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youareabunny Oct 30, 2013 08:50 AM

A North Dakota mom plans to give these out to some children, instead of candy


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    beevod Oct 30, 2013 08:52 AM

    I want to party with her.

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      HillJ Oct 30, 2013 08:58 AM

      Is she familiar with this concept: mischief night? And thanks to news reporting, she may experience it big time.

      A ND mom who made a pretty big assumption on national tv.

      14 Replies
      1. re: HillJ
        jrvedivici Oct 30, 2013 09:03 AM

        Hahahahahaha exactly what I was thinking, I think I know what house is going to get egged this year! (and rightly so in my opinion).

        1. re: jrvedivici
          HillJ Oct 30, 2013 09:07 AM

          Batshit (mvho) move.

          1. re: jrvedivici
            KailuaGirl Oct 31, 2013 11:18 AM

            I was thinking TP'd, then rained on (wet toilet paper is so hard to remove!), but egging works, too. Maybe both, egg the house and TP the car, trees, and shrubbery

          2. re: HillJ
            LindaWhit Oct 30, 2013 11:23 AM

            Exactly, HillJ. All the locals in ND know who she is, I'm sure. And if they don't? Once she gives out a few of these, they will! Perhaps Mischief Night in ND will be on November 1st.

            Really - why doesn't she just TURN OFF HER FRONT DOOR LIGHT and not answer the door? Moron.

            1. re: LindaWhit
              youareabunny Oct 30, 2013 11:33 AM

              She's performing a public service!

              1. re: youareabunny
                LindaWhit Oct 30, 2013 11:34 AM

                As would I be if I slapped this woman upside her head.

              2. re: LindaWhit
                DeppityDawg Oct 30, 2013 11:42 AM

                It sounds like she will be giving out candy to the thin kids who deserve it. And she genuinely wants to help the moderately obese children by humiliating them publicly and shaming their parents. Thanks to this woman, come November 1st we will finally be able to check America's childhood obesity problem off our to-do list once and for all. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

                1. re: DeppityDawg
                  LindaWhit Oct 30, 2013 11:44 AM

                  Exactly. The entire country is in her debt. She said on the radio interview:

                  In an interview with Y-94 Radio in Fargo, she explained her reasoning behind her letters.

                  "I just want to send a message to the parents of kids that are really overweight," she said. "I think it's just really irresponsible of parents to send them out looking for free candy just 'cause all the other kids are doing it."

                  Then SEND A LETTER TO EVERY HOUSE IN MOORHEAD, ND if you want to send a message to all parents. Shaming the kid is a bitchy, stupid move.

                  1. re: LindaWhit
                    C. Hamster Oct 31, 2013 06:12 AM

                    For the record, Moorhead is in Minnesota.

                    I think the dingbat in question lives in Fargo. North Dakota (as did I briefly as a child).

                    The Red river ( which flows north into Canada) divides them.

                    Geography lesson over. Please continue solving the nation's childhood obesity problem.

                    1. re: C. Hamster
                      LindaWhit Oct 31, 2013 06:25 AM

                      Ahh - sorry. Was going with her Fargo Moorehead, West Fargo comment in her letter.

                2. re: LindaWhit
                  C. Hamster Oct 31, 2013 06:08 AM

                  "All the locals in ND"

                  Hahaha! ND is pretty big.

                  think "All the locals in New England"

                  Thats a lot of locals with eggs, toilet paper and shaving cream (or maybe fat free cool whip)

                  1. re: C. Hamster
                    LindaWhit Oct 31, 2013 06:12 AM

                    Well, I kinda meant in her town. But I'd be fine with "all the locals in ND" papering and egging her house.

                    1. re: LindaWhit
                      DeppityDawg Oct 31, 2013 06:18 AM

                      What a waste! Save those eggs for your fat kids' second breakfast and fourthmeal.

                      1. re: DeppityDawg
                        LindaWhit Oct 31, 2013 06:26 AM

                        My "kids" don't get eggs. They're cats. :-P

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                small h Oct 30, 2013 09:03 AM

                If she's so desperate to make children hate her, why doesn't she just give out raisins?

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                1. re: small h
                  C. Hamster Oct 30, 2013 04:25 PM

                  Or diet pills ? :-)

                  1. re: C. Hamster
                    small h Oct 30, 2013 05:53 PM

                    But kids love dexedrine!

                    1. re: small h
                      Veggo Oct 30, 2013 06:03 PM

                      My hockey coach had us all eat dexedrine tablets before games. I didn't love it, and was not sure how it helped. I haven't heard the word since high school.

                2. linguafood Oct 30, 2013 09:27 AM

                  If I were the mom of one of these kids, I'd compose a reply, likely starting with C U Next Tuesday…..

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                  1. re: linguafood
                    jrvedivici Oct 30, 2013 10:28 AM

                    Wow....would have expected something a little harsher from you Lingua, but inviting her to meet with you next Tuesday once the Holiday and the weekend has passed is very reasonable of you.

                    1. re: jrvedivici
                      linguafood Oct 30, 2013 10:33 AM

                      You are funny.

                    2. re: linguafood
                      coney with everything Oct 31, 2013 05:00 AM

                      Dear Fat Letter lady

                      This is to inform you that in my opinion you are a douche. I know my kid is overweight but perhaps no one has had the stones to tell you how unpleasantly judgemental you are.

                      Please seek help

                      Signed, Everyone

                    3. Veggo Oct 30, 2013 09:32 AM

                      I gong the note, but she could give gallons of bottled water to the fat kids to drag along the rest of the evening and shuck a few calories.

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                        HillJ Oct 30, 2013 09:35 AM

                        You have to wonder why HER message was pulled for national tv and why the reporters thought this was worthwhile reporting the day before Halloween-shock and awe?

                        Talk about a buzzkill.

                        Really turns me off.

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                        1. re: HillJ
                          jrvedivici Oct 30, 2013 10:30 AM

                          Actually you bring up a good point, if the letter is suppose to be given out on Halloween, how did the media and radio station get a copy? She must have sent out some kind of "press release" of her intention.

                          I have to wonder if she has children herself, my gut tells me no.

                          1. re: jrvedivici
                            HillJ Oct 30, 2013 10:49 AM

                            She might be the only person on her block with no children (who knows) but now she's the only person on her block with a big fat Letter H on her door.

                            1. re: HillJ
                              nofunlatte Oct 30, 2013 02:56 PM

                              I think it's the scarlet letter "A". For Asshole.

                              BTW, I have no children. And I'm giving out Snickers to all kids.

                            2. re: jrvedivici
                              NE_Wombat Oct 30, 2013 01:06 PM

                              She called a local radio station "out of the blue" to explain what she was going to do.

                              Flyers like that have been known to catch fire. It'd be too bad if something happened.

                              1. re: jrvedivici
                                C. Hamster Oct 31, 2013 06:16 AM

                                There's not a lot happening in Fargo. They probably don't have an Olive Garden like in Grand Forks.

                                She was bored ....

                                1. re: C. Hamster
                                  salsailsa Oct 31, 2013 07:48 AM

                                  Actually Fargo is far more interesting than Grand Forks.

                                  I think Grand Forks only really flourishes due to trans border shopping.

                                  1. re: salsailsa
                                    C. Hamster Oct 31, 2013 08:45 AM

                                    That and the Olive Garden.

                              2. re: HillJ
                                chowser Oct 31, 2013 05:54 PM

                                I thought the same thing. This is just a person who is seeking to make the news and the news stations fell for it hook, line and sinker.

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                                rasputina Oct 30, 2013 10:09 AM

                                I hope is prepared for the fall out.

                                1. Firegoat Oct 30, 2013 10:31 AM

                                  I wish I owned a toilet paper and egg store nearby..... location, location location....

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                                    acgold7 Oct 30, 2013 10:33 AM

                                    Typical passive aggressive behavior, not only addressing the note to the parents but giving it to the kids, but also refusing to put her name on it...

                                    ...and I say this as a confirmed Halloween and Candy hater, who makes his kids donate nearly all their candy the moment they get home.

                                    1. pinehurst Oct 30, 2013 10:33 AM

                                      There isn't enough toilet paper on the planet...

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                                      1. re: pinehurst
                                        jrvedivici Oct 30, 2013 11:29 AM

                                        No but there's plenty of shit.

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                                        rochfood Oct 30, 2013 11:32 AM

                                        Let's see a picture of her physique and face. Then we can judge her.
                                        Seriously..if you can't participate 'normally" in the social constructs of trick or treating..then just turn your light out and don't answer the door.

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                                          miss_belle Oct 30, 2013 11:57 AM

                                          Well, obviously I don't agree with what she planned to do. Notice past tense. I'll bet she won't now. But these social media/network news witch hunts are a huge turnoff for me.

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                                          1. re: miss_belle
                                            HillJ Oct 30, 2013 12:10 PM

                                            And with all do respect miss b, so is grabbing the limelight in the name of soul saving when no one asked you.

                                            I give it a few more days of spin, sticking by her guns and then the brief apology for upsetting people and putting a negative light on her home state.

                                            THINK it through is the lacking emotion here. Too many folks are way too quick to offer up their LiFE for a few mins of tv air.

                                            1. re: HillJ
                                              chowser Oct 31, 2013 05:56 PM

                                              Yeah, she'll end up on the airways, play it up and make some money. It's sad that celebrity is so easy these days because people go out of their way to do really stupid things.

                                            2. re: miss_belle
                                              chowser Oct 31, 2013 05:55 PM

                                              She must have contacted them, or else how would they have found out ahead of time?

                                            3. jw615 Oct 30, 2013 01:13 PM

                                              So, would it be appropriate to respond with a letter that says:

                                              You, in my opinion, are an asshole, and should not be interacting with the public or children to the extent of some people this Halloween.

                                              You cannot judge a person just by looking at them. I was small child, but in the past two years started a medication that makes me retain extreme amounts of water as well as making it very easy to gain weight. I'm definitely on the chunky side, and while I am an adult, I don't really see how it is any of anyone's business.

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                                              1. re: jw615
                                                linguafood Oct 30, 2013 01:15 PM

                                                Mine cuts to the chase a bit quicker.

                                                1. re: linguafood
                                                  jrvedivici Oct 30, 2013 01:17 PM

                                                  Maybe you can invite Jw to your sit down with the lady next Tuesday! C u next Thread!

                                              2. Gastronomos Oct 30, 2013 03:02 PM


                                                1. drongo Oct 30, 2013 04:21 PM

                                                  I don't think she ever really intended to hand out the letter... she just wanted to make her point on the radio.

                                                  Though by getting this message publicized she's already caused harm.

                                                  We can't blame a once-a-year event for obesity.

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                                                  1. re: drongo
                                                    DeppityDawg Oct 30, 2013 04:34 PM

                                                    Well, if she doesn't actually go through with it, then I don't see what harm she has caused (except maybe to her own reputation). She hasn't ruined anyone's Halloween yet.

                                                    1. re: DeppityDawg
                                                      drongo Oct 31, 2013 03:52 PM

                                                      I was thinking that by publicizing her point of view, she's already made some overweight people feel bad. But I agree with you. She hasn't personally humiliated any individual kid yet.

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                                                    GH1618 Oct 30, 2013 06:14 PM

                                                    I think the tradition of collecting a bagful of candy at Halloween is irresponsible for all children, not merely those she thinks are overweight.

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                                                    1. re: GH1618
                                                      Veggo Oct 30, 2013 06:19 PM

                                                      Really? When I was of age I used to map out about a 4 mile route, and later stock up my tree house, underground fort, and radio shack, two of which my parents had no knowledge of. My really big fort my father burned down. It was very cool and it had a dungeon. I was 10.

                                                      1. re: Veggo
                                                        LindaWhit Oct 30, 2013 06:22 PM

                                                        And none of these plastic pumpkins for candy. We used PILLOWCASES. We stayed out from 6:00 to 9:30 pm or so (depending on our age). And then dumping everything out on the bed to trade with your brother and sister.

