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this has popped up in various guises lately on other threads. Such as hot dishe/casserole/covered dish, mango/bell peppers, and of course the perennial soda/soft drink/pop/soda pop/coke

Any others? And where are do each of these hail from?

What about those wheeled metal or plastic things you push around in the market/grocers/grocery store/supermarket/store that you put your items to be purchased. Is it a Cart? a Basket? or like old days in Hawaii a Wagon?

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  1. OK, I'll go first. On the west coast was an herb well known as cilantro. Moved to Hawaii and found no such herb, but something that looked just the same abounded called chinese parsley. Also sometmes known as flat leaf parsley.

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      1. re: Leslie

        Flat leaf parsley is not coriander/cilantro. They are in the same family, but different in taste:


        1. re: LotusRapper

          Surely flat leaf parsley tastes like curly leaf parsley. Very different flavour from coriander.

          1. re: LotusRapper

            I think Leslie meant that cilantro is called coriander also. I use a lot of recipes from Donna Hay's (Australian) website and she calls cilantro leaves coriander leaves. Her cookbooks produced for the US have changed it to cilantro.

            1. re: juliejulez

              Correct. I was referring to cilantro, coriander, as well as Chinese Parsley. Flat leafed parsley looks very similar, so I do sometimes have to take a good look, but it is not cilantro and not a substitute.

              1. re: juliejulez

                My understanding was that cilantro is the leaf, coriander the seed.

                1. re: jmckee

                  I believe coriander refers to the plant itself that also is called cilantro. Coriander seed is the spice. When used in a recipe, it usually will call for ground coriander. Coriander, the leaf, is an herb. I don't know the origins of the word, but the word "cilantro" appears to have a Spanish origin. When used in mid eastern food, it is called coriander. It also appears Asian food, which is why it also sometimes referred to as Chinese Parsley.

                  1. re: jmckee

                    More recently I believe this is becoming the norm but reading some cookbooks from the late 80s early 90s Martha Stewart uses coriander and definitely means cilantro (there are pictures).

                    1. re: jmckee

                      That's a common usage, but not a definition.

                      Coriander is an old world herb that fell out of favor in much of Europe several centuries ago. But it was readily adopted in Latin America, where it is known as cilantro. There's a similar tasting New World, but unrelated herb called culantro (often sold by its Vietnamese name).

                      The seeds continued to be used in Europe and USA. The herb form was reintroduced to USA cooks via Chinese cookbooks, hence the name 'chinese parsley'. 'cilantro' came along with the popularity of Mexican cooking, especially fresh salsas.

                      1. re: jmckee

                        Nope, it's purely a regional thing. I've never heard of coriander being called cilantro except in the Americas, regardless of whether it's the seed or the leaf.

                        1. re: jmckee

                          In Australia they're BOTH coriander. Just 'seeds' or 'leaves' depending on which part of the plant you want to use. (the leaves are also referred to as 'fresh' coriander because the seeds are dried before use.

                          It's like if you want to be fancy, you can use 'courgettes' but it's still zucchini.

                          1. re: Kajikit

                            In recipes from the UK cilantro leaves are called coriander. The seeds in both the UK and US are coriander.

                  2. re: KaimukiMan

                    I grew up in an Arabic household. We called cilantro/coriander "Kusbarah"

                  3. Old days in Hawaii, a wagon?
                    Gosh, it gives a new meaning to "circle the wagons", then.

                    1. Wheeled thing - that's a trolley.

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                      1. re: Harters

                        Yes, a trolley in the UK, but in the U.S. I have only ever heard Cart. Except in Hawaii it has apparently been called a wagon.

                        1. re: Tripeler

                          I'm assuming the OP wasnt just interested in American naming as he hadnt been so specific. But, yes, always trolley in the UK.

                          I'd be curious to know what it is in French. In the UK a restaurant might have a "cheese trolley" but, 22 miles away, it's a "chariot de fromage". I wonder if their supermarket things are also chariots.

                          1. re: Harters

                            Yes, they're also called 'chariots' in France.

                                1. re: LotusRapper

                                  For when you have to do a big shopping trip

                          2. re: Harters

                            ....it is indeed - but when I hear the word, I expect to hop on and pay the conductor. :)

                            1. re: Harters

                              I call it a cart, but my friends from southwest Virginia call it a buggy.

                                  1. re: John E.

                                    Just a buggy, John.

                                    In Indiana, we called them shopping carts or grocery carts. Here, it's a buggy, with no descriptor.

                                  2. re: kitchengardengal

                                    Buggy – Some regions of Canada, Detroit, Michigan, Colorado, parts of the Southern United States and Pittsburgh, the latter case often being considered a word related to Pittsburghese.

                              1. Dinner/supper?
                                Appetizer/H'ors d'ouvre?

                                It's a "Granny Cart," in these here parts. :)

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                                1. re: mamachef

                                  These days it's appetizer/hors d'oeuvre/starter (we've begun adopting the latter from the Brits).

                                  1. re: BobB

                                    oh, you mean Pupu's (hawaii)

                                    and when did a relish plate become crudités?

                                    1. re: KaimukiMan

                                      Crudite --raw veg served with a dip
                                      relish tray--cold veg ...may include pickled veg ...eaten as presented ...no dip

                                      1. re: bagelman01

                                        well that should engender some debate. my grandmother's relish tray came with a removable glass bowl specifically for dip, it may have been a wedding present circa 1920.

                                        1. re: KaimukiMan

                                          I have one of those! Or maybe... two?

                                          1. re: KaimukiMan

                                            I have several of those, too, but mine have a divided bowl for the dip(s).

                                    2. re: mamachef

                                      Really? I think of a granny cart as a two-wheeled bag or upright wire basket on wheels people use to take their shopping home. They are the legitimate possessions of shoppers, in contrast to the purloined shopping trolleys/carts abandoned on street corners and in alleyways.

                                      1. re: lagatta

                                        And they're used by all ages when trucking around rows upon rows of booths at large antique shows like Brimfield in Palmer, MA.

                                        1. re: lagatta

                                          lagatta: I'm trying to figure out where you got the impression that I think otherwise. A granny cart is exactly what you describe; a shopping cart, on the other hand, is used only in the store/parking lot and only to grocery shop. I've never ever called it a trolley, because to me a trolley is an electric bus in The City or one of those gondola things that takes you up to terrifying places while I try not to hurl. :)

                                          1. re: mamachef

                                            Trolley/shopping trolley – the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and some regions of Canada. (Wiki)

                                            1. re: mamachef

                                              Yes, you are from the US, so of course you wouldn't say shopping trolley.

                                              Unfortunately, some dishonest people take shopping carts (trolleys) off the grocery store's premises. For some reason, I often find them in the alley near here. I'm a bit annoyed, as I always call the store they have been stolen from, and don't get much in the way of thanks...

                                        2. Where I live the wheeled thingy one pushes around the market is called a wagon.
                                          Sweet fizzy drinks are sodas.
                                          We sometimes have hors d'oeuvre before dinner.
                                          The difference between cilantro and flat leaf parsley is the flat leaf parsley is Italian.

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                                          1. re: Gio

                                            I always thought wagons were pulled, not usually pushed.

                                          2. A colleague of mine once found that she had to ask her patients about "piecing" - she'd been using the word "snacking" and they were not understanding what she was asking about. Pennsylvania, I believe.

                                            But my non-food puzzler was on a visit to Minneapolis when we discovered a parking garage was called a ramp.

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                                            1. re: lemons

                                              A parking garage and parking ramp are synonymous. All urban, multi-level parking garages use ramps to get the cars from one level to another, thus the interchangeable terms.

                                              1. re: John E.

                                                I understand ramp is the word used in some places for garage. I understand why they use the word...but it's funny that it ended up being called after only one particular part of the garage, that's all. And it's a very regional use. When somebody tells me there's a ramp down the street, I go looking for a RAMP - not a garage. (We have ramps that lead to other things, too, like you'd use for wheelchairs.on sidewalks or in shopping malls.) YMMV; I just wasn't accustomed to it.

                                                1. re: lemons

                                                  I've been in parking garages where the whole thing is a ramp, one continual spiral.

                                                  1. re: lemons

                                                    When the word for a part of something is used to mean the whole thing, in linguistics that's called synecdoche and it isn't uncommon. The example Wikipedia gives is calling a hired worker a hired hand. Calling a whole parking garage a ramp (which is a part of the garage) is synecdoche.

                                                    1. re: Querencia

                                                      Thanks for the explanation. Not all references to 'ramp' in Minnnesota would include references to parking. If someone in the Twin Cities
                                                      uses the term 'parking ramp', there is no confusion as to it's meaning.

                                                  2. re: John E.

                                                    The ramp is part of the garage, the ramp :) if someone told me to look for a ramp, I wouldn't end up at a garage.

                                                    1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                      When the word ramp is associated with parking, I guess I would look for a parking structure. Actually, I have seen the terms used interchangeably.

                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                        Yes, they are in some parts of the country. Which is why some of us are confused, because it's a surprise to us.

                                                        1. re: lemons

                                                          If you told me there was a ramp I'd say 'good, I don't have to take the stairs'... but I wouldn't be looking for a parking garage! The ramp is just part of the building...

                                                  3. re: lemons

                                                    The city list of ramps

                                                    Other names from a Wiki article

                                                    Parking ramp
                                                    Multi-story car park
                                                    Car park
                                                    Parking structure
                                                    Parking garage
                                                    Parking building
                                                    Cycle park

                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                      This reminds me of this ponderable thought:

                                                      Why do people drive on parkways but park in driveways?

                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                        It's especially puzzling when you think that parks always have playground equipment (a toddler's definition).

                                                  4. A lot of my customers (I work with a lot of tourists/travelers, so they're from all over...I'm in NY) call lollipops "suckers." "Suckers" and "pop" (instead of soda) are like nails on a chalkboard to me (which I admit is totally irrational and a me-issue, so I apologize if that offends anyone).

                                                    And its a cart here. Though I feel as though my great grandmother used to call it something else.

