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Have you ever been censored by Chowhound moderator? I have many times!!

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Especially when I make fun of people's petty woes. Just wondering about your experiences.

  1. Welcome to the club; it's a rather large one.

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    1. re: pikawicca

      Hell, I have been so much I am starting to consider it a real relationship.

      1. So many times and its always when I am bagging on someone's petty woes.

        Mods are a great group of Saints who have a special place in heaven for their service.

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        1. re: Beach Chick

          And I expect they have reserved a special place in Hell for me....
          But I'm trying to do better although I hit a couple speed bumps recently.

        2. Yup. Some I understand, some I don't. Life goes on.

          1. I joined the club less than a week after I received my Login.

            While I was not the OP, my favorite thread that was deleted on the first day was addressing the question on just how many employees do wash their hands after using the facilities.

            1. All the time. I got scolded just the other day. I can understand some of my posts being deleted but others have left me scratching my head as to what the issue was. Mods can be as arbitrary and capricious as anyone else. What really bugs me is when I think I am responding to an offensive post, mine gets deleted and I get scolded but the original post remains which continues to trigger testy responses from others. I wonder WTF? Why is the first post ok?

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              1. re: Bkeats

                I had that identical experience last week. My tepid response to a very incendiary post was deleted, the incendiary one remains.

                1. re: Veggo

                  how many times that same thing has happened to me.

                  1. re: Veggo

                    darn wrong thread, not sure how I even ended up in this one.

                    1. re: Veggo

                      I always go back and flag that post

                    2. re: Bkeats

                      I'm not commenting specifically on the instance you're mentioning, since I'm not familiar with it, but one of our mantras is "rate chow, not chowhounds". So almost any kind of "your post is offensive" response is going to be considered off-topic or inappropriate here on Chowhound. On the whole, we'd like people to focus on discussing the restaurant/food/issue and not on discussing how other people choose to discuss the restaurant/food/issue.

                      1. re: Jacquilynne

                        Well, the mods seems to have an exception to this rule. if someone is offending someone else's kids food allergies with a completely OT rant, which is medically wrong you will not be censored. Clearly, i know how CH mods feel about that issue.

                      2. re: Bkeats

                        Bkeats, as in many sports the original offense is often missed but the retaliation is usually caught. Understandable live and real time but with a print trail, very odd indeed.

                        1. re: Bacchus101

                          As has been said, mods don't read every post. That's what that little 'flag' button is for.

                          1. re: c oliver

                            Yes, but If a single post within a thread is flagged, the mods should not only read the post that was flagged, but also the post was being responsed to. It doesn't take that muh more time. The flag feature has to be considered as drawing attention to more than just that individual post.

                        2. re: Bkeats

                          They allow trolling, but not any snarky posts that are made as a result.

                          1. re: Bkeats

                            My regional board is UK/Ireland and, some goodly while back, I used to feel there was a problem, bordering on racism in the way it was moderated. It would be OK for an American poster to make outrageous remarks, which would remain on view, but responses from Britons would be deleted. I ended up contacting the mods and putting this view to them. Whether it had a direct effect I do not know but I havnt seen an issue in some years.

                          2. yep, every time I mention my cooking/reviews blog.....This is about food?

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                            1. re: bigmamasnest

                              Hi, bigmamasnest, we've emailed you several times to let you know about our guidelines for blogger participation, but we haven't heard back from you at all, so we're not sure those emails are getting through to you. If you haven't received them, please reach out to us at moderators@chowhound.com and we can resend. You can also check out the FAQ here: http://www.chow.com/faq#blogger for info on how you can share your blog links on Chowhound.

                              1. re: The Chowhound Team

                                Thanks :) That was helpful and clear.

                              2. re: bigmamasnest

                                http://www.chow.com/faq

                                If you scroll down, you'll see there's info specifically about blogs. May help. I'm kinda surprised you haven't gotten a note.

                                ETA: oops, looks the the team chimed in the same time I did.

                                1. re: bigmamasnest

                                  I think your post should be deleted...
                                  *this is joke*

                                  1. re: bigmamasnest

                                    Yeah that happened once. I only get miffed when I see other posts still directing people to blogs. I'm not big on being the narc in post cases though.

                                    1. re: melpy

                                      We don't read everything that gets posted on the site, and in lots of cases, posts that are a problem are flagged by only one person or by no one, so chances are, if you saw it but chose not to report it, we never saw it at all.

                                  2. Many times but far less now. I just need to keep repeating "It's about the Chow not the Chowhound."

                                    As an aside I feel like there's a lot more vulgarity than there was a few years ago. I'm far from a prude but I'm sometimes shocked that someone would post something for thousands to read that's, well, just plain inappropriate. Not profanity. And often when it's done, it seems to be OT also.

                                    1. HAHAHAHAH
                                      AHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
                                      when am i not? that is the question---
                                      i am a straight shooter( no grey area) person by nature
                                      ( my mom said i was the boss& voice of reason at 5yrs old)
                                      i have a VERY HARD TIME, getting the " acceptable"behavior' correct in my posts- i do getVERY ANGRY at the posters who passive aggressively, get everything posted, , WITH TERRIBLE OP HEADLINES,,, etc etc..
                                      i didnt know i got suspended for a few weeks recently( im not a frequent poster) concerning my replies recently to a thread.
                                      no worries--- got re- instated and will play within the guidelines----
                                      grrrrrrr

                                      1. Less than I used to. Which is odd, since as far as I can tell, I'm just about as obnoxious as ever. Am I getting soft without realizing it?

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                                        1. re: cowboyardee

                                          I had to hit recommend because your post is adorable.

                                        2. the more interesting question would be "are you a regular poster who **hasn't** been censored?"

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                                          1. re: sunshine842

                                            But why would I want to read another post about whether they will die after leaving the jar of mayo uncovered in the fridge for 10 minutes?

                                            1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                              That's where that new gold star comes in handy. And if you avoid anything related to food safety, that's a great first step.

                                              1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                The worst part about those posts is you don't really get closure. Has anyone died after following chow consensus that something is perfectly safe? We'll never know.

                                                1. re: tcamp

                                                  I'm not sure I've ever seen a thread where the

                                                  "chow consensus that something is perfectly safe? " :)

                                              2. re: sunshine842

                                                I am! Or if I've been censored, I missed it. Honestly, I need to go read the FAQs to find out what merits getting censored as the only thing I can think of is listing cookbook recipes verbatim. And I suppose being over-the-top obnoxious. But I haven't run into much rudeness or issues while hanging out on this board. If I did, I'd stop posting here and go find another forum.

                                                1. re: Aravisea

                                                  give it time. You aren't a particularly prolific poster, so the law of averages hasn't had time to hit you yet.

                                                  1. re: sunshine842

                                                    yeah it's like lots of things - in the first few months or even years, one is fervent or out-spoken. ya might get slapped down a bit, but ya learn the ropes. and figure out the code. they DO try to lay it out for us, yet it's a (relational? conditional?) complicated process and easy to cross a line. a line that when momentarily crossed just disappears into the ether and I let it go.

                                                    if one doesn't get nasty or mean, one is probably fine. that and try to keep it on topic.

                                                    what few cranky types show up are either engaging by merit or don't stay around long.

                                                    1. re: hill food

                                                      Or vulgar. There are some flat out vulgar comments that make me cringe. And little makes me cringe.

                                                      1. re: hill food

                                                        Seriously, Mountain Chow? You are the friendliest, most helpful and thoughtful commenter in town!

                                                      2. re: sunshine842

                                                        That's true, although reading this thread I got the impression that censoring is something that happens fairly often. So I'd think that even my measley post count would have had one somewhere. How often do you all get the hand-slap? One post in a hundred? One in five hundred?

                                                        1. re: Aravisea

                                                          It's not a steady thing.

                                                          You'll post hundreds of times without a problem. Then eventually some topic will hit close to home, and you'll post with passion and conviction... too much passion and conviction. Or someone will piss you off and you'll go just a bit too far in telling them they're wrong. Or, worse, you'll piss someone else off and they'll go out of their way to pick at you and harass you in ways that are only really obvious to you until telling em plainly to f*** off is worth the deletion/temporary banishment to you. Then for a while a mod or the mods collectively will decide you're a problem and pick over even your more well-meant posts with an eye out for potential conflict. You'll get deleted over and over again - and your annoyance will be increasingly obvious in your posts, earning even more deletions. You'll think about quitting CH (or maybe even do quit posting). Then the posters who annoyed you will stop posting and/or you'll even come to like or grudgingly admire some of them and the mods will forget about you and you'll post many times without censure. Then your beloved cat will die and some poor sucker arguing that western society is crumbling due to widespread reinterpretation of Eggs Benedict will seem momentarily like Hitler re-incarnate. Then the cycle starts over again.

                                                          Or I guess you could just be a big sweetheart who never gets riled up. But if not... forget it, Jake. it's the internet,

                                                          1. re: cowboyardee

                                                            That's a pretty good summary of my own experience here over the years :-D

                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                              Mine too and so well articulated that coffee just flew out my nose!

                                                            2. re: cowboyardee

                                                              Or sometimes, I think, it depends who you piss off. The mods don't read every thread, but the do read the posts that get flagged. So you piss someone off and, to retaliate, that user flags every post you make that has even the slightest tinge of snarkiness or offensiveness.

                                                              1. re: gaffk

                                                                Edit: nevermind. But I agree.

                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                  I'll pretend I can read your edited thought and respond with a "no, this has not happened to me and I've never done it; just thinking out loud as to why there would be a spate of removals."

                                                          2. re: Aravisea

                                                            I was censored once for implying that I had gotten food poisoning somewhere although I didn't actually say I did. And once for posting a link to a blog I own because it was easier to copy and paste the link instead of the whole recipe because I was on a smartphone.

