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Oct 7, 2013 04:49 PM

Serious Cantonese?

Shing Kee and Tindo are long gone, and Fuleen's downhill, so I'm questing for homestyle Cantonese. I could resort to Wo Hop or Hop Kee, but I'd prefer a step up...good fresh seafood and a generous list of seasonal dishes, not just barebones (but it needn't be a Hong Kong palace, either).

Folks over the years have kept dragging me to NY Noodle Town, and I keep not liking anything about it (smell, service, or food), so that's out.

I've heard good things about Cheung Wong Kitchen, but never tried it.

Wasn't there a shiny new-generation Cantonese place similar to Funky Broome somewhere around SOHO/LES a while ago? Anything like that still in biz?

I'm also curious about China Pearl Seafood Restaurant, but of course that's all the way out in Elmhurst....

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        1. re: Simon

          +3 Cafe Hong Kong is very consistent and delicious.

          1. re: MrGrumpy

            +4 Cafe Hongkong for the crispy squid and roast chicken.

        2. re: Cheeryvisage

          Just skimmed the linked thread, and, yep, Cafe Hong Kong looks like the place I'm looking for. There's always one place like this in Chinatown, but every few years it closes and is replaced. I'm usually speedier at making that jump. Thanks for the assist!

          1. re: Jim Leff

            l tried a bunch of the dishes that were recommended on those threads [not the lobster, yet], and they're all *really* good. The salt & pepper squid or pork chop are both dynamite.

            1. re: Jim Leff

              im not sure how i just saw this, but if you're going to chinatown i'd recommend cafe hong kong

              aside from that you could go fuleen or oriental garden. there has been reports ping's is decent again, but its been a very long time since ive been there

              That said as diprey11 just said for what you really want, you either want to go East Lake / Imperial Palace or Lake Pavilion. Lake Pavilion actually has by far the biggest selection of more upscale seafood which is really what you need for great cantonese seafood, but i haven't gotten around to trying the more upscale seafood options yet



              Btw another place, which i can't vouch for is Royal Seafood. My friend went there with her parents and said it was surprisingly good. They have a new chef

              NY Noodletown and Cheung Wong are completely the wrong type of restaurants. Those are what bbq, noodle and congee restaurants.

              1. re: Lau

                Lau, can you recommend anything else at CHK besides what you already have? l tried the fried chicken with garlic, salt and pepper squid and pork chops, and Peking pork chops.

                1. re: howdini

                  hmm well unfortunately they didn't totally import over their menu from SCG. I do like the string beans as well. The fish can be good as it was in my report, but it really just depends on how good of quality the fish is (it can be muddy)

                  I've generally stuck to what i ordered in that post, i'm looking at the online menu now and these are some other things i'd check out (I have not tried these dishes, but just giving u an idea of things i would check out):
                  - T-bone steak
                  - Signature style lamb chops
                  - Lobster sizzling platter
                  - Baked lobster with cheese
                  - Fresh scallop on the shell (with garlic or black bean)
                  - Either of the crispy bean curd dishes
                  - Steamed pork with salted fish
                  - Beef with bitter melon (need to like bitter melon though)
                  - Clay pot casseroles: i would ask them which one they would recommend, i find those sorta hard to predict, the eggplant one looked amazing, but was just ok.

          2. re: scoopG

            For a really good Cantonese seafood, welcome to Flushing! There are two restaurants, both called the East Lake: one in Chinese and one in English. They have the same owner, can't go wrong with either.

            I like China Pearl in Elmhurst, they are one of the few last old-style Cantonese restaurants standing. However, the choice of live fish is much better @East Lake.

            With all due respect, NY Noodletown is not a seafood restaurant.

          3. I like Congee Village, but what about Oriental Garden? It is pricey but has excellent seafood.

                1. re: nomadmanhattan

                  Any favorites there? I'm actually within the delivery zone.....

                  1. re: Ttrockwood

                    I cannot certify the delivery - only been sit-down dinner. Seafood dish are pretty solid; Oysters with Bean Curd & Roasted Pig in Casserole and Crispy Roasted Squab..are good too.

                    1. re: nomadmanhattan

                      Absolutely. That oyster/bean curd/pig casserole is great.

                      Also good is the salt and pepper shrimp and salt and pepper squid.

                    2. re: Ttrockwood

                      i like the oyster casserole too. the peking pork chops are a bit oversauced so i ask for the sauce on the side. the beef flank casserole is also good.

                      1. re: SomeRandomIdiot

                        +1 Beef flank with turnips. Classic Canto.

