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Is CH Austin on life support?

Or,does he be de'd?

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    1. re: tom in austin

      awww...it is just a bit more laid back than NY or LA

    2. I haven't been carrying my weight for a while, as I've been in kid zone. I'm starting to ramp back up. There are a lot of long time posters that I don't see anymore. Like lixlix and others.....

      There are certainly a lot more restaurants than there used to be, so you'd think that there would be new posters and more posts. Maybe they are all going to yelp (which I personally cannot stand).

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      1. re: rudeboy

        Moderator flagged everything I posted (good reviews, bad reviews, questions - pretty much everything) so I stopped posting. I've just barely been brave enough to start again.

        1. re: amysuehere

          I haven't had anything removed that I remember - maybe it is a personal thing.....that's weird. I've never witnessed you saying anything offensive in all the time I've known you.

          Moderator? Comments?

          1. re: amysuehere

            Aw, ASH, you're such a sweetheart how could they do that. And, I have found since Austin 360 days, where I was first exposed to you and rudeboy, that you two have generally had some of the more informative and interesting postings.

            Right now there are two things I don't understand about Austin, aside from why they run metro rail the way they do, and that is that A. has no street musicians. With all the music scene we have here you would think there are enough hungry musicians that they would play on the street. Everywhere else in the world I go there are street musicians, even in Portland. I think overall it helps to set an atmosphere.

            The other thing is why isn't this board literally burning with commentary, arguments, rebuttals, accusations and condemnations, considering, as rudeboy just pointed out, since A.is becoming a nationally known foodie center. New places opening all the time, big guns coming here to speak, etc. Instead I see more restaurant action on Yelp and even on Trip Advisor, where advice is ghastly and shockingly erroneous, e.g. Rudy's number two place to eat in A.

            Could it be that both of the above egregiously and shamlessly promote themselves? I know that TA is constantly sending me emails about how many readers my reviews had, new promotional opportunities, and just plainly begging for me to write another review.

            I don't get the sense that CH really cares if I participate or not. I get the sense that they want to keep it "pure" , which is admirable, but they do have ads and do need eyeballs. I am certainly glad it is here and certainly put more trust in the participants opinions here than anywhere else, but as I started out with, we are dwindling down to skin and bones.

            Too bad, afaik, there is nothing comparable or I would be there.

            If you read this far, thanks for perservering.

            1. re: amysuehere

              awww I get stuff pulled alllll the time! mostly snarky resonses to other peoples snarkys resoponses... It use to make me cry... but whatcha going do

              1. re: girloftheworld

                i've been posting on CH longer than i care to admit to any of you, first on the boston boards and then austin starting in '05 :-) it's been a while since any of my posts have been deleted or edited (that i know of) but then again, i barely post any more. i will say that i trust the opinions on here way more than yelp or any other food-related site, but i just am not going to put a lot of time or energy into writing posts when the moderating is so capricious.

                also: i get really burnt out with the ZOMG COMING TO AUSTIN FOR SXSW/ACL/WTF PLZ VET MY FOOD LIST!!11!! type stuff.

                1. re: dinaofdoom

                  First post was in June, 2006. I have 32 pages of postings. Yikes. Just, yikes...

                  1. re: dinaofdoom

                    I still like this board. there isn't really anything else that compares to it when you are looking for something in particular, have a unique query or want to look up a history of a topic.

                    I agree with DoD about the itinerary requests. it gets old and I have to self censor the responses I want to write.

                    I prefer a site like this moderated as opposed to the Reddit or Orangeblood forums which can degenerate into something more reminiscent of 90's era community access call-ins.

                    Between this and Eater I get what I need. I don't need another blogger telling me how amazing their free meal at the new restaurant was. I do like a site with random discussions of who makes homemade tortillas, has the best bulgogi north of the river etc...

                    Finally, there isn't anywhere else I knock out a quick review at 3am and turn someone on to a decent place?

                    I kind of like that this site isn't as busy as cities with comparable scenes. The trolls and ringers stick out that much more.

