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Coop's Closing?

DiningDiva Oct 13, 2013 11:18 AM

Rumor has it that Coop's is struggling and thinking about closing? Anyone know if there's any truth to that rumor, or is it just that, a rumor?

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  1. Fake Name RE: DiningDiva Oct 13, 2013 11:28 AM

    His FB page has an impassioned plea for business https://www.facebook.com/CoopsBBQ

    1. foodiechick RE: DiningDiva Oct 13, 2013 12:35 PM

      Wonder if he overextended himself with that second location. Fingers crossed.

      1. Dagney RE: DiningDiva Oct 13, 2013 02:16 PM

        Noooooo!!!! NO!!! WTF??? They can't close.

        1. honkman RE: DiningDiva Oct 13, 2013 02:53 PM

          They have to adapt to the San Diego restaurant rule - no craft beer, no burger, no success

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            foodiechick RE: honkman Oct 13, 2013 03:20 PM

            And/or the San Diego market BBQ rule. Meat smoked low and slow over wood. Nah, "finish it off on the grill and douse it with sauce" so you can replicate Phil's success.

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              cstr RE: foodiechick Oct 14, 2013 08:43 AM

              You make an interesting point FC, I like Coop's, however what is the palate of SD'ians? Probably as you state, grill it to death and slather with Heinz. I do think being in LG is a big challenge but, my thought is the rent is reasonable and allows him to stay open. For me, I have no issue with the trek but, others may. I hope he can continue. If I had a choice, I'd like to see him in PB, OB or MB.

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                RB Hound RE: cstr Oct 14, 2013 11:08 AM

                Part of the problem is that he probably would not be able to run his operation in PB, OB, or MB - any neighbors would never go for the smoke. In fact, I doubt he could even do that on ECB in La Mesa, much less west of here.

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                  DiningDiva RE: RB Hound Oct 14, 2013 11:18 AM

                  Actually, I think he could in La Mesa, particularly if he were in the area around where Carnitas Uruapan is, or on the other side of the 125/94 interchange on the Casa de Oro side.

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                    Fake Name RE: DiningDiva Oct 14, 2013 11:28 AM

                    At that point, he might as well be in Lemon Grove.

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                      DiningDiva RE: Fake Name Oct 14, 2013 12:22 PM

                      Actually, I think Lemon Grove is a better location than either that end of La Mesa or Lemon Grove.

                      I was basically being a smart a** and replying to RBs post, which I may - or may not - have misread. I think there are areas in La Mesa where he probably could set up shop and do reasonably well. It's easier to get to than Lemon Grove (think I-8 vs. SR 94)

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                      RB Hound RE: DiningDiva Oct 14, 2013 11:29 AM

                      I'm not sure that location would be all that much better, Diva.

                      I think if you were able to place Coop's near some major employment hub it would do a heck of a lot better at lunch.

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                        Fake Name RE: RB Hound Oct 14, 2013 11:36 AM

                        Works for Abbys on Miramar.

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                          RB Hound RE: Fake Name Oct 14, 2013 11:57 AM

                          Fakey - I was going to suggest that he move to the KraftBeerCorridor, but we are already getting Supernatural Sandwiches and I didn't want to be that greedy.

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                          Dagney RE: RB Hound Oct 14, 2013 11:42 AM

                          Possible. We don't mind the drive, but we're in Alpine so everything is a drive. However if he was located slightly closer, say, in La Mesa or El Cajon, we would probably eat there more.

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                        Fake Name RE: RB Hound Oct 14, 2013 11:19 AM

                        Agreed.

                        Phils was nearly run out of Mission Hills, and he doesn't even smoke- just grill. He ended up installing something like $150k of scrubbers, and still it was smokey for other businesses in the area.

                        MrsName and I were in Austin a few months ago, and the line for Franklins was HOURS long- I wouldn't even stay. While I suspect Coops is not quite at that level, he's certainly the best SD has to offer. Lines should be at least a half-hour long.

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                          littlestevie RE: Fake Name Oct 14, 2013 01:19 PM

                          Ehhh, you should have hopped in the car and driven down to Lockhart. There you would have had your choice of 3 places. No super long lines.

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                            Fake Name RE: littlestevie Oct 14, 2013 01:26 PM

                            Yeah, I tried Green Mesquite and it sucked.

                            (oh, wait. The culture was interesting.)

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                              deckape RE: Fake Name Oct 14, 2013 02:12 PM

                              You missed Black's, you missed BBQ in Lockhart.

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                                littlestevie RE: deckape Oct 14, 2013 02:23 PM

                                Yes, Black's was heaven on earth. Had snacks at Smitty's and Kreuz's, both were very good. Did not try Green Mesquite

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                          cstr RE: RB Hound Oct 14, 2013 11:40 AM

                          Not sure about that, ever smell the odor from a Sammy's Wood Fired Pizza place? They're all over SD. Smoke grabbers would probably would be cost prohibited for Coop's.

