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Do they use MSG to marinate meats?
Any idea which dishes a non-MSG eater should avoid?

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  1. You do realize that all soy sauces, fish sauces, miso, fermented bean pastes, fermented most things, as well as kombu, most mushrooms, and tomatoes...essentially the gamut of Asian cuisine, contains high amount of glutamic acid.

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    1. re: Xan7hos

      "...most mushrooms, and tomatoes..."
      I'm not talking naturally occurring glutamic acid, but artificially added.

      1. re: OscarFox

        Glutamic acid occurs - naturally - in everything I listed above, and msg is the chemically purified form of it. It would be analogous to me taking sugar cane juice and reducing it down and removing all the liquid to produce sugar crystals. My point being you can might be able to avoid msg in its processed form but you wouldn't be able to avoid glutamic acid via other forms, and your body and taste buds would process it the same.

        More so the marinated meats you'll find at yakinikus and kbbq all contain some form of glutamic acid through the listed ingredients...and even if you eat the nonmarinated stuff you'd have to avoid most dipping sauces and condiments as well.

        http://www.madfood.co/david-chang-3/

    2. Go to Park's BBQ. Get the unmarinated bone in short rib. It's the best cut anyways. Also Park's is much better than your two original options. Ask for salt and sesame oil to dip it in if you need a dipping sauce. Make sure you specify no msg. I suspect the regular one has some/a lot.

      Xan7hos is right. Anything with soy sauce contains msg.

      1. There are a series of degenerative motor neuron diseases that relate to glutamate’s toxicity. Among others: ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or Lou Gehrig's disease), MS (multiple sclerosis), &etc. By starting this thread, I was hoping to get info that could be useful to people suffering these types of diseases. Instead, I got a bunch of sarcasm. Oh well... Thanks anyways.

        http://www.alsa.org/research/about-al...

        http://www.livestrong.com/article/329...

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        1. re: OscarFox

          Sorry Oscar. My reply was just a joke response to ipse's, not to belittle your request. As someone with kids who have food allergies, I sympathize.

          I think the other comments were trying to be helpful in the sense that they were warning that avoiding MSG may not eliminate the possibility of exposure to glutamic acid. Also Porthos gave you a legit alternative.

          Perhaps there is a difference between MSG and naturally occurring glutamic acid in relation to the conditions you're talking about in which case finding a place that doesn't use MSG either as a matter of practice or upon request is useful even if one may not need to avoid mushrooms and soy sauce altogether. I don't really know but based on your comment I assume it does make a difference.

          1. re: OscarFox

            Well you did get one non-sarcastic response. You can still get the unmarinated short rib at Park's or any other BBQ place. The rib eye usually also comes unmarinated. I prefer the outside cap.

            Regarding the diseases you listed associated with glutamate toxicity wouldn't Asians have a much higher incidence of the diseases you listed since they consume soy sauce and/or fish sauce (which contain msg) on practically a daily basis and have for centuries? But they don't. In fact, they usually have a lower incidence.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/...

            http://www.nationalmssociety.org/abou...

            1. re: OscarFox

              My intention was to provide information so you can make better and more informed desicions about the things you eat. That being said I just find it strange that you're attempting to avoid glutamate toxicitiy in places known for serving things where glutamates are the driving force of flavor. Your request is akin to asking what vegan items I should order at a steak house. I firmly believe that diet is directly correlated to one's health and we shouldn't delude ourselves with misinformation in the hopes of aligning reality with perception.