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  • Monica Oct 28, 2013 11:30 AM

I know that all of you love food but that comes with a painful price of gaining extra weight. For those of you who do care about your figure, what do you do to keep in shape?
I have been on 5:2 diet and lost like 30 lbs after I had my 2nd baby.
I did gain some back recently..i think it's mainly because of the seasonal change. My appetite goes way up during fall and winter.
My cousin lost 51 lbs exactly as of yesterday by not eating refined sugar and all other white stuff that are supposely bad for you.

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  1. Treadmill.

    1. Portion control. No or low carbs during the day at least 5 days a week. I have always been a regular exerciser but it doesn't keep the weight off as you get older.

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      1. re: rockandroller1

        Portion control def. I'm an older broad and if I didn't move my arse, even a petite gal like me, would put on pounds. I swim, bike and walk, I use to play tennis. I also feel it keeps me stronger of mind & spirit to keep watch of my weight.

        1. re: rockandroller1

          That's pretty much my plan. I'm in my late 40s now, and I find I can't eat like I did even 3 or 4 years ago without the weight creeping on, daily workouts notwithstanding.

        2. I am struggling to lose weight right now. I have found that regular, daily exercise is very effective, as is avoiding 'white' food. Really, I am just watching every bite right now, and exercising most days, and it's working. I am avoiding gimmicks (not eating white food is a simple way of saying I am trying to eat only nutritionally dense food).

          1. In a mirror.

            When the government stopped paying me to exercise, I gained and have maintained an additional 30 pounds.

            But when I go cruising on my boat, the daily swimming and light meals result in a reduction of 25 to 40 pounds in as little as 3 weeks. Eating all that fish I guess.

            That is correct. I occasionally weigh less at 58 years than when I was 35.

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            1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

              yah, i've got that nasty dresser mirror that stares back at me every morning when i get up. oh the horror, is all that me? who put a fun house mirror in my bedroom?

              and im not just being snarky, if that doesn't affect how much i chow-down on, not much will.

              1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                <When the government stopped paying me to exercise, I gained ....>

                Really?

                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                  Really. I have never liked exercise. Swim team in high school was pure drudgery. 2 to 5 mile runs 5 days a week in the military were a total bore. And I was the one to set the route and the pace.

                  In a related vein, I stopped jumping out of perfectly good aircraft when the government stopped paying me to do that.
                  A friend the former navy diver spent 3 weeks in the crystal clear water of the Bahamas and only went skin diving once.

                  I am so happy I stopped gaining at only 205 pounds, while so many have gotten quite large. With replacement knees and hips.

              2. i did weight watchers for about 6 years, but I just can't live my life keep that kind of watch every day. I'm now working to find the balance between maintaining a weight I'm happy with and actually living! I just got a new phone which has an app for tracking exercise and calorie intake. I've found a workout routine I like and I'm walking on the treadmill more. SO, we'll see how all that works out! :)

                1. Low carb 90% of the time, plus some exercise (weight lifting, mostly). I was a fat kid and I've never been what anyone would call thin, but I have managed to maintain 60 or so pounds of an 80 pound weight loss for almost 15 years, and my weight generally hovers near BMI 25 (the top of the "healthy" range). I'd love to lose those 20 lbs I regained, and even another 20 on top of that, but given how much I love to cook and eat, I don't think that's going to happen.

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                  1. re: biondanonima

                    I am also in the low carb nearly 90-95% of the time, not as a weight loss strategy but as a preference. I've never really liked many carb-y foods or at least not in any great quantity. Mom always was astounded when I left my rice and pasta on the plate and asked for more meat and veggies. I also am a pretty diligent weightlifter, mostly powerlifting.

                  2. so the low carb is the way to go....at least in US.

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                    1. re: Monica

                      I disagree. Carbs are important - as long as they are complex carbs from veggies, whole grains and fruits. It's refined carbs (sugar, white flours) that are the problem.

                      I have lost a lot of weight easily eating everything I want except most refined carbs.

                      I tried the High Metabolism diet that most of my friends were on - I lasted a week. I could eat tomatoes on Tuesday but not Thursday; broccoli but not cauliflower. It was expensive (everything had to be organic), I was hungry and thinking about food all the time. And no caffeine. Some days were about 700 calories.

                      Weight Watchers works and allows for all kinds of food and combinations, but they have become so tied to sponsored fast food joints and processed foods that it can be actually hard to find something simple like points for scallops.

                      Has anyone tried the My Fitness Pal or Lose it apps? Do you like them. Do they work for you?

                      1. re: chicgail

                        Carbs are not important at all in human biology, but that doesn't mean they cannot hold a place in a diet that works for you individually.

                        The only two essentials in human nutrtition are proteins and fats, everything else can be made by our bodies or obtained elsewhere.

                        1. re: mcf

                          How about Vitamin C?

                          1. re: GH1618

                            Fresh meat, organ meat. Only dried or preserved meat hasn't adequate levels. And studies found that meat improved C levels best.

                            1. re: mcf

                              And I will barge in to add that for those of us who struggling with low blood iron/related anemia, the combo of Vitamin C and the heme iron in organ meat is a HUGE boon.

                              Those of you advised by your docs to take iron supplements are probably advised, like me, what to take them "with" to help absorption. Most folks are told orange juice, because the Vit C facilitates the iron getting into the blood.

                              1. re: mcf

                                But is it a protein or a fat?

                            2. re: mcf

                              Fat burns in a carbohydrate flame. And since your brain cells can only metabolize glucose molecules, I would want some carbs in my life. Short term ketoacidosis (where your body breaks down proteins to turn them into carbs) can be effective, but it's heck on your liver.

                              1. re: autumm

                                There's so much wrong with that it's hard to know what to say.

                                Fat is burnt more when carbs are not available and ketosis and ketoacidosis are two completely different things. Ketosis is a healhy and necessary state that preserves lean body mass, whereas carby diets promote excess fat storage.

                                Ketoacidosis happens if you have very high glucose (caused by too much carb) and no adequate insulin producing pancreatic function or exogenous insulin on board, a very extreme condition avoided even by type 1 diabetics if they eat wisely. Fat and protein don't raise glucose so ketogenic dieting is the best way for type 1s to go, and also to avoid the damage caused by hyperinsulinemia. There is a type 1 diabetic posting on these boards who safely maintains very normal glucose levels by eating low carb.

                                Fatty liver is caused by excess glucose, from excess carbs, which is stored as fatty acids and promote liver damage.

                              2. re: mcf

                                [Quote] "Carbs are not important at all in human biology, but that doesn't mean they cannot hold a place in a diet that works for you individually.

                                The only two essentials in human nutrition are proteins and fats, everything else can be made by our bodies or obtained elsewhere."
                                [/Quote]

                                I don't know who sold you that load of bunk, but it is totally WRONG.

                                "We all know or hear that we need carbohydrate in our diet, but why? A "zero carb diet" is not only difficult to achieve, it's not sustainable because it's not great for your body."

                                Here's the link. http://www.eatbalanced.com/why-eat-ba...

                                1. re: PotatoHouse

                                  That's not accurate, nor is it anything but a pop opinion piece.

                                  Humans live well and thrive on zero carb diets. Human die without adequate fat or protein. We can get or manufacture what carbs provide, but not what proteins and fat provide.

                                  Biochemistry, not puffery.

                                  1. re: PotatoHouse

                                    Of course that website tells you to eat carbs... they sell pizza.

                                2. re: chicgail

                                  Carbs are important to me. I'd guess that around 65-75 percent of my calorie intake come from carbs lately. I don't eat many refined carbs, and I've cut out most processed foods, so most of my carbs arrive in the form of bread, potatoes, rice, legumes, nuts ( I realize nuts are also a protein and fat source), fruits or vegetables.

                                  I tend to feel ill and sluggish if I'm not getting some grains, fruits and vegetables each day. I also don't fall asleep easily or sleep well if I cut out carbs and dairy completely.

                                  I weigh in at least 3 times a week, and keep track of my exercise, food intake, weight and measurements through myfitnesspal.

                                  1. re: prima

                                    I eat a huge amount of carbs by volume (picture a dinner plate mounded with sauteed spinach, salad greens, roasted cauliflower or gratin) with a substantial serving of protein, usually from a grass fed, pastured or wild caught critter. So if you look at my plate, is'a bout 75% carbs. If you look at my calorie breakdown, due to the absence of starches, it's only about 15% at most, of my daily caloric intake.

                                    1. re: mcf

                                      I think you and I are quite similar mcf, well I've thought that for a while. My plate is covered in a mound of veggies next to a mound of meat as it always has been - veggies usually being spinach, asparagus, mushrooms, among others.

                                      1. re: fldhkybnva

                                        And cauliflower, rutabaga, turnips, broccoli, spaghetti squash, summer squashes, chayote. Moving into roasted veggie season, from summer grilled veggies plus salad at every meal.

                                  2. re: chicgail

                                    I have used My Fitness Pal, and actually like it. It really made me think about everything that I put in my mouth, so I would look at the calories I had left for the day and then decide if it was really worth it. I would usually add in my fitness activity in the morning (also a motiviation to go, since my calorie intake increased with activity) and then add the food as I went.

                                    I found it user friendly and was able to find most thing already pre-loaded. What I don't know is how accurate those numbers really were. At the end of the day, it really made me more conscious of what I put in my pie hole!!

                                    1. re: chicgail

                                      Funny, the way you describe how you felt on the HM diet describes how I felt during my fairly brief stint with WW. I was hungry. All. The. Fucking. Time.

                                      Never again.

                                      1. re: chicgail

                                        The my fitness pal app is a pain to get all your info and most commonly eaten foods but it works if you work it- great for self accountability for a short period of time IMO much longer it could make you crazy....

                                    2. At home i make plant based meals that include lots of dark leafy greens, whole grains, legumes, and seasonal produce. I limit drinks and wine to weekends. I work out 5-6xs a week including several spin classes. And when i go out with friends i enjoy myself with an eye on portions.
                                      Snacks are fresh fruit, veggies, and a protein (ie an apple with almond butter, dry roasted chickpeas and carrots, nonfat plain greek yogurt with berries)
                                      I could never sustain the latest diet or food fad and have found this works best for me.

                                      1. I calorie count. Womp womp womp, I know I'm no fun.
                                        But it does work!

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                                        1. re: OhioHound

                                          Me too. Not every day, but enough. It is drudgery, but I much prefer the way I look and feel and function now, as opposed to 60+ pounds ago.

