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Bigots and food: now it is (gasp) Girl Scout Cookies

Some right wing moron named Kevin Swanson has decided that the Girl Scouts are agents of lesbianism and Communism and that you should not buy their cookies. Now, I normally don't buy their overpriced cookies (don't eat cookies and on the rare occasions I do, they'd better be REALLY GOOD which GS cookies are not) but this year, I am going to make a point of buying lots and lots of GS cookies.


A conservative pastor and radio host, who thinks "feminism has been devastating to the country," begged his listeners not to buy Girl Scouts Cookies because he claims the "wicked" organization promotes lesbianism and abortion.

"I don't want to support lesbianism, I don't want to support Planned Parenthood, and I don't want to support abortion. And if that be the case, I'm not buying Girl Scout cookies," Pastor Kevin Swanson grumbled on "Generations Radio."

Swanson upbraided the Girl Scouts for not promoting a biblical vision of "godly womanhood" and asked โ€” if you absolutely must purchase the treats โ€” to cross out every reference to the youth organization on the box with a black magic marker.

The Girl Scout Cookie Program aims to introduce girls to business and financial skills, a goal Swanson and his co-host, Dave Buehner, faulted.

On a personal note, my experience with the Girl Scouts - decades ago - was that they promoted conformity and true-blue American values, not individuality or "free-to-be-you-and-me."

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  1. Swanson has an audience of about 10. I look at this kind of thing as nothing more than a publicity stunt to get himself noticed. Had anyone ever heard of him before this?

    He's best ignored, IMO.

    1. Buehner added, "Are you trying to create a woman who's gonna compete with men in the marketplace, or are you trying to create a woman to be a helpmate to a man so that he can compete in the marketplace?"

      Ugh. I'm about to go lesbian out of spite. Maybe wear a GS cookie bikini and twerk on his lawn. With my girlfriend.

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      1. re: youareabunny

        That last paragraph is the best reason I've ever done a spit-take! I think I have a girl crush on Youareabunny.

          1. re: youareabunny

            and can we really watch (even if supportive of your sentiment)?

        1. re: youareabunny

          I fully support you on this. I do believe there is a "twerk" girlscout patch, which I will gladly sew upon your sash.

          1. re: youareabunny

            "Ugh. I'm about to go lesbian out of spite."

            Good luck with that. ;-)

            1. re: youareabunny

              <<<"Are you trying to create a woman who's gonna compete with men in the marketplace, or are you trying to create a woman to be a helpmate to a man so that he can compete in the marketplace?">>>>

              Why can't they do/be both??
              <<<<Maybe wear a GS cookie bikini and twerk on his lawn. With my girlfriend.>>>>>

              I would pay big money to see that!!! :))

                1. re: jrvedivici

                  That's fine.....Miss Bunny knows to save the best for last :))

              1. re: youareabunny

                I am inclined to get a sex change to become a woman, just so I can get a female partner and become a Girl Scout leader to piss this guy off. He sounds like a real nut.

                1. re: youareabunny

                  "Ugh. I'm about to go lesbian out of spite."

                  I'm down with the rest of your post - but please, please, please let's not bring back the worst of the "political lesbian" 80's.

                  1. re: ratgirlagogo

                    I hear ya, but did they make a difference? I think so.

                2. I was never a Girl Scout so I have no stake in this discussion but I totally disagree with you about the cookies ., people await the cookies each year and drool overt their favorites . Yes they are expensive and they have gotten smaller but in every office i have worked in , people have had no problem at all selling their childrens Girl scout cookies . In fact I have heard people be upset because no one asked them to purchase a few boxes .

                  People such as this Rev Swanson sound threatened and paranoid . Many Girl scout troops are sponsored by churches .

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                  1. re: saltylady

                    Some folks buy them because they have favorites. Most folks buy them grudgingly because they don't want to be viewed as the office Scrooge.

                    My husband buys them, then when dumps them off in the employee kitchen.

                  2. Oh good grief. Pasta, GS cookies, restaurant chains...my home state finally gave same sex couples the right to marry.

                    Here's what I think fear makes idiots out of some people. And I begin to feel idiotic pretty quickly when too much additional attention is offered.

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                    1. re: HillJ

                      I think extremists like him help shed light on issues. Sometimes it takes an incredible amount of absurdity to get people's attention and action.

                      1. re: youareabunny

                        If only :)

                        I say follow the money. Who pays for these programs to air? How many people follow fools?

                        Folks who draw their own conclusions, keep judgement at bay and don't buy into hatred DON'T need an extremist.

                        1. re: youareabunny

                          We are talking about a voluntary youth organization that's been around a gazillion years after all. I think it's disgusting that this would even make it to air.

                          Is the GS organization expected to spend time defending its leadership, national youth guidelines and programs?


                          1. re: HillJ

                            To me it draws attention to the broader issues that women and girls face. GS will be fine.

