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Adam Platt Kicked out of ZZ's Clam Bar

So let's talk about this: http://www.grubstreet.com/2013/10/ada...

Never been a fan of these guys anyway, but now even less so.

Even if it was retaliation for his average review of Carbone, kicking him out sends completely the wrong message, no matter how you spin it.

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  1. Good riddance. His zero star rating of Hakkasan was ludicrous.

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    1. re: Pookipichu

      So because he wrote a review you disagree with he should be kicked out of a restaurant?

      1. re: MVNYC

        I have no idea why he was kicked out of the restaurant, we only have one side of the story, his. He says he had been eating there 2 hours before he was kicked out AND they paid for his party's bill. All around it's very strange. But at the end of the day, I find his reviews biased in the extreme, uninformed and they do a disservice to the industry he supposedly has the credentials to review. He is a public figure given a pulpit to educate and critique fairly on food. That he is given a voice and influence means he has a responsibility to be fair. There's a big difference between a fair critique and a critique someone simply disagrees with. Considering I find his reviews lack credibility, it's no wonder I take everything he says with a grain of salt.

        1. re: Pookipichu

          Not sure what you thought about his basically letting his two kids write this week's review of Han Dynasty! A fun read, but plus/minus on the usefulness front...

          1. re: Pookipichu

            "I have no idea why he was kicked out of the restaurant ..."

            Really? You see no connection between his pan of Carbone and his being bounced out of ZZ's?

            Let me help you out. On the Grubstreet article reporting the ejection there was this comment posted by a NY Magazine staffer.
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            I can't believe our Plattypants neglected to mention that these guys sent him a HUGE bouquet of helium balloons reading things like "Great Job!" and "You're the best!" as a sarcastic response to his Carbone review. We distributed them around the NY Mag office on a tough close day, and they brought us much cheer for weeks before they slowly deflated and sunk to the ground one by one. This is the Best. Feud. Ever.
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            Still think there was no connection?

            1. re: Bob Martinez

              I've been to Carbone and agree with Platt's one star review. I actually thought he was being too generous with that rating. Just average food at such high prices.

              1. re: Bob Martinez

                When his reviews lack credibility. I question his general credibility. I don't believe him. Did he provoke? Did his party members engage in some action? Perhaps I was not clear enough, we have ONE side of the story, his side. Why should I believe him...

                1. re: Pookipichu

                  Sure. Platt probably got drunk, threw food on the floor and started cursing loudly. He does it all the time. Everybody know that.

                  Please.

                  Read the full Grubstreet interview with Platt. If anything, he *underplays* the awkwardness of the event.

                  This story has been out there for 24 hours. That's plenty of time for Carbone and Torrisi to respond. Their silence speaks volumes.

                  1. re: Bob Martinez

                    Were you there. You seem very confident in your statements, when in reality you are simply assuming things and declaring them with certainty. Please indeed.

                    1. re: Pookipichu

                      Do you think Platt made it up?

                      I'm applying Occam's razor here. Rather that postulate some wildly unlikely reason for the incident I'm drawing the most logical conclusion based on the facts we know.

                      * Platt gave a bad review to Carbone.

                      * Carbone and Torrisi got pissed off. The balloon story that I quoted above backs that up.

                      * Platt got kicked out of ZZ's.

                      Either T&C were retaliating or that's an awful lot of coincidences.

              2. re: Pookipichu

                All critics reviews are biased, they are opinions. You may like some better than others, or are in line with what your tastes are like but at the end of the day all critics reviews should be taken with a grain of salt.

                I don't think that is a reason to kick someone out of your restaurant. You also have no reason to assume he was acting out of place in the restaurant because you don't agree with his reviews

                1. re: MVNYC

                  I don't find him credible, that's my opinion. If you believe him, that's your opinion. You DON'T know that he didn't do something to provoke or cause his eviction, he had been sitting there for 2 hours without incident.

                  1. re: Pookipichu

                    Wow, settle down. None of us know the specifics but from the evidence Bob kindly posted above one can draw some conclusions.

                    I haven't been to Carbone but I didn't like Torisi very much which Platt did like.

                    1. re: MVNYC

                      I'm completely calm, please review the posts. I stated my opinion, you and Bob came along and stated what I should think or believe, neither of which I have done to either of you.

                      Secondly, if sarcasm is kindness then yes, Bob's post was kindly done. I've had quite a bit from him so he must be very kind to me.

                    2. re: Pookipichu

                      I have no vested interest, I don't know Platt or even know about him (I live near Montreal) nor do I know anything about ZZ.
                      However, the OP title caught my eye.
                      FWIW, to me, Platt sounds like a smartass and I'm guessing he is not as innocent as he claims in the interview.

                      "And you weren't misbehaving?
                      I don't think so. We weren't drinking to excess. We weren't breaking any crockery. I think we were on our best behavior."

                      This sounds like a smoke screen answer (or in other words, a crock of shit).

                      Solely based on the this thread and the interview, I think he was kicked out because of previous bad blood. However, I think he planned it in part and is certainly trying to maximize the situation to his benefit.

                      Is the owner correct to throw him out? I dunno, it certainly seems to be in bad form (but we only have one side as you say). Equally bad form is a taking advantage of certain situations for personal benefit...

                      1. re: Pookipichu

                        Here's what I *think* happened.

                        Platt and his friend came into the restaurant and had a long meal. At a certain point one of the staff thought, based on the way Platt was taking notes, taking pictures, etc., that Platt might be a critic. Once they realized it was Platt they called Carbone and Torrisi and asked them what they should do. (They knew T&C were pissed at Platt.)

                        T&C answered "Kick the bastard out."

                        Now that's an educated guess - I've got no proof. Then again, Torrisi and Carbone are strangely silent about this.

                        1. re: Bob Martinez

                          Bob, I think you're 100% right. Also, most restaurants have a sheet in the back with photos and names of VIPs who servers are told to look out for.

                          Obviously most credible establishments don't kick them out...

                          1. re: loratliff

                            Thanks.

                            Carbone and Torrisi are working on a new restaurant slated to open in about 6 months. I wonder if it was such a great idea to declare war on NY critics.

                            1. re: Bob Martinez

                              It's really a war on customers too, to a point. It makes me wonder why they didn't want Platt reviewing ZZ's. It's an immediate red-flag. Perhaps because they know what they're serving is grossly overpriced for what it is?

                              Not every restaurateur is Danny Meyer, but geez....

              3. That just sounds really immature to me......
                As a side note, danny meyer comes across looking like a true professional

                1. Kicking out in the middle of a meal...
                  I wouldn't go to any place with such immature attitude towards its customers.

                  1. Funny story. I wouldn't go to Zz Clam Bar anyway if you payed me. How pretentious does it get

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                    1. re: AubWah

                      Wise decision. I got dragged there for a business dinner. pretentious, overpriced, and mediocre.

                    2. As bad as Platt is, he doesnt deserve this.