                                                            1. re: melpy

                                                              melpy - pfff that's kinda lame. I think I speak collectively when I say that we expected something more from you, I dunno, well if not explosively offensive then at least annoying.

                                                        2. As a friend of mine on the boards once told me "If you ain't being censored on the boards, you ain't doing it right" (the infamous MGZ).

                                                          Not only do I get censored and/or deleted somehow (I think the dubious MGZ as mentioned above) has given Chow my mothers phone number. So not only do I get censored I generally get a phone call from my mom chastising me as when I was 5 years old kicking sand at the other kids in the sand box "Jr, when are you going to learn to play well with others?!?!?!".

                                                          If I get censored twice in the same thread, and my mom get's two phone calls from the Chow Team, she calls my wife who takes away my debit/credit cards and I go on a probationary period.

                                                          1. Yes, I have. Their board, their rules. No personal attacks, including on perceived petty woes.

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                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                              Linda!! Someone asked me recently if I was your half brother, I
                                                              responded "no, no I'm not, why do you ask?" and they explained, well most of your posts sound like they are coming from a
                                                              Halfwit !! I thought that was a very nice compliment to receive.
                                                              :-)

                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                ::::shoving jrvedivici::::: Shaddup, fellow halfwit!

                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                  Except that they NEED content. No content, no board. We are their cross to bear.

                                                                2. Happens all the time. Far too many to remember. There's clearly a red flag by my name because I'll say something that gets torched right away and someone will come by later and say the same thing and it lives.

                                                                  It is what it is. I don't bother to get worked up over it any more. I figure I'm giving someone their jollies so that can't be a bad thing right??

                                                                  It's one reason why I don't put much thought or time into my posts anymore and also a reason why this site is dying.

                                                                  DT

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                                                                  1. re: Davwud

                                                                    DT - you have hit the issue square on for me. In the interest of making things civil, the mods use their judgment to remove what they deem inappropriate posts while leaving many others that readers think are just as inappropriate. Some comments I see are controversial but I wouldn't deem them offensive but I later seem them removed. It just dumbs down the discussion. I'm finding fewer and fewer topics of interest on CH these days. I don't know if that means I've read most of the interesting things or if most of the interesting posters have stopped posting. I feel that my participation waxes and wanes and it's harder to find things worth discussing. Things feel like they are on the wane.

                                                                    1. re: Bkeats

                                                                      Agree completely with you and Davwud. Excessive and uneven moderation is killing this site.

                                                                      1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                        I haven't checked but is CH 'readership' off?

                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                          I have no idea...my preference is for quality over quantity.

                                                                          1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                            Sorry. When you said "Excessive and uneven moderation is killing this site" I thought this was some kind of quantitative statement. After a few years here I'm actually find the quality better, possibly because OT and otherwise inappropriate posts are being yanked. But, of course, YMMV.

                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                              Actually, one of the real problems is the fact that the moderators are allowing an explosion of off-topic posts consisting of cutesy inside jokes and silly personal messages. That's the crap that should be moderated out of existence, imo.

                                                                              1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                Whereas I see it as better. Perspective is personal.

                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                  I'm confused...first you say off-topic posts are diligently deleted and their absence is good, but then you agree there are more of them and that's also good?

                                                                                  1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                    No, I THOUGHT I was saying that I think it's better that more are being deleted. If I DIDN'T say that, it's what I meant to say. Sorry. Again.

                                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                                      But more off-topic posts AREN'T being deleted, that's the whole point. They are growing exponentially, and the mods have admitted they are allowing it.

                                                                                      1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                        Could you give me a quote from the mods that "they are allowing it"? Are you reporting posts that you consider OT? I do and, while I don't keep track, I think the majority of the time they get deleted.

                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                          I read it on the Site Talk board, not motivated enough to go searching for it, sorry.

                                                                                          And yes, I have flagged many off-topic posts, virtually all of which still exist. I've pretty much given up, as almost nothing is considered off-topic anymore.

                                                                                          1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                            No problem. I just asked the mods if they can dig it up.

                                                                                          2. re: c oliver

                                                                                            It's true that the off topic definition has been narrowed significantly from what it used to catch. Jacquilynne has written here about it.

                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                              Cool. Obviously that will get posted here. I missed it.

                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                There's no need for it to be posted...just read through this thread (not to mention almost any other thread) and it will be painfully obvious that the rules regarding whats considered off-topic have been greatly relaxed.

                                                                                                1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                  I'll stick with it being posted by someone.

                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                      Thanks, Servorg. A lot. I still believe the site if more on topic than it used to be. Maybe enough of us have been shown the error of our ways that we've grown up.

                                                                                                      1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                        Lol, you may "believe" it to be so, but the words of the mods and the evidence in the threads says otherwise.

                                                                                                        1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                          You 'believe' one thing and I 'believe' another. Big deal.

                                                                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                            As I stated, its not about what you believe, its about what the mods say and users post. The site is demonstratively more off-topic. That has nothing to do with what I believe. What i do believe is that all that off-topic crap devalues the site.

                                                                                                            1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                              Hi, caroliadawg:

                                                                                                              This is a really cool object lesson you have going here with another Hound. Mods, may we please have an "Egging On" button? Who will flag first?

                                                                                                              FWIW, I think the "loosening up" of the OT policy has been a good thing. More conversational, the humor can be lubricious. The patter does get tedious, though, past a certai point...

                                                                                                              Aloha,
                                                                                                              Kaleo

                                                                                                              1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                I'm not looking to "flag" anyone.

                                                                                              2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                Sure, OT regs have been relaxed, also to allow some nostalgia threads, per Jacquilynne. I would guess there are more readers who log on longer because of the additional entertainment value those changes enable. Not all of us log on because we are cramming for a cooking exam tomorrow or fixing dinner for the Queen.
                                                                                                Further, some threads by way of their title will provide no permanent intellectual boost. Others are fairly simple questions that can be answered with one post. Those who dwell in a deathly serious world can easily skip them. I have no problem that on those types of threads the mods loosen the drag a bit and allow us to have a little fun with them. It's the protracted pissing contests on serious threads that become the yawners most quickly.

                                                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                  It's the protracted pissing contests on serious threads that become the yawners most quickly
                                                                                                  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                                  And that is why I am so enjoying the ability to "unfollow" a thread.

                                                                                                  1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                    ooh, we can do that now? Oh joy, oh joy -- the Taco Bell thread from Hell will go away and stay away.

                                                                                                    1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                      Edit: Nevermind. I'm trying to avoid rat bites.

                                                                                                      1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                        Yep, just click on the big yellow star next to the threads you most regret contributing to/following and--voila--they're gone (well, ya have to refresh, but trust me, they'll disappear).

                                                                                                        1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                          Oh, sunshine :), it's just the best. With some time one eventually figures out what not to reply to but with a slipup it's not forever anymore :)

                                                                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                            see what happens when you go out of town for a few weeks! They go and change things...but this one's definitely for the better!

                                                                                                            1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                              I've also found that now I'll make a one time suggestion that I'd have been reluctant to do since getting burned over the years.

                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                *yes* - one too many threads haunting me!

                                                                                                                It might also work to keep my censor rate down if I can unsub to a thread I know darned well is going to get me into trouble...

                                                                                                                1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                  Oh yeah re the latter :) Also typing but not hitting "reply" helps me. Cathartic without getting in trouble.

                                                                                                      2. re: Veggo

                                                                                                        Few are those who prefer to repeatedly dissect proportion than revisit contemplating prose.

                                                                                                        1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                          I'm sorry, what does that mean please?

                                                                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                            Not sure, it's a bit too confounding to me.

                                                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                              It was just a lighthearted observation inspired by Veggo's comments about Site traffic and what I have observed over the years. I suppose, to put it another way: One is likely to take fewer bites of a stale roll than of a fresh muffin. My apologies if my pursuit of pithy parallelism caused continued confusion or countenance-cringing consideration.*

                                                                                                              Over the years, and the evolution of the Site, the parameters of "what", and more importantly "how", we say what we choose to say has been worth examining and developing. Sadly, jfood's owner no longer lets him post and FoodFuser is working with Chaucer on "The Pillsbury Tales". To anyone who cares, here's a link to a Fuser classic 'envelope push' that never seemed to get the 'bows' it wonderfully deserved (then again, it was pre-"Recommend Button") http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/838090

                                                                                                              *Damn that alliteration button!

                                                                                                          2. re: Veggo

                                                                                                            this is so well said- thank you

                                                                                              3. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                Amen! The pointless sidebars between posters who are traipsing through the lilies in the field together while butterflies twirl around their heads are worse than any passionate argument about why something is or is not.

                                                                                                1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                  Both are incredibly tiresome. I see no difference between the butterflies and the pissing matches.

                                                                                        2. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                          the recc button just wont do---- i am +2 this--- its not the great site it used to be-- its def dying

                                                                                          1. re: kewpie

                                                                                            I just so don't get this. I continue to get SUCH good advice here, whether it's cooking or restaurants.

                                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                                              You get out of it what you put into it. Like...well, pretty much everything else in the world.

                                                                                      2. re: Davwud

                                                                                        Let me guess, you believe Chowhound is dying because the entire site is not devoted to roadfood and reviewing restaurant food all over the U.S. If I am wrong, please correct me.

                                                                                      3. Yeh, happens every now and then, and it offends the hell out of me. Just the past few days I have written many, many comments and deleted them myself before posting, because I knew that the mods would delete them, and it would start a highly personal war with halfwitted know-it-alls who are talking absolute nonsense about BBQ or Cocktails. Grrrrrr...

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                                                                                        1. re: JMF

                                                                                          LOL :)

                                                                                          But seriously, I've taken to writing responses, rereading and then deleting. Works pretty well.