                                          FYI I now hear "womp womp" in my head every time I open my calorie counting app. Thanks for that ;-)

                                          1. re: OhioHound

                                            I almost fell off my chair laughing at the womp womp womp sound. Just caught that now.

                                          2. Yoga and poverty.

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                                            1. re: small h

                                              Except you are not in poverty.

                                            2. I watch myself in the mirror like this:

                                              https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/im...

                                              Denial is the best remedy.

                                              1. Eliminate added sugar in all its forms.

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                                                1. re: GH1618

                                                  Nope. I'm a baker and could never live like that. I watch how MUCH of it I eat - but to me, life is way too short to live with such unpleasant restrictions. I just work out a lot and work hard to eat right most of the time.

                                                2. With trepidation :-D

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                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                    funny!!

                                                  2. 3 days a week of 2 miles on the indoor track and weight training.

                                                    1. Low carb and as clean eating as possible. If I want to actually shed a few pounds I go very low carb/ ketogenic and the weight falls off fast.

                                                      I'll be cleaning off the top of the treadmill now that the weather is changing and I'll be outside less.

                                                      1. I try to calorie count as much as possible for most of my meals. I don't eliminate anything from my diet, though. Pasta, bread, sugar, they're all part of it. I just don't, for example, eat a huge bowl of ice cream every night. If I'm ordering a simple sandwich from a deli, I will chose the whole grain bread instead of white, but if I go to brunch (which is rare) and that croissant is staring at me, I eat it. I went to a Halloween party this past weekend with all types of home made goodies. Meatballs, buffalo chicken dip, onion dip, tater tots with some amazing mango habanero dip, and I had a nice big plate. These occasions don't happen every day for me, so when they do, I indulge. It's all a balancing act.

                                                        For exercise, I run every Saturday and Sunday morning and during the week I get on my elliptical 4 nights, but only for 10 minutes, seriously.

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                                                        1. re: SaraAshley

                                                          You must be young(ish). Seriously '-)

                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                            I'm 28, but still, what I described with my big plate of party food this past weekend, 5 years ago I could've had that 3 times a day and not gained a pound, not the case anymore. In the past few years I've watched my weight creep up little by little (although I'll admit I've never been over weight). I started taking more control with the calorie counting and I added the elliptical into my exercise routine and I've lost 10 lbs in the past year.

                                                            1. re: SaraAshley

                                                              I want to watch too. (Veggo buddy, what are we watching again?)

                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                Haha yeah, I'm kinda wondering, too!

                                                            2. re: linguafood

                                                              Actually, I'm 40 and I what I do is similar to Sara. Vaguely calorie count, try to make wise food decisions, portion control. But I do indulge on occasion. If I go to a good restaurant I order whatever the heck I'm really craving.

                                                              I do exercise a lot more than Sara, though, but by no means am a gym rat. I lost almost 60 lbs six years ago, went from a size 14 to a 4. Knock on wood, I've kept most of the weight off. If I notice things starting to get a bit tight, I crack down for a bit.

                                                              1. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                That's a huge weight loss! Congratulations!

                                                                1. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                  Right.

                                                                  I was mostly referring to the "exercise" regimen of 10 min. a day, four times a week. That's not going to have *any* impact on weight loss or maintenance -- likely not even for a 20 yr. old.

                                                                  Exercise for weight loss is hugely overrated/overestimated. Much more important what you put (or don't put) in your mouth.

                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                    10 min a day burns like what...30-50 calories?

                                                                    1. re: linguafood

                                                                      Yeah, I don't do the elliptical for 10 minutes a day, 4 days a week for any sort of substantial calorie burning. Each time I am only burning 75 calories. But even with that little amount of time, you can still benefit from the toning effects, and that's what I do it for. You'd be surprised at how great using the elliptical in the backwards motion is at lifting the booty! :)

                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                        But 10 minutes a day, four times a week is better than none at all! I think sometimes people get in such a "all or nothing" mindset when it comes to being healthy.
                                                                        I'm all about baby steps when it comes to improving health, whether that be with exercise regimens or eating habits.

                                                                        You go, Sara!

                                                                        1. re: OhioHound

                                                                          Oh, sure. Moving around is always good. But nobody is going to lose even an ounce of weight with 10 min./day 4 times a week.

                                                                          But given her food habits, it doesn't appear to be necessary to work out more than she does at this point.

                                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                                            That's right. According to Dr. Lustig, you need a day of mountain biking to work off a Big Mac.

                                                                            1. re: GH1618

                                                                              That sounds a bit over the top. A Big Mac has, what -- 650+ calories? You *can* work that off in an hour, but it would have to be a pretty high intensity workout (like kickboxing, for example, or squash).

                                                                              1. re: linguafood

                                                                                You could be right. CalorieLab has an hour of mountain biking approximately equivalent to a Big Mac. I'll have to review his lecture to see what he actually claimed. But his point was that it is hard work to compensate for overeating.

                                                                                1. re: GH1618

                                                                                  Dr. Lustig did say ten hours of mountain biking for a Big Mac (after the one hour and ten minute mark). It was an off-the-cuff remark and apparently an exaggeration. He didn't have any charts for that.

                                                                                  1. re: GH1618

                                                                                    Well, over a day or a week I'm sure doing a minimum amount of exercise isn't going to give you much results, but measure it over a year, and I believe it does amount to something.

                                                                                  2. re: GH1618

                                                                                    Word.

                                                                                    And yet, there are plenty of people who are surprised that they're not losing weight even though they "walk 30 min./day" but change nothing about their eating habits.

                                                                                    1. re: linguafood

                                                                                      Agreed. It's a simple formula. Calories in/Calories out.

                                                                                      1. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                        I'd like to believe that our bodies a lot more complex than that.

                                                                                        1. re: Monica

                                                                                          For long-term health, yes. For weight control, for the vast majority of individuals, no.

                                                                                        2. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                          In engines, yeah, in hormonally determined human metabolism, NOT.

                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                            MCF - could you please clarify? Please know that I'm not saying this with any snark, but am genuinely interested.

                                                                                            1. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                              I'm saying that hormones in humans determine the fate of calories and whether they're burnt or stored, and that machines don't have hormones.

                                                                                              For instance, a gram of fat has about twice the calories of carbs or protein, but does not stimulate secretion of fat storage hormone nor raise blood glucose, hence fat calories matter less, which accounts for numerous studies finding that low carb dieters lose much more weight than low fat dieters on much higher calories

                                                                                              Between protein and carbs, all the carbs you eat stimulate fat storage hormone post meal, and raise blood glucose rapidly. Only about 58% of protein converts to glucose, it satiates so you're less hungry and eat less, and it converts slowly, keeping you from hunger for hours, and does not raise blood sugar.

                                                                                              Foods have profound hormonal effects that make "calories in, calories out" improper when defining human metabolism.

                                                                                              Of course, calories matter, but different types of calories matter differently. And their effects also vary highly from person to person for many reasons, some hereditary, environmental, etc.

                                                                                              1. re: mcf

                                                                                                Interesting, and sounds reasonable. I guess I'll rephrase it as "quality calories in/calories out for ME is what works."

                                                                                          2. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                            You can lose weight one of two ways. You can calorie restrict which is basically controlled starvation or you can learn about what different kinds of food do in your body and teach it to use fat for fuel and to not store it. The latter is more muscle sparing. All calories are NOT created equally.

                                                                                            1. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                              I COMPLETELY agree that not all calories are created equally, which is why you have to be wise with the calories that you choose. The calories in high protein, high fiber foods keep you fuller much longer. So you need to be thoughtful about the "calories in" part.

                                                                                              1. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                                Exactly. People forget that digestion is imperfect. Look at pandas and elephants. We don't metabolize every calorie we consume... unless it's in the form of highly refined carbohydrates. You could eat 3,000 calories worth of carrots. but half of those calories or more are not processed by your body and will wind up in your eliminations. Not to mention the calories burned just by chewing so much roughage. Contrast that with drinking soda or juices. Instant sugar spike.

                                                                                                1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                  If those carrots are cooked, I can tell you that most diabetics will experience a very strong blood sugar spike from them, out of all proportion to their calories. Often happens with tomatoes, too, even raw.

                                                                                                  Raw carrots have a much lower effect on blood sugar.

                                                                                                  1. re: mcf

                                                                                                    You are right, I was thinking of raw carrots when I posted, cooking will affect how we process the carrots or even making a juice out of it. Many times, processing food makes it too easy to access calories from the food, or in the case of "processed food", they are mostly composed of sugars and refined carbohydrates like flour that give rapidly metabolized calories.

                                                                                    2. re: GH1618

                                                                                      Walking a mile burns approx 80 calories while jogging a mile burns 108. Or was it 120.

                                                                                      In another words, one bite of food = one mile.

                                                                                      So... I just try not to eat sometimes lol. I find it easier to just do a liquid fast. Also makes me feel better, like I completely "empty" in a way.....

                                                                                      Trying not to be gross >.<

                                                                                  3. re: OhioHound

                                                                                    Thank you, OhioHound!

                                                                                2. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                  wow...14 to 4...that's amazing..congrats!

                                                                                  1. re: Monica

                                                                                    Thanks, Monica. It was a real struggle at first because I hadn't realized just how bad my eating habits had become. I was always pretty slim, but that went out the window when I met my husband. We were making unhealthy choices and I was trying to keep up with the portions my husband was eating.

                                                                                    Now that it's been a few years, it's really gotten pretty easy. I really think that unless there's a genetic or medical issue, anyone can do it.

                                                                                    1. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                      Wonderful to read :). A close friend of mine, once she got together with her partner, went from an moderately overweight couple to an severely obese couple in 3 years (I'm basing all that on BMI). Unfortunately for them they are too proud and too lazy to change.

                                                                                      I'm a size 6 but was probably a 4 ten years ago. May have even been 6 years ago. So I'm trying to get back to that, it's definitely inspiring to read your accomplishment!

                                                                                3. re: linguafood

                                                                                  Yes she is, look at her Icon.....

                                                                                  1. re: gingershelley

                                                                                    Well, that doesn't necessarily have to be she. I am not a raw egg, either :-D

                                                                                    1. re: linguafood

                                                                                      Hahahaha that's a raw egg!!! I guess I never zoomed on it before I just assumed it was some kind of logo!!!