                                                        A fine tradition, IMO.

                                                        1. re: LindaWhit
                                                          bonoeuf Oct 31, 2013 06:14 AM

                                                          I'm not sure the "sort and trade" part of the night wasn't as exciting as trick or treating!
                                                          Treasure-filled pillowcases. Loved it!

                                                          1. re: bonoeuf
                                                            LindaWhit Oct 31, 2013 06:27 AM

                                                            It was better, bonoeuf! You (hopefully) got to stock up on the stuff you really liked, depending on your bartering skills. My older brother was a tough nut to crack, but my younger sister was easy-peasy. ;-)

                                                          2. re: LindaWhit
                                                            C. Hamster Oct 31, 2013 06:20 AM

                                                            That's EXACTLY what we did!

                                                            1. re: LindaWhit
                                                              KailuaGirl Oct 31, 2013 11:33 AM

                                                              Back in the early to mid 60's, when I was trick or treating in Boulder, Colorado, there was a house that made a witches' lair out of the garage, complete with steaming black cauldron of apple cider. This was well before the Tylenol scare, urban legends about razor blades in apples (remember getting caramel or cinnamon apples?), etc. so all the kids went there to warm up and have a hot drink as they wandered the neighborhood. Some of us made several stops.

                                                              1. re: KailuaGirl
                                                                sandylc Oct 31, 2013 05:48 PM

                                                                About twenty years ago, a house in my neighborhood handed out cocktails in paper cups to the parents.

                                                                1. re: sandylc
                                                                  sunshine842 Nov 1, 2013 07:31 PM

                                                                  when I was in college, we went trick-or-treating with shot glasses. On foot, of course.

                                                                  1. re: sandylc
                                                                    scubadoo97 Nov 9, 2013 06:51 AM

                                                                    I like that idea

                                                                    Liability concerns were much less then

                                                                2. re: LindaWhit
                                                                  fracklefoodie Oct 31, 2013 01:29 PM

                                                                  Same here! Loved it. I was the only one in my family who loved chocolate and coconut, so all the Almond Joys and Mounds for me. My brothers got the peanutty candies in trade. Good times.

                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                    sandylc Oct 31, 2013 05:41 PM

                                                                    We used the plastic pumpkins. As soon as I got home I dumped everything out and sorted it according to chocolate (yum) and non-chocolate (yuk) - !

                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                      ratgirlagogo Nov 10, 2013 09:08 AM

                                                                      You only needed ONE pillowcase??!! Geez, you guys were posers.

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                                                                  Daisy.G Oct 30, 2013 08:30 PM

                                                                  Why doesn't she just tie a full-size Snickers to a string and suspend it high above the door, and entice the "moderately-obese" to jump for it. Give 'em a little exercise.

                                                                  Or, you know, she could try not being a raging bitch to kids who are just out to have a fun night. Either way works.

                                                                  1. tcamp Oct 31, 2013 05:40 AM

                                                                    For my kids, the holiday is about roaming around in costume. The candy is sort of a side benefit. I'm all for sound childhood nutrition but I wouldn't take her approach.

                                                                    If ND mom wants to opt out, turn out the porch light like everyone else who wants out. If she feels strongly about healthy snacks, give pretzels, raisins, or little water bottles. I snag those from my kids' bags and use them up.

                                                                    1. John E. Oct 31, 2013 11:42 AM

                                                                      Take this post with the jocularity that is intended.....

                                                                      You guys are all suckers.

                                                                      It was a radio bit.

                                                                      Last year about this time, the same lady called the station because she could not get the highway department to move a deer crossing sign from a busy intersection. She thought it would make more sense to have the deer cross at a less busy location. That also got some national media attention.

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                                                                      1. re: John E.
                                                                        HillJ Oct 31, 2013 12:01 PM

                                                                        Perhaps John E. but if this was a radio bit carried off by the same woman then it was picked up by national news broadcasts as noise worth repeating over & over again. Some media attention? Every major news channel ran it.

                                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                                          John E. Oct 31, 2013 12:59 PM


                                                                        2. re: John E.
                                                                          The Dairy Queen Nov 1, 2013 01:09 PM

                                                                          HAHA! I fell for it.


                                                                          1. re: John E.
                                                                            ratgirlagogo Nov 10, 2013 09:11 AM

                                                                            Ha! I heard, well saw, the bit with the deer crossing on World's Dumbest and I didn't realize that was a bit either. I'm glad to know that North Dakota has it's own Alan Abel. Great hoaxing.

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                                                                            INDIANRIVERFL Oct 31, 2013 11:57 AM

                                                                            Should we maintain standards and advocate free range eggs? Or should we allow the use of factory farm eggs? Hope the local stores have plenty of soap and eggs on hand.

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                                                                              Pookipichu Oct 31, 2013 12:40 PM

                                                                              At fear of being lynched, I don't think that letter is so bad. She's one person, stating her opinion and refraining from giving out free candy.

                                                                              First of all, you don't have to take the letter. Secondly, you don't have to read it or agree with it. Thirdly, I've never been easy with the idea of raising kids to expect free candy from strangers. If they get candy, it's something to be grateful for, not something to be expected as a right.

                                                                              Lastly, there IS an obesity epidemic in this country. Harvard School of Public Healthy reports that since 1980, obesity rates for children have went from 5% to 18%. What better day to bring attention to childhood obesity than a day that children gorge on candy. It's a conversation starter. It's a better conversation starter than a doctor telling you your child has type II diabetes. I'm not saying the letter is sensitive, nor would I give out letters to trick or treaters. But I don't think what she is doing merits the vitriol directed at her.

                                                                              Perhaps because in China, there is no Halloween or day of candy, there is however a delightful day of money in red envelopes and the sweet pastries of youth were as sweet as beans, literally.

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                                                                              1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                HillJ Oct 31, 2013 12:51 PM

                                                                                Interesting observation to say the least. I don't find any relation to how much this news piece annoyed me turned on your perspective but I can certainly accept that we don't all share the same point of view.

                                                                                Where I live (NJ) Halloween is a silly, pleasant, fun and child-loving celebration. We aren't talking about how/if/what other countries do to enjoy dressing up in costumes and going trick or treating. We are responding to one lady (that is true) who took her obesity epidemic beliefs to the news and ran with it the week of Halloween to do what exactly? Stop consumers from buying candy? Stop parents from buying or making Halloween costumes? Stop town parades? Stop the fun???

                                                                                She's one lady giving out her opinion unsolicited over ONE day in a child's life to have fun. If you don't celebrate Halloween, answer the doorbell or enjoy the day you don't participate....what you don't need to do is go on the radio and shake your finger at everyone else....unless you're willing to have a few fingers shaking back at you.

                                                                                1. re: HillJ
                                                                                  Pookipichu Oct 31, 2013 01:00 PM

                                                                                  Shaking a finger is different than saying she should be egged, slapped, or her property defaced. Like I said, I don't raise children to expect candy from strangers, but I do teach them to be grateful for kindness and to be kind even to those who may not be kind themselves..

                                                                                  You have fond memories of Halloween, I understand that. I'm saying her letter does not seem so bad or even inappropriate as some would make it. When you were a child, we did not have a child obesity epidemic. Times change, I see it all the time and we must adapt. I still remember saying "What is internet?".

                                                                                  1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                    HillJ Oct 31, 2013 01:07 PM

                                                                                    Sure, I recall when my family asked me what I needed email for. Now they can't stop. But that's not the same thing, Pook. That's personal choice. Once you start stepping on the personal choices of other people it changes intent.

                                                                                    She doesn't want her kids celebrating Halloween for the benefit of their health, as a Mother that's her privilege. Trust me her kids will be very disappointed, but she's the parent. However, telling an audience to reconsider Halloween???? No, she went too far. And if you think the reaction is also over the top...then ok. But I believe both reactions are equal here.

                                                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                                                      Pookipichu Oct 31, 2013 01:15 PM

                                                                                      That's where we differ in opinion. While I would not hand out letters to children such as hers, she's not taking away anyone's personal choice. There is no right to candy from her. Even if she went door to door telling people to reconsider Halloween, she is not taking away personal choice. Saying that she or her property should be physically attacked is not an equal reaction to her letter. The level of distaste for her contrasts sharply against the level of tolerance for offensive behavior that I find much more ugly such as abusing the political system for personal financial gain... not to get back into our income inequality discussion. ;)

                                                                                      1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                        HillJ Oct 31, 2013 01:18 PM

                                                                                        Ha! I thought we make great strides over on that thread! I enjoyed every minute of THAT debate, :)

                                                                                        She's suggesting what their personal choice should be on national news. I can't imagine doing it. What are her credentials here? People do get intolerant over what they find offensive.

                                                                                        So yes we disagree on the level of distaste. CANDY takes much better!

                                                                                        1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                          linguafood Oct 31, 2013 01:39 PM

                                                                                          "Saying that she or her property should be physically attacked is not an equal reaction to her letter."

                                                                                          You *are* familiar with the concept of Trick or Treat, right? Right????

                                                                                          People get their houses egged and trees toilet-papered for all kinds of reason. Nobody is setting the house on fire.

                                                                                          1. re: linguafood
                                                                                            Pookipichu Oct 31, 2013 01:42 PM

                                                                                            Aren't you German??? Shouldn't you be supporting me on this ;) I don't recall Halloween being in Europe.

                                                                                            1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                              linguafood Oct 31, 2013 01:46 PM

                                                                                              Yes, I am German. I grew up surrounded by Americans, however, and would say that Halloween was, hands down, my favorite holiday of the year: the perfect combo of St. Martin (going door to door for candy, although we were actually expected to sing songs for that -- which we did, of course) and Karneval (dressing up in costume).

                                                                                              The only thing Halloween is lacking is bonfires. But ya can't have it all.

                                                                                              1. re: linguafood
                                                                                                Pookipichu Oct 31, 2013 03:23 PM

                                                                                                Who needs bonfires when you have this much heat? I can't say that Halloween isn't one of the more lively and festive American traditions.


                                                                                                1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                                  linguafood Oct 31, 2013 03:44 PM

                                                                                                  That is one awesome costume!!!

                                                                                                  1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                                    HillJ Oct 31, 2013 03:48 PM

                                                                                                    Now you're getting in the spirit!

                                                                                              2. re: linguafood
                                                                                                jrvedivici Oct 31, 2013 01:46 PM

                                                                                                "Nobody is setting the house on fire."

                                                                                                Shit we're not? I didn't get that memo!!

                                                                                                WTF am I going to do with these matches and gasoline now?

                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                  linguafood Oct 31, 2013 01:50 PM

                                                                                                  Burn down each and every Barilla factory you can find.

                                                                                                  I kid, I kid. Really :-D

                                                                                          2. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                            sockii Nov 5, 2013 09:19 AM

                                                                                            "When you were a child, we did not have a child obesity epidemic."

                                                                                            When I was a child, I knew full well that I was considered overweight.

                                                                                            I was teased about it constantly by classmates.

                                                                                            I was the one always picked last for sports teams.

                                                                                            I was the one who heard it all the time from my parents even as they fed me the food that was making me fat.

                                                                                            I was the one who put herself on a starvation diet the summer before I entered high school so I could finally "show them all" how much I changed. And guess what? I was still treated like "the fat kid". I've struggled with that label and that feeling for the rest of my life, some thirty-odd years now since then.

                                                                                            I'm the one who ended up doing weight watchers, lost a ton of weight and had to stop when I was starting to develop an eating disorder.

                                                                                            I KNEW. I didn't need some random stranger passing judgement on me. I didn't need someone who had no idea of my life, my health, what I was or wasn't doing about it, to hand me a letter and determine that only the "skinny kids" would get candy while I would continue to get shamed every where I turned.

                                                                                            1. re: sockii
                                                                                              HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:23 AM

                                                                                              When did society begin believing that if you're thin you're assumed healthy? Hospitals are filled with thin people struggling with health issues. Makes me crazy.