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                                                    1. re: Tovflu

                                                      Not offended, but lollipops sound ridiculous to me, they are suckers :)
                                                      ..... and in my neck of the woods, soda is a club soda, "pop" is the word for coke, Pepsi, 7up, etc.

                                                      We call them shopping carts, usually have dinner (but supper is acceptable), and anything piled between big fat bread is a "sub".

                                                        1. re: LotusRapper

                                                          that map is not accurate, or things have changed. growing up in northern california, it was always called soft drinks. i moved to hawaii and found it was soda, which i had understood to only mean club soda.

                                                          1. re: LotusRapper

                                                            My dad and his family in North Dakota called it nectar. I remember seeing it on a diner menu there also in the sixties. I'd imagine that must have changed by now.

                                                          2. re: sedimental

                                                            We'll of course they're suckers! :)

                                                            I grew up calling pop "pop" but once I moved to the south I found I occasionally called it soda or soda pop. Oh, and when as children (in Illinois) we once a year were allowed to get a can of Shasta for our school picnic--that was soda. No matter the flavor.

                                                            Shopping cart, though basket is also used here. For me, basket is for the small trip with handheld plastic or metal basket. Cart is for the thing on wheels.

                                                          3. re: Tovflu

                                                            My mom was from Ireland and she called them gobsuckers or lollies.

                                                            1. re: Tovflu

                                                              I call it a shopping cart. But I constantly hear people call it a buggy here in NC and I want to kick something.

                                                              1. re: Tovflu

                                                                I grew up in Minnesota and I always understood the difference between a 'lollipop' and a 'sucker' was mostly size. A lollipop was to be licked while a sucker was sucked on because it would fit into your mouth right from the start. (Think Tootsie Pops.)

                                                                1. re: Tovflu

                                                                  Growing up, the word "lollipop" was a quaint, old-fashioned word for a sucker.

                                                                  1. re: sandylc

                                                                    quaint as in the Lollipop guild?

                                                                2. This should be a fun thread. My aunts in southern NC used to send me to the corner store for a "dope" when I visited. Not sure, but I think this came from Coco-Cola originally having cocaine in it, or maybe that was a myth. Grandma called the sink a "zink." Have never heard of anyone else saying it that way. I grew up calling okra "okree."

                                                                  Someone said it's a buggy here in Southwest VA, but I say and hear both cart and buggy.

                                                                  1. For me here in NJ... it's a cart at the supermarket, it's a soda (coke, pepsi, 7-up, etc), it's a bell peppeer (a mango is that yummy fruit with the big seed).

                                                                    And that LONG sandwich is NOT a sub... it's a HOAGIE with SPECIFIC ingredients.

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                                                                    1. re: kseiverd

                                                                      I've heard: Hoagie; Grinder; Submarine; Original Italian, and Po'boy. I'm sure there are others. What is specific about a hoagie's ingredients?

                                                                      1. re: mamachef

                                                                        <"What is specific about a hoagie's ingredients?">

                                                                        Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the difference is the ingredients in a hoagie are chopped. The first time I heard the word hoagie was when I was visiting in New Jersey a few years ago.

                                                                        1. re: Gio

                                                                          Thanks, Gio! Do I have this right, then: in a Sub., they're sliced but it's like a chopped Italian deli salad for a hoagie? Because in MN, I was introduced to somebody's concept of a hoagie, which I know as a grinder - parmesan, cutlets, tomato sauce, the fixings...
                                                                          go figure. It all sounds pretty good to me, right about now. :)

                                                                          1. re: mamachef

                                                                            I don't think Minnesota really had their own long sandwich on a bun culture. I grew up knowing that hoagies, poor (po') boys, and submarine sandwichies were a the same. I never heard of them referred to as grinders or torpedoes, and heroes until I was an adult and watching food shows on TV.

                                                                          2. re: Gio

                                                                            Hmmmm . . .Philly hoagies use sliced meats, tomatoes, onions; only the lettuce is chopped. And a grinder is a hoagie that's been heated in a pizza oven.

                                                                            ETA: A Philly board thread on hoagies: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/763574

                                                                          3. re: mamachef

                                                                            Heros and subs around the NY tristate area.

                                                                          4. re: kseiverd

                                                                            The mid-atlantic roots must run deep - I'm a "soda, cart, bell pepper, hoagie" as well.

                                                                            1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                              Soda, cart, bell/sweet pepper, sub (MD), grinder (CT)

                                                                              In PA a grinder has to be hot.
                                                                              MD- steak and cheese sub
                                                                              PA- a cheesesteak

                                                                            2. re: kseiverd

                                                                              They were called hoagies in northern New Jersey where I grew up.

                                                                              Up here in MA, they're ALL subs, with some grinders, IIRC. But regardless, the place you buy them are usually sub shops.

                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                All hoagies I've ever seen and eaten all have the splits on top of the top bun:


                                                                                And the bread is a wee bit denser than a sub bun.

                                                                              2. re: kseiverd

                                                                                In Westchester County, NY and part of Fairfield CT I think, the long sandwich is called a Wedge.

                                                                                1. re: JMF

                                                                                  Wedge is localized to northern. Bronx and Yonkers YONKERS with a small overflow into CT. It refers to a hot sandwich such as a meatball wedge. A cold ham and cheese from the same deli wold be a hero.

                                                                                  1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                    Well, in my experience of buying them since the early 70's, all throughout lower and mid-Westchester, a wedge can be hot or cold. An Italian combo wedge is cold. A meatball parm wedge is hot. I've never heard a local use the term hero. Ever. That's a NYC term. But I don't buy them at too many places anymore, so I don't know if the term is dying off. But I've heard hot and cold wedges ordered in Mamaroneck, Harrison, Rye, Hartsdale, New Rochelle, Larchmont, Portchester, White Plains, Bronxville, Eastchester, Scarsdale, and all over Yonkers. I've heard the term also used in Rockland, Putnam, and Dutchess counties, for both hot and cold. And when I waas in college there was someone from way upstate NY who called them wedges.

                                                                                    I get them from the local Italian deli's and pizza places. A&S Pork on Central Ave in Yonkers is my #1 place for an Italian combo wedge, Dante's in Hartsdale can be good, but not as good as 10 years ago and I rarely go anymore, Zucharelli's in Eastchester used to be great for Italian combo wedge or a meatball parm or eggplant parm wedge. But they started slipping a few years back and I haven't been since, Gino's Pizza Yonkers/Bronxville used to make a hell of a good meatball parm or chicken parm wedge. Lately they've had some ups and downs.

                                                                                    1. re: JMF

                                                                                      all the years we had our office on Ft Hill Rd just off Central Park Ave, we picked up lunch regularly at Stella's.........

                                                                                      Wedges were hot....meatball and other parms, sausage and peppers, etc.
                                                                                      Heros were cold...Italian combo, Roast Beef, ham and cheese, etc.
                                                                                      Near brother's apartment in the 60s and 70s on Tremont in the Bronx, all Heros, no wedges.
                                                                                      When he moved to Mosholu Parkway in late 70s...wedges.

                                                                                      1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                        Except today, in many parts of the U.S., "hero" and "gyro" are confused because Americans understand that when the Greek word "gyro" (which simply means "turn") is pronounced as close to the correct Greek as most Americans can manage, "gyro" comes out sounding like "hero," therefore a gyro/hero is a hot sandwich! Well, unless it's a sammich... Is anyone confused yet? '-)

                                                                                        1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                          Are you really sure there is confusion about 'hero' and 'gyro'? One is pronounced as 'hero' and the is pronounced as 'yearo', unless it is being said by about 95% of the population who pronounce the Mediterranean pita sandwich "gyro", just like it is spelled.

                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                            and yet I cringe and refrain from correcting. even those who really OUGHT to know better.

                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                              Yeah, I'm sure there is some confusion out there. I've been tackled by it more than once. '-)

                                                                                2. I'm from Northern VA for me it's:

                                                                                  Bell pepper
                                                                                  And couch, not sofa

                                                                                  My Mom is from PA and she says pop and suckers, though.

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                                                                                  1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                    Growing up, for me, the couch was called a divan and usually preceded with "Get your feet off of the".

                                                                                    I've never understood the difference between a freeway and an interstate.

                                                                                    1. re: JerryMe

                                                                                      Folks, we've removed some posts here that have nothing to do with food, dining, food shopping, or anything related to what Chowhound's about. Let's try to keep this interesting conversation focused on food-related terms.

                                                                                  2. I always need to change my mental image when someone says "pie" in reference to pizza. "Pizza pie" is somewhat redundant but at least the meaning is clear. But when someone declines a lunch invitation because they "just ate a slice of pie", I see lattice crusts and fruit.

                                                                                    When we're talking bread products for sandwiches, I tend to think of a roll as long, and a bun as round. But that's not hard and fast - pun intended, a hard roll is round - and seems to vary from person to person.

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                                                                                    1. re: greygarious

                                                                                      "just ate a slice of pie"

                                                                                      In NYC they'd say they just ate a slice. Where are you?

                                                                                      1. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                        In NYC eating a slice could mean a slice of pizza!! Not that pizza is important to New Yorkers!!!

                                                                                        1. re: Motosport

                                                                                          "In NYC eating a slice could mean a slice of pizza!!"

                                                                                          Motosport! Please read the post by Greygarious that I was responding to! She said she had a hard time when people said they'd just eaten a slice of pie and meant pizza (pie)!

                                                                                          In NYC "eating a slice" does not mean ANYTHING but eating a slice of pizza. That's why I asked Greygarious where she lived - that people would express this idea by saying they'd eaten a slice of pie.

                                                                                          1. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                            Ahhh!! Reading is involved!! Mea culpa!!

                                                                                        2. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                          I just ate a slice, and if it was Sicilian, you can be sure that pizza was NOT a pie, but a rectangle.

                                                                                          In the hinterlands, the pie shaped pizza is standard, thus the full expression "slice of pie."

                                                                                          I was born in New Haven, where Apizza is free form, ovalish and served on a sheet pan with uneven slices. We always said 'ate a slice'

                                                                                          Uniform slices from round pizza pies didn't come about until square cardboard pizza boxes replaced brown paper and twine for wrapping takeout pizza.