                                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                                        Lol, it's me! :) I wasn't clever enough for anything better.

                                                                                  2. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                    That sounds like balanced approach. But why do you need to count calories if you don't need to lose weight?

                                                                                  3. Breastfeeding actually burns a lot of calories. Also, I find fidgeting keeps my weight down. Also taking stairs instead of elevators and not resting on the escalators. It's not exactly P90x but it's not too difficult to do.

                                                                                    1. Low carb after breakfast, six days a week to lose, five days a week to maintain.

                                                                                      1. Well, I watch my figure my looking into a mirror and my balance, and I try my best not to have get pregnant.

                                                                                        Seriously, I think one of the best thing is to eat normally. Don't eat snack and do not eat food in between meals. Just eat as much as you need, and don't eat more than that.

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                                                                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                          Agree - look at the French; really - those who eat traditionally are typically NOT overweight; small (very!) small breakfast, decent lunch, including wine at least sometimes, then a long stretch to dinner W/O snacking is the norm. Then big dinner - eaten late!

                                                                                          How does that work? Excercise is a natural part of the routine; walk to do errands, eat in balance, relax and enjoy your food in good company, and don't eat too much!

                                                                                          1. re: gingershelley

                                                                                            Yeah see I think that is what we North Americans lack--the moving part. Oh sure we get into exercise crazes; treadmills, spinning classes, etc. But we don't make natural exercise a part of our everyday life. Except New Yorkers. When I lived in Manhattan, I couldn't help but walk my ass off. Most of the overweight people there were tourists. Now that I live in Southern CA, I have to work harder at incorporating walking and biking into my daily routines.

                                                                                            1. re: globocity

                                                                                              It's a very big country and many US residents don't live in cities where it's easiest to walk to get where you want to go, generally speaking. I live in a semi-rural area and no, it's not possible for me to walk to work, to the grocery store, to run my son to his activities etc. The only real possibility for regular excercise for me is going to the gym or taking long walks. And it's hardly a "craze" for many people who work out at gyms - it's a regular part of their lives and has been for a long time.

                                                                                              1. re: flourgirl

                                                                                                I think it can be easier to make excuses to not walk then it is to find opportunities to do so.
                                                                                                Look, I also lived in Phoenix for 15 years. The summers there are brutal. From childhood through adulthood, I walked or biked pretty regularly from place to place. Even when the temperatures, sundown, were in the 100s. Not to mention Phoenix is pretty spread out so getting to a store was not easy but we'd still make walking a daily habit.

                                                                                                CrossFit, Boot Camps, Barre method are crazes.

                                                                                                1. re: globocity

                                                                                                  Phoenician here. I said either up or down thread that my method of figure watching is running. Since this is such a car dependant city, I drive to the park for my run. But 5 months or so out of the year, it's the treadmill in my guestroom. Music is easy to download and heatstroke is not something I care to experience ;)

                                                                                        2. I lost 50ish lbs by mainly doing portion control and calorie counting. I'm 5'3" so 50lbs resulted in going from a 16 to an 8, and I now am in the "normal" BMI category. I don't do low carb or anything, but I learned real quick that I can have a larger portion of what I like (ie meat) if I eat less starch/grains. I rarely eat stuff like sandwiches that involve eating bread. I also feel fuller if I eat protein and fiber vs carbs. I don't really exercise, so it's all about what I put in my mouth.

                                                                                          Even now that I'm maintaining, I still watch my portions when I have control over them. I still don't have great self control at a restaurant... I know folks that say "Oh I just eat half and take the rest home"... yeah that's not me, I eat the whole thing. I also order what looks good, vs what I think is the healthiest option. But, I don't eat out that often and I try to keep my calories lower on other days to compensate for days when we eat out. I do still struggle with sweets, but as long as I don't keep them in the house I do OK (working on self control at work!).

                                                                                          Lastly, I hate to say it, but I cut my alcohol consumption down drastically. When I was big, it was no big deal to drink a half to a full bottle of wine a night, or drink 5 cocktails while out with friends. Now I have a glass or two of wine if we're eating out, and a few beers or a cocktail or two when at the bar. I also switched to less caloric mixers, like doing plain soda instead of sprite or cranberry juice. I also don't drink much when at home, since that's when a lot of mindless drinking can happen. When I first started tracking what I was putting in my mouth, I was shocked at how many calories I drank.... a bottle of wine has around 600 calories.

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                                                                                          1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                            Guess my booze will need to go as well :(
                                                                                            thanks for the helpful post.

                                                                                            1. re: NanaMoussecurry

                                                                                              Shockingly, alcohol doesn't impact my weight by much. When I first went on Weight Watchers I called it "European Weight Watchers" in that I didn't count any drink points. However, I did cut out most juices and sweet drinks and stuck to wine, beer, and an occasional martini. But I do know that alcohol impacts a lot of people's weight.

                                                                                              1. re: NanaMoussecurry

                                                                                                Great handle, Nana! Brings back some fond memories of listening to my mom's record collection.

                                                                                                I refuse to give up wine and as I've gotten older, like most everyone, eating and drinking with abandon take a toll. I chalk it up to being French in a previous life.

                                                                                              2. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                I cut down the number of nights I drink, but also basically let the alcohol serve as any "carb" I'm having that night, which has helped a lot. I had an enormous amount of wine last night, but dinner was two very small chicken thighs cooked with tomatoes and nothing else but the wine.

                                                                                                1. re: rockandroller1

                                                                                                  that's funny because that's exactly what I am having tonight..though my chicken stew is made with tomatoes, kale, white beans, carrots and wine.

                                                                                                  1. re: Monica

                                                                                                    You realize tomatoes, kale, white beans and carrots mostly provide you with carbohydrate and water, right? The white beans add some protein and wee bit of fat, but mostly, they're adding carbs to your dinner. http://fatsecret.com/calories-nutriti...

                                                                                                    1. re: prima

                                                                                                      I am always reminded of a WW meeting years ago when someone was complaining that they were having trouble measuring carrots (or maybe it was that they couldn't figure out the right amount of carrots to eat or something like that). The leader said "stop worrying so much about the carrots. Nobody is here because they are eating too many carrots".

                                                                                                      1. re: valerie

                                                                                                        That's hilarious.

                                                                                                        1. re: valerie

                                                                                                          Agree that nobody is likely to end up at WW due to too many carrots.

                                                                                                          I'm not worried about the carrots, although too many white beans could certainly lead to weight gain. I think it's interesting when people mention their healthy low carb/no carb dinners that are made of protein and carbs. Sure, chicken, kale and bean stew is likely to be lower carb than lasagna or pizza, but a significant amount of calories in a chicken, kale and bean stew are still going to come from carbs.

                                                                                                          1. re: prima

                                                                                                            And the wine...carbs.

                                                                                                            1. re: valerie

                                                                                                              Dry red wine, very few per 5 oz. Less than 4 gms. And those of us who test know that it strongly prevents a blood sugar rise post meal.

                                                                                                              1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                This is very interesting. Do you have a link describing that effect in more detail?

                                                                                                                1. re: davis_sq_pro

                                                                                                                  I think it's probably discussed as part of what's called "The French Paradox." And in tons of research, This one came up on google: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/...

                                                                                                                  "Conclusion:In realistic settings, alcoholic beverage consumption lowers postprandial glycemia by 16–37%, which represents an unrecognized mechanism by which alcohol may reduce the risk of chronic disease."

                                                                                                                  *Moderate* alchohol consumption has been discussed as lowering CVD risk for as many years as I can recall. My guess would be that its metabolism in the liver prevents it from producing glucose post meal or converting excess to triglycerides, the most predictove lipid marker for heart disease risk.

                                                                                                            2. re: prima

                                                                                                              I watched a show documenting morbidly obese a few years back. The doctor was explaining about how the patient complained "but all I eat is oranges."
                                                                                                              "But every time he eats oranges, he eats a whole carton. 3000 calories of oranges is still 3000 calories"

                                                                                                              1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                That's true to some extent, but not entirely. Right now I'm not obese, but I'm heavier than I like to be due to medications I'm taking. But at one time I was, no other word for it, just fat. I took it off with a very low carb diet and weight lifting. At no point did I ever concern myself with calories -- just carbs.

                                                                                                                I shed 80 lbs. in about five months.

                                                                                                                1. re: JonParker

                                                                                                                  Nice! Well this show did document people that were minimum 500 lbs. I doubt even at your heaviest you broke 2k calories a day.

                                                                                                                  Ok. Maybe 2500. But probably not in one sitting, let alone several times a day.

                                                                                                              2. re: prima

                                                                                                                "Sure, chicken, kale and bean stew is likely to be lower carb than lasagna or pizza, but a significant amount of calories in a chicken, kale and bean stew are still going to come from carbs."

                                                                                                                So putting aside the caloric and carbohydrate consequences, I think replacing things like pizza and lasgna with a chicken, kale, and bean stew is a step in the right direction.

                                                                                                                1. re: globocity

                                                                                                                  I agree that chicken, kale and bean stew are probably a step in the right direction.

                                                                                                                  My point is that it seems some Chowhounds don't realize that beans and vegetables are mostly carbohydrate.

                                                                                                        2. re: rockandroller1

                                                                                                          Added benefit of not eating carbs if you're having alcohol - it takes WAY less booze to get you where you want to be!

                                                                                                          1. re: biondanonima

                                                                                                            Which means I can't stand more than half a glass of wine. I get too easily buzzed and I hate feeling buzzed/high!

                                                                                                            1. re: biondanonima

                                                                                                              And the flip side of that, it takes WAY less booze to give you the kind of hangover where you swear up and down to never drink again. It's a lot rougher when you can't devour carbs and orange juice to ease the pain!

                                                                                                              1. re: JungMann

                                                                                                                Hangovers are exceptional situations. Exceptional situations demand for greasy carbs and gatorade.

                                                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                  Nothing better than a morning-after fried egg sandwich with extra butter. :)

                                                                                                                  1. re: biondanonima

                                                                                                                    Or a grilled cheese with lots of sharp cheddar.

                                                                                                                    1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                      Or a grilled cheese with lots of sharp cheddar... And a runny fried egg on top. And some bacon in there, and maybe a slice or two of grilled tomato.

                                                                                                                      Hell, I don't even need a hangover; let's do this right now.