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                            Fake Name RE: cstr Oct 14, 2013 11:47 AM

                            I think there's smoke, and then there's smoke. I believe smoker smoke is burning a lot of fat, and Sammy's isn't.

                            But we're all assuming he's got costs under control, etc. Maybe he's taking a huge salary or something? I doubt it, but there are a lot of factors in the equation.

                            I hope he survives- second best in town, best one can buy.

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                          psychotron RE: cstr Oct 14, 2013 04:02 PM

                          Tough to hear that Coop's is struggling. I think location does have a bit something to do with it, as that trek to LG does represent a barrier to some. The exposure of his restaurant just isn't the same. However, I think the bigger issue is the notion of what constitutes BBQ for San Diegans. I've always enjoyed Phil's, until I lived in Texas, which completely changed my perception of BBQ. BBQ in Texas is all about time & smoke and that notion, appreciation, and tradition has been around for a while. It's something that is missing in SD, partially due to the unavailability of it for so long. The type of BBQ that Phil's serves up is probably more familiar to most people. It's a catch-22, but hopefully something that a place like Coop's can break. I wish him the best.

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                        Josh RE: honkman Oct 13, 2013 04:01 PM

                        Craft beer + legit BBQ should bring in business. Lemon Grove is a bit of a haul, though. He probably would have killed on ECB.

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                          RB Hound RE: Josh Oct 13, 2013 07:26 PM

                          Coop's isn't all that far from one of the better stocked (in craft beer) liquor stores that few people know about or visit. It is called "Palm Springs Liquor", which seems incredibly illogical until you look at their location on the map (on Palm less than a block from Spring, in La Mea).

                          Seriously, I think you've hit it on the nose, though - location, location, location.

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                            honkman RE: RB Hound Oct 13, 2013 07:58 PM

                            Not sure if it is the location and not more as FC wrote that people are more used to enjoy (and expect) modified ketchup like at Phils than BBQ

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                              Josh RE: honkman Oct 14, 2013 11:21 AM

                              Thought experiment: would people drive to Lemon Grove for Phil's?

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                                Fake Name RE: Josh Oct 14, 2013 11:29 AM

                                Ooo. Good question from our Great Northern Friend.

                                I suspect not.

                                'Nother question: Does Phil's sell fetish beer?

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                                  Josh RE: Fake Name Oct 14, 2013 02:07 PM

                                  Last time I was at Phil's they had some decent beers available. Unfortunately most of their customers are philistines so they need a good stock of macro swill to placate the pedestrian palates.

                                  They once had AleSmith Anvil ESB which is a great beer for pairing with meat that's been bathed in burned sugar sauce.

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                                    Dagney RE: Josh Oct 14, 2013 03:32 PM

                                    Philistines. Love it. Reminds me of the movie Big Night.

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                                      Fake Name RE: Josh Oct 14, 2013 04:28 PM

                                      "Unfortunately most of their customers are philistines so they need a good stock of macro swill to placate the pedestrian palates."

                                      You'll be thrilled to learn Karl Strauss is releasing *Peanut Butter Porter* soon at Hamiltons.
                                       
                                        
                                       
                                       
                                       
                                       Obviously for those of higher taste and sensibility.
                                       
                                       
                                       

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                                        The Office Goat RE: Fake Name Oct 14, 2013 04:59 PM

                                        Someone else (Mother Earth Brewing?) had a peanut butter porter at Stone's Anniversary Party ... and it was awesome.
                                        My wife, my dad and I all went back for seconds.

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                                          Josh RE: Fake Name Oct 14, 2013 05:26 PM

                                          Excellent. I hope they will be handing out monocles and smoking jackets to convey the high degree of erudition implied by such a concoction.

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                                            Fake Name RE: Josh Oct 14, 2013 05:33 PM

                                            That's the spirit!

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                                      foodiechick RE: Josh Oct 14, 2013 11:39 AM

                                      Great though experiment! I think probably. It's kind of a hive mind mentality, much the same as Cheesecake Factory.

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                                        foodiechick RE: Josh Oct 14, 2013 11:40 AM

                                        New favorite term: fetish beer!

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                                          honkman RE: Josh Oct 14, 2013 11:42 AM

                                          With the current name recognition in SD I think people also would drive to Lemon Grove (not on the same level as they do with the current location but more than enough to keep them open)

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                                            DiningDiva RE: Josh Oct 14, 2013 12:24 PM

                                            I think it would depend upon where in Lemon Grove he was located, how accessible it was and how much free parking was available.