                                                                                          1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                            Brooklyn here:

                                                                                            A "pie" is a cicular pie

                                                                                            A "square pie" is a Sicilian pie

                                                                                            A "slice" is a slice from a pie

                                                                                            A "square" is a slice from a square pie

                                                                                            I know, Sicilian pies aren't aren't square but rectangular :)

                                                                                            1. re: kimm99

                                                                                              To confuse things even more....
                                                                                              Here in southern Connecticut thyere are many Greek or Greek-American owned pizza places who make pizza in round pans.
                                                                                              BUT..many of them cut the round pies in SQUARES...leaving many inside pieces without crust
                                                                                              Thus a square may be a slice from a round pie!

                                                                                              When I lived on Ocean Parkway 40+ years ago, a slice always meant it was from a round pie. A piece came from a Sicilian pizza. Never heard anyone order a square

                                                                                              1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                A lot of locally owned pizza places in Minnesota cut thin crust pizzas into squares. I kind of like it that way.

                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                  Much discussion over the years re round pies cut into squares. Very common here in STL, and I am told that in...Cleveland? Detroit? one of them, anyway, it's called a tavern cut.

                                                                                                2. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                  "a slice always meant it was from a round pie. A piece came from a Sicilian pizza. Never heard anyone order a square"

                                                                                                  Ditto. That's what I experienced and I grew up in Brooklyn, then the NYC 'burbs. Term slice might be used for Sicilian, but always as "a slice of Sicilian."

                                                                                          2. re: greygarious

                                                                                            My place of origin is Central Pennsylvania. No matter where I go, if I want to grab a slice for lunch, it is generally understood.
                                                                                            My other things seem to fall in line with everyone else from those parts:
                                                                                            bell pepper
                                                                                            cart (buggy really stumped me the first time I heard it)
                                                                                            And I push buttons, not mash or click them.
                                                                                            I find that all of these names hold true here in Arizona.

                                                                                            1. re: alliegator

                                                                                              I think a lot of the terms in the US are more generational than regional since we do move around a lot. but given the cross-pollination it's no big deal except maybe understandably to an ESL student "couch, davenport, chesterfield, sofa, which is right?"

                                                                                              I've never heard or would use "mash a button" but I'd understand.

                                                                                              my Grandma always called the car 'The Machine' ehh I knew what she meant. to her it was an enclosed tractor with comfy seats and went faster.

                                                                                          3. The dish, ubiquitous on school lunch menus, that's some variant on macaroni with tomato sauce and ground beef (plus sometimes other stuff). Here in New England it's American chop suey. In some parts of the midwest it's Johnny Marzetti. In other areas it's goulash. And I'm sure there are a few other names I'm not familiar with.

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                                                                                            1. re: BobB

                                                                                              Also known in my house as slumgullion.

                                                                                              1. re: BobB

                                                                                                My grandmother, who raised 7 kids on a truck farm outside of Chicago called that dish chop suey. I've never heard it called Johnny Marzetti, nor seen it on a school lunch menu.

                                                                                                They also ate pan haas, which is called scrapple when you get to Pennsylvania.

                                                                                                1. re: 512window

                                                                                                  The Johnny Marzetti name comes from the restaurant, Marzetti's, in Columbus, Ohio.

                                                                                                  My husband is from the Hudson Valley, and his mom made a dish she called Johnny Muhzetti. I think it wasn't even the same concoction.

                                                                                                2. re: BobB

                                                                                                  We called it goulash, as my Dad called it in his south side Chicago family.

                                                                                                  1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                    My mom called it goulash too, but hers had canned peas in it.

                                                                                                    Yeah, I know. Grew up in KC.

                                                                                                    I always called it pop as a kid, my kids call it soda. They also grew up in KC.

                                                                                                    1. re: chileheadmike

                                                                                                      my Grandmother made goulash too, but my friends looked at it and said - thats not goulash, thats beef stew. where are the tomatoes?

                                                                                                      1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                        Your grandmother sure new what real goulash was. I never ate real goulash until I went to Germany.

                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                          yes she did John. many's the time ive wished i'd paid just a bit more attention to what she was doing in the kitchen. but playing in the backyard is where she wanted us - out of her hair for a few minutes... LOL

                                                                                                  2. re: BobB

                                                                                                    Interesting! I've seen this, eaten this, and even made it in Home Ec, but I have to say none of these names ring a bell. I think we just called it "macaroni" (as opposed to macaroni and cheese). Actually, it might have been called "home made hamburger helper" in the aforementioned home economics class.

                                                                                                    1. re: plasticanimal

                                                                                                      I don't mean to be intrusive, but where did you grow up and roughly, what age bracket would you fall into?

                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                        I grew up in the 'burbs outside Toronto, born in 1975.

                                                                                                        1. re: plasticanimal

                                                                                                          I suppose that's why there isn't a regional term for what I grew up calling goulash. I have relatives in Toronto, up north in Timmons, Thunder Bay, Moose Jaw, Carmichael, SK (Pop. 10), and Vancouver. We're mostly only in touch with my Moose Jaw cousin.

                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                            I concur with what JungMann said: "I'm from the North Side of Chicago near Lincoln Square where goulash still refers to a paprika-laced stew from Hungary."

                                                                                                            Around here, goulash is a hearty Hungarian (or Polish) beef dish made with paprika, tomatoes and carrots:


                                                                                                            Generally served over wide egg noodles.

                                                                                                            1. re: LotusRapper

                                                                                                              I did indicate that real goulash is made in that manner on previous post on this thread.

                                                                                                    2. re: BobB

                                                                                                      at my high school (Oakland CA) it was 'baked macaroni'. not to be confused with macaroni and cheese.

                                                                                                      1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                        And then of course we have "macaroni pie...."

                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                            John E., "macaroni pie" is what baked macaroni and cheese is called in Jamaica, where a lot of my neighbors hail from. The first time I was offered a plate during a fish-fry they were having, I thought I was getting something exotic. It was absolutely delicious, but it was good old mac n cheese. :)

                                                                                                      2. re: BobB

                                                                                                        Am I the only one who knows this by the name beefaroni? That was what my mom called it. My dad's mom called it Roman Holiday Casserole, but I don't think her version was true to whatever RHC was originally supposed to be.

                                                                                                        1. re: Wahooty

                                                                                                          No, you're not the only one - my mom called it that too. Dad just said "please don't make that stuff." :o

                                                                                                          1. re: truman

                                                                                                            In New England it's known in school cafeterias as American Chop Suey

                                                                                                            1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                              Which is where this subthread began.

                                                                                                            2. re: truman

                                                                                                              Aw...and here it will always hold a place in my heart as the first childhood comfort food I actually figured out on my own without asking Mom how to make it. Beef, onions, garlic, canned tomatoes, macaroni, chili powder, and some cheddar cheese. Simple and yummy, especially awesome when made on a campstove. Still love the stuff.

                                                                                                            3. re: Wahooty

                                                                                                              That's what my elementary school called it - beefaroni.

                                                                                                              1. re: seamunky

                                                                                                                Ha! I only ever think of "beefaroni" as that Chefboiardi monstrosity in cans!! And thanks to y'all's insistence on continuing to discuss it, :) I now have that TOTALLY obnoxious commercial earworm: "It's beef-aroni...
                                                                                                                beefaroni, beefoghetti, beefaroni, beefoghetti..they're both sooooo goooooooood!"
                                                                                                                Kill me now. :)

                                                                                                              2. re: Wahooty

                                                                                                                I first heard of 'beefaroni' on an episode of Seinfeld.


                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                  Actually, on "Seinfeld", they called it 'beefareeno', I presume to avoid trademark issues.

                                                                                                                  1. re: ricepad

                                                                                                                    You're right, of course. I read Beefaroni and hear Beefarino in my head. I've also seen giant cans of tuna at Costco, but have never purchased one.

                                                                                                                2. re: Wahooty

                                                                                                                  At "outdoor Ed" middle school sleep away camp field trip we ate beefaroni in the mess hall.

                                                                                                                3. re: BobB

                                                                                                                  In the cafeteria at the SUNY at Buffalo (many many years ago), it was called Macaroni Milanese.

                                                                                                                  1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                    American Chop Suey in high school cafeteria in NJ; but Mom made Johnny Marzetti using leftover meatloaf.

                                                                                                                    I wouldn't eat the ACS in high school; I would eat the Marzetti @ home. Go figure. :-)

                                                                                                                    1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                      They called that dish Beefaroni in my elementary school in Westchester, NY. As opposed to the similar but much nastier canned product.

                                                                                                                    2. According to my parents, who grew up in Toledo, whitefish is/was called pickerel. I have no other confirmation of this.

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                                                                                                                      1. re: mwhitmore

                                                                                                                        Hmm, are you sure about the whitefish? I believe that those around Erie, and up into Canada, seem to refer to Walleye as "Pickerel". Incorrect, of course, as they are not of the Pike family. I think of whitefish as something more northern, and of the trout or salmonid family.

                                                                                                                        1. re: Cheez62

                                                                                                                          When I was a kid we caught fish that the locals called pickerel in a lake here in Massachusetts. I have no idea whether they have other names. Pretty much all we had in the lake were sunfish, horned pout, and pickerel, and only the latter were edible.

                                                                                                                          1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                            Yes, and in New Hampshire we had pickerel in the lake as well as horn pout. Lake Naticook in Merrimack.

                                                                                                                            1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                              There is a fish that is common in that region called a "Chain Pickerel". It is a member of the pike family, and resembles a Northern Pike, though I think that they don't grow as large. I would think that, like a Northern, they are certainly edible, and even tasty, though they probably have the same "Y" bones that make filleting them a bit difficult.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Cheez62

                                                                                                                                In Minnesota, those 'Y' bones are often cut out and pickled, usually in northerns caught in the winter through the ice, especially if the walleye and perch are not biting.

                                                                                                                              2. re: BobB

                                                                                                                                Your horned pout are actually bullheads.

                                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                  Ah.. I had no idea what a horned pout was, but bullhead I know!

                                                                                                                                2. re: BobB

                                                                                                                                  In Wisconsin we love a nice catch of sunnies, dredged in flour and fried in a little oil/butter mix. I can't believe your sunfish were inedible!