                                                                                                                      1. re: davis_sq_pro

                                                                                                                        I'm in.

                                                                                                        3. Treadmill...golf...swimming...
                                                                                                          hiking...drumming.
                                                                                                          Sometimes, I need a rocket launcher in my arse to get me moving.

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                                                                                                          1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                            Matched,or traditional grip ?

                                                                                                            1. re: emglow101

                                                                                                              M41...traditional grip..8 magazine/2 rocket.
                                                                                                              Jane's Defence approved.

                                                                                                          2. In a mirror or someone's eyes. I try to keep track of my carbs, but I'm not religious about

                                                                                                            1. With increasing dismay. I figure that in years to come, a combination of lack of edible food and climate change will melt the pounds away (and then some) anyway, so why not gorge while I have the chance?

                                                                                                              Wish I could say I was kidding... :(

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                                                                                                              1. re: annagranfors

                                                                                                                Yep, when we are dodging cannibals and siphoning gasoline out of rusted cars on the crumbling highways, we'll look back on this time of cheap subsidized calories as a golden age.

                                                                                                                To answer the OP, I drink a lot of water, don't eat between meals, and lackadaisically go to the gym.

                                                                                                              2. My figure sticks out so far, it's easy to watch.

                                                                                                                1. My weight has stayed within the same five pound range for most of my adult life (the exception would be when I was pregnant).

                                                                                                                  I've noticed that my body seems to have an internal mechanism that regulates my weight. When I've gained a few pounds usually following the holidays or when we travel to a place like France, the body clocks in and my appetite contracts and after a few weeks I'm back to the average weight despite no real change to the diet or exercise.

                                                                                                                  I think it does help that my regular diet is heavy on fruits and vegetables with small and infrequent meat portions. I generally only drink alcohol when we're entertaining or dining out. And I rarely eat between meals. This probably explains why I've never had a weight problem despite loving cheese and being an accomplished baker.

                                                                                                                  1. Running, elliptical, self-control (sometimes).

                                                                                                                    It's tough. Not only do I love food, but I sit in an office all day every day staring at a computer screen. I'm sure many here have the same story. Unfortunately our bodies were not made for this. I've asked my employer for a treadmill setup for a walking desk but it's not cheap, the company is rather conservative, and so far my requests have been met with relatively little support.

                                                                                                                    My weight definitely goes up and down a bit depending on what's happening. If I have a packed schedule the workouts are usually the first (easiest) thing to be jettisoned. And once I get out of the habit, it can be extremely difficult to get back in.

                                                                                                                    At the moment I'm on an upswing - 3 months of 4+ mile runs five days a week. Down 15 pounds. Still need to watch what I eat even with the exercise -- pizza, for example, seems to just kill my progress for a full week. And here comes the colder weather and holiday season, so we'll see what happens next...

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                                                                                                                    1. re: davis_sq_pro

                                                                                                                      There were many people at my last job who used excersize balls to sit on instead of office chairs- a far cry from a treadmill desk, but it does force you to use more muscles to stabalize yourself

                                                                                                                      1. re: Ttrockwood

                                                                                                                        The first thing that popped into my head is miley Cyrus....

                                                                                                                    2. Low carb.

                                                                                                                      1. I eat reasonable portions of whatever I want, and I run several miles every morning when I get up (weekends off).

                                                                                                                        1. While I didn't exactly win the genetic lottery (professional athlete, supermodel, etc.), I got something of a genetic consolation prize. All throughout my 20's I ate whatever I wanted, didn't exercise, and maintained a size 8 at an above-average height. Now well into my 30's I'm a size or two larger, but still eat whatever I want and don't really exercise. I know, I'm hateful.

                                                                                                                          1. Swim, run, yoga, core exercises, hike, walk, bike, SUP.

                                                                                                                            I like "real" food, and try to eat things in the whole form (no egg white omelets for me!). I rarely eat any highly processed food.

                                                                                                                            Mostly I eat to my appetite. I do weigh myself every few days, mostly just a confirmation of why I have been extra hungry or not.

                                                                                                                            1. Go primal for food, lots of pull ups, push ups weights Plenty of walking and one day a week of sprints.

                                                                                                                              1. After realizing that low carb is the key to successful weight loss, I vowed not to eat to too much carbs during weekdays. (I have to eat my bread on weekends)

                                                                                                                                so this morning, i went to visit my mom and she had a bagel toasted with peanut butter and strawberry jam(i know but it's really delicious)...i really couldn't resist as i LOVE bagel. then I came to work and there is a cake sitting infront of me...i had to have a slice..so there! i can't win...

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                                                                                                                                1. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                  My daily breakfast is usually two eggs with whatever dark leafy green vegetable I have in the house. Cooked in grass fed butter.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                    Monica just wondering-- what makes you think low carb is the key to successful weight loss? It certainly seems to have worked for many people on this thread, but everybody and every body are different and what's best for me (or someone else) is not necessarily what's best for you. *You* may not have to eschew carbs to lose weight.

                                                                                                                                    This is an extreme (and unhealthy) example but I once lost almost 50 lbs eating 1500 calories a day and consuming virtually no protein or fat, just carbs, mostly in the form of sugar!

                                                                                                                                    1. re: ohmyyum

                                                                                                                                      I used to do that, too. Til my metabolism broke.

                                                                                                                                      But you make a good point; there are certainly people in the world who live long, healthy lives eating grains and sugars. It may not be optimal, but if you feel and live well on it, who cares? Genes, life style, environmental exposures, are some of the things that determine how well you can do on various diets.

                                                                                                                                      Your body, your science experiment. :-)

                                                                                                                                      1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                        mcf it wasn't a good experiment! I had an eating disorder and ended up significantly underweight. It astounds me that some people regularly consume fewer calories than I did when I had anorexia. (I also had a problem with compulsive exercise so my caloric expenditure still greatly exceeded my intake, but that's besides the point). My point was that there are individual differences and that a diet high in carbs and sugar does not necessarily preclude weight loss.

                                                                                                                                        For the record, I did not feel well or live well on that "diet." I feel well and live well NOW, consuming 3000kcal on a high protein, high fat (but not low carb) meal plan.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: ohmyyum

                                                                                                                                          I'm sorry, I failed to connect your point to your eating disorder in my reply.

                                                                                                                                          I was responding to the fact that yeah, you can get away with it up until you can't, and that doesn't mean it's good for you.

                                                                                                                                          The rest of my reply really is not responsive to your individual situation, definitely.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                            No worries I didn't mention it in my post and I didn't take offense. I just wanted to clarify that I wouldn't recommend that method!

                                                                                                                                          2. re: ohmyyum

                                                                                                                                            So glad you have recovered :-)

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Rilke

                                                                                                                                              Thanks, Rilke! I have a few pounds to go but my mindset is healthy and that's the hardest part sometimes.

                                                                                                                                    2. I lost 21 lbs this year following Weight Watchers. I have learned what foods give me the biggest "bang for my buck" and which foods are high in WW points and not really worth eating a small portion. I still eat "white stuff" like pasta, just less of it. I can't stand whole wheat pasta. And I still splurge, but only occasionally and when I really want something, not just because it's there. Really, I finally learned how to say no.

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: valerie

                                                                                                                                        I'm down just about 30 lbs since May on WW. I still eat pasta and bread, but SO much less than I used to.... So, so much less. I do miss it, but it's definitely what was holding me back before.

                                                                                                                                      2. I came back from working in Prague recently and I was struck by how slim people there are even though they eat large quantities of meat and dairy, drink vast quantities of beer and eat quite a lot of carbs in the form of dumplings. People are pretty slim in Asia too and all my friends and extended family in Asia eat refined carbs, and have very hearty appetites. Then I get back to the US and I see really heavy-set people drinking diet colas and eating salads. It's truly perplexing.

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                          I think it's all the walking..seriously. I used to travel to Europe and I walked and walked everywhere and ate like a king every day from morning to night...didn't get an ounce.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                            I lost weight while in Prague for 2 weeks despite all of the dumplings and Smažený sýr (which I ate A LOT of!) We walked and walked and walked.....

                                                                                                                                            Actually, I should say I ate them often. Portion sizes were much more reasonable there. Enough to enjoy and fill you but not enough to induce a food coma.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                              You don't see what heavy people are eating for dinner, and you didn't see what they were eating when they got fat. The salad and diet cola may be a case of too little, too late.

                                                                                                                                              It's much easier to avoid gaining weight than to lose a lot of weight.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                It's more that I know and see many people watching their weight in the US, yet are still heavy and then in Europe and Asia, they seem to eat with abandon and yet are thin. I was having a leisurely lunch at Lokal in Prague and watched a group of slim businessmen scarf down pints of beer, plates of fried cheese, sausages and dumplings. In Midtown NYC, I see people eat much more healthfully (sashimi, salad, etc.), certainly no jugs of beer during lunch and they would not be able to fit into those slim-cut Euro suits.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                  There are a lot of heavy people in Germany and France....

                                                                                                                                                  But I know where you're coming from. It's impressive to see all the trim and healthy looking Austrians and Germans happily eating rich pastries and cakes with coffee topped with whipped cream in mid-afternoon. But what I've noticed is that when Europeans dine out they may consume a lot, but at home the meals will be much smaller and simpler. And they generally don't dine out very often, going out for a proper lunch every single day isn't common (I'm not including running to a local shop for a sandwich). Meals tend to be defined times and snacking between meals isn't standard practice. If people have a calorie laden slice of cake and rich coffee with schlag as an afternoon treat it's not going to be followed with a full dinner.

                                                                                                                                                  The heavier people I know in the US have their regular meals and after dinner they'll open a bag of chips or popcorn and happily munch for the next hour while watching TV. European food can be just as unhealthy but Americans simply eat a lot more food at the end of the day.

                                                                                                                                                  As for Asians, travel through Asia has showed that food portions are much smaller and even in countries with an established snack/street food culture we're talking about 4-5 *small* meals scattered throughout the day with lots of activity in between.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Roland Parker

                                                                                                                                                    France has about 30% overweight population. The figure for obesity in the US is about 35%, Obese and overweight individuals account for 68%.

                                                                                                                                                    Overweight is described as caring 10-20% more weight than normal while obese is over 20%.

                                                                                                                                                    So yes, there are heavy folk in France but nothing like in the USA. I didn't look up Germany but I guess it's similar to France.