                    Thanks to you all for your continued participation. This site isn't perfect but it's clean and easy to use.

                    1. re: ieathereforeiam

                      And....let's keep it weird!
                      (For the uninformed, that's Austin's slogan.)

                      1. re: ieathereforeiam

                        I've been on this board since 2000 (only travisleroy seems to still post from that time and is is quite infrequent) and it is fun to watch it grow and contract. Greg, MPH, sambamaster, scrumptiouschef are all missed. I predict we will be growing again soon.

                        The main reason I keep coming back is hearing about new places that are recommended. I skip all the the trip reports, etc, but an offbeat Indian recommendation is right up my ally. Gene's, Asia Cafe, Asiana were all brought to my attention on this board and for that I am forever grateful.

                        I hope everyone will keep posting great meals as we all benefit. My favorite thread ever was the "post about a never mentioned on chowhound place."

                        Speaking of which has anyone posted on the new Korean place between Asia Cafe and Chen's? Maybe we can revive that thread...

                    2. re: girloftheworld

                      My final straw was when I posted a very nice review (can't even remember where now) and it was pulled. Tried again, pulled again. Made a semi-negative comment on another thread, pulled again. Made a comment about one more thing being pulled and I'd quit...it was pulled. It really got ridiculous an felt VERY personal and I work in construction - very thick skin.

                      1. re: amysuehere

                        interesting. maybe my comments have been edited/removed and i just didn't notice.

                        1. re: amysuehere

                          So when you got deleted all those times, didn't you get an email at least once from the mods? Pointing out why?

                  2. MAN I agree about the itinerary posts. I still post some stuff on here pretty often, but I've definitely slowed down because the board's now predominantly requests from out of towners who are too lazy to use the search function.

                    The funny thing is that we're all so polite that we keep indulging them...

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                    1. re: popvulture

                      The mods should make a sticky for out of-towners.

                      1. re: popvulture

                        An inference to be made from your post is that most Austinites know all they need to know about the food scene, and that may be the case.

                          1. re: popvulture

                            I'll have to admit - I've traveled and have made queries in other cities as an out-of-towner. Usually, it is pretty specific, though. I tend to feel guilty about not replying to people traveling into Austin and asking questions, because I feel like it is our duty to return the favor. I've been out of the game for a long time, though. People at work still think I'm the "restaurant guy," but so many places have opened in that time that I no longer feel qualified to answer!

                            1. re: rudeboy

                              i've done the same re: travel cities, especially now that i'm gluten free, and i don't even get a response. i do think the austin board is pretty inclusive in that respect.

                            2. re: popvulture

                              I recommend the we just send all the "what should I absolutely not miss" people to Torchy's, Stubb's and Threadgill's and save the good stuff for locals and people who put in at least a minimum amount of leg work.

                              1. re: Alan Sudo

                                I don't understand why Threadgills gets such a bashing here. Where can you get a better selection of vegetable sides?

                                1. re: Veggo

                                  Seriously the best broccoli rice casserole ever. So wrong but oh so right when you have the craving.

                                  1. re: Veggo

                                    There was a time when I was a big Threadgill's fan.
                                    But at some point in the last several years, things began to change. Portions got smaller. Veggies lost some of their richness and complexity. The yeast rolls that at one time were a fresh, hot treat became just a generic roll that had spent too much time in the warmer. The grits at breakfast got thicker and the eggs denser. Meals were delivered to my table looking and tasting like they were scooped out of a line of steam tables.
                                    It's seems to me that Threadgill's may have chosen to save labor costs by cooking in larger, less frequent batches and to make small revisions to their recipes or ingredient quality. Then, after some time passes and customers keep coming back, they do it again. Then again later on.
                                    It has added up to such a reduction in overall quality that I can now get the same breakfast at a Holiday Inn buffet and the same dinner at a Furr's or Luby's.

                                    1. re: Alan Sudo

                                      I wish they hadn't switched to the corn muffins. I liked a nice square of center-cut corn bread from a big pan.