                                                                                                                                  1. re: elegraph

                                                                                                                                    I was thinking the same thing. One of my fondest Grampa memories is of going out so, so early in the morning on his pontoon and catching a huge mess of sunnies and crappies and then taking the catch home to Gramma. Oh, what a breakfast that was: fish, prepared as you describe; scrambled eggs; the requisite toasted bagels/schmears, and a pan of potatoes fried w/ onions. It was only more delicious on mornings when Grampa would fry up the catch right there on shore and he and I would feast, him taking little nips off a flask of Slivovitz or some other schnapps.
                                                                                                                                    Thank you for inspiring the sweetest memory....

                                                                                                                                3. re: Cheez62

                                                                                                                                  Sorry, my memory failed me. It was walleye.

                                                                                                                              3. I am often accused of being born old. That wheeled contraption is still referred to by me as a shopping CARRIAGE which differentiates it from things such as baby or gun carriage......

                                                                                                                                1. Soft drinks are Cokes to this Alabama girl. What I call sprinkles, others call jimmies or hundreds and thousands.

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: Tara57

                                                                                                                                    I absolutely love the idea of calling sprinkles "hundreds and thousands" and now plan on baking with them this holiday season just so I can talk about the "hundreds and thousands." Thank you.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Harters

                                                                                                                                        And then you can put them on fairy cakes, right?

                                                                                                                                        So much more exotic than decorating cup cakes!

                                                                                                                                        1. re: 512window

                                                                                                                                          And fairy bread! Why didn't I grow up with fairy bread at birthday parties?


                                                                                                                                        2. re: Harters

                                                                                                                                          Looks like they also call them "Ice Cream Fancies"? I'd not heard of either fancies or hundreds and thousands. :-)


                                                                                                                                          1. re: Harters

                                                                                                                                            My mother called them hundreds and thousands. Her parents were from Ireland so now I know that 's probably why.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Harters

                                                                                                                                              Yes, they're 'hundreds and thousands' here in New Zealand too. The tiny, log-shaped chocolate sprinkles are 'chocolate hail'.

                                                                                                                                            2. re: Tara57

                                                                                                                                              Grew up in Baltimore where fizzy soft drinks also were often called "Cokes," regardless of the flavor or manufacturer, but also referred to as "soda." Have lived in the Midwest for 30+ years but still cannot bring myself to refer to them as "pop."

                                                                                                                                              1. re: masha

                                                                                                                                                I haven't noticed this in Baltimore but now I'll be on the lookout. It was quite frustrating to order a Sprite in Atlanta where everything is called Coke. "What kind of Coke do you want," uh "Sprite" always seemed weird to me.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                  If I am not mistaken Atlanta is the Coca Cola headquarters.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Motosport

                                                                                                                                                    Yes, hence the reference to everything as Coke

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                    Never saw this in MD growing up. Heard about it later as an adult about other regions.

                                                                                                                                                2. re: Tara57

                                                                                                                                                  I understand that Coke was invented in Georgia and has great influence in the southeast. But to imagine a scenario where a waitress comes to your table and asks "Whatt kind of Coke would you like?" And the the answer is "I'll have a Diet Dr. Pepper" just seems utterly ridiculous.

                                                                                                                                                  I have understood "Jimmies" to be the chocolate variety. "Sprinkles" were the multi-colored version.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                    It's happened to me everytime I've visited. What kind of coke do you want? Sprite. OK. It gives me chuckles.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                      I've lived in the South for 10 years, and still get ribbed when I say 'pop'. Y'all know it's all coke, doncha?

                                                                                                                                                      It's not so much waitresses who use the term, it's when you are at someone's home, "Y'all wanna coke? What kind?"
                                                                                                                                                      Though more often, the question would be, " Wouldja lak uh swee'tea?"

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: kitchengardengal

                                                                                                                                                        Ah just luv a good sway tay with some minna chayze and crackahs!

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                          What is minna? I figured out the rest.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                            Pimento cheese. Only onw of many wonderful things given to us by way of the south.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                              Dingding! suzigirl is of course right. Mmmmminnachayz, on best-quality white bread (one of the only sandwiches I prefer crustless) is a lil ole slice o' heaven.

                                                                                                                                                          2. re: kitchengardengal

                                                                                                                                                            Where I live 'sweet tea' is always referred to as 'iced tea'.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                              Really? In the northern 'burbs iced tea is automatically sweetened? Huh.

                                                                                                                                                            2. re: kitchengardengal

                                                                                                                                                              Yea, I have to specify, "well, yes, I'd love some tea but prefer it unsweetened" which is still usually called sweet tea if someone bothers to make an unsweetened version.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: kitchengardengal

                                                                                                                                                                " Wouldja lak uh swee'tea?" brings back my grad school memories of living in Middl' Joja. That and the whole "Y'all wanna coke? What kind?"

                                                                                                                                                              2. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                Indiana here. All soft drinks are called either "coke" or "pop".

                                                                                                                                                                Here's one: button or clicker? (yes, OT - for when watching food shows, right?)

                                                                                                                                                              3. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                Jimmies=sprinkles=shots (CT)

                                                                                                                                                                Must specify chocolate or rainbow for either.

                                                                                                                                                              4. re: Tara57

                                                                                                                                                                I say sprinkles, too, but somewhere I heard or read of them being called ants. Anyone?

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DebinIndiana

                                                                                                                                                                  Reminds me of the Richard Pryor routine about cockroaches/almonds in somebody's dressing.

                                                                                                                                                              5. Those little colored sugar bits in which one rolls an ice cream cone:

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                                                                                                                                                                1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                  Nope, the chocolate ones are jimmies, the colored ones are sprinkles. I'm guessing shots is regional (as I am sure my use of these terms is not ;)

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                    All the above are names by which I have heard the long ones called.

                                                                                                                                                                    My family was from NY and there they were called Sprinkles. We moved to CT in the early 1950s and the locals called them Shots. My sister moved to Massachusetts 40 years ago and there they were called Jimmies.

                                                                                                                                                                    These names applied to both chocolate and assorted colors....

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                      I call them all sprinkles. My mother's family from Philadelphia has declares the rainbow colored to be sprinkles and the chocolate are always jimmies. I didn't grow up there so was confused about jimmies for years.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                          In NYC we call them all "Sprinkles."

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                              What? I'm supposed to read the earlier posts?

                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Motosport

                                                                                                                                                                              I actually never heard the word "jimmies" until I moved to NYC. That seems to be the preferred term at the local ice cream shops and bakeries anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                        I thought the long ones were jimmies, the round ones were sprinkles ..

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: saltylady

                                                                                                                                                                          as posted below, these names all referred to the long ones.
                                                                                                                                                                          I've never seen an ice cream cone dipped in the round ones. The round ones sound like the coating on a chocolate candy nonpariel

                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                          On another note- I was working just this week with a preschool class on an art project requiring a lot of glitter and my co-project leader kept referring to that shiny stuff as "sprinkles". We all know what sprinkles are, and that's not it. Even the kids were looking at her with confusion.

                                                                                                                                                                        3. Casserole. And in my Illinois years, I might see plenty of casseroles at potlucks. In my SC years, I'd see those casseroles at covered dish suppers.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. I'm on the West coast.

                                                                                                                                                                            Cart (basket to me is the small one with handles you carry)
                                                                                                                                                                            Soda (pop to my Southern relatives)
                                                                                                                                                                            Sub (hoagie to my East coast relatives)
                                                                                                                                                                            Bell pepper (confused on this one since a mango is a mango & a bell pepper is a bell pepper)
                                                                                                                                                                            Dinner (supper to Southern relatives)
                                                                                                                                                                            Sucker usually but sometimes lollipop

                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, pie = dessert where I'm from

                                                                                                                                                                            Snacking/piecing. Interesting. Had not heard of piecing.

                                                                                                                                                                            I think I hit them all.

                                                                                                                                                                            A "granny cart" here, or at least in my experience, is a wire cart on wheels you pull behind you. Something you would own as opposed to belonging to the store.

                                                                                                                                                                            Not sure if this is regional or an individual peculiarity but my relatives in upstate New York always call hamburgers "hamburgs.")

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                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: browndogs2

                                                                                                                                                                              This isn't regional, but ever since a certain Simpsons episode, I refer to hamburgers as "steamed hams".

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: browndogs2

                                                                                                                                                                                Yay, another person who knows the term Granny Cart! I was feelin' so darn alone there for a minute!

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm in no way a Granny, but I love me a Granny Cart! No car + public transportation = lifesaver

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Ama658

                                                                                                                                                                                    Amen, sista! The transportation I have, for longer distances, but when it's just a quick store run it's me and granny all the way.

                                                                                                                                                                              2. I grew up near Toronto, Ontario. (pronounced Churonno)

                                                                                                                                                                                My list:

                                                                                                                                                                                red/green peppers (no one says 'bell')
                                                                                                                                                                                shopping cart (not even shortened to 'cart' in casual conversation)
                                                                                                                                                                                submarine (or sub, but not until the mid-90's)
                                                                                                                                                                                sucker and lollipop are interchangeable
                                                                                                                                                                                dinner or supper, depending on the household (I'm a dinner guy)
                                                                                                                                                                                buns (rolls are very small, served with dinner, and are for sopping up gravy rather than cutting in half to make a sandwich)
                                                                                                                                                                                Although older people say "chesterfields", we tend to buy "couches" from stores that advertise "sofas".
                                                                                                                                                                                American cheese is called processed cheese (or, more often, "process" cheese), while Canadian bacon is called back bacon or peameal bacon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: plasticanimal

                                                                                                                                                                                  what do you call 'american' style bacon?

                                                                                                                                                                                  my grandparents were chesterfield people. From the US midwest. No one else I knew ever called them that. There was a lady down the street that always talked about her Divan. Her daughter had to tell us what she meant.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm fairly certain shopping carts were "baskets" in the bay area when I grew up, but later changed to carts, as they have changed from Wagons to Carts in much of Hawaii in the past 40 years.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                    "what do you call 'american' style bacon?" : Cardiac Arrest ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                    BTW, it's not Churonno at least to us Wet Coasters. It's "Ta-ron-ta".