                                                                                                                                                    I do believe, too, that french folk eat pretty normally and have no issue splurging for social events. Whereas my heavy American friends pretty much over eat, and horrible choices, everyday for at least 1 meal if not all 3, or 5.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                      I'm not sure where to state this so I'm going to piggy back your fact based post with my very unscientific and unverified information.

                                                                                                                                                      My father comes from the Southern US, not the "deep" south but Southern Virginia / Northern North Carolina, in very rural area's. He went to the classic one room school house and his uncles and aunts were all farmers and coal miners etc.

                                                                                                                                                      I remember as a child and teenager when we would go down to visit all the great food we ate, southern fried chicken, heavily salted country ham, mashed potatoes with pounds of butter and gravy, even their breakfasts were dozens of eggs, biscuits, sausage and white sausage gravy, probably the single most unhealthy food on earth. I remember one of my aunts giving me as basket though and telling me to go out into the yard (probably 50 acres) and go pick my salad and vegetables, that was pretty cool. But overall the diet was not a very healthy one, but I loved it.

                                                                                                                                                      Oh did I mention they all smoked too? They did everything with tobacco, it was their lively hood, they grew it, picked it, chewed it, smoked it and even had a half dozen medicinal uses for it. If I skinned my knee it was wrapped in some tobacco leaf concoction!

                                                                                                                                                      There was one Dr. in the next town and unless you had black lung, you didn't call the Dr. Their health care was poor, I witnessed several teeth pulled with a pair of pliers and a mason jar of homemade hooch.

                                                                                                                                                      But you know the one thing missing from all of this? Stress......They worked hard and had very little, even my great aunts hands were coarse like sandpaper. But regardless of how hard their lives were, they did their job, they came home, they spent time with family but they didn't stress. There was no pressure.....deadlines, traffic or problem neighbors. Some nights they slept with the door open, not just unlocked but open to get a better cross breeze through the screen door.

                                                                                                                                                      The last of that generation died a few years ago at young age of 100+ years old, they all lived well into their 80's, 90's + and all ate that same diet and still chewed or smoked till their last days.

                                                                                                                                                      Even as a child I remember the contrast of my life vs. theirs and what a different world there was at the end of a 10 hour car ride. Through a child's eye's it was like traveling to a far away land.

                                                                                                                                                      I think our lifestyle, especially in the greater NY or California area's (I can't speak of Europe or overseas) but I do believe our fast paced, high stress, succeed or nothing lifestyle adds to our bodies inability to rejuvenate it'self. I think stress does more to our bodies than it does our minds, we are just more conscious of the psychological affects of stress.

                                                                                                                                                      I also personally think in many ways our work out routines do more damage than good. Pushing your body when it's not properly rested or is already stressed is not a good thing.

                                                                                                                                                      Like so many things I think we need to look at our over all lifestyle(s) rather than just our diets when it comes to true overall health.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                        I just wanted to tell you that I love the stories you tell on various threads (those that are true and those that are jokes).
                                                                                                                                                        I am a SW Engineer, but slowly turning writer - as I too love storytelling. Not everyone is good at it - you are :-)

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                          Wow.....thank you very much for the kind words. Obviously, I do like to write and express my point through either real life experience or parody, but regardless of the writing style I hope I deliver my intended message. If I'm able to entertain or amuse a few people along the way, then bonus points for me!

                                                                                                                                                          Thank you again.

                                                                                                                                                          psssssssttttt MODS!!! Hey MODS!!! See someone likes me!

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                          Balance :). Maybe I missed it but what sort of body types were your family? It sounds like they were hard workers (physically especially) so maybe that mitigated their caloric diet.

                                                                                                                                                          Californians... I think are pretty relaxed. At least we are in San Diego. New York seems more on par with Paris - if they are late by 10 seconds, if the light turned green 1/16second ago and you haven't released your brake, they get pissed.

                                                                                                                                                          At the same time I believe the french take time to enjoy their food and company at least weekly. When we spend time with the family, aperitif is minimum 1 hour of chatting and snacking. Then dinner is around 4-6 courses and more chatting. And plenty of wine, of course.

                                                                                                                                                          And I do agree that these nutso work outs that people can be harmful. I once read an article about a racing horse that broke its ankle and had to be euthanized. The first comment was "this is so sad! Why don't they have stronger ankles?!?!"

                                                                                                                                                          Maybe because they aren't meant to run like that? I believe horses gallop leisurely on grassy hills, maybe only run if a herd of grizzly bears is chasing after them. Not on a hard track, in circles, with a dude on top, no matter how little.

                                                                                                                                                          So that's my analogy/horse racing rant. The french don't goto gyms much. At most they go to play badminton, squash or tennis. No hours on various machines. They do sports, and walk everyday. And that's enough. And it's fun!

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                            My California reference is geared more towards this fascination with wealth that both coasts seem to share. I'm guilty of it as well, but it's so clear our views and priorities are so skewed as opposed to the rest of the Country and or World it's really amazing.

                                                                                                                                                            As far as your body type question they were all "large" people. Most of my aunts were probably 5'7 - 5'9 range and most of the men were "hefty". While I'm sure the labor helped them burn calories they were far from lean people. As is the case with me while leading a rather sedentary lifestyle.

                                                                                                                                                          2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                            I think happiness is a large part of being healthy. In addition to less processed food. It's amazing how many chemicals are used to treat food prior to consumption and are added to food for consumption. There have been interesting studies about how the composition of meat in commonly consumed animals has changed over the decades as feed has changed leading to different ratios and prevalence of omega fatty acids. These factors and various other environmental factors affect gut flora. Studies show that certain chemicals released in the environment have epigenetic effects. There are so many variables and our world is only getting more polluted, never less.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                              Pook, yes I couldn't agree more and that was a point I didn't clearly make. While they ate the least healthy food, it was all "pure" food, not like our food supply is today. Excellent point.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                One thing I noticed when I was in Prague. A lot of the food was very rustic and made from scratch. The bread/dumplings were made in-house even in really inexpensive establishments. Sausages were made in-house. Produce was locally obtained even though there is no "locavore" movement. Apparently only 21% of Czech people are overweight, and that is a record high. Compare that to 69% of Americans who are overweight. It's shocking and saddening, something is happening to us and my fear is I don't think it's as simple as overeating.

                                                                                                                                                                My father grew up on a farm and in his day, there were no chemicals, pesticides, etc. Everything was organic without calling it organic. They drank well water without chlorine and raised their meat with little concept of sanitation, refrigeration, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                Sometimes I really question if what we have is progress.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                  You kind of hit the nail on the head with "It was organic without calling it organic" how f'd up are we that we now have to specify or categorize our "pure" food?

                                                                                                                                                                2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                  you made it

                                                                                                                                                            2. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                              Germany's catching up, as is the UK. I think the fatherland has reached the 30% mark with regard to overweight people a while ago.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                Germany might be catching up re: the percentage of overweight people, but anecdotally, the handful of Germans I know still tend to enjoy a more active lifestyle, eat less processed food, eat at home more often during the week (less restaurant meals and less take-out), and manage their portion sizes better than the Americans and Canadians I know.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: prima

                                                                                                                                                                  Oh, for sure. And I've yet to see Germans on a regular basis who have ballooned to sizes that are the norm here in the US.

                                                                                                                                                                  Severely, morbidly obese people are very rare. For now.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                    Me, neither.

                                                                                                                                                                    Interestingly, I spend most of my time visiting Mecklenburg and Bavaria when I'm in Germany, which are regions where people tend to exercise more and eat healthier, compared to some other regions in Germany, according to Wiki! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_...

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: prima

                                                                                                                                                                      Chitty chitty bang bang to you sir or mam.

                                                                                                                                                                      I can't believe Germany is only 43rd in obesity....i thought it would be in top 10 at least.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                                                        And what would make you think that?

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                          Have you seen the size of beer mugs?? and the size of wieners?? have you seen the sizes of ladies in the Ring cyle, the opera?

                                                                                                                                                                          I don't know..when I think of Germans, I think of large people eating big plates of sausages and beer.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                                                            You should visit the country some time, then. You'd be surprised. Not all Germans drink beer out of Mass glasses, and they don't live on wieners, either.

                                                                                                                                                                            Ah, clichés. So fun to destroy :-)

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                              That sucks..German lost its charm.. I don't think I want to visit anymore.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                                                                Well, if you would like to continue your imaginary German paradise, maybe visit Bavaria. Lederhosen, dirndls, sausages and beer galore. I was actually surprised to see that Bavaria is supposed to be one of the slimmer Bundesländer...

                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                                                              Interesting. When I think of Germans, I think of the fit German tourists who visit Canada each year to go skiing and hiking. I also think of the people I've met and seen in Munich, Berlin and in Alpine ski villages, who on the whole appear to take better care of themselves than their Canadian counterparts.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                                                                Speaking of cliches, all opera singers aren't fat anymore, either. Not that they ever really were, but it was way more common back in the day. In the 21st century, Peter Gelb, HD broadcast world, there is as much pressure on opera singers to be thin as there is on movie stars. ESPECIALLY in Germany.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: biondanonima

                                                                                                                                                                                  Pat Benatar was opera trained, and she weighs about 100 pounds. Wonderful voice.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                    I saw Pat Benatar last summer in a free concert at Six Flags as she was preparing for an upcoming tour. Let's just say some things are better left to memory.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                      Is she a battlefield?

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                        When she sings "We live for love", she is enrapturing. I have had the pleasure up close several times.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                        Per CDC, 35.7% of Americans are obese, that's compared to 23.4% of Germans. Germany is the fattest country in the EU. US is 2nd fattest in the world, after Mexico.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                          Interesting! I thought the UK had us beat.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                            If the CDC is only using the BMI to measure the percentage of obesity,and if the Germans are exercising more than the Brits, the higher German BMI could be reflecting some Germans exercising more/carrying more muscle.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: prima

                                                                                                                                                                              Could be. BMI measurements are pretty damn useless anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                That's a rationalization that people use when they find out they are classified as "obese." It may be crude, but it is certainly useful as a first approximation. A more precise metric which is much more difficult measure is nearly useless.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                                  Most professional athletes (football players come to mind) would be considered obese by BMI standards.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Surely not the case.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                    Most obese people aren't athletes :). Bmi is a good standard for most average folk. It gives a health weight range of 20-30 lbs for each height. That coupled with waist to height ratio can help people determine whether or not they need to gain/lose a few/a lot.

