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Do I keep this 9qt French Oven?

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Kleraudio Nov 3, 2013 09:46 PM

I got this as a gift but not sure what I'll use it for. I already have a LC Dutch oven that I use for braising.

I believe this one was coined as a risotto pot, but I'll NEVER make risotto in this thing.

Here is what I received in the 9qt size:

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store...

Anyways, does this have a place in my kitchen if I already have a dutch oven that I use frequently?

EDIT: The dutch oven I have from LC is an Oval version if that matters :) Not sure of it's size but good for braising a few pounds of meat. Oh, and I usually only cook for the 2 of us, sometimes 4 if we have people over. 9 QT seems like overkill.... but what do I know?!!

Thanks!!

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  1. Chemicalkinetics RE: Kleraudio Nov 3, 2013 10:23 PM

    < 9 QT seems like overkill.... but what do I know?!!>

    Obviously, only you know the right answer. For me, it would be too big. I think a 6 quarts pot is as large as you will normally need. Unless, of course, you want to make a large pot of stock or boil a couple of lobsters....etc.

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      Kleraudio RE: Chemicalkinetics Nov 3, 2013 10:58 PM

      Thanks once again Chem!

      You've been a big help this past week!

    2. Sid Post RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 05:10 AM

      9 quarts seems awfully big for a small family. I could see using one at a rural hog killing or something similar but, to be honest I think that is too large for normal residential use. I have a 12 quart stock pot I use once or twice a year that now sits in a barn to be dusted off on those rare occasions I need it.

      Since this was a gift, how about taking it back for a couple of smaller more useful pieces?

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        rasputina RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 06:18 AM

        Well I'd keep it, but then my 7 1/4 is my most used LC. I just made a batch of chili in it with only 2 pounds of meat and the pot was full. The 9 qt would have given me a little more room when stirring.

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          mikie RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 07:15 AM

          I'd keep it, but then I own an 8.75 qt. Staub cocotte. We tend to make large batches that we can freeze and heat up another day. We also have times when the entire family is at our house and for those times the roughly 9 qt. is essential. As was mentioned by Rasputina, two lbs. of meat goes a long way. I can't tell you the number of times my wife started out with our mid sized Staub and ended up transfering the ingredients to the larger cocotte. I make a mean Italian beef stew that fills the cocotte to the rim. I guess I could cut the recipe in half, but it's great to have this larger vessel for the occasions when 5 or 6 quarts just isn't enough.

          I think it's a lot easier to hang on to this one, than to justify the purchase in the future, this way you already have it when you need it, and you will be amazed at how many times you use it.

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            thedryer RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 07:37 AM

            What a wonderful gift! I'd keep it too. Like Mikie said, it's easier to keep it and know you have it vs. justifying buying it yourself. Enjoy!

            1. wekick RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 08:11 AM

              If it is the risotto pot It is wider than the Dutch oven. I have one and use it alot. My sister has one too and loves it. It really depends on how you cook though. Because it is wider it has a little more area if you are browning meat for a braise or something else. Liquids will also reduce a little faster.
              We are both empty nesters but have family dinners with 5-30 depending on who shows up. I tend to make pots of chili, soups and stews. Also great for pot roasts and other one pot meals.

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                Kleraudio RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 08:22 AM

                Interesting stuff. The thing is I've had it a year. It's still in the box and I know I can exchange it. I've not touched it in a year. I doubt I'll start now.

                But then again, it's such a nice piece.

                Was thinking of exchanging it for a couple all clad pieces I know I'll use a lot like a sauté pan and a sauce pan.

                Decisions decisions....

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                  INDIANRIVERFL RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 08:38 AM

                  No use in a year? Definitely time to recycle.

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                  mwhitmore RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 09:18 AM

                  Wicked big and heavy. Great stockpot, but a lighter one works just as well. Do you deep-fry on the stove-top? I might use it for a potted plant!

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                    Kleraudio RE: mwhitmore Nov 4, 2013 09:40 AM

                    Haha, that's one expensive pot!

                    I very rarely deep fry here. The vegetable oil makes my place stink for days and shortening, which doesn't smell at all, is just too expensive for one cook. In the few times I've deep fried, I never save the oil. It's just to extreme of a hassle to strain it multiple times so I can store it and never use it!

                    I think I'll recycle it and get pieces I'll actually use. I'll consider the new pieces a gift as well :)

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                      mikie RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 10:25 AM

                      Because you stated it was a gift, one last caution. It was a very gererous gift, so I'd guess it's from someone that you know extremely well. Perhaps someone who might visit your home, or may be invited for dinner. Is aunt Millie likely to wonder how you like your LC Dutch oven? Would aunt Millie's feelings be hurt if you told her you returned it for different cookware? Just something you need to ask yourself.