                                                                                          PS: I don't know enough to be a know-it-all so my nonsense is just that.

                                                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                                                            C Oliver, I find that you are posting serious and valid questions that are reasonable. You want to learn and experiment and post your results to get feedback to continue the cycle.

                                                                                            I actually just removed the BBQ board from my saved boards list a few minutes ago because of someone who just started posting like crazy yesterday to some of your threads, and is talking absolute nonsense in a highly informative and demanding way, that makes it seem like they are knowledgeable. I just don't want to spend the energy it would take to prove them wrong.

                                                                                            1. re: JMF

                                                                                              Thanks, Linda. After not being the most polite or on-topic CH for a long time, I'm trying.

                                                                                              My only concern about the BBQ board is and was that it's going to draw out that 'my way or the highway' group. I don't follow Cookware for that reason. But, hey, that's why we have the mods, right? Again, thanks.

                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                  I was trying to remember what I might have said to you, c.oliver, to garner your response. Because whatever I said was no longer there!

                                                                                                  But then again, that's the perfect definition of irony - to have a post removed on a thread about having posts removed! LOL

                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                    Only thing I can figure is that I saw your name not far downthread and just addressed you.

                                                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                      Yeah Linda I think that's what c Oliver did.

                                                                                              1. re: JMF

                                                                                                Mostly posters like that don't stick around too long. I tend to ignore them.

                                                                                                1. re: JMF

                                                                                                  JMF, I'm extremely sad to read this. I remember on a totally unrelated subject writing the mods cause someone was giving our incorrect info, which I knew to be incorrect. Their reply was that there's no way that they can moderate for truthfulness. Which I totally understand. And I also understand your not wanting to get involved in that. I hope you'll keep an eye on me every once in a while though :)

                                                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                    I'm over it now. I was going over stuff in my head, thinking of responses, when i should have been addressing other issues, Which I now have done.

                                                                                                    1. re: JMF

                                                                                                      Damn! I just got another mod letter about a comment to the person who has been annoying me. I thought I addressed it very well. I guess not...

                                                                                                      1. re: JMF

                                                                                                        Hmmm... I think I must be sleep posting. I just got a mod letter again, for a different post being deleted, that I don't even remember writing.

                                                                                                        1. re: JMF

                                                                                                          Hrmm, barring you actually falling asleep at the keyboard, that does sound weird.

                                                                                                          The way our email system works these days, most of the time we send an email directly from a specific post on the boards. It automatically goes to the person who wrote the post and automatically includes a copy of the post we're emailing about. If we somehow managed to send you an email that was about a post you didn't write, that would be a very strange (and very bad!) glitch in the system. Can you forward it back to me at moderators@chowhound.com -- I'd really like to make sure there's not a gremlin in the system.

                                                                                                          Thanks!

                                                                                                          1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                            Oh, I probably wrote it. It was definitely my language, confronting someone I don't like, for being negative and not actually providing any info, just saying others were wrong.

                                                                                                            1. re: JMF

                                                                                                              I don't think I've ever got a nastygram from the mods. I'll have to step up my game.

                                                                                                              Or check to make sure my email address is current.

                                                                                                              1. re: chileheadmike

                                                                                                                Actually it amazes me how polite the mods are, when they do write me.

                                                                                                                1. re: chileheadmike

                                                                                                                  hey! I think a statement of mine was cut from this thread! I was trying to say how they're really not 'nastygrams' anymore!

                                                                                                                  (and then I just rambled off into pointless other stuff) or maybe it's my lousy/spotty hillbilly internet connection.

                                                                                                                  1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                    There haven't been any posts removed from this thread.

                                                                                                  2. re: c oliver

                                                                                                    Me three, I just delete; feels good to write it out and then POOF, it's gone.

                                                                                                  3. re: JMF

                                                                                                    Since just a few posts above this I have referred to myself as a halfwit I can't help but wonder if your comment is directed at me! ha!

                                                                                                    I don't remember annoying you so I'm not sure! lol

                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                      No, not at all. I find your posts knowledgeable, and enjoyable. It's just a general term that is a much milder descriptor for what I really think of some folks. ;-)>

                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                        Hey. Us Whit-wits need to stick together, yaknow. Marshmallow Fluff is a good product for sticking.

                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                          Yes, Fluff is a multi purpose food item. lol

                                                                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                            Talking about sticking together, fluff has some even more fun uses as well. I still remember when I was 16 and my gf and I cut school one day and went to her house 'cause her folks weren't home. Let's just say that making fluffernutter sandwiches turned out to be more fun than anticipated. We stuck together a lot after that.

                                                                                                    2. I've been censored by the mods a couple handfuls of times. Most often I've been censored for posts in which I have responded confrontationally to perceived slights, sometimes it's been because my dirty, offensive jokes have crossed an arbitrary line, and sometimes I honestly can't discern the rationale.

                                                                                                      Regardless of a brief response to a slight, or a joke, I try to make sure all of my posts are on topic. As such, they usually contain information I intended to share that I cannot be bothered to rehash if my post is deleted.

                                                                                                      It's disappointing, and I understand the importance of censoring these boards, but I post a lot less on this site than I used to because I see sub-threads of filled with inane conversations, esoteric references, and vulgar jokes aplenty that survive unmolested, yet I will have a three paragraph post removed because I used one sentence to respond to an inflammatory comment in kind.

                                                                                                      Now, I still peruse the boards, but I mostly keep my jokes, suggestions, experiences, stories and anectdotes to myself, and that's fine with me - saves work, I guess. I doubt I post more than once a month anymore.

                                                                                                      1. A couple of times. Honestly there were a few I wish they censored, but I guess nobody flagged them--maybe I should have reported myself?

                                                                                                        Recently I had a post removed and then restored. The fact that somebody flagged it was a bit bizarre. But it did reinforce the notion that the mods are mostly responding to community complaints; they are not reading every post on every board.

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                                                                                                        1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                          I've actually flagged some of my own posts and asked they be removed.

                                                                                                          1. re: JMF

                                                                                                            But do they remove them? I've asked and have been told they're good and should remain :(

                                                                                                            1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                              Well, maybe they are fine then. Or else explain fully why you want them removed.

                                                                                                                1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                  I think I always hoped I got points for that but don't think I did. Dagnabbit :)

                                                                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                    but we tried. WE know we did. and nobody can take that away! NOBODY!

                                                                                                                    uhh what were we talking about?

                                                                                                                    oh yeah, manners and being non-offensive or stupid and things. well I am ALWAYS impressed by the number of folks on CH who are NOT offensive, stupid or rude.

                                                                                                                    oh sure, we don't always agree, but...

                                                                                                                    1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                      This is such a first world problem.

                                                                                                                      1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                                                                                        I thought "first world problem" was a delete-able term.

                                                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                          Deletable terms...a first world solution (the modern equivalent of stoning - but not "getting" stoned).

                                                                                                          2. Aw, heck - back the Leff days, I was blackballed for several years!

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                                                                                                            1. re: CarrieWas218

                                                                                                              You????? Now that shocks me. Either you or the site have changed A LOT!

                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                Nothing (nearly nothing) surprises. Jim Leff has stated several times over the years that his own comments have been deleted. And I'd read Jim comment on the green M&M theory whenever these topics would come along.

                                                                                                                The talk about the talk (how we talk, how we spell, how we engage in discussion, how how how) has taken the volumes of pages I take for granted in a diff direction. The people running this show, whether Mod volunteer or staffer play a big role (if not THE role) in what gets left and what turns to vapor.

                                                                                                                So, I don't sweat getting deleted or even slapped on the wrist anymore simply because I don't control the outcomes.

                                                                                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                  One thing I've noticed is that crtiicisms of punctuation, grammar, etc. seemed to have gone away. I know those errors used to bug me but I seem immune now. Especially since I too frequently hit "reply" without proofreading...and I'm a stickler about that usually.

                                                                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                    Making a big deal out of it bugged me more than errors ever would. I don't come to CH for a writing lesson. There are enough professional writers on the site contributing regularly, what does it matter? Is this work or a fun swim in the pool?

                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                      Now your last sentence gives me a pause for thought :)

                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                        Hi, HillJ: "...what does it matter?"

                                                                                                                        Well, I was censored a week ago for calling an unintelligible post unintelligible. It was a fairly long post, with almost no punctuation or capitalization, just line after line of run-on sentence stream-o-consciousess. It more resembled a cat walking on a keyboard than it did prose.

                                                                                                                        I could have been more polite about it, I suppose, but I think it *does* matter.

                                                                                                                        Aloha,
                                                                                                                        Kaleo

                                                                                                                        1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                          The content/context matters...not the punctuation or capitalization, etc. that might follow soon after correcting you or complaining about a lack there of...but never addressing the point of your comment. (imho).

                                                                                                                          Then again, it ultimately will be the Mods who use the eraser.

                                                                                                                  2. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                    Yeah - a dozen years ago I got a job with the Patina Group in Los Angeles (catering manager for the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion) and as I was in the process of eating through their entire cadre of actual restaurants, I stated that I worked for them. At one point, even when I gave a write-up a less-than-stellar review, Leff considered it shilling and blackballed me entirely from writing up ANY reviews on any restaurants.

                                                                                                                    Even now, there was a winery that I worked at ten years ago that I can't mention at all without having those posts deleted - still, to this day...

                                                                                                                    1. re: CarrieWas218

                                                                                                                      Wow, that seemed more than a little harsh.

                                                                                                                      1. re: CarrieWas218

                                                                                                                        Dozens of CH's have stated the same experience. Many of the people who started with me and my husband on this site are gone because of that "rule."

                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                          I have no problem with a current or former employee discussing their employer. As long as they disclose the connection. I am sure we have read the effusive recommendation of a restaurant from a first time poster.