                            I've got many nay-sayer type of acquaintances. This sort of attack is the only thing that will draw their attention. It's something!

                            And I'm careful where I click. Not giving that guy a YouTube view, not even to thumbs down.

                            1. re: youareabunny

                              I wonder: GS will be fine. Orgs like the GS are easy targets for some, apparently. Picking on young girls who won't be defending themselves directly, adults will.

                              If you draw the conclusion that every individual with a open mind can enlighten those who lack one, good! Because the climb is an hourly, daily, weekly, monthly, life long project in humanity and let's face it, most of us give up at the first escalator.

                              1. re: HillJ

                                I'll add here that I no longer buy products from the Boy Scouts and won't until they formally change their policy. And,yes,I'll buy GS cookies and give them as gifts to support an organization that is helping us raise young women.

                                1. re: c oliver

                                  But the Boy Scouts did reverse their stance on openly gay scouts (I think the change is effective Jan 1, 2014). I know, because a local church booted the troop it had sponsored for decades as a result.

                                  1. re: gaffk

                                    I don't think gay leaders are allowed, but correct me if I'm wrong.

                                    1. re: linguafood

                                      Oh, you may be right . . . I don't follow these issues too closely. It just struck me when I read the article about the troop being evicted because it was allowing homosexuals.

                                      I never buy the boy scouts' overpriced popcorn, but I love the Girl Scout Thin Mints. I guess because I was a GS from brownies through cadets. (And amazingly, I never had an abortion AND I'm not a lesbian . . . go figure.)

                                        1. re: linguafood

                                          Still 'not allowed' but funding sources have also withdrawn support because of this standing policy.

                                          1. re: linguafood

                                            You are correct. My sons are both in scouts in a non-church affiliated troop.

                                            1. re: linguafood

                                              You are correct. Gay Boy Scout leaders are still not allowed. (at least not the ones they know about!)

                                              1. re: ChefJune

                                                Cause ya know they're trying to 'recruit' the boys. Can't be molest since the vast majority of pedophiles are hetero.

                                            1. re: HillJ

                                              UWay lost my funding decades ago.

                                              1. re: Veggo

                                                Mine too. But hundreds of individual charities do count on those funds each year.

                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                  And I didn't withdraw my support of the UWay over who they support but for how much of the funds they receive, they keep.

                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                    IMO, it has been a corrupt enterprise, with egregiously overpaid executives supporting bogus and nefarious causes.

                                                    1. re: Veggo

                                                      Dare I say we AGREE on something! It's actually possible..happy dance!

                                                        1. re: Veggo

                                                          Nah, let's break bread with cheese.

                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                            I've got a feeling if you break the bread HillJ, Veggo will cut the cheese.

                                                            Lol I'm sorry I really do crack myself up!

                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                              LOL...This was crossing my mind as I typed it..

                                                        2. re: HillJ

                                                          I just feel I should disclose I was thrown out of the Cub Scouts.

                                                          No joke on this one, I was literally thrown out.

                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                            Shocker! I was thrown out of ballet class for wearing orange instead of pink point shoes. That's until my Dad showed up with a check for Madame..then I could wear all the orange shoes I wanted :)

                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                              A family friend's daughter was thrown out of Brownies for calling the leader lady a "fat a$$ed b**ch." Her father sided with his daughter, and that was the end of her Scouting days.

                                                              1. re: KailuaGirl

                                                                Wow! I used to help with a troop and one little girl kept smacking me
                                                                On the butt and yelling "fatty" and running away. Wish that brat got kicked out!

                                                                1. re: KailuaGirl

                                                                  I punched my Scout Leader in the face. Just to clarify this wasn't an adult, it was a boy scout assistant to our den mother, I was still a cub scout, not boy scout.

                                                                  The Scout Leader was a Boy Scout who was helping his mom out as den mom, however he was also one of the cub scouts older brothers and a bit of a bully, so I punched him in the face for bullying us.

                                                                  He beat me up pretty good, but I did give him a black eye and since I threw the first punch, I was expelled.

                                                            2. re: Veggo

                                                              Is this the Mc Donald's executive compensation thread?

                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                Could be if you give me a minute...let me get my copy of the flight plan out...ha!

                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                  I touch all the bases. I left the Boy Scouts because I developed stronger interests in girls, alcohol, explosives, and drugs when I was about 13. I was a homeless waif at 15, and an Ivy League student at 17. They makes mistakes, too.

                                                              2. re: HillJ

                                                                Over 20 years ago our employer stopped donating to UW because of the BSA issue.

                                                              3. re: Veggo

                                                                Mine, too. When the religious crazies got them to withdraw funding from Planned Parenthood I stopped giving to UW and started giving to PP directly.
                                                                I've always bought GS cookies to support the daughters of friends, but don't get excited about them. I'd rather eat the ones I bake in my own oven, to tell you the truth.