                                      1. re: Alan Sudo

                                        This Austin girl has to have a Luby's fix and a broccoli rice casserole fix from Threadgill's now and again. Just how I roll.

                                    2. re: Alan Sudo

                                      I just looked at Threadgill's menu and LOL'd. They put a cow icon beside the beef dishes and a fish one beside the fish dishes. That tells me a lot about the clientele they're trying to attract. Too funny.

                                      1. re: c oliver

                                        Threadgill's doesn't pretend to be high end or politically correct. Just an old Austin hangout that has managed to survive.

                                    3. re: popvulture

                                      In defense of those out-of-towners, the search function on CH does leave a lot to be desired.

                                    4. Maybe we'll just be added to a new section called Austifornia

                                      1. I came here after Usenet's austin.food newsgroup died. I don't eat out much preferring to cook at home so I don't have much to contribute to most threads.

                                        I'm a pretty good source for "Where to buy..." queries most of the time since I shop all the food stores. But I ignore all "Where should I eat" threads since most of them require mind-reading, tarot cards, and crystal balls.

                                        I have had several posts removed. But I'm very politically incorrect and don't give a flying fuck most of the time. Unless "they" email me Then I get offended <shrug>.

                                        Austin.food and chowhound kinda reminds me of the Austin supermarket featured in the movie "Kabluey".



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                                        1. re: sqwertz

                                          Didn't see that movie, but I'll check Netflix - I'll start a new thread about Austin food.

                                          1. re: rudeboy

                                            The grocery store in the movie was the now defunct and perpetually sad looking City Market on South First.

                                        2. Thank all of you for your responses. I think this shows what we could have here, what our potential is. Although I see lots of room for improvement here, you gotta' remember there is more to CH than just the discussion boards, but honestly they are what keep me here.

                                          What I am wondering now is , iyo, would there be more participation by you and any others if the moderation policy changed, ie, lightened up? Example: judging from this board and others , there are a lot of mobile people on the 'net, to wit, all the posts asking where to eat here, where to eat there. Once I ran across an item about an out of town restaurant that I thought might interest some people here in A. I posted it, and guess what, you probably already have, it was promptly moved to another section.

                                          So, would a change in moderation policy (philosophy) affect your participation ( assuming it was a positive change(?

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                                          1. re: singlemalt

                                            There was another recent thread that ended up mentioning how much the responses are scrutinized. As you can guess all of those responses were removed with an email from the moderator. So odd.

                                            1. re: singlemalt

                                              i think a change in mod policy would be great so long as it didn't end up with something akin to the old Eater comments section. those were pretty mean a lot of the time. Given the choice between that and this, I'll take this.

                                              I think what keeps me coming back is that it isn't just one snarky voice all the time like so many blogs.

                                            2. i'm kinda surprised this thread hasn't been moved to the "site talk" forum. I think thats what happened last time people tried discussing mods on this board

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                                              1. re: chrisdds98

                                                Well, the original post was asking if the Austin board is having problems. I think that it is really about losing long-time posters, and fewer posts from the ones that remain.

                                                1. re: rudeboy

                                                  And it happened again....sigh...

                                                  I'm afraid I've lost that lovin' feelin'...

                                                  1. re: amysuehere

                                                    What was deleted? I don't see anything that you posted removed. Unless you posted something and it got removed prior to me logging back in.

                                                    1. re: rudeboy

                                                      Yeah, but I can't tell you what I said, cuz I'll just get caught in the same loop. No worries.

                                              2. well to be sure i posted a gentle challenge as to how this website compares to another and it was removed. geeesh. really? i feel like we exist in food siberia. if CH is as relevant as it wants to be, then grow the fuck up!!! you can take it. I will give this five minutes.

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                                                1. re: slowcoooked

                                                  hehehe.... Welcome to the club. We meet at the bar every Friday. What size would you like your jacket?