                                                                                              1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                chowser Nov 5, 2013 09:26 AM

                                                                                                This is a pet peeve of mine, too, and the problem w/ the war on obesity. There was a segment on a talk show (I can't remember which because I just saw the excerpt) where they brought out two women, same height/weight, both healthy range. One worked out/ate well, the other didn't. The second one was overfat and unhealthy, despite appearance. I know far too many overfat, healthy weight, unhealthy individuals. It's called sarcopenia.

                                                                                        2. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                          John E. Oct 31, 2013 01:02 PM

                                                                                          The lady does not exist. In reality she is either an employee of Y94, or she is a friend or relative of an employee.

                                                                                          1. re: John E.
                                                                                            HillJ Oct 31, 2013 01:08 PM

                                                                                            And dupped all the newscasters across America?

                                                                                            1. re: HillJ
                                                                                              John E. Oct 31, 2013 02:31 PM

                                                                                              Yep. Last year she called the station complaining that she could not get the highway department to move a deer crossing sign. She thought it should be moved to a less busy stretch of road.

                                                                                              1. re: John E.
                                                                                                HillJ Oct 31, 2013 02:32 PM

                                                                                                Last question: and the same radio station ran her new complaint this year? Egads, John E.

                                                                                                Happy Halloween all!!

                                                                                                1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                  John E. Oct 31, 2013 03:25 PM

                                                                                                  It was a bit, not a real woman. The staff at the radio station created both bits. The woman was either an employee, or a relative/friend of an employee. They are playing it straight on their website, but they are having a good laugh at having fooled so many people and news institutions.


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                                                                                                    HillJ Oct 31, 2013 03:47 PM

                                                                                                    I don't see the joke. The comments on the radio site are responding to the news report, reported as real. So, if this was a joke the radio jockey is talking in response to the women; not playing along...so, I don't get it.

                                                                                                    1. re: John E.
                                                                                                      miss_belle Oct 31, 2013 03:48 PM

                                                                                                      As the suspicious person I am it never occurred to me that this was a hoax. No wonder no one could find her. Thanks for the update. And here I was feeling sorry for the woman with a social media lynch mob after her. That radio station really needs to be taken to task imo.

                                                                                                      1. re: miss_belle
                                                                                                        HillJ Oct 31, 2013 03:49 PM

                                                                                                        So is Halloween the new April Fool's Day? News to me. And I don't see any mention of a hoax on that site or anywhere else...I have no idea what this hoax thing is all about.

                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                          miss_belle Oct 31, 2013 04:03 PM

                                                                                                          HillJ ~ I checked on and off today to see if there were any updates. None. I just figured the poor woman had gone to the mattresses not expecting publicity. If you were pissed then I am really pissed off now. But I suppose this will all be swept under the rug :-(

                                                                                                          1. re: miss_belle
                                                                                                            HillJ Oct 31, 2013 04:07 PM

                                                                                                            At this point it's all about enjoying whats left of Halloween! The party starts in an hour and I'm ready to have a good time.

                                                                                                            Enjoy yourself, miss_b!

                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                              miss_belle Oct 31, 2013 04:26 PM

                                                                                                              Happy Halloween to you too. I'm over it now:-)

                                                                                                              1. re: miss_belle
                                                                                                                HillJ Oct 31, 2013 04:28 PM

                                                                                                                The woman should have joined CH and read through this thread. She might have felt so much better :)


                                                                                                  2. re: John E.
                                                                                                    sunshine842 Nov 1, 2013 07:35 PM

                                                                                                    the deer bit was straight-on hilarious, though.

                                                                                                    1. re: sunshine842
                                                                                                      John E. Nov 1, 2013 08:08 PM

                                                                                                      It's an oldie, but a goody.

                                                                                                      1. re: John E.
                                                                                                        HillJ Nov 1, 2013 08:17 PM

                                                                                                        Any follow up after the fact on the hoax, John E. ?

                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                          John E. Nov 1, 2013 08:27 PM

                                                                                                          None that I am aware of. I am assuming the radio station is never going to admit anything.

                                                                                                          1. re: John E.
                                                                                                            chowser Nov 2, 2013 07:04 AM

                                                                                                            Everyone gets 15 minutes of fame, even if she's anonymous...

                                                                                                            1. re: chowser
                                                                                                              Veggo Nov 2, 2013 08:46 AM

                                                                                                              In this case it ought to be posthumous...;)

                                                                                                              1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                chowser Nov 3, 2013 06:06 PM

                                                                                                                How would we ever know? We can't even check the obits!

                                                                                                  3. re: HillJ
                                                                                                    John E. Oct 31, 2013 03:48 PM

                                                                                                    Here are YouTube links to both calls so you can hear for yourself.



                                                                                                    1. re: John E.
                                                                                                      HillJ Oct 31, 2013 03:51 PM

                                                                                                      Both are the deer calls. Maybe she's just a bit looney..but dead serious about her complaints...doesn't mean it's a gag. All the comments appear to take the woman seriously enough to me. But at this point, it's anyone's guess.

                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                        John E. Oct 31, 2013 04:07 PM

                                                                                                        The top link is the Halloween letter telephone call.

                                                                                                        I guarantee you that this is a radio bit and is not a real telephone call. I worked in radio for many years. This was before Facebook and websites, but I know neither was a real call. It is also the same woman in both calls. They guys at the radio station are playing it straight so they can see how long they can keep the ruse going. I doubt they will ever admit it was a bit.

                                                                                                      2. re: John E.
                                                                                                        HillJ Oct 31, 2013 04:11 PM

                                                                                                        Thanks for changing the link, John E.

                                                                                                        They all (the two videos & the OP) still read like a real story with comments from the public taking the news report seriously. This video version states the woman emailed the radio station, is that a lie? LOL...what a crazy story!!

                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                          John E. Oct 31, 2013 04:46 PM

                                                                                                          Here is a link to a Fargo Forum newspaper story.


                                                                                                          There is no way this is not a hoax although it did not occur to me that they would hire a voice-over actor to play the part. It went so well last year, they used the same woman this year.

                                                                                                          Radio stations pull pranks all the time. The problem is, sometimes they can backfire. Do you recall the Australian radio station employees who called the London hospital pretending to be the queen? The nurse who put the call through to the Duchess of Cambridge's room killer herself over the embarrassment.

                                                                                                          1. re: John E.
                                                                                                            HillJ Oct 31, 2013 04:48 PM

                                                                                                            LOL..clearly we run in diff circles but I'm loving your energy!
                                                                                                            Thanks. You saved Halloween :)

                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                              John E. Oct 31, 2013 04:54 PM

                                                                                                              I don't think you meant that 'diff circles' comment as an insult, but I don't really know what it means. Is it because of the behind the scenes media stuff? (I started working on the air at a radio station at age 16, worked in radio for 18 years and have been a PR/media/public/government affairs consultant for many years.)

                                                                                                              1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                HillJ Oct 31, 2013 05:21 PM

                                                                                                                Not an insult, no. It was becoming more clear to me that you had radio experience, Looks like I was right.

                                                                                                            2. re: John E.
                                                                                                              HillJ Oct 31, 2013 04:50 PM

                                                                                                              Okay, I'm reading 'likely fake'...must have been a slow day at the office, huh..

                                                                                                              1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                miss_belle Oct 31, 2013 05:53 PM


                                                                                                      3. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                                        Hobbert Oct 31, 2013 01:03 PM

                                                                                                        I don't disagree with much of what you say. I didn't grow up with the concept of Halloween and find it peculiar to this day. But I definitely wouldn't hand cute little kids, all excited about costumes and a holiday they've looked forward to, a note telling them they're fat. That's just mean.

                                                                                                        1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                                          jrvedivici Oct 31, 2013 01:09 PM

                                                                                                          From an analytically stand point I can agree completely with your facts and your opinion(s). For me the outrage is simply this, the woman could chose not to participate by not answering her door, and ignoring all trick or treaters instead of just ostracizing some.

                                                                                                          She could just as easily go to a dollar store and buy a bag of toy soldiers, or bouncy balls or any nic-nack type toy instead of food/candy. She could give a toy, and hand the parents the note if she feels so strongly. I think the outrage stems from, at least on my part, is it seems her approach will be to "call out" the fat kids in front of their peers. That's no way to express your feelings, even if they are for the kids best interest.

                                                                                                          Children are just that children, adults shouldn't attempt to engage them directly on issues such as this. Adults shouldn't use bully-esq tactics to make a point. Most children trick or treating age are not in charge of their diet, most are at the discretion of their parents, thus the discussion should be had adult to adult, and not involving the child in that process.

                                                                                                          1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                            Pookipichu Oct 31, 2013 01:18 PM

                                                                                                            I don't disagree with you, she could hand out apples, or let children dive their hands in jars of pennies like we've done, etc. Regarding food however, there's a reason why corporations advertise to children, children have a very influential voice in what they eat. Look at Lunchables, nutritionally garbage, but a billion dollar industry because most parents give in to whining. Children have more control of their diet, in many cases, than you might think.

                                                                                                            1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                                              HillJ Oct 31, 2013 01:22 PM

                                                                                                              One day a year we can relax over Lunchables and the billion dollar industry to have some fun can't we?

                                                                                                              1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                                                jrvedivici Oct 31, 2013 01:24 PM

                                                                                                                The most under used word in parenting in the US (where I am from) is NO. Again, I don't disagree with anything you say, however just because a child wants something doesn't mean it's the parents responsibility to give it to them. Too many parents either don't want to hurt their lil Johnny or Jane's feelings or are just to stupid themselves to know they are poisoning their children.

                                                                                                                Children having that kind of "control" is where the problem begins. There is a reason we don't allow children to vote isn't there?

                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                  HillJ Oct 31, 2013 01:29 PM

                                                                                                                  Are we still talking about Halloween? Sorry you lost me. Halloween is not the day you decide to say NO for the first time.
                                                                                                                  Okay, had my own rant. Thanks for listening folks.

                                                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                    Pookipichu Oct 31, 2013 01:36 PM

                                                                                                                    I can think of countless families where children are President, Vice-President and Secretary of State. Declaring treaties (play dates), trade agreements (ordering toys off Amazon), and negotiating important fiscal policy (McDonalds once a week). Parents that don't give their children a vote are deemed cruel and tyrannical compared to xyz parent, cue tears and wailing. :)

                                                                                                                    1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                                                      jrvedivici Oct 31, 2013 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                      I will gladly stand trial on my charges of being a cruel and tyrannical parent. My children have earned their voices however as "children" they didn't have much of a say in decisions of diet/eating and or purchases.

                                                                                                                      1. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                                                        Veggo Oct 31, 2013 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                        Jeez, 93 years ago we gave women the right to vote, and the pain never ends....:)

                                                                                                                  2. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                    HillJ Oct 31, 2013 01:21 PM

                                                                                                                    Wait a minute weren't you the guy holding the carton of eggs and tp further up thread? lol...

                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                      jrvedivici Oct 31, 2013 01:31 PM

                                                                                                                      Yes and I still am!! You have to follow the convo between Pook and myself, I'm explaining why their is the outrage which I participated in above.

                                                                                                                      While I completely disagree with her method, her message is valid. However a child isn't or shouldn't be in charge of their diet, so ultimately it's the parent's problem to deal with or correct, you just shouldn't as an adult pick on child because of this problem. The discussion is to be had with the parents, not the children.

                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                        Jerseygirl111 Oct 31, 2013 06:04 PM

                                                                                                                        But where does it end? Some people appoint themselves the food police (Hello Bloomberg?) and don't know when to stop.