                                            But Phil's demographic has never been the East County/Lemon Grove crowd. Santee was his concession to the East County and he's done phenomenal business there.

                                  2. ipsedixit RE: DiningDiva Oct 13, 2013 08:07 PM

                                    Maybe he needs "menu-greeters"?

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                                      DiningDiva RE: ipsedixit Oct 14, 2013 12:32 PM

                                      What? In Daisy Dukes?

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                                        Fake Name RE: DiningDiva Oct 14, 2013 01:11 PM

                                        That'd be ok, sure.

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                                          cstr RE: DiningDiva Oct 15, 2013 04:25 PM

                                          Got anything shorter?

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                                            DiningDiva RE: cstr Oct 15, 2013 10:17 PM

                                            There's always a thong...

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                                              DoctorChow RE: DiningDiva Oct 15, 2013 10:18 PM

                                              Hmmmmm.....

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                                                ipsedixit RE: DiningDiva Oct 16, 2013 07:24 AM

                                                Makes getting into the General Lee all that much, ahem, better.

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                                                  cstr RE: ipsedixit Oct 16, 2013 08:27 AM

                                                  YES!

                                        2. DiningDiva RE: DiningDiva Oct 14, 2013 12:31 PM

                                          Location issues aside...

                                          San Diego may - or may not - be at risk of losing it's best BBQ (FNs BBQ prowess notwithstanding)

                                          Looking at it from the outside in, I thought it was odd to hear he might be going out of business given that he just opened the south county location. Running 1 place is hard enough, two is even tougher. On the other hand, hasn't he had something like 2 fires in the last year or so? I would imagine that kind of plays havoc with the insurance rates and my guess is the health department is probably leaning on him pretty heavily to deal with whatever the structural issues are that keep causing fires. 2 restaurants and 2 fires could certainly wreck a restaurant's financial viability in short order.

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                                            The Office Goat RE: DiningDiva Oct 14, 2013 05:03 PM

                                            Some would say we already lost it when Gellerosa shut down in the early 1990s.

                                            Now that I have a smoker at home I would kill to know what they did so I could replicate it.

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                                              Fake Name RE: The Office Goat Oct 14, 2013 05:11 PM

                                              Smoker in your backyard?

                                              : )

                                               
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                                                cstr RE: Fake Name Oct 15, 2013 07:30 AM

                                                Ou....Ou....brisket??

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                                                  Fake Name RE: cstr Oct 15, 2013 07:58 AM

                                                  I'm not much of a brisket guy- it's my suspicion brisket ain't what it used to be from the butcher.

                                                  Ribs, pork shoulder, chicken.

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                                                    cstr RE: Fake Name Oct 15, 2013 09:10 AM

                                                    Yah, hard to find, you need a ''whole' brisket for good results. Costco business center carries them. Back to Coop's, how about organizing a CH Coop's day?

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                                                      Beach Chick RE: Fake Name Oct 16, 2013 07:10 AM

                                                      Tofu?

                                                      Are you ready to release your smoker blend concotion?
                                                      ; )

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                                                    The Office Goat RE: Fake Name Oct 15, 2013 08:42 AM

                                                    Yup!
                                                    An old roommate left a perfectly good Cookshack 008 in my back yard when he moved out. It sat untouched for more than 5 years, with only a nylon cover for protection from the elements, and then (before I was going to chuck it out as I figured it was shot) I fired it up and it worked just fine.

                                                    I've done everything from a whole feral pig head to cheddar cheese in the thing in the last year and a half. Just did a couple racks of ribs and some ham hocks on Saturday.

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                                                      cstr RE: The Office Goat Oct 15, 2013 09:11 AM

                                                      Chuck out a smoker???? It's like ditching your kid!

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                                                      DoctorChow RE: Fake Name Oct 15, 2013 10:20 PM

                                                      That thing somehow looks like it should be illegal

                                                      :D

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                                                        Fake Name RE: DoctorChow Oct 16, 2013 06:06 AM

                                                        Yeah. I like that. Very Rube Goldberg.

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                                                          cstr RE: Fake Name Oct 16, 2013 08:28 AM

                                                          I think they call it character. What a beautiful thing!

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                                                            Fake Name RE: cstr Oct 16, 2013 08:41 AM

                                                            Aye, she's powerfully yar.

                                                2. Fake Name RE: DiningDiva Dec 9, 2013 06:13 PM

                                                  Chula Vista location closed effective immediately.

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                                                    DoctorChow RE: Fake Name Dec 9, 2013 06:22 PM

                                                    Huh! I assume that their Lemon Grove location will keep the smoke going, though.

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                                                      Fake Name RE: DoctorChow Dec 9, 2013 06:24 PM

                                                      One may certainly hope.

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