                                                    1. re: amysuehere

                                                      40 regular, navy, with a plaid silk lining through the sleeves please :-)

                                                  1. I started posting in '05 after moving here from NYC. It is heavily used there and I was hoping for something close here. Over the past few years I haven't really seen an uptick in traffic, which is interesting. I am still holding out hope, but using Yelp more these days.

                                                    1. CH is on life support. Many other regional boards have similar observations. It's getting hard to wade through the off topic dreck and find any useful information, and anything interesting gets deleted.

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                                                      1. re: carolinadawg

                                                        I used to bitch about how San Antonio didn't have it's own board, probably just as well from what I've seen here. Seen the same pattern on yelp and urbanspoon, guess crowdsourcing only gets you so far before folks get burned out providing free content.

                                                          1. re: Sam Spade

                                                            Is yelp even reliable? Seems like each time I've looked, I couldn't tell the real people from the shills, other than the tone. Too many exclamation points. It is a usually a red flag when the owners are mentioned. But I haven't really looked lately. Here's a recent example:

                                                            1. I LOVE fruit poop!
                                                            It's so hard to find simple, unadulterated fruit treats for some reason. I'm so glad they believed in it enough! Also, I Love the name. I wish I'd thought of it.

                                                            2. The owners are awesome!
                                                            They're really nice, helpful and all the good things you would want in an owner. Also, it cracked me up to see them handing out free bananas at ACL.

                                                            3. I can't wait til they add cool fruits like persimmons and durian! Wink, wink, nudge, nudge ;)

                                                              1. re: rudeboy

                                                                All i ever use Yelp for is the convenient summary of basic restaurant info right at the top (phone #, hours, patio seating?, etc.). Nothing more.

                                                          2. I guess it's a sign of how often I come back here when it takes me 2 weeks to find this thread. I got so many posts deleted that I really stopped posting much of substance. If I did, I cross-posted elsewhere so it wasn't gone forever. Most of the time my stuff was deleted with no trace and no email. And I've been around since 2006, although not nearly as prolifically as others.

                                                            It's sad. I wish we could discuss food like grownups and be treated accordingly.

                                                            1. Here's something on Site Talk about long-time posters being mooderated:


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                                                              1. re: rudeboy

                                                                mooderated! i love this word and think i'll be using it again.

                                                                1. re: dinaofdoom

                                                                  Maybe that was a freudian typo! I've posted in good moods, bad moods, drunk, and dangerously sober. Guilty!

                                                              2. Call me an eternal optimist, but I still believe in Austin Chowhound.

                                                                Yelp is not helpful. Eater is good if I want to know about brand new restaurants or bars within a 5 mile radius of downtown, but I'm convinced their writers have never ventured north of 45th street. And the comments section turns into an unhelpful playground very quickly.

                                                                And that's what I still love about this board. If there's some great chow in Round Rock or Del Valle that we need to know about, let's talk about it and not worry about the scene. And, <knock on wood> I've yet to have a post deleted.

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                                                                1. re: jwynne2000

                                                                  Agree - also, if you take a look at some of the other boards ( looked at Manhattan, DFW, and Chicago), there are either just a few more or a few less postings per day than AUS.

                                                                  1. re: jwynne2000

                                                                    My turn to yelp usually occurs when I cannot find sufficient information here, and that occurs often. And I agree, the posts can be completely uninformative. But I have not yet been burned by the metric of an establishment that's good should earn at least 4 yelp stars over more than 20 reviews, preferably more than 100. I've found that the places we rave about here usually have 4.5 stars and 10's of reviews, often hundreds. At that point, you can just about guarantee that the meal should be a good one. Another point is that few people here ever post pics. I always feel a bit goofy to photograph food, but often do.

                                                                  2. Back to back,
                                                                    Belly to belly,
                                                                    Don' give a damn,
                                                                    'Cause I done that awwready . . .

                                                                    CHA not be dead, he just be zombified.

                                                                    Oooooh, Ooooooooh!

                                                                    Happy Haloween!!

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                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                        love the bumper sticker "keep round rock mildly unusual"

                                                                    1. If this board dies, I will never find La Fogata when I come to town. :(