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need great manhattan german restaurant

redgirl Nov 6, 2013 02:58 PM

i'd like to make reservations for a great german restaurant for a dinner of 7 people a few nights before xmas. 4 of the group are becoming dual citizens - usa and germany - (the german is the pickup citizenship - a program that allows families who had to leave due to nazi persecution to have german citizenship and keep their us citzenship. tmi perhaps). anyway, we thought a big fun festive german meal would be just the ticket. the last time i went to a german restaurant in manhattan, they were all up on east 86th street and i think that whole scene is lonnnnnnnnnnnnnng gone.

suggestions and comments appreciated.

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  1. ellenost RE: redgirl Nov 6, 2013 03:03 PM

    Heidelberg is still on Second Ave. & 86th Street. It's a "good" restaurant.

    1. Ttrockwood RE: redgirl Nov 6, 2013 03:25 PM

      That time of year Rolf's would be fun, they do crazy over the top xmas decorations:

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        debinqueens RE: Ttrockwood Nov 6, 2013 04:21 PM

        rolf's is fun and festive. i'd recommend loreley on the basis of food alone, though.

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        small h RE: redgirl Nov 6, 2013 04:02 PM

        Zum Schneider gets raves from some of my friends (I've only had drinks there). They usually only take reservations for 10 or more, but maybe they'd make an exception for your party.


        I like Loreley quite a bit.


        And I like Cafe Katja even more. But it's Austrian. Dunno if that's a dealbreaker.


        1. linguafood RE: redgirl Nov 6, 2013 04:39 PM

          How about Blaue Gans? Another Austrian, but.... well, the cuisines are pretty damn close.

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            ellenost RE: linguafood Nov 6, 2013 07:03 PM

            If the OP will consider Austrian cuisine, I recommend both Wallse and Seasonal.

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              foodwhisperer RE: ellenost Nov 7, 2013 09:56 PM

              Wallse has great Austrian food, but far from festive. It is kind of stuffy actually. But Blau Gans their other more casual restaurant is more festive.
              Probably better off going to Queens to Zum Stammtisch.
              Maybe the beer garden at the Standard for beers.
              Ideal used to be my favorite , inexpensive German restaurant on 86th St. The one-eyed chef was the best.

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            thegforceny RE: redgirl Nov 6, 2013 07:07 PM

            There are no good German restaurants in Manhattan. None. Posters seem to be recommending just to recommend the only German places they know of. They are crappy (like REALLY crappy -- Heidelberg and Rolf's especially are close to inedible) The other posts are searching for the 3 Austrian restaurants. The latter are fine, but well, they're Austrian. Wallse best of the three IMO.

            If we're going German-influenced, then go Alsatian, and the only GOOD option is The Modern. GOOD FOOD, sincerely.

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              Bob Martinez RE: thegforceny Nov 6, 2013 08:50 PM

              I was with you right up to the point where you mentioned the Modern. Here's a link to the menu at The Modern. Could you point out the German dishes?


              Perhaps you mean the Bar Room at the Modern. Here's their menu. Please point out the German selections.


              No, 5 or 6 Alsatian dishes in a menu with 70 something selections doesn't make it a German restaurant.

              I'd recommend the Austrian places instead.

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                thegforceny RE: Bob Martinez Nov 6, 2013 09:12 PM

                Fair enough. I was thinking more of the Alsatian's chef "influence" I guess. That Tarte Flambee in the Bar Room is just delicious FWIW. It gets smaller and smaller though :(

                But you did get my point in response to the OP.

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                  Bob Martinez RE: thegforceny Nov 7, 2013 06:39 AM

                  Oh yeah, I definitely agree with you. Manhattan is not a great place for eating German.

            2. ipsedixit RE: redgirl Nov 6, 2013 07:23 PM

              How about Seasonal?

              Not German per se, but Austrian ...

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                mushroomaffairs RE: redgirl Nov 6, 2013 10:14 PM

                I went to a biergarten in Astoria a few years ago after the US Open that served sausage, kraut, etc. I don't drink beer but it was fun and very crowded. Maybe you could look into those kinds of places instead of formal restaurants. Some of the taverns and pubs in the financial district serve German style dishes or have meatcentric and beer menus like The Growler, not exactly German but if your friends are turning 1/2 American, why not? :). I think going to that area to celebrate would be a great idea since that part of lower Manhattan is so colonial.

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                  UES Mayor RE: redgirl Nov 7, 2013 03:59 AM

                  Have you considered maybe doing Chinese?

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                    nycgenki RE: redgirl Nov 7, 2013 12:17 PM

                    Sorry but I would say you need to travel out to Zum Stamticsh in Queens for anything approaching decent German food here.

                    1. JungMann RE: redgirl Nov 8, 2013 07:33 AM

                      I regularly return to Lederhosen not just for the food, but particularly for the warm and welcoming atmosphere, the Gem├╝tlichkeit that the owners bring to the place.

                      Generally speaking, though, I think thegforceny is telling the truth about the state of German food in Manhattan. No one goes to Rolf's to eat. They pack the bar to ogle the Christmas decorations. I have to think the only reason Heidelberg still exists is tourists nostalgic for the neighborhood's German past. The other two restaurants which got mention (Loreley and Zum Schneider) are more of a bar scene. The food is fine, but the noise can border on deafening at Zum Schneider.

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                        Bsaltman RE: redgirl Nov 8, 2013 09:16 AM

                        How about Doma Na Rohu? It's Czech, officially, but has that old-world, cozy delightfulness to die for and the food is AWESOME! It's in the west village...highly recommend.


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