                                                            3. re: c oliver

                                                              I'm not buying products from the Boy Scouts because they've now got the unmitigated gall to charge $20 (twenty bucks!!) for a bag of popped popcorn.

                                                              That popcorn better buy me dinner and take me dancing.

                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                  nah...that stretches the definition of "cougar" a little tighter than I'd want to try to fit into. It was Cub Scouts trying (in vain) to sell popcorn at the supermarket.

                                                                  People were giving them donations, because they weren't going to cough up a Jackson for a bag of popcorn (and it wasn't a very big bag...)

                                                                2. re: sunshine842

                                                                  I'll do that, but I need a permission note from your husband...:)

                                                                3. re: c oliver

                                                                  I'm on the same page as you are c oliver. When the local Boy Scouts were selling (outrageously priced) popcorn outside the supermarket a few weeks ago, I told them I couldn't support them until the organization changed their policies with regard to gays. Oh, and did I mention that my gay son is an Eagle Scout? (Yes, really!)

                                                                  1. re: CindyJ

                                                                    good for him, I got bored before I got anywhere close to Eagle. (but I AM Order of the Arrow!)

                                                                    1. re: hill food

                                                                      A good friend of mine was awarded the Silver Beaver award...it's been almost 10 years since the ceremony, and I've finally managed to stop snickering every time he mentions it.

                                                                      Fortunately, he's a really good friend, and usually ends up laughing with me.

                                                      1. My favorite poster, which is soooooooo hard to find, is a pregnant Girl Scout with the motto "Be Prepared" underneath.

                                                        And being the person that I am, I asked them yesterday, "Are these made from real Girl Scouts?" before I bought my half dozen boxes.

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                                                        1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                          You should be relieved to know there is a factory in Indonesia where only women of ages from 6-96 slave for 18 hours a day making cookies, the factory is called the "Girl-Scout" factory. So to answer your questions, yes they are made by "real" girl scouts. Enjoy!

                                                          (this is a completely fictitious statement)

                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                            I think it was supposed to be an Addams Family reference. Not a factory comment.

                                                            1. re: melpy

                                                              There's a reason I'm often compared to a campfire, we are both cheerful, but neither are very bright.

                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                Never allow the truth to get in the way of a good story.

                                                          2. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                            "Be Prepared" is actually the BOY Scout motto (maybe that's the point!).

                                                            1. re: Chowbird

                                                              If you think about it, a boy was definitely involved.

                                                              You can view the poster at


                                                              And it is yours for only $550.

                                                          3. Nobody under the age of 90 listens to these programs. The haters are dying out.

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                                                              1. re: Just Visiting

                                                                So..you wish certain demographics would die quicker ? And in larger amounts ?

                                                                1. re: rochfood

                                                                  Here we go again. I believe, by way of hyperbole (with which you *maybe* are familiar), we were expressing our hope that these antiquated and HATEFUL views will die out soon.

                                                                  Really. Don't pretend JV is invoking genocide.

                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                    Since I can't read your mind..I can only read what is written. Saying 90 years old and dying together is hardly "hyperbole".
                                                                    Where is the "hyperbole" in your comment ? Hyperbole is "that weighs a ton" Obvious exaggeration.
                                                                    So is saying you look "gay: Hyperbole ?

                                                                    1. re: rochfood

                                                                      Hyperbole was the wrong term, sorry to confuse you.

                                                                      Perhaps I should let LV reply, given that you originally answered to him/her.

                                                                      Also, I have no idea what your last sentence is supposed to mean, so I'll bow out of this exchange.

                                                            1. Fringe groups attack Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, next it will be the doggie breath of guide dogs.
                                                              I'll take a box of the Caramel deLites and the Peanut Butter Sandwiches.

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                                                              1. re: Veggo

                                                                What fringe groups attack Boy Scouts?

                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                  Well, I don't ATTACK them but I have withdrawn my support until they change. And that's going to mean allowing gay leaders as well as boys.

                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                    Are you fringe?

                                                                    I don't think if gays and their supporters as fringe.

                                                                    Nor you. ;-)

                                                              2. <if you absolutely must purchase the treats โ€” to cross out every reference to the youth organization on the box with a black magic marker.>

                                                                Because that makes sense? Try to boycott buying the item, but if you do buy the item pretend it's something else? Is he saying that seeing the words and images on the boxes will turn you into a lesbian seeking an abortion? Awesome and well thought out plan.

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                                                                1. re: viperlush

                                                                  right, because no one will recognize the iconic color and shape of a girl scout cookie box if the words are blocked out??? SMH. what a moron.

                                                                  1. re: viperlush

                                                                    WHen we all know it is it is the special fairy dust they put in the in the cookies

                                                                  2. Regarding your experience with GSUSA, the organization has changed somewhat and is pretty liberal. I am a lifetime member.

                                                                    1. Girl Scouts promote lesbianism? Hmm, if he wants to cut down on abortion shouldn't he support such an organization?

                                                                      Praise Jesus.