                2. I haven't had any issues with Fuleen's the last couple times I've been, didn't notice any drop in quality. Did you have a bad experience there recently?

                  Certainly there are a lot places a step up from Wo Hop or Hop Kee... Oriental Garden (though they're at the pricier end), Ping's (though the menu is spotty, some dishes are standouts), Cafe Hong Kong...

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                  1. re: sgordon

                    sgordon, Fuleen's was a big fave of mine for years, I know the menu by memory, but it's been merely fair every visit over past two years. Recently sent a friend (with great taste) there, and he said it was horrendous. That huge dip could have been an aberration, but, at least in my experience it's not what it was, just generally. But maybe you didn't know it back in the day (or maybe we just disagree!).

                    Swannee, thanks, Congee Village was the new-generation shiny place I was trying to think of.

                    diprey, I wasn't looking for a seafood restaurant. Just old-school Cantonese. Which, of course, includes seafood (except in pits like Wo Hop and Hop Kee, which, if they have seafood, probably wouldn't be, like, your best order!). Speaking of Flushing, I hear good things about Canton Gourmet.

                      1. re: Jim Leff

                        I've been going to Fuleen for a decade or so, though admittedly I've only been maybe twice in the last year - maybe I hit it on good nights? I go in phases, but I've found myself drawn to some of the more unique things on Ping's menu of late, and Cafe Hong Kong. But I still like Fuleen.

                        If you ever went to South China Garden back when they were open, CHK is the same crew.

                    1. Thanks for the post, Jim. I am also in search of authentic, old school Cantonese that could remotely match with what I have had in HK. Specifically, seafood restaurant.

                      I have been to couple Cantonese restaurants in Chinatown, including Amazing 88, Oriental Garden and previously Southern China Garden. But none of them are really up to par. Not just the presentation, but more important, the quality and freshness of the ingredients they used. The seasoning, IMO, are all too "thick" and "heavy" than what I used to in HK.

                      Anyone here can recommend a somewhat higher end Cantonese seafood restaurant in the city or in Flushing? Thanks!

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                      1. re: nomadmanhattan

                        My advise is, in New York don't expect the quality you used to have in Hong Kong. That said, Radiance on 50th Street could be another option. It's one of "better" ones in New York. If you don't expect too much, you will be satisfied. :)

                        1. re: kosmose7

                          Have been there while my office was around Radiance. Thought they were Taiwanese-ish? I like their tea time offering too :)

                          1. re: nomadmanhattan

                            Ha ha. It's not 100% Cantonese but has some Cantonese dishes.

                            1. re: kosmose7

                              Know any place actually open at 10pm on Sat night? A friend wanted to try good Cantonese but he could not meet till that time......

                              1. re: nomadmanhattan

                                Wo Hop (Downstairs) and Great NY Noodletown are both open until the wee hours 4 AM???
                                Wo Hop is mostly Cantonese while Noodletown has several Cantonese dishes.
                                The food at Noodletown is much better.
                                At 3 AM they are both one of those great NYC experiences.

                                  1. re: Motosport

                                    I've got to strongly disagree on Wo Hop if you want to go some where good, go with Cafe Hong Kong as South China Garden was always good so you can't miss.

                                      1. re: Motosport


                                        Cafe Hong Kong
                                        (212) 608-5359
                                        51 Bayard St, Chinatown, New York, New York 10013
                                        Mon — Sun 11am — 11pm

                                        1. re: kathryn

                                          I don't trust those hours. My big three - Shing Kee, Tindo, and Fuleen's - were all open late. To this day, I think of Cantonese as late night food (I ate a LOT in those three the point where Cantonese, more than anything, strikes me as my "home" cuisine).

                                          I'll try it anyway, though! :)

                                      2. re: michele cindy

                                        Wo Hop shouldn't even be allowed to call themselves a restaurant. They serve inedible slop

                                        1. re: AubWah

                                          Agreed. Except beef chow fun, ordered "well done", is actually really really good. Or, at least, was in like 1990. Which wasn't that long ago, was it?

                                          1. re: Jim Leff

                                            I used to think the same of the duck chow fun, but after my last visit which was in the last 3 months, I'm never going back.

                                            1. re: michele cindy

                                              You're right, I'm wrong. It was always duck chow fun (and it always had to be ordered well done).

                                              So even that dish is bad now?

                                              1. re: Jim Leff

                                                It was goopy. I've gone back every few years hoping it would get better, but it just gets worse. I just have to remind myself when I get the urge again to read this and go elsewhere.

                                    1. re: nomadmanhattan

                                      Congee village is open til 2am saturday

                                1. re: kosmose7

                                  Thanks for reminding me about this place