                                                                                                                        1. re: Jerseygirl111
                                                                                                                          HillJ Oct 31, 2013 06:12 PM

                                                                                                                          That's a valid point, J.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Jerseygirl111
                                                                                                                            chowser Oct 31, 2013 06:15 PM

                                                                                                                            It takes a village but not strangers who do something like this. Can you imagine if everyone decided to speak up for everything they see wrong, even if it were true? How well received would that be? Stand outside a donut shop and pass out letters about how bad they are for you? Every time you see someone buy cigarettes, tell them they're killing themselves. When you see someone in an SUV, thank them for destroying the environment.

                                                                                                                    2. re: Pookipichu
                                                                                                                      chowser Oct 31, 2013 06:08 PM

                                                                                                                      Assuming there is any truth to this, the children will have to read the note before they know what it's about so not taking the letter and not reading it isn't that staightforward. Candy is no better for thin children than overweight children. Overweight children KNOW they're overweight, they hear it all the time. Don't single them out to make them feel bad. And, don't judge a book by its cover. I know kids who are active but overweight and kids who are thin and not healthy. Take action to be positive, don't throw a bomb and do nothing. If she's truly concerned, there are organizations that she can join that would help.

                                                                                                                      There was one house in our neighborhood that passed out letters to the kids about how Halloween was the devil's holiday, how they need to accept Christ into their lives or were going to hell. That served no purpose but to let the people pat themselves on their back. This letter is the same.

                                                                                                                      1. re: chowser
                                                                                                                        John E. Oct 31, 2013 06:14 PM

                                                                                                                        While this story is a hoax, I remember getting little Bible tracts with a quarter taped to them from one particular house in the neighborhood. The family were quite strict Baptists, and as my father said, they "wouldn't say shit if they had a mouthful", but we knew even as kids that they meant well and we liked getting the money.

                                                                                                                    3. j
                                                                                                                      Jerseygirl111 Oct 31, 2013 12:53 PM

                                                                                                                      What a loser. Mind your own business. You don't want to give candy out, then don't. But why ruin some poor kid's day? Aren't overweight children struggling with enough difficulties in life? This is not productive, it is public shaming.

                                                                                                                      1. Withnail42 Oct 31, 2013 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                        I wonder if she is one of these people who, for what ever, reason, insist on making their lives, and often the lives of those around them, difficult. Often they're no more then attention seekers.

                                                                                                                        What ever her reason. I'd like to find out Nov 1st if she followed through. If she did I'd like to know where I can donate some eggs.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: Withnail42
                                                                                                                          HillJ Oct 31, 2013 05:21 PM

                                                                                                                          Good point, let's see what happens tomorrow.

                                                                                                                        2. emglow101 Nov 1, 2013 08:59 PM

                                                                                                                          It's Halloween.I had a great time as always last night handing out candy. Why mess up a tradition.Every year seems to be less and less kids. A fat letter. What's this ? Not going to happen here.

                                                                                                                          1. Atomic76 Nov 3, 2013 11:53 AM

                                                                                                                            The parents who got these letters should all send her letters too telling her what a bitch she is.

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                                                                                                                              sunshine842 Nov 3, 2013 12:23 PM

                                                                                                                              that's just it....there weren't ever any letters. It was a radio bit.

                                                                                                                            2. jrvedivici Nov 4, 2013 05:57 AM

                                                                                                                              I guess it's not known in the industry this was a joke, WPLJ 95.5 in NY did a segment on this today. They were under the impression it was legit, so I guess the radio station that did the prank keeps it close to the vest.

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                                                                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Nov 4, 2013 06:50 AM

                                                                                                                                WPLJ 95.5. Wow - blast from the past from when I lived in northern New Jersey. :-)

                                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                  Gastronomos Nov 4, 2013 09:09 AM

                                                                                                                                  White Port and Lemon Juice

                                                                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                    John E. Nov 4, 2013 09:38 AM

                                                                                                                                    Are you saying they did not speculate whether or not the story was real and that they talked about it as if it were real? If so, I'm surprised.

                                                                                                                                    Yes, the radio station is not admitting anything and will not do so. That would ruin the bit.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                      jrvedivici Nov 5, 2013 07:48 AM

                                                                                                                                      Yes I'm saying 100% WPLJ did a follow up story on it as if it was completely real. Along with a whole segment pretty much trashing North Dakota along with it.

                                                                                                                                      I think after a prank like that a lot of media outlet's like to let people in on the prank they played to get the attention from it.

                                                                                                                                  2. h
                                                                                                                                    HillJ Nov 5, 2013 07:09 AM

                                                                                                                                    Did anyone catch the "I ate all their candy" videos parents sent in to Jimmy Kimmel?

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                      Veggo Nov 5, 2013 07:12 AM

                                                                                                                                      Very funny! The Today Show ran it this morning.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                        HillJ Nov 5, 2013 07:22 AM

                                                                                                                                        Oh we were howling over some of the kids. At least this prank was REAL :)

                                                                                                                                      2. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                        Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 07:29 AM

                                                                                                                                        Someone body finally stepping up to the plate, and make a real effort to attack obesity in America.

                                                                                                                                        (opps, I didn't mean to reply to you. I meant to reply to the original post)

                                                                                                                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                          I thought that was MIchelle Obama's job. :)

                                                                                                                                          ETA (And I'm not even really joking. I think she's really tackled it head on about as well as a first lady could...)


                                                                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                            Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 09:09 AM

                                                                                                                                            :) While I don't deny there is obesity in America and that it is a big issue, I just don't know how "hard" one should approach this. Should people be allowed to make their own mistakes? Or not?

                                                                                                                                            This person certainly is upsetting a lot of people.

                                                                                                                                            In one extreme, some will tell you that getting a child obese is a form of child abuse, and that its harms are just as bad as smoking. If one buys into this argument, then how can one fault her not giving the kids the "cigarette".

                                                                                                                                            On the other hand, is having one or two more candies really doing make a person obese? Or is having few candies less make a person thin? Doubtful. As such, not entirely sure what this really can achieve anything.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                              Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 09:15 AM

                                                                                                                                              Some one (I remember) said that we still don't take obesity as serious as we do on smoking, despite that obesity probably hurt the US population and productivity more than smoking.

                                                                                                                                              Strangers can come up to a smoker and tell him that he shouldn't smoke. I don't know anyone will go up to someone in McDonald and tell him that he should not order the Big Mac meal. A bartender can deny to serve alcoholic drink to someone who looks drunk, but can a waiter/waitress deny serving a steak to a person who looks obese?

                                                                                                                                              "Mrs. I cannot in good conscience serve you the deep fried cat fish. Would like some salad instead?"

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                Veggo Nov 5, 2013 09:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                With smaller chairs and tight booths, that problem fixes itself without a confrontation.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                  linguafood Nov 5, 2013 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Yeah, 'cept that both chair and booth sizes have been expanding (chain restaurants, movie theaters, planes) to match the "average" size of the ever-expanding US populace.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: linguafood
                                                                                                                                                    HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                    Ever been to a movie theater that sells a full course meal to you at your seat? The seats are small sofas.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                      linguafood Nov 5, 2013 09:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                      How distracting the wait service would be to everyone else trying to catch a flick...

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: linguafood
                                                                                                                                                        HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                        It is. Waiters, food eaters, glassware, burping, getting up for bathroom breaks. I went once with friends and that was the last time for me. At home, sure. In a theater, totally distracting.

                                                                                                                                                      2. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 09:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                        No, but we're getting darn close!



                                                                                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                          HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Oh my, experience it once and then decide :)

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                            The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 09:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Oh, I totally want to try it, although, my expectations for the quality of food are pretty low, sadly.


                                                                                                                                                            1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                              HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Then you're spot on. Think (TGIF's). Keeping it hot was the challenge.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 09:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Actually, here's a place that supposedly does a pretty decent attempt (I can't personally recommend it): http://www.foreigncinema.com/about-us/ I recall a place in the East Bay where you could have pizza, I think, with your movie. Very foggy (no pun intended) memory on that point.


                                                                                                                                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 09:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Ah, yes, here's the pizza and beer movie theater: http://sanfrancisco.grubstreet.com/2012/01/parkway_theater_to_live_again.html

                                                                                                                                                                  ETA: here's another one! http://www.rialtocinemas.com/index.ph...


                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ Nov 5, 2013 10:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    If only NJ was as forward thinking. But, I'd still prefer to eat before the movie and then go to the show (even if it was under the same roof).

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 10:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Me too, I think, except as a novelty experience. Or, maybe, if I had kids and it was a pizza/movie thing.


                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                    sandylc Nov 5, 2013 10:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    There was a Cinema Café years ago out here in the 'burbs.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: sandylc
                                                                                                                                                                      John E. Nov 5, 2013 10:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      There is still the Cinema Grill in New Hope on Winnetka. We have never been there, but I remember going to someplace just like it years ago. I don't remember much about the experience, but I seem to recall it was distracting. We go to few movies these days anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                        sandylc Nov 5, 2013 10:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        We don't go to any. It just seems like a waste of an entire evening and more money than it's worth, all on the gamble that maybe THIS movie (yes, movie, not "film") might actually be good, rather than predictable and/or gratuitously violent.

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: linguafood
                                                                                                                                                          Veggo Nov 5, 2013 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Lingua, there was an all-inclusive resort in Mexico (that didn't succeed) exclusively for large people, with oversized towels, bathrobes, furniture, grab bars, everything. Maybe the buffets put it out of business. And how would a travel agent delicately suggest it?
                                                                                                                                                          But I bet they sold a LOT of suntan lotion.

                                                                                                                                                        3. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                          Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 09:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Pretty sure this is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Thanks for the US lawyers.


                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                            youareabunny Nov 5, 2013 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                            That would be nice if it worked! My friend's husband is so overweight that he can't buckle his seatbelt... He has been driving seatbeltless for years. It freaks me out but I think he's so big he's wedged in so he kind of doesn't need it?!?!

                                                                                                                                                            I've been spending half my time in France and there have been so many restaurant and church chairs that my friends would break, hallways and toilet rooms that they couldnt access.

                                                                                                                                                            I'm not into shaming kids but I have no problem shaming an adult. But even after the seatbelt thing, breaking a couch and not fitting into rollercoaster seats, they still do nothing.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: youareabunny
                                                                                                                                                              Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 10:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                              <breaking a couch and not fitting into rollercoaster seats, they still do nothing.>

                                                                                                                                                              I remember reading something from Mike Huckabee about his weight problem.


                                                                                                                                                              He said that one of this life turning point was that he broke a chair and fell to the ground in public. He laughed about it on the outside (in the public), but he said he was crying inside.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: youareabunny
                                                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 11:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                The people who value the scolding opinion of a stranger probably already feel shame. Instead, why not look for the good in their hearts, minds, and souls and let them know you value them as human beings?

                                                                                                                                                                I've been thin at some points of my life and heavier at others. I've never felt motivated to lose weight when I've felt shitty and worthless.


                                                                                                                                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                  Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 01:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  <I've been thin at some points of my life and heavier at others. I've never felt motivated to lose weight when I've felt shitty and worthless. >

                                                                                                                                                                  Excellent point indeed. My issue is less of the person over-eating. I am on the libertarian angle on this topic. I think people should able to eat what they like even if the food is not the best for them. In other words, people should be allowed to make their own choices even if others do not agree. Food, clothing, car, ...etc.

                                                                                                                                                                  I think the question I have is: how much direction can a parent influence a child? Of course, parental right is very very very important. However, a parent and a child are still two individuals. We don't view favorably for parents who encourage their children to smoke or deny them from going to school. We consider these as form of child abuse -- endangering children body and mind...etc. If I want to smoke is one thing, if I encourage my child to smoke, then it is a completely different thing.

                                                                                                                                                                  Now, what about a parent over feeding a child? Should a stranger be allowed to step in to say something? Or is this out of bound? I have no real answer, but I am just raising a few questions.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 01:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    I think domestic abuse of any kind is a very serious matter, one that I have never and would never presume to take into my own hands unless I felt there was imminent danger. I contact the proper authorities and let the people who are trained to deal with these situations get involved. I'm pretty sure I would never call the authorities if say, I saw a chubby kid eating a Quarter Pounder with Cheese. On the other hand, if I witnessed someone hitting the child while screaming "EAT THAT BURGER RIGHT NOW" I'd call 911 and then personally intervene.