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                                                                      1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                                        Right? I'm sure lesbians have far fewer abortions per capita than hetero women!

                                                                      2. If you spend your time looking for wackos, you will find many. Unfortunately the media world is setup to make it seem like their influence is greater than it actually is.

                                                                        1. I love Girl Scout cookies, but I think you are overreacting. You are saying that you are buying Girl Scout Cookies because some right wing conservatives attack Girl Scout for being too liberal. You know. The left wing liberals can definitely attack Girl Scout one day too for being too conservative. What are you going to do? Suddenly stop buying Girl Scout cookies?

                                                                          It is the same organization, and the same cookies.

                                                                          Buy them for what they are not, not because someone told you to buy/not buy them.

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                                                                          1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                            Actually I no longer buy GS cookies, I just give them money. But I don't do it because they're being attacked by some wing nuts. I do it because they walk the walk that I believe in.

                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                              I buy girl scout cookies, because it has been very hard for me to say no to little adorable girls without the puppy eyes. :) Ok, that is only part of it. I also happen to like the cookies too.

                                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                Opps. I meant to say "because it has been very hard for me to say no to little adorable girls with the puppy eyes", not "without the puppy eyes". My god, I really need to double check what I typed.

                                                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                  I am now picturing zombie like walking dead scouts with big gaping holes instead of eyes "buy my cookies", <drool>.

                                                                                  Sleeping with the light on tonight I guess.

                                                                              2. re: c oliver

                                                                                Ditto. Or I buy a box for the troop to share at those booth sales. Not usually hit up at work so booth sales is my only exposure. I will eat a box of thin mints in one sitting if left to my own devices so I don't buy them.

                                                                                1. re: melpy

                                                                                  Oh, I like thin mints the best too.

                                                                                  I can usually finish the supermarket normal thin chocolate mint cookies (not the girl scout one) in one sitting. However, I try to slowly eat the girl scout Thin Mint because I know they are not all year round, so I try to "stretch" out my enjoyment. I just tell myself that "if you eat too fast, then they will be gone, and you will have nothing to eat". That works for me. :)

                                                                                  1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                    I had a friend in HS whose family bought 75 boxes of GS cookies one year... And I don't think they were giving them as gifts.

                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                        It is. And for even more awesome... Imagine the herd of girls the following year, decimating entire lawns, trampling bushes, and knocking over mail boxes, to get to their house first. STAMPEDE

                                                                                        1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                          Oh, I didn't even think of that. Just imagine you are the first girl scout to sell 75 boxes in one shot. That beats sitting under the sun for hours in front of supermarkets.

                                                                                      2. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                        True. I love the grasshopper cookies but the thin mints are better. Sometimes I would freeze them because it tastes good and I would forget about them.

                                                                                        1. re: melpy

                                                                                          You probably don't know this. After I run out my Thin Mint, I usually go buy a box of grasshopper cookies (Keebier) from supermarkets.

                                                                                          <Sometimes I would freeze them because it tastes good and I would forget about them.>

                                                                                          Really? Does it work by freezing and thawing?

                                                                                          1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                            Not only does it work they also taste really good frozen.

                                                                                            1. re: chowser

                                                                                              And if you put them in your big deep freeze, your significant other might not find them. Darn allergies, I miss tagalongs/peanut butter patties

                                                                                              1. re: chowser

                                                                                                Thin Mints must be frozen and served with ice cold milk.

                                                                                                I actually prefer the Oven-Baked brand of chocolate fudge mint cookies over the Girl Scout brand.

                                                                                                1. re: melpy

                                                                                                  Seriously, some mint choc chip btwn two frozen GS mint cookies to go please!

                                                                                    1. "Don't pretend JV is invoking genocide."

                                                                                      Oh, I'm so disappointed. Was so looking forward to the anti-hate pogrom.


                                                                                      1. Yeah there is a meme in this somewhere....
                                                                                        "I'm here, I' m queer, I like cookies"......?

                                                                                        The world is very strange sometimes ;)

                                                                                        1. You know what? People are painting every Muslim on earth as agents of a hostile world takeover, meanwhile this shit gets promoted as the Lesbian Girl Scouts want to take over the earth. I had NO IDEA that there were so many stupid melonfarmers of an adult age that couldn't think like one. It scares the hell out of me.
                                                                                          Girls scouts are not the antichrist, they're groups of girls that want to learn some skills, for crying out loud. If you don't want your daughter to be one, she doesn't have to be. But that makes me wonder about you, big-time, and what conspiracies you think are lurking out there. It must be scary to be you, not to mention your daughter.

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                                                                                            1. re: Chowbird

                                                                                              I was watching "Die Hard" on one of the Turner movei channels, and almost died laughing when Bruce Willis said to Hans, "Yippee Ki-Yay, melonfarmer,"

                                                                                          1. Yeah. Well, when I was a Brownie, we had to sell calendars, door to door. People were weird. This radio idiot is typical of the morons we encountered.

