tend to stay out of restaurants when they are really sick. But norovirus, for example, can be present for a few days after the infected person has seemingly recovered. If a restaurant employee or customer brings this virus into a restaurant a lot of people can become sick through the normal practices followed in almost any restaurant. This does happen from time to time, in which case it is necessary to close the restaurant and disinfect everything.

                          2. PotatoHouse Nov 10, 2013 09:46 PM

                            Can't swear to it, but what you may have seen was butter curls that were made the day before that were not served to customers so they were being used in the kitchen and fresh curls were made for that day.

                            1. Cherylptw Nov 10, 2013 10:53 AM

                              Not common in any restaurant I ever worked in....trashed.

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                                GH1618 Nov 10, 2013 06:58 AM

                                I don't know what the rules are today (or were then), but a restaurant I worked at 50 years ago used butter that came back from being served, it it appeared to have been untouched. The butter was served in pats, but not wrapped, on separate plates. Those that came back intact were put in a small stainless steel pan and set near the heat lamp that was kept on the prime rib. The resulting clarified butter was put on the rock lobster.

                                It's good from a recycling standpoint, but perhaps not from a sanitation standpoint. I'm not sure if bacteria can survive in melted butter. On balance I'm for it, but would not send butter out again to be served as fresh.

                                The wrapped pats are not much more sanitary than bare pats, I think, because the wrappers could have been touched or sneezed on.

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                                  sunshine842 Nov 10, 2013 08:16 AM

                                  but you're not going to lick or eat the wrappers....

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                                    Midlife Nov 10, 2013 10:33 AM

                                    Exactly.

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                                      GH1618 Nov 10, 2013 02:18 PM

                                      If the kitchen were to recycle wrapped pats of butter, they would have to be unwrapped. The handling of the wrapper could transfer bacteria to food.

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                                        sunshine842 Nov 10, 2013 08:55 PM

                                        what?!

                                        I'm pretty sure unopened (unsquashed, etc) pats of butter go right back into the bin...just like unused packets of ketchup, obviously unused napkins, and finger wipes.

                                        There's no way the residual value of the butter would be worth paying someone to stand there and open them all.

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                                          GH1618 Nov 11, 2013 02:52 AM

                                          Yes, I expect they do get re-served if they appear undamaged.

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                                            acgold7 Nov 16, 2013 03:47 PM

                                            We serve the foil-wrapped pats for customer use at our place. The moment they leave the kitchen they are considered gone by us. No matter how perfect they look on the table, once they leave the kitchen, they go into the trash if unused. No exceptions. Breaks my heart at the waste but I won't have it any other way.

                                            Tony Bourdain tells tales of places he's been where they not only re-use uneaten bread but strain cigarette butts and ashes out of the butter to re-use for cooking. Ick.

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                                              plaidbowtie Nov 16, 2013 05:21 PM

                                              wait, who's putting their cigarette out in the butter?

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                                                girloftheworld Nov 17, 2013 12:01 PM

                                                it is Tony Bordain telling the tale probally Frank Sanatria and Sammy Davis

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                                                eclecticsynergy Nov 16, 2013 07:00 PM

                                                In 2002 I was working in a place which was sold to a family who would happily take paper plates out of the garbage cans to reuse. They took pride (?) in saving a few cents wherever they could, and cut corners on electricity by not keeping the walk-in cooler cold enough. When meat began to stink, they would rinse it with bleach & water and use it anyway. I was speechless; at first I actually thought they were kidding me. All the longtime customers were lost immediately, and I shudder to think how many people may have been sickened.

                                                I didn't stay. The place was shuttered shortly afterward and frankly I'm surprised it took that long for the Health Department to close them down.

                                                Admittedly these folks had just moved here from a country where surgeons earn forty dollars a week.and water is too precious to use for bathing or handwashing, They had absolutely no idea how to run a modern restaurant. But they might have done just fine in the 1800s.

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                                                  hill food Nov 16, 2013 07:14 PM

                                                  wow eclectic - if only "Kitchen Nightmares" or "Restaurant Impossible" had heard of this place, the producers must be plotzing. bad.

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                                                  PotatoHouse Nov 17, 2013 11:10 AM

                                                  Anthony Bourdain is full of crap. He just make that BS up to sell his books.

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                                                    sedimental Nov 17, 2013 12:45 PM

                                                    Doubtful.

                                                    I have known many, many people that describe much worse "sanitary crimes" in restaurants. Not new information.

                                                    As far as cigarette butts, my local grocery store used to have the meat shop guys putting their smokes out in the ground beef (sold in the case). I asked one of them why he did that. He said "you just grill it anyway, what's a little more ash?"

                                                    People are just stupid sometimes.

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                                                      hill food Nov 17, 2013 02:27 PM

                                                      the old US grocery chain National allowed smoking in the stores since the CEO smoked. as a heavy smoker myself I found it deeply weird to see cigarette butts all over the floors (but never in the food - they usually had good quality food)

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                                        salsailsa Nov 10, 2013 06:05 AM

                                        Where I used to work, anything that went on the table went to the dish pit after and was discarded.

                                        1. bagelman01 Nov 10, 2013 05:34 AM

                                          the restaurant where my older daughter works weekends agthers the butter in a tub, and then it is dumped in the backyard dumpster reserved for fats and oils.

                                          The owners don't want it going into the buscarts because it has clogged up the wastelines in the dishroom too many times.

                                          1. Midlife Nov 10, 2013 02:47 AM

                                            Not sure it's the same everywhere, but re-use like that has to be a health code violation.

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                                              millygirl Nov 10, 2013 04:32 AM

                                              Yes, I am wondering about this myself.

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                                                Caroline1 Nov 19, 2013 12:52 AM

                                                If the butter is melted down into ghee (drawn butter) it would be nigh well onto impossible for any germs or such to survive the melt-down temperatures, but whether or not that is legal under all health laws is another matter.

                                                I too hate waste and I shamefully admit that when I go to places that serve the foil wrapped portions of butter, I smuggle them out with me when I leave, HOPING no one notices. '-)

                                                PS: I learned NOT to do that in the summertime here in Dallas the hard way. Damned stuff melts!

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                                                  sunshine842 Nov 19, 2013 02:17 AM

                                                  heeheehee -- ask me about the friend who decided to smuggle Irish butter back from Ireland in her bra. In a sandwich baggie (she's not that stupid) -- but yeah.

                                                  That sweater went into the garbage.

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                                                    hill food Nov 19, 2013 09:10 AM

                                                    if it went into the trash there must have been some mess, how did she explain the leakage? a recent mother lactating?

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                                                      sunshine842 Nov 19, 2013 10:13 AM

                                                      That's what scarves are for.

                                              2. Kajikit Nov 10, 2013 01:52 AM

                                                As far as I know they can't reuse it for customers unless it's those little individually wrapped patties in foil.

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