                                                                                                                                                                                    Sofa = couch. Nobody calls 'em chesterfields around here, unless you were born before 1940 or something.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Shopping carts are metal and with wheels. Costco-sized ones are more akin to SUVs IMO.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Baskets are what you hang on to with your hand.

                                                                                                                                                                                    American cheese = processed cheese slices. But may include Velveeta or Cheeze Whiz.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Buns = dinner buns = tray buns. Small 'uns you put butter on and eaten at dinner/supper, esp. if there's soup being served. Anything bigger than buns and are suitable for making sandwiches etc. are generally referred to as "[something] rolls" (ie: Kaiser, Portuguese, flour, brioche, Italian, bap, cob).

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                      We call bacon bacon, just like our US cousins. Bacon is universal. Mmmm, bacon. We just don't call back bacon "Canadian".

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                        I just nearly sprayed my morning coffee from laughter :-D

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks Mamachef !

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: plasticanimal

                                                                                                                                                                                        And who can forget davenports? We mustn't forget them.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: suzigirl

                                                                                                                                                                                          My best friend's family used the word 'davenport'. I always thought it was because the mom was British.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                            My grandmother and her 2 sisters were first generation from Canterbury, England. All definitions are what I remember and have nothing to do with reality. I did not Google these.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Chesterfield: An ornate, exotic wood made to seat at least three with ease, without a center leg. Placed in the parlor and not to be used by family.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Divan: Had a center leg to hold up the span. Middle eastern motif. Some times northern India. Family could sit on it if they were entertaining somebody. Also a round stuffed seating arrangement found in the public areas of hotels.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Davenport: What we called the three seater with cushions. Usually on an enclosed or covered porch. Also known as gliders.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Sofa: Cloth covered with a plastic or sheet used to protect it. Usually found in a living room. Great for a snooze.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Love seat: Short sofa designed so that two teenagers can not get horizontal with ease or comfort. Usually found in front of the TV or down in the basement.

                                                                                                                                                                                            And to keep this in the food area, How did curried chicken served on rice in the Carolinas ever get christened with the name Country Captain?

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm going to extrapolate here, because I've heard many many versions, but it would seem reasonable that the Captain referred to was also a gentleman farmer, who on his travels picked up the spices neccessary to the dish and had his cooks use them in classic stewed chicken.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                                                                                                                                                                My grandmother had plastic on her living room sofa. She also didn't have AC for a long time. If you fell asleep on her couch and it was at all warm, or course you woke up with the plastic sticking to you. My brother and his wife used that couch, minus the plastic, for many years after grandma died.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I grew up with an awareness of the word "davenport", but we said couch or sofa.

                                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: suzigirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                There is a Davenport Road in Tranna. It is one of those roads that followed the lay of the land rather than being straight, and was an old Native trail. (In Montréal, these are called "Côtes").

                                                                                                                                                                                              4. re: plasticanimal

                                                                                                                                                                                                My cousins live in Churonno. As a kid I thought that we were going to Toronto, and then my folks made a mistake because all the relatives said Churonno. I figured they were cities near each other or something. I still remember my older bully of a cousin hitting me years later when I said he was a moron because he couldn't even pronounce the name of his city properly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: plasticanimal

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am from Toronto (Turonno) and agree with all of the above!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I would say 'couch' is the most popular term, but you often hear 'sofa' and definitely as a kid we called it a 'chesterfield'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Baltimore: Lake Trout = Whiting.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Isn't rockfish also known by another name outside of MD?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Rockfish is often incorrectly sold as red snapper. There are no true snapper on the west coast. Not sure if this is what you meant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Striped Bass = Stripers = Rockfish, at least along the Outer Banks, where I fish when I am fortunate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Cheez62

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think this is what I was thinking of.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Rockfish was the town next to Walton's Mountain.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. It took me a few years of living in Georgia before I finally figured out what 'English peas' were.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I still refuse to call them that.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I grew up with sweet peas or garden peas. Really, just peas.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Just got an email from food.com saying it's National Frappe Day, and putting the popularization of it to the Fifties at an international fair. They refer to the ice mixture, not surprisingly. But I recall during my 6 months or so in western Massachusetts that they talked about fraps (as it was pronounced there) and it was what we'd now call a shake. (But I knew milkshakes as considerably thinner than a malt, but that's another story.) And there was something called...maybe a cabinet? Whazzat?

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Whiting - oh, my. In St. Louis, they're called jack salmon and there's a thread on here somewhere about that - I think nomenclature and availability around DC. I happen to like them, and discovered as a kid that I really could bone a fish pretty easily with a knife and fork.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: lemons

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yep. Cabinets exist, and they are what I know as a milkshake, which (at least here) is milk blended with ice cream, not the milkshake of milk blended w/ just syrup. Now, let's talk about "Cements."

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Are you talking about concretes? The really thick shakes that get handed to the customer upside down? And the inspiration for the Dairy Queen Blizzard? I'm in STL and ZI know them well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I believe cabinets are a Rhode Island term for milkshakes or frappes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: lemons

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, I remember when I moved to Boston being told that what is elsewhere a milkshake is called a frap (or frappe, not sure of the spelling) in Boston. But if you ordered a milkshake, you got flavored milk with no ice cream.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mwhitmore

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In Québec, those concoctions are laits frappés.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. String beans = green beans. They were always string beans to me, when I journeyed to college the mention of string brand met stares.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I still get stares when I mention string beans!! And then the inevitable question, "why do you call it that?" And then the explanation, whichever is right: that the strings pertain to the shape of the beans themselves, or is it the string you pull from it to make it cooking-ready?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I used to refer tho them as string beans. The strings seem to have been bred out of most commercially grown beans, so now I refer as green beans, Although sometimes I slip up!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Leslie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thats my understanding. Grandpop grew the old fashioned kind in the back yard. Part of getting ready for dinner was snapping off the end of the bean and pulling the "string" off as you snapped. then you turned the bean around and snapped off the other end, sometimes the other side had a string, sometimes not. Tedious and time consuming, especially if Grandma was cooking for the "whole family". Of course she would then put them on to boil (yes boil, not simmer or steam) for an hour or so, turning these really beautiful beans into olive drab cylinders of questionable taste and nutritional value. She caught my brother and I snacking on the raw beans (rinsed first) and about hit the ceiling. She was sure it was going to kill us. Told our parents about it, told the neighbors about it, told the grocer about it, told her doctor about it. She could not understand why no one batted an eye. Clearly raw vegetables were virtual poison in her mind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ha. Once while visiting my grandparents, I went down to the "truck patch" (?) and picked some SLENDER green beans. That was my first crime. Next, I snapped off only the stem end. Crime number two. Then, I steamed them for a few minutes and dished them up with a bit of salt and butter. Now, my grandmother knew FOR SURE that those beans would MAKE ME SICK.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I bet they were delicious, and you lived to tell the tale!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. When I was growing up, my family called pasta "macaroni". Shells, linguine, rigatoni---it was all macaroni.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Rita: Pick up some macaroni for Sunday
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Al: What kind?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Rita: Get the medium shells.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I never heard the term "penne" until my 20's, in a restaurant--we would have called that shape mostaccioli or a kind of ziti.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  PS Largely Italian American family, Boston area.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My friends in Barcelona also seem to use macaroni as the general term for pasta.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Growing up in small town Illinois (with south side Chicago dad and Brooklyn mom), we had spaghetti and macaroni. Rarely did we use another kind of pasta, but I seem to recall others being known as fancy pasta (shells) or tubes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Right, right, right. And, sauce was red tomato sauce whether it was marinara or another version. Ragù is any meat based sauce. We throw the macaroni, then toss it in the sauce. (Put the macaroni in salted boiling water to cook, drain, then into the sauce it goes to coat with the sauce before serving.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            No answer for you KalmukiMan. I was simply referring to the terminology.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I know people who call all pasta "spaghetti".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Pasta is the newfangled term, brought to us by kids who spent their junior year of college in Italy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Or was that newfangled term brought home by GIs returning from WWII???? It's all in your perspective and which branch of the River of Time you're wading in! '-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                According to Google ngram (based on a search in their database of scanned publications), 'pasta', started to climb in usage in 1940, but really didn't get going until 1970. It climbs above 'macaroni' in 1975.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In CT we called all pasta macaroni too! But it was only the Italian American side that did this. The WASCy (catholic not Protestant) relatives did not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. Casserole
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pop (Michigan represent!)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bell peppers interchangeable with red and green peppers
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ditto string beans and green beans
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Cart and basket are two different things. As in "do we need a cart or just a basket for the amount of stuff we're getting?"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Subs are the usual, although certain restaurants offer subs, hoagies AND grinders, which are all different things.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hardly anyone says relish tray anymore, which I find sad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My maternal grandmother was a font of crazy or old-fashioned words. Goulash was slumgulion. Shopping cart was a buggy. Couch was a davenport, sometimes corrupted to davenperp. Umbrella was a bumbershoot. Lunchbox was a dinner pail. There are literally hundreds more of her words that creep into my vocab and for which I get strange looks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: charlesbois

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I heard "lunch bucket" often when I was a kid.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: LotusRapper

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Grandma says lunch pail.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Other Grandma called the living room the parlor. Not sure what she called the "family room" but both rooms had a TV.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We always said lunch box even if it was a bag.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      and some people talk about 'brown bagging' while others talk about a "sack lunch." i suppose originally a sack lunch was in a cloth sack, and later a paper sack that is more commonly referred to (at least in most of the US) as a paper bag.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I read somewhere that it's a midwest thing, but in Minnesota, 'paper sack' and 'paper bag' are used interchangeably.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I got "made" in a NYC bakery 20 years ago when I asked for a "sack" for my second cookie, and the clerk was so taken by my use that he asked where I was from.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But should we discuss a "tow sack"? Anyone recognize what that is?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: lemons