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                                                                                            1. I quit girl scouts because I couldnt find a troup that didnt wasnt led by a cookie pimp. I wanted to be a girl scout. I wanted to camp and learn cool stuff.. but it seemed to be focused allllll on cookie selling ( of which we got 15 cents a box). think about it when you see girl scouts on tv or in cartoon it is always a joke about selling cookies the two are intertwined.... not the same with the boyscout image with conjurs up pictures of camping jambories and fires and knives and hikes... I just said I really didnt want to be used to peddle cookies like some Dickens character to line someone elses pocket...

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                                                                                              1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                Yeah, but selling those cookies gets you pretty far. It got my troop to a Girl Scout center in central Mexico, it got us multiple week long campouts, tons of day trips, and it showed me the value of working hard for a goal. Was selling cookies in the snow wildly fun? Nah. But was meeting Girl Scouts from all over the world while doing community service in a Mexican village? You bet. Don't be so quick to dismiss the "cookie pimps". It's a big part of what made me a decent, responsible adult.

                                                                                                1. re: Hobbert

                                                                                                  could you have gotten to that goal if you had held your own bake sale and made cookies and made more than 15 cents on them? Or held a Round The WOrld dinner at 10.00 bucks a plate? Had a pet clinic and earn 30% split with the vet, or had girls actually do more work than have mommies and daddys take the cookie form to work with them. It is not just GS I dont sell wrapping paper for chior either or take part in any professional "Fundraiser" that uses childlabor...example while the girls were selling "fundriser" cookie dough for their cheerleader uniforms at 15.00 to get 1.50 toward a 750.00 dollar debt. I catered a kids party for 150.00. Mowed two lawns for 50.00 sold a dozen jars of hambuger sauce 120.00 private chefed an aniversery dinner 300.00, catered an office lunch 500.00... I think learning not be taken advantage of is a pretty important lesson.... and everytime I get called into the school gym and hear someone sing the ra ra song about peddling their wrapping paper and "winning" a plastic keychain and earning the school pennies on the dollar ..I want to puke.

                                                                                                  1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                    We made far more than 15ยข/box. Things may be different now. And, yes, the cookie money was supplemented by part time jobs and a variety of other fundraisers. It's fine if you don't want to be a Girl Scout- not everyone does. The hyperbole and disgust is a bit rude, however.

                                                                                                    1. re: Hobbert

                                                                                                      me, too -- I remember distinctly that it if you sold 300 boxes of cookies, you got a whole week at camp at no charge -- even back then it was a lot more than $45 for a week of camp.

                                                                                                    2. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                      girlofw, you sound too independent to follow the GS path. GS's follow THE LEADER. I think You want to be the leader. I think your confidence level is unique.

                                                                                                      When my children were in grade school and the PTA or athletics, choir or drama club raised funds they always did so through the sale of something or a dinner event. At the time, I thought why not just write a check and give 100% of that money to the effort. I don't need another box of this, that and the other. But, not many parents agreed with me. They preferred to receive something in exchange for giving a donation. And more folks agreed with that, then agreed with me.

                                                                                                      What you've outlined is basically your own version of fundraising through sales only you're controlling or partnering with someone to control the outcome and if it's a bigger outcome-more power to ya. But don't knock the GS's who sell cookies or follow their LEADERS. As Hobbert said, those lessons instill a good deal more than you might think.

                                                                                                      Raising confidence is priceless.

                                                                                                      1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                        GOTW, I'm 66 y.o. and you are MY kinda girl! Good for you. I hope you stay on this site til I'm reading about your adult self. Go, girl.

                                                                                                        1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                          Not every kid as access to all that's needed to do what you can do. We couldn't afford a babysitter when I was little, we had one big pot and one pan to cook with. I wouldn't have even known where to begin to hold or cater a charity dinner.

                                                                                                          And some of these girls do put in work going door to door, setting up booths at events, getting to know the community to sell these cookies.

                                                                                                          1. re: youareabunny


                                                                                                            Life lessons there -- not everyone has their own drummer. Doesn't make them sheep, but life would be unpleasant indeed if we all marched to our own drummer -- noise, chaos, and nothing works together.

                                                                                                          2. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                            If you have the sort of social connections and access to resources that allow you to conduct business with people who have $25 to spend on lawn mowing, $10 on a jar of sauce, or $300 on a catered dinner, then I think it's fantastic that you're capitalising on those opportunities and using your time, skills, and talents to benefit both yourself and the people who you cook for.

                                                                                                            But please, do recognise that the majority of people (of any age, but particularly young people) are *not* fortunate enough to have the same assets available to them. I truly do admire your entrepreneurial spirit and commitment to your obvious passion for food, but you are speaking from a position of privilege that not everyone can be in.

                                                                                                            To judge others as unwilling to "actually do more work than have mommies and daddys take the cookie form to work with them" because they sell boxes of fundraiser cookies (whether through choice or because that's the best option available to them) -- that strikes me as quite an unfair judgement on your fellow man... or fellow Girl Scout.