                                                                                                                          1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                                                                                            I don't know at the time it didn't seem like an obvious one size fits all answer on how Mods were making connections or deciding to delete or discourage. Now there are disclaimers and flagging and interventions :) so I don't know how much copy gets pulled. But I know a great many familiar faces once contributing to these boards are gone.

                                                                                                                          2. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                            I'm too lazy to look up the language but I know there's something else about if we get to know the owners, get comped, etc. that we're not supposed to post. I get it kinda/sorta because they can't assume that this association doesn't skew either what we're eating or how we perceive the whole experience. But, good grief, ten years later? That seems a bit heavy handed. I know this is a big reason jfood left the site.

                                                                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                              Yes. I'm a regular at a restaurant and am definitely treated differently than most. I can no longer review anything from that restaurant.

                                                                                                                              I had also written up a long post about a wonderful birthday celebration at a restaurant (now closed), and because the birthday person was a regular there, the Mods chose to delete the post because *she* was treated differently than anyone else who would go there.

                                                                                                                              But I do agree that not being able to post about a restaurant that you worked at 10 years ago seems to be the longest stretch of "insider trading" that I've heard of. Restaurants change, management changes, chefs change....what that restaurant was then for CarrieWas cannot be the same as it is now.

                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                "I know this is a big reason jfood left the site."

                                                                                                                                Really? The version of that story I heard is that he was told by the mods to stop passing himself off as an "official" reviewer for CH, which he apparently did at restaurants All The Time, and when he didn't, he then was *removed* from here.

                                                                                                                                Or maybe he packed up his chew toys after the reprimand. Who knows. I'm sure he's happy somewhere on a farm upstate :-D

                                                                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                  Ah, I heard that from him but perhaps his version wasn't THE version. I'll drop this subject :)

                                                                                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                    There's always three versions of any story.......

                                                                                                                                    OOps sorry Jacquilynne!

                                                                                                                                  2. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                    Could we not go down this path, please? We can't comment on the reasons why people were removed from the site, they are no longer here to comment, and the speculation is kind of ... well ... speculative.

                                                                                                                                    Thanks.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                      My apologies, I shouldn't have mentioned this at all. Bad judgment.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                        Understood!

                                                                                                                                        Feel free to delete the FIRST post on this thread, Jackie '-)

                                                                                                                                        It would be an honor.

                                                                                                                                      2. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                        I always wondered where jfood went...

                                                                                                                                          1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                            Consider it a PSA.

                                                                                                                                            Yer welcome :-)

                                                                                                                                          2. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                            jfood has moved onto a site where writing in the third person is commonplace.

                                                                                                                              2. Way I see it, if you've got an open hand on the side of a guy's jersey, a zebra has a right to let a yellow flag fly. If after the whistle he cups a palm on his other wrist, draws down, and marches the ball back ten yards, you respect the judgment. You may not have actually grabbed fabric, but you ain't callin' the game. Either head to the sideline or bitch in the huddle under your breath and get it better next time.

                                                                                                                                (Other metaphors available upon written request.)

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                                                                                                                                1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                  Or you can run up to the Zebra just an inch from your facemask to his nose and ask him the rhetorical question “Hey Ref, your mamma have any children that lived, cause you as blind as a dead man”

                                                                                                                                  While being yanked away in what would be considered a horse collar tackle in the pro’s, by one of your team-mates, the coach screaming orders for me to report to the sideline. I run over and am instructed to take a seat on the cold aluminum bench, literally to “cool down”, next to the kicker and 3rd string QB whose only time on the field is retrieving the tee, for the same kicker he is sitting next to.

                                                                                                                                  A few deep breaths, with the crisp winter air billowing from my mouth like a 4 alarm fire, a few swigs of the ade of gators, I jump back to my feet and run over to the coach, put me back in, I’m ready! Our defense is still in the huddle, we have them in a 3rd and long, I can taste the upcoming punt, the coach looks and tells me, "We've got it under control, sit this one out".

                                                                                                                                  Suddenly the message is painfully clear, my big mouth did it again.

                                                                                                                                  Funny how 25 years later you can look back and actually miss roid rage.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                    Now you've finally found the difference between us, they never found anything but tequila and Psilocybin in my pee.

                                                                                                                                    Nevertheless, your tale is so incredibly on point to such a thread and the post to which it responds, I can't help but be pleased.

                                                                                                                                    Worst part though, that Third string QB probably hooked up with the busty cheerleader after the game, never had to have surgery, and is making a a couple million plus a year as a principal at some investment bank today.

                                                                                                                                2. I got a very polite message yesterday from a moderator after making several posts and including my URL at the bottom, which is allowed according to the guidelines. Notice that I've not added it here!

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: FoodWacky

                                                                                                                                    "Which is allowed"?

                                                                                                                                    Did they email you to tell you "good job" -or- was that a typo for "isn't allowed"? Lol

                                                                                                                                    Something doesn't add up there!

                                                                                                                                  2. They deleted a post I made about a bad reaction to chickpeas. They said it was medical advice. I asked them about other threads that were about bad reactions to food as well as another thread that actually was a discussion about medical problems. My bad. I think I'm now on their watch list.

                                                                                                                                    Let me say honestly that I did have a less-than-polite post removed a couple of weeks ago and I had no problem with that. They were right. What I objected to was what seemed to be a targeted scrutiny of everything I wrote thereafter.

                                                                                                                                    Maybe what they need is a programming to set up a side-discussion button so it doesn't detract from the original thread and those who want to go off on a tangent can do so. For instance, there are threads that I'd like to nominate for the most cryptic subject line.

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: Just Visiting

                                                                                                                                      Ugh I hate cryptic subject lines!

                                                                                                                                    2. I am going to flat out admit that I enjoy the off topic posts, and often participate in making off topic comments myself. I enjoy dialog, I like seeing what direction a thread can take if given the opportunity to flow on its own. I like the Mod’s treating us like parents watching their children in a department store, you let us run off ahead, between the clothing racks, some of us hide inside only to poke our heads out to see who is around, some of us dart back and forth between the racks, you are always close enough to keep an eye on us, but give us enough space to think we have the world to ourselves.

                                                                                                                                      Personally I take a fishing approach to many of my posts, (besides reviews) I like to pull the bail back on the reel, holding the line with my finger as I draw the pole back over my shoulder, with a quick jerk forward I release the line and let the lure fly and land a few dozen yards away. Standing still for awhile, I jerk the rod a time or two, giving the lure some life and wait to see which one of my fellow chow’s approach and if;

                                                                                                                                      MGZ: bites and twists a tale that could be directly out of the original script of Deliverance “You see boy, I’m gunna make you squeal, squeal like a pork jaw I threw on the smoker last summer, with some woodchips that Mrs. Z brought back from a trip to Virginia. Now c’mon over here, take a hit of this joint and let me tell ya, how this is going to go down”

                                                                                                                                      Fourunder: swims by the lure and says “You know this is a completely unacceptable attempt to fool us more astute Chows; first the knot on the lure is too weak, and a chow like myself will bite that lure right off your line, you need to tighten up that knot and you need to get up a little earlier in the morning to fool this fish”

                                                                                                                                      Lingua: to come up and be like “What the F* is this you fool? Jr you got to be out of your F*ing mind”

                                                                                                                                      Seal: to make me promise that if I catch him I will immediately put him on ice and send him to only the finest sushi or Thai restaurant for he will sacrifice his life only for the finest sushi or Asian soup.

                                                                                                                                      HillJ: to swim up with a heartwarming smile and make a comment that could best be compared to one of Aunt Bee’s blueberry pies. Always warm and welcome and aimed to please.

                                                                                                                                      EqualMark: to send me a link to the best spot(s) on the Navesink river for fishing, which includes what fish I can expect to find at each location, the hours the fish are there, and a menu of recipes to best suit each kind of fish.

                                                                                                                                      CorvetteJohnny: to swim up and smell my lure and say to me “If you bait the hook with a Ribeye from Cipolina’s in Freehold, I promise to bite it!”

                                                                                                                                      JoonJoon: to swim past my lure and come right up to me and say “Hey man, nice lookin lure, I’ll be back to check it out after happy hour, they have pints of Bass Ale for $2.00, get it, I’m a Bass Jr!!!”

                                                                                                                                      Coldshoulderjoint: to explain to me how he wants to be a salt water fish since he is looking to swim in a school.

                                                                                                                                      JonParker: to swim up to me and question me “Did you buy that lure at Walmart? I refuse to be lured into biting a hook which was made or distributed by Walmart! Go pay more for a lure at a reputable company that donates at least 25% of their profits towards social economic programs”

                                                                                                                                      Youarebunny: swimming up shortly after JonParker and agreeing with everything he just said and adds “I might be a fish, but you ARE bunny”

                                                                                                                                      Linguafood: comes back to add “seriously why the F* did you just quote me cursing earlier is that all you really get out of my posts, asshole”

                                                                                                                                      C oliver: swimming bye and splashes her absolutely beautiful tail hitting me in the face with the water while saying to herself “I really don’t get any point this guy makes, I’m flagging this”

                                                                                                                                      Monica: swims up to tell me “My daughter told me I’m the smartest fish in the stream, you’re never going to catch me”

                                                                                                                                      Gastronomos: sends me a picture that states “this is my third time swimming up this stream” after which I have no idea what happens.

                                                                                                                                      Jacquilynne*: sends me an email that tells me “Per the terms of use for this stream you are not allowed to actually be fishing here, we will have to remove you from this area”, to which I respond “Jacquilynne, I kind of thought so but I just wanted to try and entertain some of my fellow Chow’s so I thought I could sneak this in”…….she replies “Jr, has ANYONE ever said you were entertaining? Do you ever wonder why?”