                                                                                                                                                                                    My fat friend got pissed off at her doctor when she suggested that she lose weight. Her response was "it's not like I'm the biggest person to walk in here. And I'm not even obese"

                                                                                                                                                                                    Now there are a million stupid things about that situation, but at 5'4 approx 200-215 lbs she is in fact, clinically obese.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe she's waiting til she's severely morbidly obese to listen to her doc.

                                                                                                                                                                                    There are the jolly "somebody's got to be big and it might as well be me" types and there are the denial ones.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Her husband was suggested by his doctor to get another gastric bypass. Yes, another. That was months ago and they have made no effort to lose weight. With bmi, height weight charts, airplane seats, and mirrors, you'd think some people would get a clue...

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                                    Not at all. Waist to hip measurement and even neck measurements, which tend to be markers for metabolic/endocrine disorders, are more accurate.

                                                                                                                                                                                    The most muscular folks test very high on BMI due to the weight of muscle vs. fat.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                      Getting accurate measurements is the hard part. My friend can't even get a good bra because each person measures her differently :)

                                                                                                                                                                                      I mentioned waist-height ratio to one of my overweight friends last week. It was pretty much useless because he's convinced that his waist is only 36" since that's what his personal trainer measured.

                                                                                                                                                                                      My boyfriend is 32". My bf is lean and my friend... Well he can win a race with his belly a full 6 seconds before his face does

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                        Waist to hip you mean, or BMI?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Interesting to note the body recomposition of my husband, who began low carbing a few years ago to prevent metabolic syndrome and to maintain weight... At the same weight range as before, we keep having to buy him smaller and smaller waists in jeans, now down to 32 in Levis (he's 6 ft tall and not scrawny), or they keep slipping down. Before he lost the carbs, he had developed a middle aged gut shape. It's been really important to him that he never feels hungry or like he's dieting.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Unlike me, when we're out, he'll order a burger with fries, remove at least half the bun and eat only half the fries. Work lunches are proteins over salad.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                          Latest one is waist to height. You're waist shouldn't be more than 50% of your height.

                                                                                                                                                                                          It's also touted for its ease, just divide your height in 2 whether in inches or cm.

                                                                                                                                                                                          It's a bit crude though... I think it should be more 40-45%.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Edit. Not crude. Generous, lenient. I think the rationale behind this is the dreaded visceral fat.

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                        Bingo. Which is why I think I'm at the higher end of normal on the BMI.

                                                                                                                                                                                      3. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                                        I think the most accurate are CT scan or the water displacement method.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                          C-T should be reserved for extreme medical emergencies or diseases, not risk measurements. Too easy to hit that lifetime radiation dose with a few of them. Water displacement is good for body fat %, but not specific to metabolic risk.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I believe neck measurement may be the newest, and very indicative of certain endocrine disorders that cause obesity and excess fat percentages even in scrupulous dieters.

                                                                                                                                                                                          AFAIK, waist to height is not advantageous compared to waist to hip, and it seems to be kind of high risk numbers. But it's free to measure more than one way, so no need to make a choice. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree. No method is an end all be all but I think a combination of a few are a good guide.

                                                                                                                                                                                            And I read about the ct scan somewhere but maybe it was this:
                                                                                                                                                                                            DXA Scan (Dual-emission X-ray absorptiometry) --This dual X-ray system (known widely for its use in bone density testing) is considered the preferred method for body composition testing (the most accurate, which other tests are compared to). It is one of the most direct BC testing methods but it can have limitations in the obese as many machines are much less accurate in thicker people (obese) and can have a 3-5% precision error. The iDXA by GE Healthcare was designed to perform obesity research and is one of the most accurate and precise, particularly in thicker, heavy people. It is also the only DXA scanner FDA-approved to quantify dangerous deep belly fat, which is important for true health assessment. Limitations to DXA Scan testing for body fat assessment are the need for a doctor's prescription to get a DXA scan done, less availability than other testing methods discussed below, and expense - you will have to pay out of pocket costs ranging from $59 to $399.
                                                                                                                                                                                            --
                                                                                                                                                                                            Regardless, I don't feel people should have to take a step like that to realize that they have a weight problem. But the option is available if someone.... Really is curious? Or maybe if you've got a loved one you're worried about and you've expended all other options to get them to improve their health.

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                            No doubt, but impractical for most people in ordinary circumstances. That's why we have "rule-of-thumb" metrics which anyone can easily use. A metric does not need to be highly accurate to be useful.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                              The most recent gold standard for body fat percentage used in medical research is DEXA.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ohmyyum

                                                                                                                                                                                                I'd avoid the radiation and settle for calipers or water immersion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh no I agree that DEXA is unnecessary, just stating that it's been widely accepted as the standard. The hydrostatic tank at my university had gone unused for at least 10 years.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Calipers are a fine approximation for most purposes, and (when measured by a skilled technician) yield much more accurate results than say junk handheld BIA devices used in gyms across the country.

                                                                                                                                                                                          3. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                            Here, here. At 5'4", 130 lbs, size 4, I'm still at the "higher" end normal in BMI. Even my doctor says it's a lot of rubbish.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                                                                                                                              BMI places upper end at 145 lbs for your height. Sounds about right to me...

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                My BMI is 22.3. The normal scale is 18.5 - 24.9. I would have to weigh 108lbs in order to be at the lowest end of that scale, in which case I would be emaciated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not necessarily. Britney, Christina at their prime were around 110-112 and similar height. Same with Miley Cyrus who is 108. And in the case of the former two at least 5 of those lbs were silicone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am 5'2 and back when I was 125 I had thick thighs, calves and a belly. Walked at least 3 miles everyday, gym and dance several days a week. Definitely was not a bikini body yet bmi placed me well within healthy range. So to get to where I want to be my guess is id have to be 110ish. Still in good range, but now I have a longer way to go lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Britney and Christina "at their prime" were in their teens and twenties. Here's a newsflash for you - women's bodies change with age and I don't know very many women 40 and over who's bodies look the same as when they were in their teens - no matter HOW much they excercise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Furthermore, women who TRY to maintain that look often get ropy and too wiry looking - I see it at the gym all the time. Madonna is a perfect example of that. It's NOT attractive & I personally have no intentions of striving to get back the body I had when I was 16.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: flourgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm 28 and am the fattest one in my family, talking about all my cousins, aunts, even grandma. I'm about 15 lbs heavier than when I was a teen. And no one looks like Madonna.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I merely mentioned them as examples that 110 lbs may not be as gaunt as people expect it to be.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Good for you, youareabunny. Do you realize that you can't extropolate YOUR personal experience to ALL or even MOST of the rest of the women in this country? You clearly come from a family with unusual genetics, and again, good for you. But generally speaking, most women's bodies change as they get older, especially if theyve had children. Their hips get wider, their metabolism slows down and it gets harder and harder to stop the pounds from accumulating. And talking about Britney and Christina "in their prime" as if they have any resemblance whatsoever to the average woman in this country is frankly quite ridiculous. Besides everything else, they worked out for HOURS every day "in their prime" because it was their JOB to look fantastic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: flourgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.geekinheels.com/wp-content...

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Too funny!

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: flourgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                            ... As I said, I mentioned them in response to a post saying that 108 lbs would be gaunt like. Perhaps Christina bordered stick figure-ish but Britney was feminine and muscular at that weight. I never once said that's what every woman needs to be. Although I that probably is where I need to be.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                        At 108 I'd be like a size 0, and I can guarantee you I would NOT look good at that weight.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I did giggle at your silicone comment!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm 173 cm tall, and if I ever went any lower than 70 kg , I would look awful. For one, I'd lose my T&A -- you know they're the first to go -- and I can already see ribs above my boobs at 72 or 71, so I'm *def* not going below 70.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          That puts me in the higher BMI range around 23-24, but I frankly couldn't care less.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have zero interest in the emaciated look that goes for "normal" or is supposed to be something worth achieving. Don't even get me started on the utterly misogynist concept of a size "0".

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Really? Now I have to use a google measurement converter?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                              While you are on the tall side, your weight can be a higher BMI range without it looking like you are a pudgy porky pig. I am 5'2 (159 cm), so for me a size "0" is where I have to be unless I want my width to be longer than my height :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, thankfully I am blessed genetically in that I can carry +/- 10 lbs. without anyone really noticing a difference. It's all nicely distributed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My husband is the same way. When we travel, we eat - and I always come back looking like "I ate while I vacationed" while my husband? Nada! Even when he gained more than me. Verrrry annoying!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tall people have it made!! I'm 5'2"/160 cm. The 5-6 lbs I gained during my broken foot time showed all over my face and hands and armpit area (?), but the badunka-dunk remained flat like a pancake.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, the human body...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: alliegator

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      One of my good friends is 5'2", 85 pounds and eats as much as 2 large men twice her size. No joke, she eats and eats and eats. If she gains any weight, it all goes to her chest. When she was a child in Vietnam, she was starving, but now, no matter how much she eats, she still is very slim. People can have such different bodies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I was like that, too, when I was young. I remember at age 10, eating more than my father and brother... and I was always so skinny.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My Hawaiian aunt is like that. She's 5'9 ish and always so thin, less curvy than me but still feminine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And to give you an idea of how much she eats.... she's been known to spend 8 hours at a buffet. I don't mean she eats 8 hours. She eats 2-3 hours for first meal, hangs out and snacks for 2-3 hours, then eats 2-3 hours for the last meal. Every plate is piled high then emptied.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have an uncle that's tall and thin and he's banned at most buffets. He walks through the door and they tell him to leave.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ok kids, help me out because I've read this a few times in this thread. What is this whole "width longer than my height" reference I've seen a few times. I'm not familiar with the concept. Where do you take the measurement for width from?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The circumference of one's equator.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jrvedivici - I never know if you are kidding or not :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          height measurement in inches < waist measurement in inches