                                                                                                            1. re: Daisy.G

                                                                                                              (whether through choice or because that's the best option available to them)

                                                                                                              and I think that is the horrid thing...that the best option for them is to do all the work so the big corporation can use them so unfairly. We scream about child labor in developing countries yet offer up our children in the name of "good experince" everyyear as they pedle crap at unfair precentage cuts. We talk about how fair indenturend servitude and share croping was but we teach our children that it is ok to let these big coorperations take advanage of them?

                                                                                                              The first cookie sale was in Musgogee Oklahoma and it was a bakesale held by a troup.

                                                                                                              Little leauge use to be pic up game organized by neighborhoods

                                                                                                              it seems to me that the problems came when someone stuck their nose in and saw a way to make money off the kids

                                                                                                              My jugement and irk is not on the kids it is on the big buisness of funraising Those are the Pimps that use kids and organiztions...If a kid at six thisk I have no other way but to work my ass off for 15 cents to the dollar she/he will grow up thinking that is the path...teach him/her young NO that is a rip off lets learn to earn the whole dollar.

                                                                                                              and by the way dont judge ny life you dont know what I have avaliable...I work hard to make my connections and find my way. DO NOT begrudge me what I have accomplished It did not come easy or come from next door

                                                                                                              1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                Wasn't the scouting fundraising at the start a way to purchase/lease camping property, land? The BS/GS organizations both purchased a good deal of property (as non profits) to offer their own members camp ground spaces. Now a good deal of that usage has changed over the decades. But, the fundraising that is orchestrated today around cookie sales & popcorn cans is not the original story.

                                                                                                                Fundraising today is a cottage industry of epic proportions right? and the GS are only one example of where selling has become a bigger part of membership to offset the cost of running your club.

                                                                                                                1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                  If I got paid $50 for mowing lawns, it would've been because I mowed 50 lawns. And my childhood was not too long ago.

                                                                                                                  1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                    oh bunny - you were under-priced. back in the 80's I usually got about $8-15 depending on the size and the slope (we were hilly)

                                                                                                                    1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                      Poor neighborhood. Not even sure I could find 50 lawns :)

                                                                                                              2. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                When my son graduated from high school I secretly celebrated to myself that I would never, ever have to buy another goddamn Entertainment Book again as long as I lived.

                                                                                                                1. re: EWSflash

                                                                                                                  We save a ton of money with those books. I make us use it until it pays for the cost of the book and them some.

                                                                                                                  1. re: melpy

                                                                                                                    you are truly the only one I've ever heard to get their money back. We even used to keep the stupid book in the car so we'd have it *with* us, and still never made our cost back after all the goofy restrictions.

                                                                                                                    1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                      There was never anything we wanted to do/go/buy in the entertainment books.

                                                                                                                      We raised money for my son's band trip by participating in a program where the students and parents together provided the labor at the concession stand(s) at a major sports arena.

                                                                                                                      I would rather donate money directly to a worthy group/team than give them, say for example, eight dollars for some sort of crap and they get one dollar and give seven to a giant corporation who is using them. Gee, I could give them five dollars; I would save three dollars and they would increase their revenue five-fold.

                                                                                                                      1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                        That's exactly what I said up thread. And at the time my voicing that opinion to fellow parents was met by the sound of crickets. Blank stares. What a crazy idea..give 100% to the kids for art supplies, drama club, scholarships and trips? How dare I!! Foolish woman.

                                                                                                                        By the time my kids were in HS I just wrote a check and handed to the Board of Ed to distribute to HS scholarships. I couldn't be bothered with another fundraiser that took my hard earned dough. Now that was grade school fundraising.

                                                                                                                        Come college I felt entirely different.
                                                                                                                        And non profit fundraising of my choice, is my choice.

                                                                                                                        But the fundraising that went on in grade school was maddening. PS-every check I wrote was accepted without issue.

                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                          When I'm met w/ fundraising kids, I usually donate money. The PTA president at our elementary school even told us, if you hate the idea of fundraising but want to contribute, write a check! That said, there are some people who are natural salespeople and love doing it.

                                                                                                                          1. re: chowser


                                                                                                                            I admit I'm much more natural giving the PTA a check for the program than I'd ever be writing a check for a Christmas ornament knowing only .50-1.00 is going to that program. If I remember correctly student sales meant a) enlisting your parents, the extended family and the people your parents work with and b) winning some sort of trinket for selling the most.

                                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                              Fundraising is finnicky. Personally I'd be more comfortable selling trinkets than going door to door asking for cash and checks.

                                                                                                                              I used to work for my college fundraising. Before, they'd send letters to alma mater and receive around 1% response. Now they have a call center of freshman who ask them advice, strike up whatever comversation and at the end "by the way..." Think most I ever got was $600 but some of the veterans easily pulled $1200.