                      I remember a time when my Dad bought my Mother something he thought she would really like, she took it back to the store, that was the last time he bought her a present. I never really thought he was a sensitive kind of guy, but it obviously hurt his feelings. So be careful with gifts and what you do with them.

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                        thedryer RE: mikie Nov 4, 2013 10:29 AM

                        Great advice, mikie!

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                          Chemicalkinetics RE: mikie Nov 4, 2013 10:43 AM

                          <Would aunt Millie's feelings be hurt if you told her you returned it for different cookware? Just something you need to ask yourself.>

                          Well, maybe something to consider, but you should keep something just for the sake of keeping something.

                          <my Dad bought my Mother something he thought she would really like, she took it back to the store,>

                          He bought her a vacuum cleaner, right?

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                            mikie RE: Chemicalkinetics Nov 4, 2013 02:24 PM

                            "He bought her a vacuum cleaner, right?"

                            Chem, if only that were the case, haha. My Mother was a collector of pewter items, he bought her a set of huricane candel lanterns. Quite an accomplishment for him actually. He would have been more inclined to buy a set of golf clubs or water skis, not that my Mother would have done either. That has probably made me more sensitive to the feelings of others when it comes to gifts.

                            If it were a weding gift and something from a friend of parents that you will likely never see again and definately won't have at your home, then I wouldn't have to think very long about it, but if it's a close friend or family member, then yes, I'd keep it for at least 20 years ;)

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                              Chemicalkinetics RE: mikie Nov 4, 2013 02:36 PM

                              <I wouldn't have to think very long about it, but if it's a close friend or family member, then yes, I'd keep it for at least 20 years ;)>

                              I just think that a close friend or family member would be more understanding. Sometime friends and family just do not know everything about you. It just seem so wasteful to keep something just so they can visit and see it. Returning it and getting something more useful seems to make more sense to me.

                              Anyway, I think "husband and wife" is a bit different, especially gifts for special occasions.

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                                mikie RE: Chemicalkinetics Nov 4, 2013 02:48 PM

                                Yes, husband and wife is very different. If anyone needs advice on how to make a spouse livid, I've got all the answers. And if I don't have the answer, I can ask my wife, she has some skills in that department as well. But, hay, I asked for a vacuum cleaner for my present. I even got to pick it out and order it. It was that or a flat screen TV, and what am I going to do with that?

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                                  Chemicalkinetics RE: mikie Nov 4, 2013 02:57 PM

                                  <But, hay, I asked for a vacuum cleaner for my present. I even got to pick it out and order it. It was that or a flat screen TV, and what am I going to do with that?>

                                  There is a difference between a man getting a vacuum cleaner for gift vs a woman getting a vacuum cleaner. I would love to get a Dyson vacuum cleaner for gift, or maybe one of those carpet cleaners too.

                                  I think this is because many men see vacuum cleaners as tools and toys, while many women see the vacuum cleaners as shackles.

                                  <It was that or a flat screen TV, and what am I going to do with that?>

                                  You don't have a flat screen TV? Are you still using a tube TV?

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                              Kleraudio RE: Chemicalkinetics Nov 4, 2013 02:24 PM

                              Lol at vacuum cleaner!

                              It was a wedding gift and I'm sure my buddy would rather I get something I'll really use!

                              Bed bath and beyond has great CS by the way! They took it back and I told them it was a rather long time ago that I got it.

                              I picked up a really nice chopping block and a 3qt all clad sauté pan! Two things I'll have for a long time to come hopefully and will get much more use than the LC 9qt. I am thinking about using the rest of the credit to get another French oven but in a smaller 5qt size.

                              I saw another brand of Enameled CI I forgot the name now but it was 99 bucks for the 5 qt round Dutch oven..... Anyone know what I'm talking about? Comparable to LC?

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                                mikie RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 02:33 PM

                                "I saw another brand of Enameled CI I forgot the name now but it was 99 bucks for the 5 qt round Dutch oven..... Anyone know what I'm talking about? Comparable to LC?"

                                My opinion, the only enameled cast iron that is comparable to LC is Staub (another French company). Lodge color is supposed to be fairly robust, but many of the others chip very easily. The Martha Stewart brand that Macy's carried had to be pulled from the shelves because of chipping issues. Naturally, there are always exceptions that someone will site, but if you look at the odds, they favor the two French manufacturers.

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                                  Chemicalkinetics RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 02:37 PM

                                  <I saw another brand of Enameled CI >

                                  Lodge?

                                  http://www.amazon.com/Lodge-Color-EC6...

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                                    Kleraudio RE: Chemicalkinetics Nov 4, 2013 03:59 PM

                                    Nah it wasn't lodge. It was made in France. I'll have to look it up when I get home.

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                                      Molly James RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 04:21 PM

                                      BBB carries Fontignac as their other ECI line. Both Fontignac and Staub are under the Zwilling umbrella. Staub probably does the manufacturing for the Fontignac brand.