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I actually haven't heard this expression ever used except in our house - and we use it to joke around - to express that we have packed on the pounds - though none of us have ever been even close to our weight in inches being more than our height.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ok then I'm confused (I assure you I'm really confused, not kidding confused, although I'll tell you a joke later to make up for it)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you are 5'2 that's 62 inches. You say you need to maintain a size -0- or else your width will be longer than your height? There is no way a person 5'2" could achieve a 62 inch waist without being over 300+ lbs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I thought maybe you measured your largest diameter like around the shoulders/chest/back etc. I don't understand the waist vs. height.......myself as an example I'm 75.5inch height and 48 inch waist. Not even close and I'm a rather large guy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Am I making sense with my confusion?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That rough ratio is waist = 1/2 height. So you should be 8 feet tall.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ahhhhh thank you that's the part of the equation I was missing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You are correct I should have been 8 foot tall but my mom smoked during my pregnancy, thanks mom now I'm short and fat!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Measuring someone's waist is important because it accounts for levels of central fat which accumulates around the organs and is particularly closely linked to conditons like stroke and heart disease."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Some of the logic behind the method.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/hea...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There should be no confusion, because it wasn't suppose to be taken literally.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  All I meant was that I am a size 0-2 and not one of those very tall women who don't eat anything in order to remain a size zero. I never starve myself - and I enjoy eating everything.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My response was to LinguaFood and all I meant to say was that tall women who have a BMI in the 24 range can look fabulous - while I would not.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I have to stay around the 20 range BMI in order to FEEL that my waist is not longer than my height :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ok, now tell me a joke :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    A man walks into his psychiatrist office wearing nothing but seran wrap as underwear.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Psyciatrist takes a long look at him and says; "Well I can clearly see your nuts"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      :-)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ...although it probably works better when told out loud as opposed to written form where you have to get into the your and you're.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joking around and telling jokes is a must in our family and done on a daily basis. Laughing is a great way to lose weight (staying with the concept of this thread) - be stress-free - look young - and live long.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sorry for the your/you're typo.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ****Edit I felt so bad I contacted the Chowteam about this. They agreed to refund your subscription fee for this month. Keep an eye out in the mail for it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My two replies were removed from the MODs - just didn't want you to think I didn't respond with at least a hee hee :-)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          (my original responses were more sophisticated and funny)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Exactly. I'm a size 6 but at 5'2 3/4 that's pretty damn big.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My neighborhood BFF is a size zero, always has been, and actually looks healthy. And she is...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We're all built differently. I did have a friend in HS who was 5'7 and 75 lbs. now she looked insanely thin, and she knew it but no matter what she tried couldn't gain weight. She didn't look sickly btw, just very thin. She played softball.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jennifer Lawrence is 5'9 135 lbs with a bmi of 19. She's considered by many women and men to be ideal and give or take 5-10 lbs she would still be healthy. And certainly not emaciated

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I say this without any criticism but I do not think Jennifer Lawrence is 5'9" nor 135lbs. Shorter and heavier respectively. She's not a delicately boned girl and she has breasts and hips.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Certainly open to speculation considering we probably will never get a copy of her last physical. But there seems to be a consensus and I believe it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm a bit opposite, I look thinner than what I actually weigh. People always guess me at 20 lbs lighter yet they'll guess our other friends correctly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well with celebrities it's a different story because we rarely see photos of them that haven't been altered :) but when you meet them in person, they're shorter and heavier than they look in magazines.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Definitely true!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                A quick google shows her height listed as 5'7.5" to 5'10.5" and her weight from 130-137.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Shortest height may have been younger and not full adult height.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And in terms of Hollywood she's at least 10 if not 20 lbs overweight.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'd argue that her career trajectory defies that assertion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's not something I'm invested in, all I'm saying is I've bumped into many celebrities that are shorter than their internet height and heavier. I have a very good idea of my real weight and real height and I use that to evaluate. Height inflation is rampant in Hollywood. I just don't like girls aspiring to some unrealistic image we "think" we see of a celebrity who is shorter and heavier in reality.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm 6'4" and 310 in high school I was about 250lbs. When I played football they had me listed at 6'6" and 290lbs. (for obvious intimidation factors)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Then after football season there was a 2/3 week break before wrestling season started where suddenly I became 6'2" and 210lbs. (at the time heavy weight was 187+ with no limit) They wanted to under size me to surprise the competition.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I use to joke about my magical diet where I dropped 80lbs in 3 weeks!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So....a career change as a jockey is not on the table.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          He could if they raced Belgian blues.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            No but I'm good friends with a very well known local Jockey here in Jersey and it's a pretty funny site when we go out. Many a facebook joke has been made of our pictures of our nights out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you see-sawed with him you could probably launch him through the nearest goal posts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't know if you know the Radio Personality Big Joe Henry, but if I'm 310 Big Joe is 425-450. I wanted to organize a charity race at Monmouth Park between the two of them. I wanted it to be a harness race and we would put a lazy-boy recliner on wheels as the harness. Obviously this never came to fruition, but I did try.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Or, you could have put a saddle on Big Joe Henry and have your jockey friend ride him and whip the shit out of him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Trust me behind the scenes that proposition was discussed rather often.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ha ha ha. Nice story.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Agree that height inflation is rampant in Hollywood.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Some celebrities appear thinner in real life, thanks to that 10 lbs the camera adds. Sarah Jessica Parker appeared to be even slimmer in real life than on film.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You keep track of celebrity heights and weights?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I do a lot of googling

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Is your google skill up to date?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Okey dokey.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am at the higher end due to very high bone mineral density. I literally have what my endocrinologist calls "heavy bones." I also lay down new muscle pretty easily.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  UK obesity is estimated at 23.1%, negligible difference. Call it a tie?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well, it's not a soccer game, so….. ok :-D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                3. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mexico??

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Obesity is a huge problem in Mexico, apparently with the advent of processed food and soft drinks. According to the OECD, it has the largest number of overweight and obese people in the world. The US comes in a close second.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/S...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was surprised to see New Zealand on the list, all of our friends from there are so lean and fit. I had no idea.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We should try a work exchange program with Mexico and send our fat asses down there to mow their lawns and do their manual labor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kuwait? I thought they were at like 75%

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. I eat everything - in moderation, and if I have to overeat one day for some reason - due to holiday, celebration, etc. I fast the next day.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I do yoga every morning for 30 minutes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I walk every day for one hour.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I dance for an hour three times a week.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There are a few other things I do three times a week that's good for my weight, but I'll leave that for a different blog.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Eating right keeps you healthy, looking great and very happy!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          7 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You fast the next day? That is hard core and something I don't think I ever could do. I will try to eat "light" the next day, but I'm definitely still eating.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I learned that from my brother who is an N.D. (naturopathic doctor) - it is quite healthy to take a rest and empty out your system once in a while - so I take advantage of my over-eating and kill 2 birds with 1 stone

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I know nothing about it health wise, so I'll take your word for it. I'm just saying for me personally, i'd be dragging ass on that fasting day. I have to have regular meals. I also could never eat a big lunch and then skip dinner like I know some of my friends do. I'd be no good for the night.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's actually not too difficult. I continue to drink liquids, the biggest thing is keeping busy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  When I went to 6flags this past summer I ate once the whole day. I had too many coasters to ride to waste time eating! But my friends took the longest lunch break ever, so I ate like 4 nachos then rode without them. 14 coasters in 8 hours.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Last year I was having some kidney pain and went on a (nearly) three day juice and water fast. I didn't lose any weight from it but I have to say that the "emptying out" was the best thing I've done for my system in ages next to quitting smoking.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My friend had, ok I just forgot what it was. It was an -itis and he had to fast for 3 days. He was only allowed jello.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Pancreatitis.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Oh boy, here we go again.........as one of the fewer members of this site that is north of the 300lbs mark, it's pretty easy not watching your figure. lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              At just a tad under 6'4" I actually carry my weight "well", I'm still a 54 inch chest and 48 waist so I still have the proper dimensions going on. My last substantial weight loss was last year around this time, I went on the wagon and stopped drinking for 4 months, with just that change I dropped about 35lbs during that period of time and was down to close to 275lbs which is about as low as I can go. But once I picked the bottle back up I put that weight back on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Even in high school I was 250+ so at 43 when I get to 275/280 that's about as good as it's going to get. I'm actually just coasting my way to the holidays when I'm joining a gym again, this time my son, partially to help myself out, but to also bulk him up at 15 years old he is an even 6 foot tall under 150 lbs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I will do a low carb high protein diet for myself, while doing the complete opposite for him. I'll be very happy if I can get him to put on 25lbs and if I drop 25lbs. I just have to figure out the prize for who achieves their goal first!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Off the top of my head, the consistent things I've been doing are:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Intermittent Fasting (2pm - 10pm most days)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                low (ish) fat - Note that I never do something crazy/stupid like ditch the egg yolk cause fat content and I don't fear natural carbs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                lots of low and high intensity activity - also looking into parkour.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Very low pufa - I swear that stuff along with the additive filled dwarf wheat products common to the american diet is magic in it's fattening ability. Cutting both out has been the only consistent thing I've done diet-wise and weight loss has never been a problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Gluten free (currently) - though I'm looking into incorporating ancestrally prepared ancient grain products into my diet because fueling hardcore exercise with just tubers and fruit is a bitch on the budget, and to hell with never eating stuffed-pretzels ever again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                (some what) Ray peat diet wise overall - I'll likely make the diet more WAPF with lower fat and refined ancient grains as I get more active.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh, and I make sure to never count calories. That crap is cancer to my sanity and idea makes aspartame sweetened soda look better than fruits.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: shezmu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Counting calories and eating healthy do not have to be mutually exclusive. I count, but I eat fruit liberally and never have artificial sweeteners.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyway, I am just curious based on some of your successful strategies: Are you a man or a woman?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Treadmill. For me, it's the only way to maintain, which makes me sad because I really don't like it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  About six years ago I cut back on bread and pasta and have kept that up. I'm not low-carb by any means, but cutting those things a bit helped keep me from gaining. I'll still have pasta once or twice a week. I've never had much of a sweet tooth, which I guess helps, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm sure it's hard after two babies, so congratulations on losing the 30. You can do it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: KrumTx

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Try running outside. I hate the treadmill, but I actually enjoy outdoor runs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Running, hiking, Bar Method, push ups and plank . . . but what really keeps me honest is logging my food and exercise into MyFitnessPal app on my iPhone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Bulimia. I wish I was kidding.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HouseSparrow

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Seek help! You need your health, joy, and teeth.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: HouseSparrow

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Please seek help HouseSparrow.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We all care and love you and want to see you well.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          xo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: HouseSparrow