                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                      jrvedivici Nov 5, 2013 02:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      " I am on the libertarian angle on this topic. I think people should able to eat what they like even if the food is not the best for them. In other words, people should be allowed to make their own choices even if others do not agree. Food, clothing, car, ...etc."

                                                                                                                                                                      While I tend to agree with you regarding this issue, there is a new wrinkle to this stance; Obamacare.

                                                                                                                                                                      It use to be what I did with my fat alcoholic ass was my business. If my insurance company covered me, I paid my premium and all is well. Now for everyone one of me we need 10 of you healthy jogging lettuce eating God fearing people to off set the cost of my health care.

                                                                                                                                                                      If we don't get 10 of them then my burden falls upon all the others and my unhealthy life style causes everyone to pay more.

                                                                                                                                                                      So while I agree with you to a point, the facts are everyone's freedom of choice now costs us all across the board. So now we all have a financial right to be judgemental of others and how they treat themselves health wise.

                                                                                                                                                                      That my friend is how insurance and ironically socialism works.

                                                                                                                                                                      FYI this is not an anti-Obama rant, just a statement of facts. He is my President and this is the law of the land. I respect them both, even if I disagree.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                                                        Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 03:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        <there is a new wrinkle to this stance; Obamacare.>

                                                                                                                                                                        This is absolutely true. We always share our burden, but new healthcare will make it more so. As such, my problem is not entirely my problem.

                                                                                                                                                                        <FYI this is not an anti-Obama rant, just a statement of facts. >

                                                                                                                                                                        I know. If you are to share benefits, then you are to share burdens too. Very simple universal truth.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                          linguafood Nov 5, 2013 03:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          It's how civilized societies (ought to) work. People taking care of one another.

                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                                                          LA Buckeye Fan Nov 5, 2013 05:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          Nice try. I don't have children, yet my taxes still pay for my community to have decent schools. I've never needed to call the fire department, but my neighbors have. I gladly have my taxes support these needs, yet I don't have the right to check to see if they bought space heaters. As far as childhood obesity, the role of pointing out risks falls to healthcare professionals. Not neighbors. I see no difference.

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                                                                                                                                                                            jrvedivici Nov 5, 2013 05:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            What are you talking about, or why are you directing it at me?

                                                                                                                                                                            "As far as childhood obesity, the role of pointing out risks falls to healthcare professionals"

                                                                                                                                                                            Where am I talking about childhood obesity? I'm directing my response to CK statement about people's right to eat what they want. I countered it with myself as an example, nothing refers to childhood obesity so I really have no idea what you are referring to.

                                                                                                                                                                            My comments regarding Obamacare and insurance in general are factual.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                                                              LA Buckeye Fan Nov 5, 2013 05:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              I was responding that we had a new financial wrinkle to be judgemental. We've had it for quite some time. The childhood obesity was toward the OP. sorry I was unclear .

                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                        sockii Nov 5, 2013 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Exactly. Usually depression and low self-esteem has only fueled my eating issues.

                                                                                                                                                                        Seriously, people need to realize that shaming. does. not. help. It often only makes the problem worse. For many people overeating is not caused by laziness, stupidity, or lack of activity. It can be very much a symptom of deeper emotional issues and an addiction just like alcoholism. Being overweight can be symptomatic of many diseases where no matter how well you watch what you eat, exercise regularly, you're still never going to be socially acceptably "thin".

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                                                                                                                                                                          Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 03:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          <For many people overeating is not caused by laziness, stupidity, or lack of activity. It can be very much a symptom of deeper emotional issues and an addiction just like alcoholism.>

                                                                                                                                                                          I see. So Americans have deeper emotional issues than the rest of the world. I didn't know this.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                            The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 03:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe, coupled with relative prosperity and cheap food.


                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                              sockii Nov 5, 2013 04:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              So this is going to turn into country-wank as well?


                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: sockii
                                                                                                                                                                              youareabunny Nov 6, 2013 12:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              I read that about 5% of obesity cases can be attributed to genetic issues like hyperthyroidism.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: youareabunny
                                                                                                                                                                            chowser Nov 5, 2013 04:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Join the crowd for shaming an obese adult. They are all day long, even more so from themselves. Don't you think that is humiliation enough to go through that w/out others jumping in? Don't you think they already realize it?

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: chowser
                                                                                                                                                                              youareabunny Nov 6, 2013 12:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              From the ones I know myself? Nope. The ones I know make fun of other fat people. It's strange.

                                                                                                                                                                          3. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                                            jrvedivici Nov 5, 2013 10:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            I'm not shy of the fact I'm a large guy, you can get a "feeling" for it in my profile pic, that was taken last year. It's amazing that at my size, large but not huge, how challenging so many things in life can be. Like sitting in fixed booth's, coach airline seats, toilet's, hotel showers, cars and clothes. Even when I go to my kids school conferences I just stand in the back of the room, I'm not fitting in any high school desk. lol

                                                                                                                                                                            A buddy of mine bought a Lambo Countach, it was beautiful, I couldn't help myself I had to take a ride in it. The dam door jam is a good 12 inches wide.....I put one leg in the car and crunched down to contort my body into the small cockpit and half way through, as my weight was distributed between each of my legs, one in the car one out, I got wedged in the door opening. I got wedged and I didn't have enough leverage with either leg to push myself one way or the other. My friend tried to pull me out, to no avail, pulling 310lbs of dead weight is no small task. He actually had to call a neighbor to come over so one could push from the drivers side, while the other pulled me out of the car. I was stuck in there for about an hour. lol I will never live to ride in a Lambo.

                                                                                                                                                                            If I had a dollar for every patio chair, beach chair or kitchen, dining room, office etc chair I have broken from either sitting the wrong way or mis-distributing my weight unevenly on them I would be a very rich man.

                                                                                                                                                                            I just recently met with a client who had wicker kitchen chairs. Literally wicker...she invited me in to sit with her and I looked at her like, really? You want us to meet here? She had a pet parrot in a cage in the kitchen, at one point the parrot goes ape shit and startles me and I unexpectedly shifted my weight on the chair, {{crunch}} I ripped the wicker seat right outta that sucker!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                              Veggo Nov 5, 2013 10:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              The cheapo $5 plastic chairs are ubiquitous in Mexico, and I, being a bit tall and corpulent also, always double stack a seat. I have broken a lot of them. I don't care about the friggin' chairs, I fear and respect gravity.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                                                youareabunny Nov 5, 2013 10:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                Corpulent! Now I'm giggling! Rubenesque.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: youareabunny
                                                                                                                                                                                  Veggo Nov 5, 2013 10:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Peter Paul and I were 4 centuries apart....

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                                                  jrvedivici Nov 5, 2013 10:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh forget about those white plastic stack-able patio chairs. Hahahahaha I don't even include those in my records of broken furniture.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Veggo Nov 5, 2013 10:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    My favorite broken furniture memory was my golf buddy in PA, 6'5", 265, drunk, playing air guitar to Free Bird, and crushing the arm of an antique Queen Anne couch, but he kept on playing. The long version.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                                                      jrvedivici Nov 5, 2013 11:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Not broken furniture story, but a funny big guy story. One morning I was arrested in the lobby of my office. (Talk about a long and convoluted story surrounding this) Due to some botched paperwork a judge issued a warrant for my arrest and 9:01am my receptionist intercom's me to inform me there is a Sheriff's officer here with a warrant for my arrest, did I want to come down or should she send him up? LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                      I went down to the lobby and sure enough he had a warrant for my arrest, so he read me my rights, patted me down in the lobby then told me it would probably be better if I removed all my jewelry and personal items rather than having him process them at the courthouse. So I did as he instructed and left all my personal items with my receptionist, and he proceeded to cuff me. As this was going on I told him, unfortunately due to past experiences of this nature, I know I require a minimum of two set's of cuffs for behind the back cuffing, if not then one is fine for front cuffing. Well turns out Mr. Sheriff's officer misplaced his second set of cuff's and only had one set on him, he also explained that it's against policy to bring people in front cuffed so he couldn't do that.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Since he already miranda'd me and served me with the warrant, he could leave me either. So he had to call for another officer to come and deliver a second set of cuff's. This took about an hour for the second officer to come, so me and the Sheriff's officer sat in my office having some coffee and watching CNBC while we waited for back up cuff's to come so he could take me in.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                                                                        Veggo Nov 5, 2013 11:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Jr, some days there ain't no fish. I hope you were the boss so there wasn't 'splainin' to do.

                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                              chowser Nov 5, 2013 09:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              Have you seen those hidden cameras that follow obese people around? You see the types of things they have to face from people oinking at them to making comments about what they're eating. They said it gets to the point where they refuse to eat certain foods in public. It's not the waitress. It's the general public. It's really sad.

                                                                                                                                                                            3. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                              HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              Well....what holiday/national celebration doesn't involve food? Aren't we all enjoying a site dedicated to indulging on the very foods we love?

                                                                                                                                                                              If parents decide to draw an obesity equation in the sand for their children they should do so at every meal, every day of their lives so when moderation/healthful judgement is called for, they have the tools. Sure that's hopeful thinking but I'd rather give folks the benefit of the doubt.

                                                                                                                                                                              Having anyone (radio station joke or otherwise) use their 15 mins. of bully pulpit fame to shout out all that is wrong with youngsters eating Halloween candy smacks of bad taste and sidetracks the better conversations parents have with their kids. Or kids have with each other.

                                                                                                                                                                              I think Jimmy Kimmel's prank was far more honest.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                <Aren't we all enjoying a site dedicated to indulging on the very foods we love? >

                                                                                                                                                                                Sure, but I don't think we need to eat to the point of obesity to enjoy food. Just like we don't need to get alcohol hepatitis to enjoy alcohol. I hope not.

                                                                                                                                                                                <If parents decide to draw an obesity equation in the sand for their children they should do so at every meal, every day of their lives>

                                                                                                                                                                                I agree with that. I don't think "denying a few pieces of candies" really do anything.

                                                                                                                                                                                <Jimmy Kimmel's prank was far more honest.>

                                                                                                                                                                                Conan is way better than Jimmy.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                  HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I didn't catch a Halloween prank by Conan. Did he run one?
                                                                                                                                                                                  No excess isn't necessary in many areas of life, true. But if you fail to teach or fail to learn how to eat properly you may wind up unhealthy one way or another. In the context of a holiday where food is a big part of the celebration, I think the ground work for moderation has to be there beforehand. When we are born, the people around us are celebrating..and it just goes on deliciously from there :)

                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 09:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                Of course, "this person" doesn't really exist. It was a radio hoax. But, most of the viewpoints and arguments are well-presented in this thread "Healthy for Halloween?" http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/920199


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                                                                                                                                                                                  HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Right! It's not all doom & gloom. I shared the same link above for the same reason.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Sorry, I wasn't trying to be redundant. I was going to type out the arguments then realized there was a whole thread already. :) Was just being expedient.


                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                      HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Not at all, GMTA!