                                                                                                                                      Dave M*: shouts across the stream to me “We have researched the problem on our end and can’t replicate why you aren't catching any fish, my conclusion is you just suck at fishing”

                                                                                                                                      I think I have made my point by now, probably pissing most of you off and we will see if I actually get myself “censored” in the censored thread! If you feel I have neglected to mention you, I assure you it’s not intentional, I just actually have a job to do and need to get back to work.

                                                                                                                                      Much appreciation and respect to all my fellow Chow’s. No offense intended in any of my comments.

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                          I am humbled and honored by your assessment. :)
                                                                                                                                          My kids are gonna howl at the HillJ bio!

                                                                                                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                            I'm jealous I didn't get mentioned. :-P

                                                                                                                                            And I broke out laughing at the Jacquilynne and DaveM comments. :D

                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                              But I did create a whole private joke just for you before! lol sorry.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                LOL! Yes, you did so, didn't you? OK, I'm not jealous anymore. ;-)

                                                                                                                                          2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                            For me, just add "beautiful" in front of "tail," and I'm all over that :)

                                                                                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                Obrigada (Portuguese for thanks!)

                                                                                                                                                You know, don't you, that this is going to be part of CH-lore way into the future. 'Course we'll all be dead of old age so it won't mean anything to THOSE people. Good effort, j.

                                                                                                                                                And psst, I don't flag much at all :) But don't tell anybody, okay?

                                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                  Donde es' el bano? (I'm not even sure that means, it's all I remember from high school spanish)

                                                                                                                                                  De nada!

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                    But you remember the most important part!

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                      When ya gotta go, ya gotta go!

                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                              Well, Big Man, I'm gonna just wail that C chord, "sit back right easy and laugh", before I switch to the B sharp and let you and the rest of the band "bust this city in half"

                                                                                                                                              1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                This is when I also sit back and watch the fun, like after rolling a bag of marbles on a track during a Nascar race.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                  Sounds right. Meet me at 10th Avenue, OK?

                                                                                                                                                  Oh, and, um, bring matches?

                                                                                                                                              2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                Brilliant once again jr. CH should just give you your own board to post your musings.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                                                                  I petitioned for the position once Supertaster was canceled, my concept was Supertasteless. I'm still waiting for their response.

                                                                                                                                                  Thank you for your kind words.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                    Whew.....you were the "wild card", I wasn't really sure how you would take my depiction! Thank you!

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                      Dude, you were sweatin' lingua? Damn, Man, she's that really cool chick who you could always count on for a rolling paper. Let you cheat off her algebra exam. I know you know her - Army jacket with the Blue Oyster Cult patch before 'Don't Fear the Reaper' was released, quick and sharp witted, quiet 'til it came time to embarrass a teacher, rolled her own smokes in the hallways. Hell, she's probably the one who sold you that righteous mesc.

                                                                                                                                                      On another note, thanks, Jacquilynne, for letting us play. I promise not to mention your HBO show. http://www.hbo.com/comedy/the-boring-... OOPS! That's not you.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                        Listen man, between the roids, mesc, coke and enough vodka to fill the Sea World Aquarium, I get a lil paranoid every once in a while. Told you I would love to sit down and enjoy a "j" with you but even the joy of a causal high get's me all paranoid, sorry.

                                                                                                                                                        Call it a case of temporary insanity, lapse of judgement or just good ole' ignorance, I should have known Lingua was the chick who would hold your stash for the weekend, cause your little brother told your parents your selling dime bags for extra cash.

                                                                                                                                                        My bad, thanks for the wake up call MGZ, you always know how to put me back on the right path.

                                                                                                                                                        As far as Jacquilynne goes, if you need a writer for your HBO show, you've got me email! ;-)

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                          I'll call that check, jr. Touche.

                                                                                                                                                          In the interim, go see our Brother, Md, try his new menu for us, and report back on how the master is again performing his alchemy. He'll tell you a tale or two and, before long, we'll go back and make him weave a magical spread like no other 'hounds have ever seen . . . .

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                            "Holding" your stash? Hahaha. Nice try.

                                                                                                                                                          2. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                            Algebra? Ha. Not if you wanted to pass that exam, dude.

                                                                                                                                                            I rolled my smokes *in* class. Math class, to be exact. Might explain the shitty grades.

                                                                                                                                                            BOC? I'm younger than you think I am. I look much younger, too!

                                                                                                                                                            '-P

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                              Nirvana before the girls' deodorant? Pearl Jam before Jeremy found Daddy's gun?

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                Hoboy. Now you're really gettin' off track.

                                                                                                                                                                Try Bowie, Zeppelin, Ramones.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                  As always, my friend, Hat's Off!

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                    just the PJ Soles of the food-based internet boards...

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                          uuuhhhmmm.... did my original reply get deleted ?

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                                                                                                            We haven't removed any posts from you on this thread.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: The Chowhound Team

                                                                                                                                                              oh, thanks. I guess I forgot to hit the 'reply' button as usual...

                                                                                                                                                            2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                              I agree. If a food topic wanders off-topic, but Chows are enjoying it, and it's not offensive or slanderous - where's harm?

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: AdinaA

                                                                                                                                                                Do we then get to vote to see who's enjoying it and who's not?

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                  only certain Chowhounds get to vote. and Chowhounders get no voting rights...

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                                                                                                                    Can I be the one who decides who gets to vote? Please.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                      Only if you hold Class A voting shares as opposed to the Class B non-voting shares. ;)

                                                                                                                                                            3. CH moderator deleted some replies to my original post. Greatly appreciated the moderation to an off topic, vaguely snide reply to my original post.

                                                                                                                                                              Keep the good work CH mods! You have my support!

                                                                                                                                                              1. I'm wondering if there should be a thread where you can go and rant, instead of ranting at someone and getting deleted or banned. I guess I'm in a bit of a mood, but someone posted a few key words that hit my buttons, and the mental rant started, but I didn't do a full bore blast.

                                                                                                                                                                Or maybe a rant board? Oh, Wait... that's called craigslist.

                                                                                                                                                                1. E, UES Mayor:

                                                                                                                                                                  I get censored semi-regularly. Sometimes it makes a modicum of sense, other times it's a real strain to find a "rules" violation.

                                                                                                                                                                  IMO there's a "disagreement dance" at the root of most censures. Some posters, who are skilled at it, can dance a opponent over a line, and then someone with a opinion of how things ought to go flags it for the often-arbitrary call.

                                                                                                                                                                  If you watch the asinine "Recommend" count, when there's a fight brewing, you can almost predict when someone in the posse's gonna complain. That's one of the reasons I find the Mods' encouragement of flags to be so vile.

                                                                                                                                                                  The real skill is politely calling a knucklehead a knucklehead without drawing a foul.

                                                                                                                                                                  Aloha,
                                                                                                                                                                  Kaleo

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                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                    If you watch the asinine "Recommend" count, when there's a fight brewing, you can almost predict when someone in the posse's gonna complain.
                                                                                                                                                                    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                                    Exactly why I wasn't a fan of the Recommend feature when it launched. And it remains my least fav way it is used. Bully pulpit of the most silent majority kind.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                      Totally disagree, HillJ. For me, it's the equivalent of +1 but without that then popping up as a new post. And that's the way I 'read' them when I see them. Just me.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                        I can understand the disagree just as easily as my own agreement here with kaleo. Because these types of Recommend hits will always depend what side of the comment you sit on.

                                                                                                                                                                        A +1 from you might be a 'no thanks' from me...and so it goes with the nature of opinion :) Nothing wrong about that.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                          I do wish we had a disagree also but I guess if I'm going to disagree than it's really incumbent on me to explain why. So I guess I DON'T want a disagree :)

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                            Are you saying a disagree button..oh heavens no. That's not what I'm saying.

                                                                                                                                                                            I'm (trying) to say the Recommend button it appears to be used for several purposes depending on the comment you're Recommending (on/with/etc). And if as kaleo pointed out the discussion gets heated those Recommend hits go into double digits.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                              That's true. I was thinking just now about the Barilla thread. I posted pretty regularly on it in the beginning but now mostly just do 'recommend.' Just my way of saying "I think this is a good point and have nothing further to add to it." I'm not sure I've ever seen (or noticed) a double digits recommend post. But I really try to stay away from that type of thread these days :)

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                jrvedivici's post on this thread has double digit recommends. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                  Now that's just flat out funny and smart writing!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                    That's true!

                                                                                                                                                                                    And, double digit Recommends can also occur when the comments aren't quite as friendly or down right unfriendly.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I sure hope I didn't leave anyone with the impression that Recommends are JUST used for negative purposes 'cause I know I didn't say that. I said several purposes..

                                                                                                                                                                                    What I did try to say was Recommends can be used for all sorts of reasons (and clearly are) and a lack of comment by a poster doesn't help me always understand if the CH is using the Recommend feature for sarcasm, wit, disgust or agreement.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I find it a confusing feature more times than not.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                      One more oddball question on this: Recommends don't get censored/deleted/Moderated directly. You want to align yourself without a lengthy comment, hit the Recommend button.

                                                                                                                                                                                      But, if the comment you Recommended is deleted are you bothered? Or, is the CH that made the written comment the person being deleted?