                                                                                                                              I lasted 2 weeks doing that. I'd rather sell gift wrap.

                                                                                                                              1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                Supporting fundraisers is a personal choice. No one ever came to our door asking for cash and checks, yourab. Plus, I was referring to grade school fundraising back when I wrote checks to the PTA. At that time, if my kids wanted to participate in school fundraisers they had to bring home a gift wrap kit, candy, brochures, etc with a sales form and then I as their parent needed to help them sell it by asking friends, family, etc. Then the orders would arrive and you spent a Sat breaking down the orders and making phone calls to the buyers. Door to door solicitation was never allowed. GS step up cookie sales in the cafeteria or approved commercial locations. Still do.

                                                                                                                                When the kids were in college, there were phone calls as you described, letters home, parent days where nothing was asked for but checks and we didn't give the college MORE money until our kids graduated. My niece attends college in CT, corporate sponsors are climbing over themselves to support the Univ.

                                                                                                                                Fundraising is more sophisticated now but choosing to give, hasn't changed all that much. Money is the goal not trinkets.

                                                                                                                                BTW-$600.00 in student sales is pretty darn good! Was it suppose to be a contest as to who could raise the most money?

                                                                                                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                  This was a call center at the university set up to solicit donations. Everyday was different but we mostly called alma mater. Calling parents of current students was largely pointless, lol

                                                                                                                                  So per call the most I ever got was $600. Some girls pulled $600 no issue and would easily get 1-2k. If I had to guess, my average was $140 or so but I did have lots of $10-30 donations in there that dropped my actual average to 78

                                                                                                                                  We were paid $7 an hour and bonuses based on this and that.

                                                                                                                                  When I was 10 our 5th grade teacher had us sell tickets for a movie after school. 1 month we would advertise for a movie day and tickets were $1. We used to play Disney movies. I don't imagine that going over well today lol. Not without a lawsuit

                                                                                                                                  1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                    That's so interesting. Maybe movies wouldn't work because every household can watch Disney on tv, streaming, etc. but when our public school held an outdoor movie theater night on the athletic field they raised $5K...after costs.

                                                                                                                                    Having students make calls, while paying them by the hour, while in college makes crazy sense (to me anyway). The whole point of a University Board of Trustees and Alumn is to raise money, big money.

                                                                                                                                    Don't get me started :)

                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                      I think we made $300. Lol. I was thinking more along the lines of... The legalities of making money by bringing a VHS Disney movie my teacher owned. I imagined today we'd need licensing snd what not

                                                                                                                                      Yes it makes total sense but it was not at all clear when I signed up for the job! But some people were naturals at it - in particular this one girl with braces and a very upbeat, spit filled voice. She pulled in the 4 figures easily. Our boss was the type to have luncheons and secure 6-7 figure donations. Alum were often very easy to get a donation from

                                                                                                                                      "Hi. I'm a current freshman at UCI. I was wondering if you had any advice for me?"
                                                                                                                                      "Can I just skip all this and donate?"
                                                                                                                                      ... How pretty much all my calls went (=

                                                                                                                                      1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                                        "The legalities of making money by bringing a VHS Disney movie my teacher owned. I imagined today we'd need licensing snd what not"

                                                                                                                                        nowdays there is, of course, company that does this The MPLC Umbrella License for Day Schools it doesnt cover all movies but I talked my school librian into getting it.Me and the gym teacher do coummnity outreach (we are at 35%edo) where we do dinner and cooking demos and decided to do Dinner and movie...but it covers alllll showing

                                                                                                                        2. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                          "eight dollars for some sort of crap and they get one dollar and give seven to a giant corporation who is using them"
                                                                                                                          .I tried to point this out but was accused of being privliged, indulged and I think the other one may have been something like selfcentered I cant remember...

                                                                                                                          1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                            It's great that you have opportunity to raise funds in ways but not everyone has access to canning etc.

                                                                                                                            People are going to buy cookies and gift Wrap anyway. May as well buy it from the school and if people feel so inclined, make donations on their own.

                                                                                                                            1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                              Excuse me girlofw, not everyone. Fundraising is a choice-to participate in and support. Clearly there are diff ways to accomplishing fundraising goals. As a young lady, you've set some pretty high goals for yourself as it is.

                                                                                                                              I'm sure your family has already shared that when you think unconventionally, you're bound to hear a few counter opinions. You decide how much you allow that to impact your vision. Some great ideas and advice on this thread.

                                                                                                                              1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                                I view big fundraising as a necessary evil. When the GS do it, 70% goes back to the troop. While it's great that you have the means to do your own fundraising and make money, many of the girls in GS don't. You are privileged and that's a good thing, something to be appreciated. The cookie sales goes in part to helping troops that aren't as wealthy. It's by no means a perfect system but it works.