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                  GH1618 Nov 5, 2013 10:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm in the first group — I think allowing your own child to become obese is child abuse. An occasional candy treat is not the reason children become obese, it is habitual eating of sugar (especially) and overeating generally.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I am reminded of a father with a small child I saw in a department store awhile back. The child carried a 16 or 20 oz bottle of soda, which seemed to be a sort of pacifier, leaving the parent free from distraction. This is a legal form of child abuse, in my opinion, and utterly irresponsible parenting. A parent could get the same result by giving the child alcohol, but that would be a crime, or some even stronger drug which would be an extremely serious crime. The difference is only one of degree, and the harm to a child from becoming hooked on sugar at a young age is not much less than becoming dependent on alcohol.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: GH1618
                                                                                                                                                                                    Veggo Nov 5, 2013 10:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I get slammed a lot here, but I suspect that obese parents fattening up their kids validates them to an extent.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      <I get slammed a lot here, but I suspect that obese parents fattening up their kids validates them to an extent.>

                                                                                                                                                                                      Ha ha hah

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: GH1618
                                                                                                                                                                                      Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      <This is a legal form of child abuse, in my opinion, and utterly irresponsible parenting.>

                                                                                                                                                                                      That is the thing. Obviously, there is a long term health cost here. If the child is lucky, he will break out of this habit, which will be great, but he may not, and he could be addicted to this lifestyle for the rest of his life. Aside from the health perspective, overweight kids also get made fun of at school and can lead to lower esteem, so there is an emotional cost as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                        jrvedivici Nov 5, 2013 10:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        There is also a sub-problem to this that often times the most affordable food sources are extremely mal-nutritious in their nature.

                                                                                                                                                                                        While I don't condone it at all, it's hard to argue with a family that looks at a Mc Donalds $1.00 menu and can feed a family of 4 for under $10.00.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I think I remember reading somewhere on here where Mc Donalds was doing a family meal deal which consisted of 4 sandwiches, 4 drinks and 4 fries for $10. As much as I resent that I can understand the economics of it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 10:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          I actually like McDonald. I just don't eat it every day. I think people have to bear responsible, but the problem is "What happen when they don't?" Are we suppose to correct them?

                                                                                                                                                                                          McDonald offers salad as well as French fries. It also offers fresh fruit too. The problem is: What if they want to order French fries, and don't want to order fresh fruit and salad? What can you do?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Now, here is a tougher question. I am sure we can say that it is their choices to order French fries, and I agree to this to a good extend. However, what about their kids? It is their choices to order French fries (instead of fruits) for their kids?

                                                                                                                                                                                          It is a tough situation.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                            jrvedivici Nov 5, 2013 10:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            While I understand now Mc Donalds is offering apple slices on the new "value menu" (replacing the dollar menu). Traditionally the healthier items are not available on the dollar menu. I'm not trying to be critical of Mc Donalds, the serve their purpose and I too enjoy them from time to time. I'm just trying to say, its far more affordable to eat bad, rather than good in our society.

                                                                                                                                                                                            You want to see some positive change, tie corporate tax exemptions or loopholes to healthy eating. If you want to achieve the lowest corporate tax levels in this country than make your most affordable foods be equaled by healthy alternatives as well. You see there is NO motivation for the food industry to create healthier affordable options, so they don't.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm sorry I'm just very cynical these days.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                                                                              Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 07:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              <I'm just trying to say, its far more affordable to eat bad, rather than good in our society.>

                                                                                                                                                                                              I hear that a lot, but I don't see it. Here is why. When I was (relatively) poor, I actually couldn't afford McDonald and others. I had to cook all of my meals. Every now and then, I would treat myself to a trip to Carl's Jr because it is a special treat for myself. In fact, I don't even order soda because it was too expensive in my opinion. I just ordered the sandwich and fill a cup of water.

                                                                                                                                                                                              One can buy a head of lettuce and make tons of salad from it....etc. We can definitely just buy oranges and apples from supermarkets. No one can stop me from eating fruits for lunches, and they are cheaper than McDonald. Even at premier price, it will be like $1 per apple, right? (that is the price from my company cafeteria) You can get 5 apples for a McDonald meal?

                                                                                                                                                                                              <I'm sorry I'm just very cynical these days.>

                                                                                                                                                                                              I am very cynical too, but on different issue. Let's just forget about the fact that traditionally McDonald did not offer fresh fruits. Let's focus now. McDonald and others today offer fresh fruits, but so what? If you look closely, most people still do not get fresh fruit. They go for French fries. I doubt that is because the fruit was more expensive -- because it isn't. They are the same. Every time my friends get French fries, I would tease them. They would always say "But they taste so good". I have never heard that they said "But they are so cheap".

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. Nov 5, 2013 07:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Chem, I almost never order a soft drink in medium to lower end restaurants, the exception is an ocassional iced tea, otherwisexI still just get water.

                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                          sunshine842 Nov 5, 2013 04:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          I have a dear friend whose daughter was diagnosed with leukemia when her girl was just 6,

                                                                                                                                                                                          During the course of her treatment, her body became bloated and puffy, and she looked like a very obese child.

                                                                                                                                                                                          My friend and her daughter were enjoying a rare (but doctor-approved) trip to the mall (public places are off-limits when your immune system has been destroyed by chemotherapy) -- and my friend was very publicly and very loudly berated by one of these "I know better than you" types about how she was abusing her daughter by allowing her to become such a pig (the exact words). They were both crushed, and the holier-than-thou ruined what was supposed to be a special day out.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Definitely a lesson in keeping your f-ing mouth shut if you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Kids at my door for Halloween are the same category -- I don't know their story, I don't know why they look the way they do, and it's not my place to judge in the space of a trick-or-treat visit.

                                                                                                                                                                                          (Daughter is in full remission now, happily, and is enjoying living life like a normal kid.)

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: sunshine842
                                                                                                                                                                                            Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 06:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Same with this kid too. He gained weight due to his medication:


                                                                                                                                                                                            <Definitely a lesson in keeping your f-ing mouth shut if you don't know what the hell you're talking about.>

                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, no one will ever knows everything about anything. That is the truth, but public policy is not about trying to know everything. Michale Bloomberg's soda policy or Michelle Obama's anti-child obesity is not about knowing every case. They are about knowing the average situation.

                                                                                                                                                                                            <Daughter is in full remission now>

                                                                                                                                                                                            I am glad.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                              sunshine842 Nov 5, 2013 07:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              but berating someone in public....or handing them a flying declaring them not worthy of candy...is an attempt to SAY one knows everything about everyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                              (while the deer bit was funny, this one was in incredibly poor taste)

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: sunshine842
                                                                                                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 07:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                <is an attempt to SAY one knows everything about everyone.>

                                                                                                                                                                                                So is telling people that they cannot have soda larger than "X" size. Look, I am not justifying what this lady has done. If you go back to what I wrote, I have never once praised her action. In fact, I wrote that her action really does not do anything -- because people don't get obese over one or two pieces of candies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I am just saying that any public policy will have policy casualty. When public policies are enforced, they will come in a way of "one size fits all". As such, there will always be cases which make no sense.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Let's just take the drinking age for example. Isn't true that some people can be responsible and handle alcohol at age younger than 21? Isn't it also true that some people are irresponsible even when they are above age 21?

                                                                                                                                                                                                What about removing soda machines from schools? Isn't that denying soda from all kids regardless of their situations? Isn't that also the same as "knowing everything about every kids"

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                                  sunshine842 Nov 5, 2013 07:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  in schools, no -- it's only denying kids soda *at school* -- if their parents want to let them run a Dr. Pepper IV drip at home, so be it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: sunshine842
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 08:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    <in schools, no -- it's only denying kids soda *at school*>

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, and this lady is only denying candies from her.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    My point is that no public policy is meant to know everything about everyone. What public policies assume is that it knows the overall effect about the masses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Let's take the "drinking age at 21". It does not assume everyone is irresponsible before age 21 and suddenly becomes responsible after age 21. No one thinks that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    What it assumes is that an average people become more responsible after age 21 (and therefore enforcing this policy will decrease driving and drinking accidents).

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                                      sunshine842 Nov 5, 2013 08:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      nope. A few hours once a year is not the same as all day, every day of the week.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      We'll assume kids have parental consent to go trick-or-treating, and to eat at least some of the candy they are given -- kids are required to go to school.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Most kids (and a lot of adults) will make the wrong choice about soda every chance they get....permission or no.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: sunshine842
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 08:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        <We'll assume kids have parental consent to go trick-or-treating, and to eat at least some of the candy they are given>

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Agree. I think that is exactly why that woman passed out the notes. The notes weren't for the kids. They were for the parents. They were basically saying "You don't know how to raise a child. You should not have let this child go trick or treat"

                                                                                                                                                                                                        <Most kids (and a lot of adults) will make the wrong choice about soda every chance they get....permission or no.>

                                                                                                                                                                                                        That is an assumption, right? Just like this lady assumed the parents of these chubby kids are not being good parents.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you believe that most kids and adults will make the wrong choice about soda, then isn't it also true that most parents may also make the wrong choices about children's candy diet?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        By the way, I am in no way suggesting that what this woman has done is right. I don't. I just think there are double standards (not from you). She is coming from the exact same angle as many public policies. Her assumption is the same. The only difference is that she has no authority, while government does.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Time to sign off for me on this topic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 10:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Perhaps of no use to respond to you since you are signing off this topic but, a) no letters were distributed, it was a hoax and b) while she was supposedly going to give the letter to the parents (instead of the children), apparently she was going to give the letter to the parents instead of giving candy to the children. In front of the child. So, how was this theoretically going to go down? "No candy for you, but here's a note for your mommy."

                                                                                                                                                                                                          There was really no way this wouldn't end up being known by the child.


                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 11:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            <Perhaps of no use to respond to you since you are signing off this topic>

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just because I won't back does not mean I won't read your response. I just don't want to get too invested in this. (hmm, I guess I wrote back... hmm)

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 11:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Always happy to read your response, chem. :)


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics Nov 6, 2013 06:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                :) By the way, I love Dairy Queen. I don't know if you meant this one:


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 07:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sort of, yes. I told the story behind my handle in one of those "How did you choose your handle?" threads on Site Talk a few years ago, but I didn't choose my handle. Yimster's son did. Though I lurked, I attended my first chowdown, a taco crawl, as the guest of a more seasoned poster, before I ever posted. . As a result, I did not have a handle. During the chowdown I apparently made a fuss over a Dairy Queen (because I hadn't seen one in years). Yimster's son thought that was hilarious so he kept calling me "Hey, Dairy Queen!" When it came time later to post my thoughts on the taco crawl, well, the choice was pretty obvious.


                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: sunshine842
                                                                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 11:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm sorry for what happened to your friend and her daughter at the mall, and am glad to hear the daughter is in remission.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I was going to share a story in a similar vein. I know a wonderful family: sweet, smart, fun kids + loving, caring, responsible, heart of gold, I would-trust-my-own-child-to-this-person parent.

                                                                                                                                                                                              The kids were never beanpole thin, but always active and healthy. When the family went through a heart-wrenching tragedy, the kids (and parent) ballooned up. My first impression (not having been informed of their recent circumstances) upon meeting up with this family after not having seen then for awhile, was "Wow, they've gotten really heavy." I was kind of mystified. Later, after I was informed about what was going on in their lives, it suddenly all made sense, even though I still did not know exactly what was making them "fat" or perhaps just "look fat."

                                                                                                                                                                                              Perhaps it was medication for depression and/or anxiety that was making them puffy and/or triggering them to overeat. Or maybe the parent was just trying to learn how to cook for the family on top of managing everything else and maybe not quite having a handle on it. Or maybe they were just exhausted and overwhelmed and eating at Wendy's for every meal and/or overeating to soothe themselves. Maybe it was all of the above.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Whatever it was, all I could think of when I thought of this thread and the comments about shaming obese adults and/or parents of heavy kids, was how awful it would be to pile on, to judge and shame this particular parent for being "overweight" or because the kids are "overweight".

                                                                                                                                                                                              You just don't know what is going on or has gone on in people's lives. And, frankly, even if someone is legitimately obese as a result of a lifetime of poor diet and exercise choices, it's simply no excuse to humiliate and shame them.

                                                                                                                                                                                              ETA: there need to be better, more effective ways than shaming for us as a society to address the problem of obesity. Honestly, I think Michelle Obama is on the right track. At least she's signaling that it's a problem, trying to make it part of the national conversation, and trying to make it a priority. It's a start. Meanness is almost never the answer.