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm too far north to have known that term. I'm not certain I really wish to discuss the various types of 'sacks'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Do you know how much Pepsi hurts when you spray it out your nose?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                somehow i feel i'm missing something here - and i'm guessing i'm better off not understanding. mamachef obviously got it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Braaaaaaaaaahahahaha! Obviously, mamachef has a dirtygirl mind!! Perhaps you are better off knowing, but in the spirit of sharing, let me just say: b*ll sack. Though it could have just as easily been a hacky-sack, but that sure wasn't my first thought. :) Me so shames.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyone just love Rocky Mountain Oysters?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well, apparently there goes my level of worldliness! When lemons wrote about being "made" in a NY bakery for asking for a sack for her cookie, I lept to the conclusion that it was all about sexual innuendo....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "Made" as in "identified" . But there are sacks and sacs, so to speak; I can see how it might happen....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Illinois roots (northern Illinois)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Brown bags--the actual brown paper bag bag, whatever its size
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sack lunch--a lunch carried in a small brown bag

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Calling a sack lunch a "brown bag" comes from the years of the great Depression, when American mothers would save every brown paper bag (plastic shopping bags had not yet been invented) from the grocery store they could get their hands on to pack their husband's and children's lunches in, because metal lunch pails were unavailable since all metals were going to the war effort.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Brown bagging" was originally a humiliating experience simply because it showed the world you were poor. Then, with WWII's rationing, it suddenly became fashionable and chic because it proved you were doing your share toward the war effort.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There's a chain of sandwich take-out restaurants in the western U.S. called "Brown Bag". I miss them here in Dallas because they made Subway seem like a dried crust specialty shop!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Caroline....you seem to be confusing your decades. The Graet Depression was the 1930s (following the stock market crash on Fall 1929. The US didn't enter WWII until December 1941 and metal went for the war effirt starting in 1942.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                There was no problem getting metal lunch pails/bozes in the Great Depression. The problem was either: 1. there was no food to fill them for school lunches, or 2. Dad had no job to go to taking a lunch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Furthermore, back in the 1930s most grocery stores were not self service and few things were packed in brown paper bags. A customer was far more likely to have their order 'put up' in a wooden box (think fruit crate) or tied up with twine. I'm only oushing 60, but I remember when bakeries and pizza places simply wrapped the item in paper and tied it with twine. No expensive speacialty boxes or bags.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I remember when I was a kid and buying shoes, the salesman would tie the shoebox shut with cotton string. We didn't have a pizza place in my small town back then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Growing up, my father had 15 clothing and shoe stores (he sold them off in 1976 when I was already out of college). Under each cash register was a cone of white cotton twine that looped up through an eye hook screwed into the side of the shelf. Every box of shoes, as well as dress or suit boxes were simply tied tied with twine. We never bagged a shoebox. It was not unusual to tie a 4 high stack of shoe boxes and then attach a handle made out of a cardbard tube with a piece of wire running through that hooked onto the string for easy carrying.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    String might cost 1cent to tie a box and a 'queen size' shopping bag that could fit a shoe box cost 20-25 cents.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's almost 40 years later and I still have part of a case of string cones in my basement. I use the string in the kitchen for tying roasts and trussing chickens/turkeys

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was a kid in 1976, but I still remember when the old time department store in my hometown burned down on Easter Sunday. We were on our way to the sunrise service and the two story building was up in flames. It was on the end of our mainstreet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I remember the string coming right out of the counter at that store, but the cash register was not there. It was up at the top floor (the main shopping area was open to the second floor offices). There were wires going up there and some sort of metal tube would get shot up that wire to the cash room upstairs. I thought it was really cool. I remember the old man who owned the store, Abe Silverberg (the store was called Silverberg's) he was in his 80s and his father opened the store in the 1880s.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      There was another locally owned clothing and shoe store down the street called Wolff's. They had a pnuematic tube system like at a bank drive through to send the money upstairs. Levi Wolff opened the store around 1900 and his son Robert finally closed it sometime in the 1980s.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The other store downtown was a J.C. Penney's also had a pneumatic tube system for the cash. I've never seen another store do something like that and there were three stores in my small hometown to have them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My father pulled out the tube systems about 1965. I was working for another retailer in 1972 when they installed such a system due to too much employee theft from registers in the departments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I suppose at some point it got more expensive to pay someone to sit upstairs and handle the money than the shortages at the register. I also suppose that by the time I was out and shopping in other towns as a young adult, all of those types of remote cash registers were pulled from service.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I remember being disappointed when my brothers got to get their back to school clothes at the men's store down the street and I stiil had to go to Wolff's. I was a scrawny kid and I think I was a "20 slim" for several years.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Actually, the tube systems disappeared, not as a cost savings, but in response to self service shopping. Merchandise was more likely to be on display where customers could pick it up, as opposed to behind a counter or in a drawer and a salesperson had to be asked for the item. Customers would gather items throughout the store and go to a central sales dek to pay. Commission salespeople disappeared from most stores (except in ladie's shoes, jewelry, furniture) and a ticket didn't have to be made out for each item a customer chose so the employee could make his/her commission.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Finally, in response to the shopping experience at the mass merchandisers, who proliferated after WWII, customers had a sense of urgency, they pcicke the item, eante dto pay and be on their way. A visit to the grocery store was to get food and get out. No sitting around the cracker barrel and catching up on local gossip.........................

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The stores I described were are self-service with sales staff on hand to help make the sale of course. The shoe section was always staffed, unlike at Kohl's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                PBS is showing a BBC drama series, The Paradise, based in an 1875 department store


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                once when i was young i happened to end up with a crotchety cashier. i was buying socks. She informed me "This is a department store young man, and you are in the WRONG department. now go back to menswear where you belong." While going back to the (unoccupied) cashier station in menswear a guy in a suit asked if i found everything i needed. I told him i found everything except the right cashier, and explained. Turns out he was the store manager, and he was none to pleased with the cashier who declined my purchase, as she had been asked to cover both departments for a couple of hours. Apparently she felt it had been an unfair request. Shopping has changed a lot since then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sounds like you met Mrs. Slocombe and Captain Peacock.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    and he definitely wasn't being served..........................

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          bagel01 - I know those handles from my days in shipping. I liked them. pack up an awkward box or boxes and they were much better than an improvised handle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: bagelman01


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        you and i are just about the same age, with 60 just coming into view over the brim of the hill. I think some of it depended on where you lived. my grandmother and mother talked about the neighborhood market up the block that was self-serve during the 30s and 40s, although they would also fill your order for you. The feeling was that people preferred to pick out their own fruit and vegetables (oh those Californians) These often went in separate packages (brown bags) before being put in a larger bag or box depending on your preference, a bag being easier for some to carry down the street than a box. After all, even if you had a car, who would drive a block and a half to get to the store unless it was raining? The same at the butcher shop a couple of blocks further away. And yes, after you selected the cuts you wanted and had it either trimmed or ground, it was wrapped up in butcher paper and tied with a string.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Even I remember butcher paper, although by the time I grew up butcher shops were becoming rarer and your meat was cut at the market. Of course there was pre-packaged meat but a lot of people preferred custom cuts - who knows how long that precut stuff had been sitting in the display cabinet, wrapped even then in plastic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm guessing before the war brown bags were shameful because it meant that there wasn't money to buy new lunch pails/lunch boxes. Or that since kids are notoriously hard on such things (I don't remember mine from the 60's ever lasting a full semester, much less a whole school year.) And did anyone have a thermos that made it till thanksgiving or even halloween? Mom made it clear, we got ONE lunch box per year. If it lasted two weeks, it lasted two weeks, if it lasted three months, great. And after about 4th grade we gave up on lunchboxes altogether, those were for little kids.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And somehow this got tagged to the end of your last comment, instead of your reply to caroline. And yes, I'm old enough to remember when people predominantly used cash in whatever store they were in, although each big department store had its own Charge Card, and a few places took American Express. Of course American Express was mostly for people on expense accounts, and they also issued travelers checks so you had "safe" money when you traveled.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Until about 1960 virtually all our groceries and meats were delivered to the house. Groceries in a carton. The butcher would come in the kitchen door and put the order directly in the refrigerator. Fruits and vegetables were bought from the fruit man's truck as was fish from the fish man who made twice weekly visits to the neighborhood. Mom didn't start shopping in a supermarket until 1964 and used a butcher until last year when she went into a nursing home