                                      I've no personal experience with Fontignac, but Staub products are excellent.

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                                        Chemicalkinetics RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 04:34 PM

                                        Hmm.... let's us know the brand, maybe someone can share their opinions about this other brand.

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                                          Molly James RE: Chemicalkinetics Nov 4, 2013 05:14 PM

                                          Sorry, I wasn't clear. I edited my post to clarify 'Fontignac' brand.

                                          My local BB&B is tiny and they don't carry either LC or Fontignac. It was just last week that I first saw a Fontignac piece in person and that was as Tuesday Morning. The piece was a huge oval. Smooth iron. Nice, even color/glaze on the outside but it didn't appear (subjective, I know) to be as thick as the Staub and certainly not as 'flashy,' but it looked good. The interior looked just like my Staub's.

                                          The piece must have been in the 8 or 9 quart range and the price was $109. If I were in the market for something that large, I would seriously consider it.

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                                            Kleraudio RE: Molly James Nov 4, 2013 06:31 PM

                                            Yep that's the brand! Thanks for finding that.

                                            Anyone have any experience with that brand?

                                            The 5 qt Dutch oven looked really nice and only 99 bucks. I was considering a Calphalon tri ply Dutch oven for the same price.

                          2. Gastronomos RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 02:38 PM

                            I could use a 9 Qt for smaller stuff my 13 Qt is only 3/4 full for.

                            I'm on the east coast, Long Island, New York. I'll happily take it off your hands if you name your price.

                            :-)

                            Ciao!

                            1. kaleokahu RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 04:26 PM

                              Hi, Kleraudio:

                              Unless you: (a) entertain; (b) favor leftovers; or (c) don't have a stockpot, IMO 9Q is overkill cooking for 2-4.

                              I had one of these, hardly ever used it for anything but stock. Wahine toasted the enamel, and we tossed it. Haven't really missed it, to tell the truth. Since then, I've acquired a vintage thick copper oven of about the same capacity (for considerably less that the $350 this 9Q iron LC costs), but only really use it for entertaining--big batches of chowder, etc.

                              Aloha,
                              Kaleo

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                                alarash RE: kaleokahu Nov 4, 2013 08:24 PM

                                chowder!!

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                                  Kleraudio RE: kaleokahu Nov 4, 2013 09:31 PM

                                  Kaleo,

                                  Thanks for the reply :) Yea, I'm glad that I brought it back and BBB gave me a full store credit for it. I felt like a kid in a candy store! I got that 3Qt All Clad Saute pan and a really big and nice chopping block.

                                  I still have some leftover and was thinking that cast iron 5qt dutch oven.... but why get an enameled cast iron over a SS dutch oven? Still not sure why one is better than the other.

                                  And yea, even if I did favor leftovers, 9QT is WAAAYYY too much :)

                                  I have my Calphalon Contemporary nonstick stockpot in 8QT that I use for pasta and chili. The chili barely makes it halfway up that pot and we eat for 4 days!

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                                    Chemicalkinetics RE: Kleraudio Nov 5, 2013 05:24 AM

                                    <a full store credit for it. I felt like a kid in a candy store! I got that 3Qt All Clad Saute pan and a really big and nice chopping block.>

                                    Sound good.

                                    <I still have some leftover and was thinking that cast iron 5qt dutch oven.... but why get an enameled cast iron over a SS dutch oven?>

                                    Yeah, that is the big question, isn't it? A nice stainless dutch oven should have no problem doing what a nice enameled cast iron dutch oven can do. The stainless steel cladded one should heat evenly just as nicely if not betrer, and it is more durable (no chipping to be concern of). I suppose the only advantage of an enameled cast iron Dutch oven is that the enameled porcelain surface is even more inert, more non-reactive than stainless steel. However, you have to be a very unique and picky person to consider "stainless steel is too reactive for me".

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                                      sherrib RE: Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 07:29 AM

                                      Not sure how "unique and picky" I am, but I do tend to store leftovers in the fridge in my enameled cast iron. I'm not entirely sure if I would feel equally as comfortable doing that with stainless steel.

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                                  debbypo RE: Kleraudio Nov 4, 2013 09:33 PM

                                  I have a 9 quart LC and I love it. It's just dh and I at the moment and I often use it when I want leftover stew or chili or if I'm making a big pot of sauce to freeze some. Up to you of course but, to me it's an awesome gift.

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                                    chefwong RE: debbypo Nov 5, 2013 05:05 AM

                                    OT CH'ers but what are your MOST used common LC sizes in your routine.

                                    Depends what's on hand, but I do use the 9 to make a larger batch and then freeze up another 2 dinners worth. So if it's a late night back out with the munchkins, I always have something like chili, etc that I can defrost and it's easy peasy dinner prep.

                                    Next up, is the 6.5 qt, which get's the most use for everything else

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