                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                sunshine842 Nov 6, 2013 03:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                and on that, we see eye to eye 100% :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                (particularly where children are involved)

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                    chowser Nov 5, 2013 09:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    That has me laugh every time I see it (except the children who seem to have real anger issues). The other one is "Give your child an unusual Christmas present"--that is hysterical, too. I love the one w/ the half eaten peanut butter sandwich.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I know :)..I didn't become aware of the prank until the 2nd year and then went back to watch the bunch. That's my middle child!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                        HillJ Nov 5, 2013 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Just finishing watch the lot. Boy some of those children bring back a lot of memories for me when my kids were young. LOL. I love that JKimmel bit.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                          John E. Nov 5, 2013 02:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Frankly, while I too have messed with my kids' minds on occasion ("the bottom of the swimming pool smells like peppermint") I thought those videos of parents telling their children that they ate all of their Halloween candy bordered on sadistic. I didn't laugh at most of them, I cringed. Mostly, because they seemed to draw it out for much longer than was necessary. Those children will never forget when their parents lied to them just for laughs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            HillJ Nov 5, 2013 02:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I was waiting for your point of view, John E. I anticipated that you would have a strong feeling about it. Sadistic seems a bit over the top for my tastes but you've been generous with shared opinions. I can appreciate yours now.

                                                                                                                                                                                            If this prank had been pulled by someone threatening to the children, a stranger or someone they viewed as mean already and the prank hadn't been revealed at the end, with candy returned then I would view this Jimmy Kimmel annual prank as scary to young children. The entire setup works because kids love their Halloween candy and love that their parents allow them to trick or treat one night a year and come home with a bag full of loot. The parents play a prank and then come clean. Tears come pretty natural to young children. Perhaps you missed some of the more tender videos and the hugs.

                                                                                                                                                                                            OTOH, given that the radio prank wasn't even real (according to your comments before Halloween) but the station still felt it was hilarious to run a pretend rant by a pretend woman with a pretend axe to grind because the idea of children wolfing down candy was just too much to resist and get the national news all twisted up bothered me more.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I suppose all is fair game in TRICK or treat. We pick our pranks that make us laugh.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. Nov 5, 2013 04:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              The radio prank about the deer crossing sign was hilarious, especially since it had been done so many times and people still fell for it. The radio prank about Halloween was just done to stir up people's emotions. I admire them for their ability to pull these pranks off (I was in the radio business for a lot of years).

                                                                                                                                                                                              I did say bordered on sadistic. To intentionally to mess with young kids' emotions and make them cry and get angry on video just for a joke is not the way I raised my kids.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                HillJ Nov 5, 2013 04:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Both pranks were done to stir up people's emotions. Both aimed at children through their parents. Halloween apparently is the new April Fool's day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I didn't raise my kids to be on camera or to listen to wild lies for fun.

                                                                                                                                                                                                So it goes, John E. the world is a different place.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. Nov 5, 2013 04:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  That deer crossing thing was just plain silly. I don't think it stirred up any emotions except for people to think the lady who called the radio station was a moron. It also was not aimed at children. The deer prank was done in the middle of October last year, not on Halloween.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ Nov 5, 2013 05:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    At no time was I ever referring to the deer prank. I've been focused on Halloween the entire thread. When you shared that the same radio station also ran a deer crossing prank you shared the link so I watched it. I hadn't heard about the radio prank at all until this thread and the news piece later that day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I happen to catch a part of Jimmy Kimmel that played the YouTube videos this morning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just to be clear :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E. Nov 5, 2013 06:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I misunderstood your reference to 'both' as the radio pranks. The radio Halloween prank was not aimed at children, Jimmy Kimmel's was aimed at kids and I don't think it was very kind, the same words one of the children said.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        HillJ Nov 5, 2013 08:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I disagree. It's okay to disagree.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think either prank was conducted to be kind. Pranks aren't always kind or funny. At least real parents were video taping their children. At least the prank was real and apparently parents were willing to participate in an annual gag JK runs the last few Halloweens.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        According to you, the radio prank wasn't even real and yet it managed to get national attention. What was the point exactly of their prank? Was it kind to make up a ridiculous lie while kids all over the country were going trick or treating on Halloween?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        So, if we don't agree, that's okay John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                          HillJ Nov 5, 2013 08:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          And thanks for discussing this topic with me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. Nov 5, 2013 09:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I never said the radio Halloween prank was kind, I simply said it was a prank and it was not real. No fat kids got letters on Halloween in West Fargo.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            The point of the radio Halloween prank was to prank the media all over the country. They succeeded in that and more.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            The point of Jimmy Kimmel's prank was to humiliate, anger, and get kids to cry, alm for humor, to amuse the parents, Jimmy Kimmel, Youtube viewers, and apparently Chowhounders. I find that to be a terrible thing to do to young children and a sad goal for parents of young choldren. I am glad my wife and I never treated our children with such disdain.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 12:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I haven't seen the Jimmy Kimmel bit, but generally, I'm not fond of pranks or practical jokes. I find most of them to be mean-spirited, just getting a laugh at someone else's expense. They are even worse when the joke is played on the very vulnerable, a child, the elderly, etc. or when it is very public.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Wasn't there that nurse who committed suicide after a radio station pranked her re: the William and Kate baby thing? Even something that "seems" harmless or victimless can backfire.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Honestly, I don't know how radio stations get by with some of these bits. JohnE surely knows an ongoing bit a local radio station does called "War of the Roses" where they have suspicious wives and girlfriends call in and have the station prank their husband or boyfriend. The station calls the husband/boyfriend, posing as their cell phone provider. They offer the guy a free bouquet of roses, delivered, in exchange for answering a simple 2-question survey (1 one a scale of 1-10 how happy are you with your cell phone coverage and 2 how likely are you to recommend our service to others). After the survey, they ask for the name of the person the guy wants the roses sent to. If it's anyone other than the suspicious wife/girlfriend, they skewer the guy. It's a real trainwreck (and, yes, pathetically, obviously I sometimes listen).

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just don't understand how the radio stations can get away with this kind of stuff.


                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                HillJ Nov 6, 2013 05:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I agreed up thread that I also believed pranks can be mean spirited. What I can't seem to explain well is how John E can separate the JK YTube video prank from the radio prank. Which he revealed as a lie/made up/hoax.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                TDQ, since you outlined other radio pranks that backfired I join you in asking: Why do radio stations do this if real people are getting hurt? Good question.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E didn't explain why the radio station constructed the prank in the first place or why just because it was made up it was any less mean spirited. The national news covered the thing. The made up woman's voice over was mean spirited in her message and the public responded to it...feelings of humiliation was one response to the Halloween radio prank after all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                So if we pick and choose which prank was mean spirited and which wasn't?...I don't understand how they differ. Or, why splitting hairs over it even matters.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E, just because the radio station's prank was a lie doesn't make it less hurtful. And, if the JK video gag turns you off I can respect that too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                There's always next Halloween...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 05:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, not that I can speak for JohnE, but in my mind I think the difference is that the JK prank involved actual adults actually pranking actual children, whereas the halloween fat letter candy hoax, even though it was ostensibly about children, didn't actually involve children at all. It was a made-up conversation held entirely in the adult media. Maybe it turned out to be a good conversation. I can't think of how anyone was hurt by it, unless it inspired someone to actually hand out "fat letters."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Nevertheless, my point is, I think most pranks, especially of the "shock jock" variety go too far, can be damaging, and just aren't that funny.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ Nov 6, 2013 06:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My initial reaction, before John E. revealed this was a radio hoax for some time now, was pretty clear way up thread. The tone changed once we started believing it was a hoax. A hoax that got the dander up of national tv, not just a local radio audience. People reacted, pretty strongly to it. And then we find out...it's not real. Well, why bother then? Just to be....fill in the blank...I'm not sure how to feel about it anymore :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When I watched the JK video gags on YouTube in some cases you saw on edit the children go from upset to happy when their parents revealed the candy was still at home; not eaten. Not every child cried or even had an extreme reaction. Many didn't know what to feel and some children got angry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The emotional roller coaster was the trigger for both examples (at least for me). They were both aimed at parents and their children over Halloween..which I still maintain is NOT the celebration to be preaching food habits to anyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's been a very interesting discussion!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 07:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To be fair, I haven't watched the JK gags. It's possible they are less mean than I'm imagining...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      HillJ Nov 6, 2013 06:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I also concede that I don't have a problem with parents pranking their own children (which is the case here) if it's safe. The radio gag was aimed at anyone/everyone by a woman with an axe to grind...as pulled off by a radio station. So for me, the radio gag was less honest = less funny.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Nov 6, 2013 05:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Huh. There's a Boston radio station that does the same "War of the Roses" cell phone provider call offering to send a dozen long-stemmed red roses. But there's no survey - the radio DJ posing as "Shelly in Customer Service" of the service provider just says they'll send roses on behalf of the customer "for being such a loyal customer." I keep waiting for one of the called people to say "But I've only been with you for 2 months!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But I also think many of these WofR calls are fake, if not all of them. There have been several in my area that were way too obvious. So perhaps they're all staged and there's no girlfriend finding out her supposed boyfriend is seeing someone else or no one really breaking up over the radio.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Interesting. I've wondered if the WOR calls are fake, too, actually. Which I think is partly why I sometimes tune in (it's not my regular radio station and it's not on during my regular commute time--I only hear it if I'm running errands and am flipping channels)--I kind of want to see if they are ever busted on the air. I'm not even really sure if the calls are live. The least they can do is actually send roses, by the way!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Nov 6, 2013 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, they're DEFINITELY not live. The woman DJ who is "Shelley" on our local calls has sometimes been out on vacation the day the bit is aired, so I've always figured it's taped a day or two before for editing purposes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 08:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          See, I don't even listen carefully enough to know that. But, now I'm more suspicious than ever.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          John E. Nov 6, 2013 09:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There is an FCC rule that says a radio station cannot record a conversation to be broadcast unless everyone knows beforehand that they are being recorded. The rule did not used to be enforced and a lot of stations ignored it. Now, radio is more corporate and the company lawyers convinced management that it is a risk not worth taking. If you ever hear a radio bit where it appears the person on the telephone is unaware of what is going on, they have either already given permission for the recording, or it's fake. Or, if it's live radio, they have to be told they are on the air.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          KQRS used to pull a lot of stunts where the people were clueless about the recording. They no longer do so. This is one of the best and it's a prank on a kid.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Years later, Fred Savage went to college and became friends with a kid from Apple Valley. It's about 10 years later, and that's when Fred Savage found out he was pranked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 09:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Great info, thank you. I'm going to have to listen to that Fred Savage thing later...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So, does the person on the phone have to be informed before the conversation is recorded or just before the conversation is aired?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. Nov 6, 2013 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If it is being recorded, they have to be told before the recording equipment is actually in record mode. Back in the day, I would just have said before the tape machine was started, but since nobody uses those anymore....(Boy, does that make me feel old. When I was a radio announcer I played 45 rpm discs and 33 rpm LPs.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Obviously, Fred Savage knew he was on the air and if they know that, that also gives permission to record the conversation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              KQ used to do a bit where it was definately illegal. Tony Lee, one of the morning crew long since gone, would call up retail stores and say to whomever answered, "I was in your store earlier today, I'm home now, I'm naked, and I'm thinking of you". The responses were hilarious and it was real. Sometimes when a female answered, the conversation would get flirty, sexy. The funniest one I recall involved a Korean shopkeeper who did not wish to be thought of in that manner by Tony. Those radio bits were illegal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        John E. Nov 6, 2013 08:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They can get away with it because the "War of the Roses" is also a radio bit. That particular radio skit is only done on Clear Channel radio stations. (I'm not a Dave Ryan listener, although my father was once on the show many years ago doing a prank on Lee Valsvik. He supposedly authored a book about how to train your dog to do his business in the toilet and then teach them how to flush. She fell for it. My father knew the GM.)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Veggo Nov 6, 2013 09:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have had 2 cats that learned how to do their #1 in a toilet, but they never got the flush part.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jrvedivici Nov 6, 2013 09:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sounds like my 15 year old son.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Veggo Nov 6, 2013 09:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Get him a litter box.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. Nov 6, 2013 09:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              One of my cousins trained her cat to do both in the toilet, but also not the flush part. This cat did.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Veggo Nov 6, 2013 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                One cool cat!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jrvedivici Nov 6, 2013 09:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ok, I don't know what to think about the fact I actually watched that video. However always being the skeptic that I am I have to say the following things;