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.nationaleatingdisorders.or...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Please get help HouseSparrow. I'm in recovery from an eating disorder and it's been a ridiculously long road back but it is so worth it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. portion control. On booze. The rest of my diet is pretty balanced, but I've been on this dark N stormy kick that is killing my bottom line. Especially as I am rehabbing an ankle injury which cuts into my work out opportunities.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. When I could afford it, I had a health club membership. Now, I do crunches and weights. I also try to walk a lot. So far, so good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. I try to make my dinner plate mostly colorful veggies, with a good portion of good quality meat or fish or eggs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I also don't keep junk in the house, because my willpower is low, and I will eat it. Out of sight, out of mind is my mantra. Thus, no Halloween candy will be bought until tomorrow evening.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Low glycemic foods and high protein works for me, but it's rather difficult, as I have a sweet tooth.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Low carb AND calorie counting. Lots and lots of veggies (I'm not a fruit lover but will have some no sugar added, organic dried fruit prior to working out for the energy). I try as much as possible to stay completely away from processed foods and sugars during a normal day. I am 37 and a size 6 (I've been maintaining this for the past couple of years after a tremendous weight loss - I was a size 14/16.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I eat about five times a day and make those meals count (if they're not densely nutritious (or delicious) I end up overeating later.) I'm very prone to bingeing (on anything and everything) so I need to make sure I get enough of the right kinds of calories throughout the day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I exercise 4-6 times a week (love it!). I try to drink plenty of water, try to get plenty of rest and make all of my meals myself (I eat out once a week and try very hard to make healthy choices there too.) I have found that if I make tomato sauce by simply chopping up some tomatoes and cooking them (skin and all,) I feel much fuller and more energetic than if I were to open a can or a box, so that's what I do, I make everything from scratch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am completely gluten free (not by choice) so before I go to any social occasion, I eat (even if I'm not hungry) because I can't always count on getting gluten free food at social gatherings (although there are some very accommodating hosts and caterers out there.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Is this lifestyle always easy? Not at all. Is it worth it? Absolutely! The last thing I'm going to allow myself to happen is to go back to the obese and severely exhausted me from years ago. I feel better now than I did when I was 20.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    *edit* When I say low carb, I meant things like bread, rice, pasta and potatoes. I get plenty of carbohydrates in the form of vegetables ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Actually, I enjoy cycling as much as I do cooking and eating, so it works out OK. If my Garmin computer is close to being correct, I burn 1000 or more calories each ride (usually 25 - 40 miles except on weekends, which can be longer) and it keeps my genetically sluggish metabolism a little faster than it would be without exercise. Love my bike. Love to eat. Perfect match.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Portion control, plus twenty minutes worth of calisthenics, followed by strength training or a three mile run, on every morning but Sundays.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The primary thing is moderation and staying active.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Diets are bad.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: deet13

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, it's got to be a life style commitment, not a quick fix.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, I guess diets are ok for special occasions. Wedding!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Heh, it's definitely a lifestyle commitment.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            IMO, once you've made a habit of exercising daily, then it can be an easy habit to maintain. I have an advantage of recently retiring from the Army; as such, my physical training regimen is both figuratively and literally a deeply ingrained part of my day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Portion control; now that's where the true test of will resides...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I gained a lot of weight over the last 20 years, mostly due to over eating, eating too much of the wrong foods, and not getting enough excercise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I finally decided to do something about it, joined a gym and have been working out diligently for a little over 6 months now. I work out 5-8 hours a week, every week, I do both strength training and cardio. I watch my portions, cut down on the amount of refined sugar and flour I eat and eat a lot more fruits and veggies. I've lost 25 lbs so far, I'm getting my shape and muscle tone back, I feel great and just had a physical and all of my blood work test results were really good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I absolutely will NOT diet. I've made permanent changes to my diet - but I still eat whatever I want. Just not all the time, smaller portions and better balance. It works for me and this is a lifestyle I can maintain.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have NEVER known a single person who used a temporary diet plan of ANY kind who permanently kept the weight off. Not a single one. They always yo-yo and frankly, it's just depressing to watch.I refused to do that to myself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          EDIT: BTW, I'm 47 and yes, the excercise IS working for me. The weight is coming off slowly, about a pound a week, but it is coming off and because I'm excercising at the same time as I'm losing weight, my appearance has already gone through a drastic improvement, my clothes look a hell of lot better on me, and the extra weight I'm still working on losing doesn't depress me the way it did before I started working out regularly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: flourgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've been controlling my diabetes without meds for over 15 years. I'm low carb for life, not weight loss, though some may think of it as a temporary diet, it's a health maintenance and diease prevention plan for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's great that you are finding success with that, that's awesome. However, this thread is about maintaining weight, not diets adopted for dealing with diseases like diabetes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: flourgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, I know, but I was addressing the notion of diets as temporary... and the way I eat is often dismissed as temporary, or even worse "fad."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hence my comment, not intended to convince anyone to follow. I agree that we have to find a way of eating that we can enjoy for life which includes feeling good/better.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But again, since I wasn't referring to people dealing with diseases like diabetes, I clearly wasn't being "dismissive" of people in your situation who need to adopt a particular diet for very specific health reasons. I was quite clearly talking about temporary diets and the weight loss/weight gain cycle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: flourgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I wasn't taking offense, just replying to a point raised in your earlier post.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Seriously.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. I slowly packed on 30 pounds when transitioning over the years from an active college student to a desk worker. I lost 30 pounds and have now kept it off for almost 2 years. I started out counting calories using an app on my phone (My Fitness Pal) but over time was able to transition to using my own judgement after getting a feel for what a "normal" portion size means to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have always eaten pretty healthfully, which to me means real foods (no long ingredient lists, additives, preservatives, etc.), lots of vegetables, some whole grains, placing less importance on meat, etc. so my issue was all about portion sizes. Once I scaled down my portion sizes, losing and now keeping the weight off is fairly easy. I no longer measure/weigh food or count calories but I still have a fairly good idea of what looks appropriate for a serving.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I try to eat well at least 80% of the time. That gives me wiggle room for things like happy hour (drinks/snacks), dinner out, birthday cake, etc. without gaining weight.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. So many people "know'" so much. Am I the only one who is totally frustrated by the lack of consistency with what people say about healthy eating or how to lose weight.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I would love to know who among the posters here are physicians, scientists and researchers who actually know what they're talking about instead of having read some book written by another layperson that speculates in an interesting way on what the French eat or what you should eat before noon or according to your blood type or like a cave dweller or to raise your metabolism or to protect your liver.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Are there any recent reproducible studies that follow the scientific method with controls and peer review?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Is it any wonder that we are all dealing with so much conflicting information and misinformation? And that in response to it, many of us ultimately throw up our hands and say, "what the heck. I like it so I'm going to eat it."?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                There's no one correct method. What works for some may not work for others.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It's about knowing your options, trying a few and sticking with what works for you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think plenty of people here have made some very valid points that are common sense/knowledge, and supported by science.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Eat less. Portion control. Move around more. Cut out mindless snacking. Don't OD on pasta, rice, bread, potatoes and sugary treats.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's not rocket surgery.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am neither a doctor / scientist nor the second type of person you mention. I speak only from experience, having struggled through a decade of mild obesity, then losing nearly a third of my body weight and keeping it off for several years now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I "know" what worked for me. I call it the common sense diet, though it was much more a gradual and massive lifestyle change than a diet. Keeping in mind that no one method will work for everyone, I try my best to share that knowledge with others, without being preachy (I hope).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    One thing is for sure: Quick fixes (e.g. the Special K Diet aka Buy More Special K) work for no one in the long run.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Actually the "I like it so I'm going to eat it" is the right way to go IMO - just don't overdo it!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Eat everything you like - in moderation and then you'll never have cravings, never gain weight and never be sick from any foods that may or may not "cause cancer".
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I remember a study came out that saccharine caused cancer - but it only pertained to people that used 12 of them a day - not those that used one/two a day. The same goes for everything else.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (oh, and I am not an MD)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: acssss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yet you're rx'ing a dietary plan. One that fails way too many people. Often, the foods folks like the most are the ones that trigger the most hunger and obesity. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsull...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's not the Oreos, it's the biochemical/endocrine result of eating them and foods of similar composition.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you would like to hear the point of view of a medical doctor who specializes in treating obese children, look for the video lecture "Sugar—The Bitter Truth" by Dr. Robert Lustig, an hour and a half, available online through UCTV (University of California).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you're confused, you're too focused on what people say, what's reported and what researchers conclude. If you read studies and evaluate their methodology, data, control of variables to see if those support their conclusions or if the study design was flawed, a clear pattern emerges.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Or you could read a non fad evaluation of the objective science, like books and articles by Gary Taubes, an award winning science journalist whose specialty is evaluation of junk science, starting with cold fusion. His reporting is well researched, with citations, and withstands scrutiny. So does the popular diet author, Michael Eades, M.D. You can read his blog online for free, it's scientifically well supported, but he does sell diet plans and products.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's much more helpful to be willing to do the work, apply critical thinking skills and to have your life depend on what you learn, IME. Physicians and scientists are too influenced by drug and food lobbies and the funding they provide, or by bias and ignorance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Don't take anyone's word at face value; see if what you read or hear stands up to scrutiny.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We're each responsible for our own health, and that means not being slaves to changes in popular opinion or anyone's assertions on the internet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I don't. I did a specific diet 2 years ago and lost 30 pounds. I kept 25 of them off for over a year. People kept saying that I looked like I was losing weight. I just weighed myself on Monday and discovered that I've lost 10 pounds so now I'm 5 less than after the diet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I attribute the weight loss to the stress of and anxiety caused by my job.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Is going to gym popular thing in European big cities like Paris and London? I don't really remember seeing it in Paris but then I was too distracted by beauty of desserts in windows that I probably didn't even pay attention.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Plenty of gyms in both cities. I don't think the dynamics of exercise are all that different there and NYC. Go by Hyde Park and look out for all the joggers. But I wouldn't say going to the gym is "popular" in any of the cities if by popular you mean that most people do it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. no meat,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              no poultry
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              no white carbs
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              dairy two meals a week
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              seafood two meals a week
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              low fat (the fat that i DO eat is primarily monosaturated or polyunsaturated fat)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              basically vegetables and legumes (including much soy) account for for 90% of my eating.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              my ratio of height to weight is the same now as it was when i was in high school, but the STUFF that i eat now is NOT the high-saturated high-processed garbage i ate when in high school