                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, it's all too much for my simpler communication tastes.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                        It's walking in lockstep with the respondent, whether sarcasm, wit, disgust, or agreement. Without wasting viewers' pixels.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                          So if you were sitting at the dinner table with me and my friends all you'd have to do is shake your head in silence to convey your opinion during dinner conversation and I'd understand what your'e thinking?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Sorry I welcome more than that from conversation :)

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                            I tend to be more vocal and manual with opinions, when it is my turn. For those who disagree, no soup!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm a simple gal with simple tastes...including soup.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm fairly simple as well. I've always accepted the 'Recommend' button as a simple feature that means the person who 'recommends' a post simply agrees with it and wishes to convey that thought to others. I see no other reason for the button

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  True (again) and when you hit the Recommend button to agree with a less than friendly comment you also convey that thought. And if the Mods aren't removing that comment for whatever reason might be warranted (because these comments often do stir the pot on threads) then the number of people also hitting the same Recommend button are joining in on that unfriendly comment. Oh and then the thread takes all sorts of twists and turns, piling on and button pushing until the entire OP becomes a big waste of time and energy and is locked down.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  So, while yes we can focus on the wonderful, fun spirited reasons why a Recommend button is used, I think the feature has been around long enough for most CH's to have seen a few examples of the rather unkind and heated ways the same Recommend feature can be used.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm curious, %-wise, how many threads get locked. Seems rare to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not sure any of us could answer that and by far the extreme unfortunate results are visual locks so we can see those OPs that end there. But the Mods are relaxing allowable content so not all discussions end in a locked thread but unfriendly..well I see more unfriendly discourse all the time. Is it too harsh of me to point out harshness?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think those 'piling on' threads are few, at least on the topical threads, I don't know much about the regional boards. I think I 'recommended' only one post that could be considered 'piling on'. I thought providing opinions is what this site is all about?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thought providing opinions about food, right?

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi, HillJ:

                                                                                                                                                                                  The hilarious thing I've noticed about the "Recommend" button is when one of the combatants goes back and "Recommends" every single post that disagrees with their opponent's.

                                                                                                                                                                                  It's like the mute uncle character on Breaking Bad ringing his little bell...

                                                                                                                                                                                  Aloha,
                                                                                                                                                                                  Kaleo

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                    Ding..ding..ding..and we know how that ended!

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks, HillJ, for accepting my very first "Recommend".

                                                                                                                                                                                3. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                  I agree totally HillJ- so much so that I recommended your original statements.

                                                                                                                                                                                4. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                  "The real skill is politely calling a knucklehead a knucklehead without drawing a foul."

                                                                                                                                                                                  That, my sage-like friend is what I was saying in the sarcasm thread my buddy, jrv, referred to above by paraphrasing my post in the "Sarcasm" thread. The original: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/915104 Keep in mind, however, with a guy that big, that lovable, and that devoted to bein' a 'hound, it's all good 'cause his heart's always in the right place.

                                                                                                                                                                                  In fact, that was the point I made in my "Holding" post I made above. I paid for college on the gridiron. I learned how to grab cloth (on and off the feild) without getting called for it. Life, like this Site, kinda works the same way.

                                                                                                                                                                                  "Damn, Ref, I got all ball!!!"

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                    The "ref's" on this site have a thankless task. But an invaluable one. Because almost everyone of us operates on your learning how to grab cloth and (hopefully) not get called for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Without the ref's the "cloth grabbing" would become more pronounced and less artful. At some point a line is crossed. We can debate, discuss, bitch, moan and carp about where that line is until the end of time.

                                                                                                                                                                                    But the ref's have to make the call and the game has to go on. Should this game turn into a rules free anarchy we will all be losers...

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                      That was both my point and my humor.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I just hope that those who take the time to pay attention to the Site Talk Board, contribute to it, and get "censored" occasionally, realize that admitting when the folks with the whistles have made a good call is only fair.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                        My main point, good call or not, the game goes on. And the site has always had (maybe not so quite instant) review of the call after the fact (without even having to go under the hood).

                                                                                                                                                                                5. I got an email this week from one of our wonderful Mods that stated its mostly other people flagging my posts, not the Mods..some posters seem to be on here 24/7..

                                                                                                                                                                                  IMHO, some of you need to step away from the computer and get a life...enjoy the food and drink that this site is supposed to be about.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Too many busybody's that are ruining this great site with their own helicopter moderating, just salivating waiting to hit the flag button of others.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Just my two Aloha cents. .

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                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                                                                                                    I'd say that's generally that's the case for all of us. The mods, on this thread and elsewhere, are pretty clear that they don't read all the threads/posts and they depend on CHs to flag things.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't wear a little tin badge here, I only flag WAY over the top stuff, vulgarity (heh heh heh) and nocturnal spammers.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                        I report (suspected) shilling about 10 to 1 over anything else. Although, at times, after a sub thread that isn't a local board topic crosses the 10 comment line I will ask that it be moved to the right board.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh the dreaded nocturnal spammers!

                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                                                                                                          It never occurred to me that this happens very often (people flagging posts to be deleted). I expect it when threads get heated, I guess, but I always seem to miss the action. I read the comments about the deletions but miss the comments. I wonder how many flags the moderators receive daily? I flag to try to be helpful, eg, thread is on the wrong board; or needs to be broken off (often cooking based on a local board) so they can get better responses. I'm also curious now how many posts are deleted a day. How much of a job is moderating us?

                                                                                                                                                                                        3. I've had a few posts pulled, not many, and all forgettable. Except the one where the OP asked what to do with an entire pig's head. I told what I thought was a pretty amusing story about what my sisters did with one in our teenage years, but my post disappeared in just a few minutes. I couldn't find the thread at all the next day, so apparently the mods decided the whole damn thing needed the ax.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: kitchengardengal

                                                                                                                                                                                            I had some posts pulled and recieved nasty gram e-mails from the mods a couple years ago when I was still fairly new. I still get an occasional post pulled, but have not gotten any warnings over them. I think I was even put on double-secret probation after a somewhat testy exchange on a thread about locavores. (He disappeared shortly after that so I can only assummed he was banned.)

                                                                                                                                                                                            The only reason I'm replying to you kgg, is I really want to know what your sisters did with a pig's head? Give it a go on this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                              "Nasty"? Really? I've gotten more than "some" and none were "nasty." That's too bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                I've received very nice feedback from the mods when I stepped over the line.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I've pulled my profile info (name, address, etc) thanks to some nasty posters who used that info to berate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, maybe not nasty, that was just a term that popped up. I was not making any accusations about any particular mod.

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Alright, John, I'm game...

                                                                                                                                                                                                  We lived across the street from a family who owned a packing plant and sausage factory. My younger sister's best friend was their daughter. They were in maybe 9th grade, and the daughter asked her dad for a pig's head to take to school for science class. The afternoon before she took it to school, she and my sister placed it on the wooden armchair in my mother's bedroom while she was taking an after-gardening shower. I took a peek, thought this huge wide-eyed pig face in the bedroom was disgusting/ hilarious and hightailed it out of the house before the s--t hit the fan.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  All I know is that the dead pig head disappeared back to the neighbor's house, and my sister was grounded and not terribly happy at dinnertime that evening. Nobody dared say a word about it. Ever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kitchengardengal

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I can understand your mother's reaction. I have a pig's head story myself, although it was my father who was the protagonist. My father used to roast whole hogs. It started with my high school graduation party many years ago and he probably has roasted a couple dozen 200# hogs over the years, the last being in 2002 for my eldest nephew's high school graduation party. When my dad served the pigs, he usually ended up with a lot of bones and the feet and head left over. (I know, I know, he, or I, should have used that for some good eats, but after messing around with a whole roasted hog for a backyard party, there comes a time when it's just enough.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Anyway, my dad had this roasted pig's head. He's a product of The Great Depression and although he didn't want to make anything to eat out of it himself (it had probably been sitting outside for about 12 hours by this time), he did not just want to throw it into the trash. My parent's townhouse bordered a several thousand acre county park and there was a paved hiking, biking, rollerblading path a hundred yards behind his house. There was also a fox den couple hundred yards east of his house. (He had been watching the fox mom and dad and had seen the kits as well on his morning walks.) So, my dad thought he would put the roasted pig's head out in the weeds behind his house so he could watch the fox family feast upon it. Well, feast they did, and they dragged the roasted hog's head out onto the paved trail. It was quite amusing to see the people biking, hiking, and walking along to come across the pig's head. They gave it a wide berth.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks, kgg and c, I sometimes fear (not on this thread) that my stories and sometimes off-topic comments can be perceived as boring and I should keep them to myself (another unnamed poster once told me so).

                                                                                                                                                                                                          On a related note. We have the concrete blocks for the hog oven at our hunting land in northern Minnesota. My father is almost 82 and has said he would like to roast at least one more whole hog. My brothers and I will make sure he gets that chance. (We're going to have to plan a pretty big party and invite everybody within about a 10 mile radius. I think a poster at the local bar will do the trick.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I wish I were nearby :) I think these stories make CH more personal and I love reading them. I'm 66 so your father's 82 doesn't sound all that old to me :) Many more hogs to cook for sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              John, I always enjoy reading your posts, and I don't recall feeling bored by them at all. And I really did enjoy this one about your dad and the foxes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hope you have a great pig roast for your dad. That's a nice gift for him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            animals - god love them, they have such different ideas about 'place' and 'propriety'. people poach on our land and 'field-dress' the deer out in the woods. my dog keeps finding them and bringing parts home. so far this year 3 skulls have shown up in the yard. I guess there's a macabre centerpiece for Halloween "hey Mom, can I borrow the Waterford?".