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm a little disturbed by the lack of modesty the cat shows.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Also in the second video, where there is suddenly a toilet cover to the lid, when they scan down to the toilet water being flushed there is clearly toilet paper in the bowl. Are we the audience to believe the cat also wipes itself?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. Nov 6, 2013 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My guess is that the owner's put the TP on the surface of the water when they trained the cat. The way the cat is trained is that they put a plastic tray with kitty litter in the tray for the cat to use. They reduce the amount of kitty litter and replace it with TP. They eventually remove the tray and put the TP in the toilet bowl. So, after the people use the toilet, they put some TP in there because that's what the cat is used to. I've never tried to train a cat to do this, it seems like a lot of work. Although, it might be worth it to get rid of the litterbox. (We once had a cat that had 3 litterboxes, and still had trouble finding them. He got sent packing.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ratgirlagogo Nov 10, 2013 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I had friends that actually did succeed in training their two cats to use the toilet, although not to flush it. Leading to the reason they went back to using litterboxes - they were unable to train their DOG to stop drinking out of the toilet, no matter what she found in it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ratgirlagogo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        sunshine842 Nov 10, 2013 09:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        my cats used a box, but I was unable to ever convince the dog I had at the time that it wasn't labeled Kitty Roca.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I tried giving the cats the medicine that made the Roca taste bad, but it only slowed the consumption rate.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Current dog has no cats to sample.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 09:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh, I see. War of the Roses is not real, it's a skit, according to Wikipedia.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Nov 6, 2013 10:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Signs you've been on the Internet too long - you completely forget use The Google to confirm if something is real or fake.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That would be me. I hear the WotR every Thursday, and have never checked to confirm - I just figured it was! LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Until you mentioned it, I had no idea it wasn't just some little, local thing...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Fascinating, right? Thanks to John E for shedding some light on this.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E. Nov 6, 2013 10:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Guess what? If you are ever listening to the radio and they have a contest with prizes and give out an 800 telephone number, it's a nationwide contest, not a local one. Clear Channel stations have nationwide contests as do other corporate radio owners. (KDWB, Cities 97, KOOL 108, KFAN, and KTLK in the Twin Cities are all Clear Channel.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 08:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I want to know more about this deer prank thing. Please.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chemicalkinetics Nov 5, 2013 09:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Is this the one?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  HillJ Nov 6, 2013 06:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  While you mention that you have 'messed with my kids' on occasion, I wonder if the whole point is that pranks we do to our own children (safe pranks) are different than a prank pulled on someone else, or someone(s) we don't know at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not familiar with the swimming pool smells like peppermint but if your prank was harmless, perhaps we can give some slack to the Mom who pretended to take her daughter's Halloween candy away for 5 mins on camera. She'll probably send it into America's Funniest Home Video and win $10K! Plenty of pranks with tears on that show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chemicalkinetics Nov 6, 2013 06:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have watched Jimmy Halloween and Christmas pranks before. I think some of them are funny, and some of them made me uncomfortable. I don't dislike Jimmy, but his sense of humor is different than mine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      HillJ Nov 6, 2013 06:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't disagree. Some pranks are fun(ny) and some aren't. It's the nature of gags/pranks/setups. I don't know that I need to question a parent for participating in the JK gag when so many are willing to year to year. I wouldn't submit a video on tv for any reason..but there are people who do and think it's hilarious. At least this prank was 100% real.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This OP was based on believing the radio prank was true..only to find out it was a hoax, one the station played before. Is that funny for everyone listening..sure didn't seem like it at the time, probably not everyone thought the woman faking a letter on Halloween was fun(ny).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jrvedivici Nov 6, 2013 06:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Perhaps another way to look at this entire situation;

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You and I can debate till the day is long weather or not we thought it was funny or appropriate, however one thing that we can't argue about is, this "gag" has us, and much of the nation talking about this topic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Childhood obesity is a big problem which is not in my opinion getting the true attention it should. Well then again much of our problems aren't getting the attention they should, perhaps the Government should declare a "War on obesity". We all see how well the "War on Drug's" went, have we officially waived that white flag yet?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So to try and find a positive to this maybe the radio station just wanted to find away to bring some meaningful discussion to this topic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          HillJ Nov 6, 2013 06:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If that were true why not just have that conversation? Why use a hoax, a fake messenger? Why get the national news to cover a hoax because Jr, the only story that really got through that day was the nerve a woman from ND had to even suggest such a thing on Halloween.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Childhood obesity is no joke. I'm not debating the nature of the real topic. A radio station can have a real discussion, yes?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          What I learned 10/31 is that a hoax can be lifted by the associate press as real and reported to the country with the intention of grabbing headlines.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The actual conversation about childhood obesity deserves better.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jrvedivici Nov 6, 2013 07:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You actually danced around the answer yourself, sure they can have a discussion every day of the week, till they are blue in the face. But let me ask you this question, if they have the "discussion" on their normal show, is Matt Laurer going to do a story about their "discussion"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Unfortunately we live in a society where to get the people's attention you need to be outlandish, over the top, you need to grab the headline. The topic of childhood obesity is a HUGE problem, but it isn't until something like this happens does it get any of the attention it should receive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Again, I'm not saying this was their motivation, I sincerely doubt it was, but in my opinion at least it brought this topic to the surface where it belongs. Now that Halloween was over, how long till it submerges again?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              HillJ Nov 6, 2013 07:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Did I dance or did I support my pov that doesn't align with others? Either way, I'm cool with howl I felt over the OP headline and others that followed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It is up to the people to keep important topics on the surface. Power is where you put the most effort. The radio station won that day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jrvedivici Nov 6, 2013 08:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes you certainly supported your pov. My point is just as someone else commented, the first Lady Michele Obama has tried to tackle this issue head on in her capacity as First Lady.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                However with all her power and attention, even she has received far less attention to her efforts than this radio gag has. That's my only point, perhaps it's a dull one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 08:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think people are really sensitive right now to anything that smacks of bullying, which is why, I think, this letter has received so much attention.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 07:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              As I've said a couple of times upthread, Michelle Obama has really been trying to engage the public in a conversation about childhood obesity for awhile now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              One reason I think this letter hoax got so much attention is because of the heightened emphasis on bullying lately.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                HillJ Nov 6, 2013 07:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Good point, we didn't even address the bullying until we got to the JK gags which John E felt were sadistic, unkind, mean spirited acts by the kid's parents.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The conversation/education on some levels has been receiving attention it's the stats proving too many people are still struggling with obesity that hasn't changed enough.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 08:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think it's going to take a lot of years and a lot of education to see improvement in the stats, don't you? I think the problem is systemic, though, to be honest, I haven't done a lot of digging into the statistics.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  For instance, we're having a conversation locally about a food shelf that has recently announced that it will no longer accept junk "empty calorie" food. No pop, no potato chips, no candy, etc. Lots and lots of conversation happening about that right now.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ Nov 6, 2013 08:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Absolutely. Let's hope the First Lady and the next elected family keeps the money, resources and focus alive forever now that strides are really being made.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    At the local level is so important!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 08:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Here's a link to the story on the food shelf, ramen noodles, canned pasta, chips and other bagged salty snacks, candy, pop, baked goods are all among the items they are refusing: http://www.twincities.com/localnews/c...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But, when I was searching the newspaper's website for "junk food" I also got hits (dated 2013) such as, should there be restrictions on how junk food is marketed to kids (I guess the same way there is on cigarettes), should junk food be available in the vending machines in schools, should images of junk food be allowed in children's books, should there be a junk food tax, should you be able to buy junk food with food stamps, should junk food be available in hospitals,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And interestingly enough, a hit to an article on a junk food ban and tax that Mexico is considering enacting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And so on. There are so many facets to the issue...


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Chemicalkinetics Nov 6, 2013 07:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              <Childhood obesity is a big problem which is not in my opinion getting the true attention it should. >

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think this is what I was getting at. Gag or not. One parent or ten parents. I think our society or our nation need a honest debate about this. How much should the government take on this task or is this really our individual problem?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Too many people focused on this specific parent (gag), but this is not the most interesting aspect. The larger question is not about one parent wants to give out a note. The larger question is how to control child obesity, and how much each of us should get involved. Is it my business to tell you that you have a fat kid and you are abusing your child?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Everyone talks about we need to control it, but everyone basically also saying "But don't you try to talk about me or my child". This reminds me of the TSA thing. Everyone want a tighter airline safety inspection, except when it comes to themselves. They don't want to be patted down, scanned ....etc.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                HillJ Nov 6, 2013 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Since my brother is in the DEA I can vouch that the war on drugs that kills people, corrupts government and places harm to Fed Agents is a much stronger force than legalizing medical pot. So the war on drugs you describe is far larger than most of us understand and I would never be in the position to consider the wins a lost, wasteful one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chemicalkinetics Nov 6, 2013 08:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  <We all see how well the "War on Drug's" went, have we officially waived that white flag yet?>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  First, I am not sure if War on Drug was a complete lost. Second, we don't always have to look at War on Drug. We can look at the War on Smoking, which clearly have successful results. There are other examples to look at scuh as the Singapore's War on Mosquito.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ Nov 6, 2013 08:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Right now the war on water rights around the globe is interesting!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Veggo Nov 6, 2013 08:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Of all the reasons for war, water is among the most legitimate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Chemicalkinetics Nov 6, 2013 08:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        War FOR Water, right? War on Water will be too funny.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Nov 6, 2013 08:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            4X4 Nov 6, 2013 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's a dangerous substance that should be banned!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              HillJ Nov 6, 2013 04:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              too funny, yes of course you are right.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just spent a glorious day in Princeton NJ and at the earlier hour wasn't paying close enough attention, oops.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Have a good evening all!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I really enjoyed this thread.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Chemicalkinetics Nov 6, 2013 04:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                <I just spent a glorious day in Princeton NJ>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Princeton is so overrated. I dare you to come to Trentn.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  HillJ Nov 6, 2013 04:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  No dare needed I spend every summer in Trenton for the Special Olympics, my brother in law is a 30 year SO athlete.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Some great pizza in Trenton.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Some marvelous steaks, coffee, nutmeg ice cream and a chocolate souffle for my son in Princeton today.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. Nov 6, 2013 04:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My dad's neighbor in Minnesota is the retired fire chief from Elizabeth. He's been in Minnesota for about ten years. About five years ago there was a tornado in a Twin Cities suburb not too far away. This New Jersy guy went over there to volunteer the next day to help clean up the debris. He was turned away, they told him they had too many volunteers already. This was the day after Memorial day. He told my dad, "Back home, you can't even get your brother-in-law to help clean up". I'm sure things were not like that a year ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      HillJ Nov 6, 2013 04:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      No they weren't. In some parts of NJ volunteers are just beginning to rebuild their homes after suffering through the bulldozing:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      eta: send your Dad's neighbor back to NJ, he'll be welcome :) just a loaner.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            linguafood Nov 6, 2013 09:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Uh, yeah. The "war on drugs" *is* lost, and was lost from the start.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But like so many issues, it seems impossible to have a rational, fact-based discussion about alternatives.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And by that I mean where it matters. Certainly not on a food board.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. FoodWacky Nov 5, 2013 09:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My guess is that this woman will not be voted "Neighbor of the Year."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            HillJ Nov 5, 2013 09:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm no longer clear if this was a radio prank, a joke gone bad or the truth but it sure brought about some interesting conversation.

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