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I remember my dad talking about the 'coffee man' coming on Saturday mornings. My dad's family were pretty self-sufficient, even while living in an urban environment. But when my grandmother needed to go to the grocery store, she pushed a wheel barrow the three blocks to the store. She did this until about 1960.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My dad worked at a self-serve grocery store in the '40s. He said the grocery carts were made out of cardboard with wooden wheels. All of the steel was going to the war effort.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was sometimes envious of the kids who got to bring a lunch box to school. Looking back, about 30% of the school lunch menu I absolutely hated. Of course there was no way my mom was going to let me bring lunch, that was extra work for her and I needed to learn how to not be a picky eater.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                When I was in elementary school in the late 50s and early 60s, I lived in a city and all schools were neighborhood schools. Everyone walked to school, no school buses, AND it was 4 trips a day. We had 90 minutes to walk home have lunch and walk back to school, including the wintry snowy New England days. By the time I was in 3rd grade, mom had gone back to teaching school, so I went to a restaurant every day for lunch. No one had a lunchbox.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                By Junior High, kids would have been embarraseed to bring a lunchbox, so it was spend 35 cents for a full meal at school or brown bag it. In High School, we all cut out to eat in restaurants, the cafeteria was a ghost town.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Interesting about the high school restaurant lunch thing. I grew up in a little town in MO and many of us would walk four blocks to the main street and buy 10 cent hamburgers. Even in those days, that was cheap compared to the probably 25 cent ones at the regular places in the slightly-less-little towns nearby where our parents would go. It took, of course, several to fill us up, Cafeteria was not quite a ghost town - I think this was probably an economic differentiation, in retrospect. t I don't recall kids in the nearby towns doing anything like it; it seemed to be a Desloge thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    All the way through high school we had a 'closed campus' no one left from 8:15 - 3:15. Even the teachers had to get permission slips to go out the gate. about half the students ate cafeteria food, the other half brought home lunch, sometimes called brown bagging.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Campus was wide open. School started at 8:15. Scheduled smoking break at 10:10-10:25. Lunch started at 11:30 and classes could end anywhere between 1PM and 2:15PM depending how many you signed up for,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Since one had to go out of doors to change classes, even in New England snowstorms and the gym/pool were in a separate building it was easy to leave for food runs/lunch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      By 11th grade, we even were able to order Pizza and Chinese food deliveries to the school if we didn't want to go out in bad weather. From the time I was 16 I drove to school everyday so I would just get in the car and go eat lunch where I wanted. School was two blocks from downtown, so there were lots of choices. In less than a 5 minute drive I could be on Wooster Street having APIZZA at Pepe's (Sally's doesn't do lunch).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I remember bakeries and butchers tying stuff up with string. In the bakeries the women had a ring they wore that had a small knife edge to cut the string. the butchers hands were so tough and calloused they could just break it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                3. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  '-) Lemme 'splain something....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Time flows in ONE direction. History books may heavily delineate segments of time by specific indicators such as "World War II" and "The Great Depression", but the fact is that on the daily-life continuum of time, such "events" flow smoothly (or not so smoothely when you are personally having a rough time) with the end result that the conflict in our culture (U.S.A.) that you're dumped right down into the middle of when you live through these times is:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. During the Great Depression, there was a plethora of goods to buy, but for the average American, the budgetary impact of "The Great Depression" AND "The Dust Bowl" (documentaries on these segments of American history have been well covered in special series on both PBS and The Discovery Channel, and many are available on such sites as Netflix and Hulu, not to mention youtuber.com) meant that there was no money to buy them with. It was during this era that carrying a brown bag lunch to school (or to work for factory workers) was interpreted as a mark of poverty, and "brown bagger" became a derogatory term.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. America was still in the recovery phase of The Great Depression when Pearl Harbor was bombed on Decemnber 7th, 1941. More than any other factor, THAT sshoved the U.S. into WWII, and also put an end to The Great Depression. BUT... Because of the restrictions that rationing programs AND withdrawals of products because of government regulations reserving ALL materials essential to the war effort, during the years of WWII that the U.S. was a participant (Dec 1941 through August 1945, and yes, I am aware that many may consider May, 1945 as the "end" of WWII, when Germany surrendered to the allies, but the fact is the fighting kept on until Japan surrendered, and while many (most?) European countries were unable to participate, member countries of the British Commonwealth such as Australia, did continue to participate, if memory serves me.). The END result of this situation was that while massive enlistmen of American males in the armed forces in conjunction with MASSIVE numbers of American women joining the work force, both to fill the jobs left vacant by the men who had gone to war in addition to filling jobs in American "war plants" (Rosie, the Riveter era) the situation that existed at the height of The Great Depression was now a POLAR OPPOSITE! People had lots of money, but there was nothing available to buy with it, hence a huge Black Market came into being in the U.S.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So nooooooooooooooooooooo... Caroline is NOT confusing her decades at all. It's just that Caroline is no longer young enough to think oh this period of World History in nicely tied up sterile chapters in a history book that don't relate to each other.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You should be far more cautious when explaining to an 80 year old what things were like in the 1930s!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    HA! and you point out that history can't easily be quantified and told in a linear fashion. it takes skill, but some of the histories I've read tell the same period 3-4 times from different aspects and points of view and then try to reconcile how all these disparate yet conjoined threads reconcile.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    so in an ideal world IMHO it's not A then B then C but rather A.1, 2 and 3; B.1,2 and 3; C.1,2 and 3; then D that shows the interrelations.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (OK I was never good at the tabulation of outlines - main subject and subset and all, but I hope the idea is sort of clear)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On Google Ngram, 'brown bagger' rarely occurs (in print) before 1960.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A 1964 reference is a Naval Almanac, which defines:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Brown bagger - slang for a married man; derived from paper bag used by shore duty personnel for carrying lunch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Other references are to commuter students.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't see anything that focuses on poverty, just the fact that one is bring his own lunch to work or school, as opposed to eating at the institution's facility, or at fast food places. It can even have a note of approval, as an indication of one's dedication to the job or studies (eating while working, as opposed to taking a long lunch outside of the office).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ", you are a brown bagger (even if you carry a lunchbox instead of the bag). The adjective describes anything characteristic, including a brown-bag lunch or a brown-bag attitude toward work, saving money, and the like"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      brown bag, n.; brown-bag, v., whence brown-bagger. Hard work, with no social or sporting life; to live this sort of life; one who does it: Imperial College, London (—1940).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Of course the term could have been used as derogatory term without appearing in print.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Recently some Seattle city HR guy suggested that using the term 'brown bag' (usually in reference to a noon time meeting) was potentially an offensive term. That left a lot of news reporters and bloggers scratching their heads.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      'lunch box' peaked in frequency about 1945

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Lunch Box Goes To Work For Victory
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        WW2 brochure on why and how to pack a lunch box (or bag) to help step up war production.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Growing up, Texas coast below Houston, 40s-50s, I took lunch to school up until the 6th grade - there was no cafeteria for the lower grades and you ate at your desk except for a few times a year when you might go outside and have a ‘picnic.’ Younger kids might have a decorated lunch box with cartoon characters or cowboys but I only remember sack lunches, carried in a brown paper bag but I never heard the term brown bag lunch - they were sack lunches.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sandwiches were individually wrapped in waxed paper, carefully folded like a Christmas present, up until pre-fab waxed paper sandwich baggies came along.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My dad had a lunch box like the Truman one pictured in Wiki ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunch_box ) for years. He carried a lunch most days to work at Dow Chemical, unless he knew and liked what was on the menu in the company cafeteria. I had one of those at one time, too, but there was a problem with where to store them since younger kids didn’t have lockers. That was used more during the winter when you might carry soup or cocoa in the thermos.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My mom took a sack lunch, and usually a very skimpy one, to her job at Ethyl Dow where there wasn’t a company cafeteria.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was never aware of any connotation of being poor associated with bringing a sack lunch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      There is a small, locally owned chain of Brown Bag Delis here, not the most expensive sandwich shops in town but in ‘better’ neighborhoods.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: brucesw

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just reading your experience invokes visions/memories of simpler, better bygone days........

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: brucesw

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          When I was growing up, a paper bag was a "sack" and a plastic bag was a "bag" and a handbag was a "purse".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't know why I missed your post earlier (sandy's reply made me look for yours). My paternal grandparents in the Twin Cities had a living room, dining room, kitchen with a kitchen table, and a basement family room type room with a fireplace. They had televisions in all three locations, but the only room with a color TV was the living room, complete with a plastic covered couch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. hot dog / frankfurter / red-hot / wiener / weenie / and my personal favorite... tube steak

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: lisavf


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sometimes hot dog. Must have top split NE style rolls and natural casings or we aren't interested.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: pine time

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        In central NY, coneys are more like weisswurst, not hot dogs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: sr44

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Are you talking about what are called "White Hots" further upstate? I do love a good Zweigle's white hot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: JungMann

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Research needed! I'll get back to you. Zweigle is not a familiar brand, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: sr44

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Zweigle is a Rochester brand, and their white hots are now labeled just "white." I don't know if their recipe changed with the name. (By the way, they take mail orders.) Hoffman is the Syracuse maker of coneys and their own version of white hots. I'm not sure what the difference is yet, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: pine time

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          For this Cincinnatian, a "coney" is with chili, cheese, and optional diced onion.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Just plain, it's a "hot dog".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: OhioHound

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            In Minnesota, coney island, coney dog, and chili dog all seem to get used. My parent's lived in Michigan early in their marriage, so I grew up calling them coney island's, but the meat sauce was just referred to as coney sauce.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Whatever you do, never order a chili dog in Chicago. The chili is watery and includes beans.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. In NYC it's a Hero sandwich, otherwise a grinder, hoagie, submarine..................

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. In NYC carbonated fountain drinks are called soda. Otherwise, pop..............
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        While travelling in the Midwest I asked what kind of soda a restaurant had. The server gave me a run down of all of the ice cream sodas they had.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        When I asked for a root beer she said: "You want a pop!"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Motosport

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          In Quebec (at least), it's a soft drink. Anywhere else?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Motosport

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            In New Zealand carbonated drinks are often called "fizzy drinks" or a "fizzy". We use the word "lemonade" to refer to any lemon-flavoured commercial fizzy drink because real lemonade (i.e. lemon juice, sugar, water) isn't common at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. another one that came to mind

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            St. John's Bread
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Buchser (Yiddish)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            eaten on the Jewish New Years for trees-TU B'shevat

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. They might be different things, but sweet potatoes don't exist in my family - they are yams despite never actually being yams, and only referred to as sweet potatoes in pie form. Always baffled my mind.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                our family was essentially the opposite. they were all sweet potatoes. never mind the can (yes, i admit it), the can said yams. mom or grandma would ask to grab the sweet potatoes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As the new boss, my folk wanted to test me. Yams are tubers and sweet potatoes are fruit that mature underground. Like peanuts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Many thanks to my secretary who warned me in advance so I could do the research. That is loyalty to the new boss. Yes she got a great rating when I left.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. I'm in SW Ontario, Canada. Around here it's

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                *grocery store (never supermarket)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                *shop with a cart (unless you carry a provided plastic bin-- that's a basket)



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                *dinner or supper (interchangeable)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                *couch (although on furniture advertising you will hear sofa; nobody I know in real life says this, and older people still say chesterfield)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                *Processed cheese (as opposed to "American cheese"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                and the macaroni that comes in the blue box is called "Kraft Dinner", or KD for short.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Blush

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  sofa---formal, as in living room sofa. not for everyday use, often covered custom plastic covers--see the Everybody Loves Raymond episode


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  couch-casual furniture, as in den couch

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chesterfield--in the USA-a men's long tailored overcoat with a velvet collar---or a brand of cigarettes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Blush