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Can I share a pig story? When I was in middle school, my dad decided to have a pig roast for a party. I knew there was going to be a cook out, but didn't know that it was going to a pig. So the day prior to the cookout, I go into the bathroom to take a shower and there this pig carcass in the tub. All sorts of things had been poured over it. My dad had used the tub to marinate the pig. That was a surprise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: kitchengardengal

                                                                                                                                                                                                              There's a tale in Jacques Pepin's memoir about the time he and some other French cooks wanted to do something involving pig's heads. They were having a hard time locating any but at length found a source that would ship them to the east end of Long Island, where the group was staying. One thing led to another, nothing was done with the heads, and they began to stink. The men's solution was to take them far out in the boat and throw them overboard to feed the fishes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not far enough. The heads began to wash ashore, prompting local police to launch a fruitless search for what they assumed was a satanic cult operating in the area.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Oh yeah. Censors are capricious, arbitrary, and a bit dim.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: sal_acid

                                                                                                                                                                                                            You mean they resemble a cross section of those they are censoring?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's exactly my thought, Servorg.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                people with "power" are supposed to at least aspire to something "better," aren't they?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: linus

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You mean just like the rest of us?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think of them as a "jury of my peers." Nothing more or less. Dammit :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I will say that the "ref's" seem to have a more sound psychological profile generally than the rest of us. Just sayin'...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        'Course we don't know who they are so maybe other mods are deleting them :) Can a mod get BFLd?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "I will say that the "ref's" seem to have a more sound psychological profile generally than the rest of us."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i wish i was articulate enough to describe just how much this statement fills me with a nameless dread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              what theory is that again?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        no, not like the rest of us.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        isn't there a societal expectation that folks like cops, judges, presidents, etc. aspire to behave a little bit better than the hoi polloi?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        if you're on a jury, isn't there a societal expectation you'll bring your best, or better than your best, self rather than your 'typical' self?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        look, nobody's perfect, but i would hope if i were in such a position, i would at least attempt to behave better than i usually do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: linus

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "look, nobody's perfect, but i would hope if i were in such a position, i would at least attempt to behave better than i usually do."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You would behave as part of a team with a "goal" that will never be reached, but aspired to just the same. A focused and friendly community where most people come to have fun and maybe learn something in the process.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            first of all, predicting MY behaviour is a zero sum game, at best.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            you don't want to know what it is at worst.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            second, is there a difference between fruitless aspiration towards an unreachable goal, and
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            holding those with power to a higher standard of behaviour?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            didn't spider-man's uncle say, "with great power comes great responsibility?"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            seriously, man, are you really going to question your friendly neighborhood spider-man?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: linus

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not predicting your behavior when left to your own devices. Only saying that as part of a team you either adhere to the team goal or you go on your merry independent way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The choice is yours. Much like the choice to participate here, or not, depending on your ability to play within in the lines. Voluntary participants come here of their own volition (hey, that must be one of those tautology things like "all black cats are black" deals!) with the full knowledge that this is a "moderated" site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                there are many ways to reach a team goal, and i don't see sir alex 'round here to guide us.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                of course the choice is mine. was anything but ever on the menu?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i totally agree everyone is here voluntarily -- including the moderators. that doesn't mean everyone -- posters and moderators -- aren't accountable.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                however, since only one half of that equation -- the moderators -- has any power to "censor," different standards apply.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: linus

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We (the site posters) are accountable to the moderating team. The moderating team have Jacquilynne and she has a boss who has boss and so on, right up the line to Les Moonves (who has a board to report to).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I would also say that we have a responsibility as posters to each other that is unwritten to some degree. If we won't abide by that responsibility then it is the job of the refs (Mods) to enforce that responsibility.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You or I may disagree with any (or all) of those decisions as applied here to we posters. But you agreed to abide by the rules of the site when you signed up to participate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We can lobby for change, and sometimes those efforts result in a lessening or loosening of those site rules. But what remains to be seen is if such lobbying will result in rules you dislike be eased, or will they be ones you like and wish would remain in place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You can always dash off an email to Les and let him know how you feel. Although (keeping this chow centric) I am willing to bet he has bigger fish to fry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Is all that protection really necessary? And you left out the very hard working DaveMP!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Seems to me the CHOW team is wearing enough hats each without our adding Rant Collector to their list of daily scrub.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What's wrong with asking a question about the ways things roll on CH; CH to CH? Why brow beat (my words not yours) even the hint of question when asked?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Unless you've been given the title Mod Cheerleader or Mod Protector or have some insider information that us plain folk don't have, why Servorg are you impatient?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mods are a mystery. They volunteer anonymously. We are told that Mods also enjoy full CH membership. They delete us and scold us and sometimes piss us off. The ying and yang of participating here. With so many Site Topics covering "the talk about the talk" what's the harm in asking about fairness in moderation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My POV also undoubtedly explains why I don't watch even one so called "reality" based T.V. program.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i'm not sure i know what you're saying, serv.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chowhound isn't a team in any sense of the word that I'm familar with, except for the site's employees. I certainly never considered that posting here made me a member of a team with any sort of unified goal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've been on a quite a few teams in my life and I agree with the notion that the pursuit of a "unified goal" is an element they've all, necessarily, shared. I disagree, however, that the denizens of this Site don't comprise a "team". After all, are we not unified in our pursuit of deliciousness?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That pursuit is fostered by the give and take of sharing thoughts, experiments, experiences, recollections, failures and successes, exhilaration and disappointment. Consequently, that pursuit is also fostered by disagreement. Some of the most vicious curveballs I've ever whiffed at or tackles I've ever exploded into, took place on a practice field - in the end we were all better players, and a better team, because of 'em.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The maintenance of decorum is certainly essential, but genuine flares of passion must remain forgivable. In the end, remember, we all have the same goal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Chowhound isn't a team, it is perhaps a league. There is a collective search for the delicious, but there are different views of what delicious is. No different than the search for truth. There are different things that are true.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To use a different sports analogy, Chowhound is a rugby game. Someone puts the ball in play and runs with it and at some point he passes the ball to someone to carry forward or somebody else overtakes him, knocks him down and takes the ball and runs in another direction. Every now and then after a foul you have a scrum. Everyone is shoving, kicking and trying to grab the ball, someone picks it up and then runs with it for as long as he can and it starts all over again. Which deliciousness will reign supreme?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's great fun to watch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Having played Rugby a handful of times, all I can say is, I never tried to knock down a guy on my squad or steal the ball from him. I may have run parallel and a coupla steps behind, hoping for the ball, but, ultimately, we sought the same goal. Which way we scored didn't matter - much as the subjectivity of what one soul thinks is delicious doesn't matter. The process is towards producing points. Nobody cares if you cross the line in the middle of the field or the corner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you believe that you're in this for yourself, fine. That's your choice. Personally, I think the collective is what creates the greatest value.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think a sports analogy is pretty darn close to what this site is about. Some armchair quarterback, some love to be spectators, some play nicely, some play fair and anyone who wants to can play...as long as you bring your A game or can handle the huddle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            As for a team, well, I think there are dozens and dozens of CH teams running around this site and like any great game the champions and sub's change season to season.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There are times I feel like tackling using the crown of my helmet on some of the other players...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I thought you were in charge of sandwiches?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I ate them all on the way over to the game.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well wait an hour before you head back 'in' okayyyyy!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've thought that sports metaphors have been worth exploring for a while on this thread. Still do. I've played on teams for over thirty years, in one way or another. I see the folks here as teammates helping to pursue a common goal. If others wanna see other 'hounds as opponents, that's their thing. I'll play hard, but I'll also always offer a hand to help another up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My way, ultimately, we all wind up winning. The other way, somebody has to lose.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This is where we all hold hands and sing there's no "I" in TEAM, right?? (just a joke)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Clear Eyes, Full Stomachs, Can't Lose

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Dave MP

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dave MP - you should print up t-shirts with that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=h...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Already a greeting card..t-shirt can't be far behind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, apparently I wasn't the first person to think of that :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Dave MP

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Apparently, I'm the first person who doesn't get it. My approach has always been more: Bloodshot Eyes, Hungry Belly, They Can't Win.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Isn't that a corollary to the Anti-Desiderata? http://hallford.aegauthorblogs.com/20... (g)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Aw hell, that was Oprah Book Club deep.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I was simply noting that amphetamines were preferable to Wheaties on a Saturday morning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dude, there are two teams on the pitch. Each reaches for their own goal. Watching the two pursue their separate goals creates something better than one team moving in one direction. Its a metaphor. Maybe a poor one but not in apropos. There are opposing views on CH. If we all thought the same and pursued the same goal, this would be a boring place. If there was no one to convince of the correctness of your taste or at least someone to discuss different views with, what good is the discussion?Hegel's dialectic, thesis, antithesis, synthesis. One team on the field does not a game make.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You feeling ok man? You seem a little subdued. You're scaring me a bit with your almost corporate team building speak. Not the MGZ I've come to know and follow here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Like a pretty girl who doesn't notice you unhookin' her bra when you lick the back of her ear, I swoon when talk of the dialectic comes up. To that end, I offer only, "Hat's off", "Well played", and, it appears the thorazine must finally be workin'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What can I say, I love you guys. I can't stop seekin' the synthesis, even when I suggest the thesis to begin with. I'd rather fight with another 'hound than break bread with somebody who ain't one any day. To me, I s'pose, it's just smashin' heads durin' three-a-days - after it's over we all go and eat from the same training table.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Is the "Z" in MGZ for Lombardi? Very well said as always my friend.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. I get censored all the fucking time. Most times I don't even get an email. If you say things contradictory to the posters that the mods suck off your shit disappears.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's fine, but you just need to consider that CH is incredibly susceptible to groupthink.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ALL of my death threats get flagged apparently. some people just can't take a joke.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I guess it is puzzling since it doesn't appear to be the profanity that's getting any of mine (or others') posts deleted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe you have another theory?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Profanity, unless directed at another 'hound, isn't a deletable offense.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. I've had posts removed but TTBOMK never received an explanatory email. Clearly I haven't tried hard enough to be offensive. That's OK. I'm here for a fun swim in the pool.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: tcamp

