ISO Kitchen Appliance suggestions (with shabbat mode)
We're doing a remodel - I saw threads on best appliances with shabbat mode from a few years ago, but of course, they bring out new models all the time. Anyone have suggestions on favorite (or least favorite) appliances, best ideas/ tips, thhings to stay away from. Extra points for discussion of the appliances utility in shabbat mode or ease of kashering.
Looking for everything, but especially ovens, fridge, stovetop, dishwashers, warming drawer or warming cabinet, wine fridge, microwaves, etc.
I had Kitchenaid in my last house. (Remodel in 2009)
Oven Shabbat mode was the best! Temp could be changed on yomtov and I could set the oven to turn off on Shabbat and the light wouldn't go on when I opened it. 4 years later the oven inside was a bit stained and one shelf was a little bent from heavy full pans but I would buy it again.
Cooktop is not a good choice (rubber feet get messed up when kashering for Pesach) and the two drawer dishwasher was too small for dinner plates. Star K says you can use one drawer for each but not run them at the same time.
The fridge that I had is no longer made (French doors) but the gaskets only lasted about 3 years and the kids managed to break the deli drawer. Shabbat mode turned the light and the water dispenser off. I would buy it again since my kids are out of the house.
The set looked GREAT though.
One FYI (learned the hard way) is that GE Monogram advertises the feature but doesn't make clear that it's a $1,000 add-on (which gives you about as much functionality as the $20 Shabbos Switch). Crazy to not include it in a refrigerator that's priced like a small car. GE's ranges offer it through a complicated series of button-pushes.
I'm very happy with my GE Spectra, but it was purchased 12 years ago, so I don't know if the same model is still available.
It works as SoCal described hers does: I can change the temp on yomtov, and also set it to turn off on Friday night. I have used it to finish baking challah, so it's hot out of the oven right before kiddush on Friday night. On Sukkot last month, I made challah on yomtov morning. Took the dough out of the fridge before shul, shaped it (did a round pull-apart with 12 "rolls"), and put it in when we walked in after shul. Thirty minutes later, we had piping hot
challah . . . such a treat.
My current oven (10 year old Thermador) has a so-called "Sabbath mode." It will stay on until I turn it off and the light won't go on when I open the door.
If I want to have the oven turn off Friday night the only way to do it is to leave the oven light on all Shabbat and NOT use the Shabbat mode. Total waste. It's also very difficult to figure out the controls, but it does keep very accurate temperatures.
Some ovens have a safety feature that they will go off after 12 hrs. Make sure you can disable that.
re: SoCal Mother
The 12 hour auto-turn-off feature on my GE Spectra is automatically disabled when in shabbat/yom tov mode. As for the light, it doesn't go on when the door is opened; there is a regular on-off switch next to the burner control knobs. Personally, I rarely use the light. Once I open the door, it's light enough to see in, especially if I pull a rack out to see whatever I'm cooking. And even with the light on, it's impossible to see anything inside through the window on the oven door, so I never use it when the door is closed.
I love the Sabbath mode on the Kitchen-Aid refrigerator. One button takes care of the lights and the ice maker. It's wonderful.
I'm also very happy with my Wolf cooktop. The gas does not have an automatic shut-off when the electricity (needed for electronin ignition) is turned off. This means that if you have a fire source you can use it to turn on the gas to light burners during Yom Tov.
Two cool things I did during my remodel that are wonderful:
1) I had a switch put in to control the electronic ignition - without it you have to climb in under the cooktop to pull the plug before yom tov, and then plug it back in when yom tov is over.
2) I have an outlet controlled by a timer - the same type that are used to have the lights go on and off. During a 3 day yom tov (like the ones we just had) I leave a crock pot plugged in and turned "on" before yom tov, but the outlet is "off." This way I can put all the chulent ingredients in the crock pot, and have the timer turn the outlet on Friday afternoon. You could probably do this for the urn too.