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have learned that 'Kraft Dinner' is pretty much a Canadian term. It was always macaroni and cheese in the U.S., whether homemade or Kraft. I was out of high school before I ever heard of Kraft Macaroni & Cheese. My mother never blught it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't believe that applies across the board (or Canada). "Kraft Dinner" is akin to saying "Kleenex" which can (but not always) just generically imply soft tissues, not necessarily Kleenex the brand per se. Well, out West here I hear Mac & Cheese as the rule, maybe some folks will be more specific to say Kraft Dinner but I don't hear it as generically implying M&C.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LotusRapper

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        How is Kraft Dinner like saying Kleenix? If you are referring to Canada, I think you are making my point. My point alse includes the fact that neither KD nor Kraft Dinner are terms used in the U.S

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          John, the fact that KD and Kraft Dinner are not terms generally used in the US is the reason I mentioned them in this thread. They seem to be specific to Canada, even in advertising. The tagline these days is, "Gotta be KD!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Blush

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, we're in agreement on that. I learned about KD while watching Top Chef Canada and they had a KD Quick Fire. Until that time, I did not realize it such a beloved product in Canada, so much so that it has it's own name distinct from the U.S. version of what I assume is the same product.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        KD simply refers to that specific brand: Kraft Dinner. If we're talking homemade, then it's referred to as "Macaroni and Cheese" or specifically in my family, "Homemade Macaroni".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Blush

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          In our group in Toronto (or churahnnah) we call all boxed, regardless of brand, kd. Homemade is mac and cheese, or macaroni and cheese.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LexiFirefly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When President's Choice White Cheddar Macaroni and Cheese came on the scene in the early 90's, we had to differentiate. It felt gourmet to our teenage selves!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I also remember babysitting some kids who insisted on "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle" packaged m&c. It was vile.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Blush

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              We still call the pc mac and cheese kd, but I was a kid when it came out. It's my fav.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Blush

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ah, that got me thinking of Barenaked Ladies' song "If I Had a Million Dollars":

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "If I had a million dollars
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                We wouldn’t have to eat Kraft dinner
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But we would eat Kraft dinner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Of course we would, we’d just eat more
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And buy really expensive ketchups with it
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That’s right, all the fanciest Dijon ketchups"


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: LotusRapper

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I KNEW I liked you, Lotus Rapper. Knowing from "Donderbeh" was the first prop, but this is the cherry on the sundae. Grazie for the smiles.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Likewise, "Betty" ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When you said Donderbeh I envisioned a guy at the dentist with his mouth shoved full of cotton pads when the dentist asks him: "So where you from, eh ?" ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Blush

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I just remembered this one-grocery store vs supermarket. My mom and her family from Philadelphia as well as my dad's DC call it a supermarket. Somehow I learned to call it a grocery store.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You probably never shopped at an older style grocery, one that didn't have carts and self serve. The distinction between 'grocery' and 'supermarket' isn't significant anymore.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            In the late 1950s in a South American capitol city, the first store modeled on the USA self serve market was called 'El Supermercado'. Otherwise people bought groceries at public markets, or in European style 'delis'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. I'm from the North Side of Chicago near Lincoln Square where goulash still refers to a paprika-laced stew from Hungary. My friends from the South Side, however, use the word to refer to any manner of ingredients thrown together, usually including ground meat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My hometown was also teeming with corner stores where one could pick up anything from ice cream and lottery tickets to dish washing soap and malt liquor. In my new Manhattan home, one heads to the deli or the bodega, depending on one's proximity to trendiness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Also: it's a water fountain, not a bubbler.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: JungMann

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            yep - a water fountain is what it is. I thnk of a bubbler as anything that dispenses either soda/pop/sodapop/coke/soda pop/flavored fizzy water/fortwocentsplain/ - charged, not flat water.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Soda fountain. Bubbler, that just reminds me of a park fountain or something or really just makes me think if blubber.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I am quite familiar with the corner store, random hole in the wall stores.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Have not heard bubbler in more than 50 years. That's what the old maid teachers in elementary school called the white porcelain troughs in the hallways where we could get a drink of water, and also the aluminum contraptions that attached to the outside spigot on the side of the house.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bubblers worked on the water pressure in the line. No electrical assist and no refrigeration.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                A water fountain usually contained a motor and/or refrigeration and was much more sophisticated than a bubbler.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And to further confuse things a bit more, I call a bubbler the airator in a fishtank.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: suzigirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LOLOL. I call it, "that thing that keeps the fish alive. " :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: suzigirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Food? You mean what I call "their nutrition?" Baaaaaaahahahahahahaha!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: JungMann

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I grew up in Los Angeles which did have bodegas - AKA bars. Which confused me when I moved to NYC and found that what I would have called corner stores, delis, or tiendas were bodegas.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In Detroit last time I was there they were called party stores.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Two more : a friend from Montana who confused me no end until I figured out that when he was offering to help "pack" something he was offering to help to carry it. Finally I understood how pack rats got their name.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My best friend grew up in Montreal and still refers to the porch, especially a front porch, as the "gallery." Clearly that's from the French word.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    No, no, bodega means storeroom or warehouse! OK, that's more the usage in Ecuador (and possibly other parts of Latin America).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Party stores and bars? We can't even buy anything stronger than malt liquor and Chateau Diane in our bodegas in New York! And they say NYC has it all...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: JungMann

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        blame the residual Puritan effect.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        sure you can drink in a bar almost 24-7 in NYC but god forbid...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: ratgirlagogo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Lots of Mtl anglophones use the French term "gallery", as well as a "dep" (dépanneur) for a corner shop or convenience store.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        For me, a "bodega" is a wine cellar (commercial, not home) and I'd always heard it in reference to sort of pub-restaurants or wine bars with at least some (prepared) food. I was surprised by the NYC use.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: lagatta

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Supposedly 'bodega' can be traced to the Latin for apothecary. Seems the use in Spain is mainly for wine cellar, as you say, but also a commercial warehouse. ZIt also means the hold or storeroom of a ship (and by extension airplanes and vehicles).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Applying it to a establishment that serves wine along with food would be an extension of the wine storeroom use. I wouldn't regard a California 'wine bodega' as an authentic use for the term, since the California wine industry does not have Spanish or Mexican roots.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I suspect the NY use comes from Puerto Rican use. At least they have been the earliest and largest Spanish speaking community. But I don't enough of PR usage to be sure about that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think it is a fair assumption that the word bodega was introduced to NYC by either the Puerto Rican or Dominican community. Their version of Spanish is dominant enough that I see even Mexican vendors selling "patelito" instead of pastelitos or, the more common appellation, empanadas.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: JungMann

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "I think it is a fair assumption that the word bodega was introduced to NYC by either the Puerto Rican or Dominican community."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's my assumption too, although I don't know if it's true. What do they call these things in Cuba?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "I wouldn't regard a California 'wine bodega' as an authentic use for the term, since the California wine industry does not have Spanish or Mexican roots"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No argument there. The Los Angeles bodegas I was referring to were straight-up bars and served beer more than anything else. Spanish corner groceries were tiendas. In Northern Mexico a bodega was a bar but also kind of a package store.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. My many years in Philly had a 2 years break in SE Ohio. When I first arrived in the lovely town I went to the store for a 6 pack of Pepsi. The cashier asked if I wanted my pop in a sack. He's probably still laughing at my slack jawed expression. Despite the fact that I was there to obtain a master's in English, it took me about 2 minutes to translate that line and realize he was asking if I wanted my soda in a bag.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          and if that six-pack was beer, you might be buying it in a package store or a liquour store or state store depending on the state.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          When I arrived in Philly from New Haven more than 40 years ago to attend Wharton, I learned that I had to buy my booze in a state store, and beer was sold as a takeout by the can or bottle from a bar or by the case from a beverage distributor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank God fir the subway to Camden.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ohio was pretty strange back then as they had 18 for beer/wine and 21 for booze. So beer and wine were pretty easy to obtain, but there was a separate store for booze (controlled by the state, I think?)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            PA is pretty much as you left it 40+ years ago. Six packs (up to 3 at a time) from package stores, bars, some delis. Cases of beer from beer "distributors," wine and liquor from state stores now known as "Fine Wine and Spirits Stores."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Oh, there has been one change. You can now buy cases of beer on Sundays from 12-5. And a select subset of wine/liquor stores are also open Sundays from 12-5.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, but the LCB has allowed some grocery stores to sell 6-packs... our Wegmans (Malvern) does. You have to use the separate check-out lines for prepared food, and there is a limit on how much you can get in a single purchase, but it is nice to be able to buy beer at the same place as your groceries. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: truman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                True, in response to the impending Wegman's Montgomeryville opening, the local Giant is preparing to stock beer as well. But you still have to go to a dedicated cashier.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: truman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yea I wish Maryland would pick up this idea.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Actually the dedicated cashier thing sucks. At wegmans in mechanicsburg you have to go to both cashiers food and then beer. It's like going to two stores anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                CT represent! I grew up with package store but moved to MD where they had liquor stores in PA I have to go to the state store and beer distributor. I hate this state and their ridiculous laws.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: melpy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Pennsylvania.....like Virginia and Massachusetts it's a COMMONWEALTH. And of course little Rhode Island, actually Rhode Island and Providence Plantations............

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm sorry that the amendment that repealed prohibition let the individual states decide their own alcohol laws, it was be better with a standard federal system.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I grew up in KY, but when I went to college, still in KY but further south, I bought my Dr. Pepper at the Piggly Wiggly (1st P.W. I'd ever seen) and the clerk asked, "ya'll be wanton that ina poke?" I had no clue. Did I "want that" in a "bag". New language.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: pine time

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Who knew so many languages masquerade as American English?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Google "Boontling" and prepare to have your mind blown.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      funny though, i remember hearing pancakes referred to as saddle blankets occasionally when growing up in n.cal. The rest of boontling was gibberish to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, my goodness. I did NOT expect to find someone who is familiar with it without even having to google. Fascinating that you grew up in Boonville. There's a book you MUST read, by Robert Mailer Anderson - the title, haha, is "Boonville." and it's one of the funniest books I've ever read. It's not about boontling, but it's just marvelous anyway. Anyhoo: I've got to go to the grocery to get some bahl gorms (good food), and I'll need a horn of zeese (cuppa coffee) to give me the energy to go do it. :)