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Stay in the shallow end and you'll elude the sharks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. I've had posts moved to other boards, but not actually changed in some way. I think of it as editing. I've worked as an editor and I value someone helping me to look my best. Sometimes, you can write something in what you think is an engagingly wry vein only to learn that others thought you were being sarcastic or belittling of them. Of course, you may not always agree with an editor's decision, but they can save you from creating animosity. So I would give the moderators some slack.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Father Kitchen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the moderators don't edit responses, they either move them, remove them in their entirety, or leave them alone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If an edit is the most practical action, mods will first ask for consent from the poster.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Sometimes I just can't help myself like earlier today. You ask for some recommendations. You mildly define what you are looking for. Someone responds with something that is obviously the antithesis of what you were looking for. So you point it out to them. Then you get a nice email from the mods.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "We've removed your posts that were critical of a poster's suggestion. She posted what she thought might be helpful. If you have a problem with a sincere suggestion, just pass it by and move on, please. Adding "Gag!" didn't help either. "

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        'Fraid I got nailed for something similar recently.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "...Adding "Gag!" didn't help either. "

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          really? they spelled that out? and and AND you had used that word? HA!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. So after reading this thread as well as some others I have a question for either the mods or my fellow Chow's. What exactly is an offense punishable by banishment?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I see many comments regarding posters who have either been banned or "encouraged" to move on, so what exactly are the straw(s) that breaks the mod's back?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          a.) Too many warnings going unheeded?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          b.) Constant harassment/trolling certain users?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          c.) Shill(s)?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          d.) All of they above?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have certainly come to notice certain "cliques" that seem to always agree on subjects and often post in tandem with each other......is that a no no? Then you have someone like me who admittedly adds a fair share of nonsense to some topics, in an attempt at levity....is that no no? I do get plenty of posts removed and or warnings, but none that I have been told were malicious.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          So what does it take to get cast off Chow Island?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Humor generally isn't one of them. I say generally, because not everyone has the same sense of humor. So, something one might find hilarious can come across as acerbic, sarcastic, condescending, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But you got a good handle on the major reasons: a, b, c, d.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Oh ok, well if humor isn't one of them I better polish up and start getting funnier!! (see what I did right there?)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But I think humor for the sake of humor rather than tied into anything remotely food related could be a no-no. I've read things and gone "huh? what's that about?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                There's an escalating series of warnings and suspensions prior to anyone getting banned (with the exception of outright shills and spammers) so if you haven't been asked (a few times) to commit to posting in an appropriate manner going forward in order to have your account turned back on, you're in no danger of being perma-banned from the site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Being funny obviously isn't a reason for a ban, but as lingua noted, what you might think is funny can seem like a personal attack to the person on the receiving end of it. If the butt of your joke is another Chowhound, it's probably not a good choice. We also greatly prefer that people are funny in the context of posts that are actually about food and on-topic for the thread they're on, rather than just riffing fairly random jokes into threads -- use humor to add levity to your food posts, rather than distracting attention from others' food posts with jokes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "We also greatly prefer that people are funny in the context of posts that are actually about food and on-topic for the thread they're on, rather than just riffing fairly random jokes into threads..."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If we're going to have moderation, I wish that this would be more uniformly enforced.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That's not a hard rule, just a preference. We're more likely to delete non-foodish, off-topic jokes if they're even vaguely problematic in other ways, but we don't delete them simply for being jokes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have definitely seen B and C users get banned. Just recently on the Boston board, someone got the boot for harassing a regular poster so heatedly and so frequently that he/she actually would attack her posts in entirely unrelated threads.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And lest this seem like an issue of cliquishness, the poster who was being repeatedly attacked is...er, how to put this politely...not someone who is universally beloved by fellow Hounds. But it still wasn't cool for this troll to be going out of their way to insult and berate them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Jenny Ondioline

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jenny - a few years ago on the DC board there was a (I still think knowledgeable) poster who could not say one single thing w/o being refuted and scolded by another one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      the troll stopped showing up eventually - nobody would feed that energy, they dried up and withered away. the nice and welcome poster has moved away but still maintains a presence in DC.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think it was sort of a meta-Darwin moment rather than a 'ban'

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Jenny Ondioline

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        im on the boston board as well, and there IS a clique, BTW.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kewpie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I haven't felt too bothered by the Boston clique-ness, but I do sometimes get the impression that some Boston regular posters are gathering in real life and I'm not invited. I dunno how they get each others' contact information. There are some regulars I'd really like to meet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: enhF94

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We need someone to set up a chow meet. (finger on nose) Not it! ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: enhF94

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Years ago, there was a tradition of meet-ups in Boston-area restaurants, and a handful of people kept the tradition alive in varying combinations for a while. I don't know how prevalent that is still, because the folks that Allstonian and I used to meet up with tend to do their lunches on Saturday afternoons, which is when we're usually running our weekend errands.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think the 'cliques' and tandem postings occur as some folks interests just naturally coincide. I have nothing to offer in the area of canning and don't intend to try it anytime soon, haven't been to Europe in over a decade so have nothing specific to share, etc. etc. etc. however there ARE subjects that I can speak to and I find a lot of the same faces there, but it's not like I follow them around (and I don't flatter myself by thinking they are there because of me).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But there are posters, who when I see them, I'll take a look, frequently agree and will comment. I think it's just human nature to establish a credibility that we react to. And, yeah, yeah, yeah, I keep an eye out for you :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              heh - I will say with time I have come to trust the judgement of some over others.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. I've only received one email for a post of mine being removed and that was when I accidentally (because I don't always read that well) posted in a regional thread for NYC about what you had for lunch. Apparently NYCers don't care what I had for lunch. :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, as has been said, if you ain't deleted occasionally, you ain't trying hard enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm such a baby hound. I have a far ways to go. Besides that one example, I've noticed posts of mine deleted in response to another post which is the offending post and that post along with all the responses to it are deleted. I've never received an email for this, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                they'll do that just to maintain the continuity of the conversation -- the rest of the discussion sometimes doesn't make any sense if they remove a key, but offensive, post.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm cool with that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh yeah, I don't have a problem with it. Just an observation. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'll try to step up my game. Maybe jr and mgz can help. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thinking to myself;
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      {{{Hahahahahahahaha nothing good can come of this}}}}

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sara, we were all Chow pup's before we became full fledged hound's, don't worry it all comes together, all in due time. Hell MGZ will still roll up a news paper and smack me in the snout, generally when I have an accident on the kitchen floor. I'm sorry I can't help it I get excited around new hounds!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Although the thought of an MGZ Jr's - Hound Obedience School, does sound like it might have some merit. Jacq, Chow Team, email me if you would like to discuss this further, I'll be checking my in box!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        As much of an Existentialist as I may be, giant Beta, there is really, ultimately, only one rule for everything, and it is Golden.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. In their deepest, darkest moments the mods refer to me by a special name.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Job Security"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                We don't want to seem unappreciative of your efforts on our behalf, but since most of us are volunteers, we're all set on that front. Really.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: The Chowhound Team

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Volunteer", eh? The "jobs" you guys do, coupled with the use of that word, reminds me of the terms of my parole.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Or perhaps, your offenses were more minor? "Community Service", by any other name, after all . . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Court ordered Moderation on CH has been deemed "cruel and unusual" punishment due to the onerous nature of dealing with the miscreants who gather here...So that can't be it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      yet perhaps beats picking up trash along the state highway

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Cleaning up Internet trash vs real trash? Hmm, tough call. But the rabid raccoons and the odious opossums aren't constantly calling you an idiot for your roadside clean up technique.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That makes roadside cleanup much more restful, even considering the potential hazard of instant death from an overworked truck driver nodding off at the wheel...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You could get banished to yelp.... ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: The Chowhound Team

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I thought this thread was only for those 'Hounds who have been modded.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mods: please delete, I've flagged it as "off-topic".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: The Chowhound Team

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hey CH Team volunteers: Don't quit your day jobs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. OK, I'm disturbed... what did I do wrong? I'm freaking out... I just got an email from the mods yesterday... (sorry about all the ellipsis before and to come) When I get one of these I open it with fear and perturbation. I was shocked. Yes, I say shocked, when I read it. Before I looked I got sweaty palms... What did I do? I've been trying to be nice. Something that comes really hard for me. I don't suffer fools gladly. Actually I stomp on them in real life and on the net I am actually much, much gentler.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hell, I know I am a know it all. Well deserved because I rarely talk unless I know I am right. (Or it's late night and I am exhausted or over cocktailed, and "testy".)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          So I opened this email... and just about keeled over in a state of shock.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My brain went into a whirl, I think I got a brain cloud...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          OK, as unbelievable as it may sound. I still am not sure it is real. I actually got a thank you, and praise... What did I do wrong? ;-)>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I actually felt appreciated?!? Validation? I have to make a drink and crawl under the covers in bed. I don't know what to think...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            oh you've done it now. ever seen that part of "Godfather I" when the Don delivers a kiss? yup, take a different way to work tomorrow or have someone else start your car.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            you people don't know the depth of in what we've become involved.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe you should put it up on the refrigerator? That way, everybody can see it and be jealous. It's got me thinkin' about turning Eddie Haskell. I'm even wondering 'bout givin' up stealing lunch money for Lent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Honestly though, if you got your Gold Star for your dissertation on "makin' bacon", it was well deserved.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                there are plenty of those "Eddie Haskell"s on these boards already...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Gastronomos

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yeah, I doubt I'd last more than a few days anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Truth is though, JMF's contributions to the Bacon thread were truly worthy of taking out the red sharpie to draw a big, fat smiley face on. It was the kind contribution that belongs with fourunder's slow roasted meats, Woodburner's coal trigger for barbecue, RGR's LES Tour, and others. See: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/966283

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It also clearly illustrates how the new formatting approach really undermines the value of the flow of posts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: JMF

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I just checked my email, no such luck for me! And no MGZ I'm not going to start holding my breath, you got me with that once already, I blew a blood vessel in my eye.