                                                                                                                            2. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                              We live in a small area so there aren't many restrictions on location. The best deal is the card which lets you get 10-17 dollars off a meal at restaurants. One time use only. The local Mexican place has coupons we use at lunch. We can get movie tickets and golf greens fees as well.

                                                                                                                              1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                                BF's parents keep the book in the car to use the car wash coupons during love bug season in Florida. They have gotten better at remembering to look at restaurants, but mainly use the book for the car washes.

                                                                                                                      2. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                        Being part of GS and selling the cookies also means being part of the gs community since part of the profits goes to helping the girls who can't afford to do it on their own. It's about being part of a community, beyond your own experiences,or it should be. All those experiences, camping, trips, etc. are pretty costly. Some girls have the means to pay themselves or raise the money themselves but not all. I hated cookie sales but neighbors told me they loved buying cookies and got on my case for not bringing my daughter over. Some girls love the sales; some don't. You do what you can.

                                                                                                                        When my son did taekwando, he was on the team. They were required to do team fund raising, eg car washes, bake sales. Some of the rich parents asked if they could just write a check and exempt their children. The instructor said no because it's about being part of the team, and you can't be exempt just because you have money.

                                                                                                                        1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                          "They were required to do team fund raising, eg car washes, bake sales."

                                                                                                                          to me that "team building"is different fundraising than what I am talking about... I am against the bigmachine comerical fundraiser that peddals off the organization as the middle man giving them pennies on the dollar using kids.

                                                                                                                          1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                            Ideally we would get rid of all middle men but that's not going to happen. But, the cookie "pimp" you refer to is making no money, and spent a lot of her time/energy/money so a little appreciation would be nice instead of name calling, because it is such a thankless job. I was a troop leader, never cookie mom because it was so much work, Honestly, I quit because I was tired of over-privileged girls (as I admittedly was at that age) who didn't appreciate what others did for them, as volunteers.

                                                                                                                            1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                              Amen a thousand times. My mom was troop leader, cookie chairman, and regional chairman (don't remember the correct term) and it was 25 years before she ever volunteered for anything else.

                                                                                                                              I was team mom, PTA, room mom, teacher's assistant, and on the board for several sports....and you volunteer because you're helping the kids, not because you enjoy dealing with the constant criticism and namecalling....from the parents.

                                                                                                                              1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                                sunshine - so you never learned the rule "don't use the bathroom during a meeting, much less a vote" as people will either talk about you or nominate you to the worst positions?

                                                                                                                                how my mom got saddled with 'cookie manager' one year.

                                                                                                                                1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                  heehee -- when I grumbled to her once about nasty people, she looked and me and just asked how long it was going to take me to learn to sit on my hands when they ask for volunteers.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                                    Ugh. Hubby did soccer coaching/managing and boy scouts for many years.

                                                                                                                                    There were moments that I wanted to smack some of those parents.

                                                                                                                                    There were many, many more moments that I was happy to meet so many nice parents.

                                                                                                                        2. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                          When my daughter's GS troop disbanded, they took their years' worth of saved up cookie money and rented a really nice condo at the beach for a week. I think that was a great lesson in money management.

                                                                                                                          1. re: CindyJ

                                                                                                                            Yep, the money the troop earns stays with the troop. Of course, each troop has to follow council guidelines about how to spend it but it's fairly liberal. We did all sorts of neat things and I would encourage every girl to try it out. I'm 32 years old and still have friends from Girl Scouts!

                                                                                                                        3. I don't know if this is real, but I got a laugh out of it and its of a similar vein..

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                                                                                                                          1. re: youareabunny

                                                                                                                            Sadly, not exactly real. That's another of the fine non-published publications from the good folk at Landover Baptist ( http://www.landoverbaptist.org/easter... ) -- non-publishers of other works such as "Daddy, Why Did Jesus Kill Grandma? (the colouring book!)".

                                                                                                                          2. yes, marching cadres of sugar-fueled little girls and young woman indoctrinated in a radical feminist collective idealogy. how could we not have seen it?

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                                                                                                                            1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                              You forgot about the rampant abortions.

                                                                                                                              1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                I'll give that idiot "helpmeet". I'll help my foot meet his rear end.

                                                                                                                              2. Good ol' sexism is alive and kicking. Not to mention about a few million other stinky POVs. What a nasty excuse for a human being.

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                                                                                                                                1. I guess I am not as liberal as I thought-
                                                                                                                                  but Boy Scouts helped my son be the man he is today.
                                                                                                                                  He did unashamedly become an Eagle Scout.
                                                                                                                                  He is also a lawyer and librarian.
                                                                                                                                  I raised my son alone-his father died when he was 2 1/2 yrs. old.

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: jpr54_1

                                                                                                                                    you have every right to be proud.

                                                                                                                                    I think the point of many, is that some seem to need to deflate the pride in others to create their own. an Eagle wouldn't do that.

                                                                                                                                    an in any case this really isn't about the Boy or Girl Scouts, but rather some outsider trying to use engineered misconceptions for personal gain.