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ISO of orange wines at SAQ

Peaches to Poutine Oct 3, 2013 05:07 PM

When in London last week, my husband and I split a bottle of a lovely orange wine (a 2006 Barrabianca) at a wine bar. I've read about orange wines in Food & Wine and other magazines, so this was my first time trying one and I quite liked it.

Not entirely sure what/how to search for this on SAQ's website. Has anyone else had any experience with purchasing orange wines there? If so, a little help, SVP?

For the curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_wine

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    Maximilien RE: Peaches to Poutine Oct 4, 2013 03:55 AM

    I don't know if there are Orange wines at the SAQ, from a quick search, I could not find any.

    Your best bet would be to try with the "Private Import" agencies.

    I know that La QV (laQV.ca) and Oenopole (oenopole.ca) sell them ( or used to)

    La QV is now offering the Caspri Luna Blu (not on their site, contact them for more info).

    Oenopole used to (very quickly) sell the La Stoppa orange wine; I don't think they have some now.

    There will be the RASPIPAV (private import organization) will have their Salon the first week-end of November where you will be able to taste and buy (?) wines.

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      Mr F RE: Maximilien Oct 4, 2013 06:36 AM

      I thought I heard La Stoppa (Ageno) would soon be available at the SAQ; OP could email Oenopole to confirm and/or ask about other orange wines. If it does show up, don't expect it to be widely available or to stay on the shelves very long.

      OP: in case you aren't familiar with the private-import channel, you contact an agency to place an order. You must order by the case. Once you place your order, the wine is transferred to an SAQ outlet (you will be given a choice of which one -- not sure how much choice outside of Montreal), where you pick it up and pay for it.

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        Peaches to Poutine RE: Mr F Oct 4, 2013 07:55 AM

        Lamentably, I cannot afford an entire case of orange wine.

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          cherylmtl RE: Peaches to Poutine Oct 6, 2013 07:45 PM

          There was also one available at Le Vin Papillon last week, I don't know if it was specifically through the Chez Jose pop-up or not, but it was the Campania Coda di Volpe "Raski", Cantina Giardino. I didn't try it, but the table next to us was drinking it. You could call and see if they still offer it, or any other orange wines.

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            j_do RE: cherylmtl Oct 7, 2013 12:28 PM

            cherylmtl, were you drinking morgon?

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              cherylmtl RE: j_do Oct 7, 2013 05:13 PM

              No, we were drinking Nedjma, Le Raisin et L'Ange, which was really a perfect match with the meal!

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          cherylmtl RE: Mr F Oct 6, 2013 07:43 PM

          I believe I heard the same thing about La Stoppa - it's supposed to be on shelves sometime later in October, the first vin orange that the SAQ will be stocking.

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        Gloriaa RE: Peaches to Poutine Oct 4, 2013 08:32 AM

        This is so interesting, I have never heard of orange wine. I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around it. I must try it!!!

        1. Peaches to Poutine RE: Peaches to Poutine Oct 4, 2013 08:35 AM

          Piggybacking on my original question, are there any restaurants in Montreal that offer orange wines?

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            Fintastic RE: Peaches to Poutine Oct 4, 2013 08:46 AM

            Yes!! I was trying to find orange wines at the SAQ the other day and there's virtually no way to go about doing it.
            There have been a number of great orange (and other off-colour) wines at Hotel Herman and Vin Papillon the times I've been. I imagine that most wine bars in the city would carry at least one variety

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              Maximilien RE: Peaches to Poutine Oct 4, 2013 10:37 AM

              2 that I know of:
              Hotel Herman
              Lawrence.

              I think Toqué serves some, and probably Alep.

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              j_do RE: Peaches to Poutine Oct 6, 2013 06:02 PM

              I asked someone at the Saq on Laurier a few weeks ago and they said in a few months they may get one. I've had some great orange wines at Laurence (I think they still have the radikon 500ml bootles), Hotel Hermann (Pheasant's tears, a Georgian wine) and I've tried 4-5 different orange wines at Vin Papillon....

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                lagatta RE: Peaches to Poutine Oct 7, 2013 04:50 PM

                A question: are these wines a trigger for someone who is allergic (or more properly has a strong intolerance) to red wines? A friend has this problem (migraine), even if drinking half a glass, so we wind up drinking white even with meat.

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                  Maximilien RE: lagatta Oct 7, 2013 05:55 PM

                  They are more like red wines than white wines with more tannin than whites.

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                    lagatta RE: Maximilien Oct 7, 2013 06:04 PM

                    Thanks. I doubt she can drink them then. I wanted to treat her to something special (she loves wine) but don't want to give her a migraine headache!

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                      Mr F RE: lagatta Oct 8, 2013 07:37 AM

                      I don't think the answer is quite so simple.

                      Has she identified tannin as a trigger? If she can drink tea, then that isn't it.

                      Also, there are a lot of oak-aged whites that are more tannic than most if not all of the orange wines I've had -- sometimes much, much more. Can she drink oaked whites?

                      It could also be worth considering that most or all orange wines come from the "natural wine" movement -- made with organic or biodynamic grapes, minimal sulfur and little or no artificial manipulation (added sugar, acid, stabilizers, fining, selected yeasts, etc.).

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                        Fintastic RE: Mr F Oct 8, 2013 09:13 AM

                        Yes, this "diagnosis" is rather complicated (it could be tannins, pesticides, barrel oak, possibly sulfites). Is she able to drink any rosé wines at all? If so, do you know which? Orange wines often spend relatively little time in contact with the skins (compared with red wines), so her headaches might be reduced but likely not eliminated.
                        That said, I also wouldn't necessarily think that an orange wine would fare much better with a steak than would a well-chosen white. My experience with them is that they are much closer in character and flavour to a white wine than a red so aren't necessarily an ideal substitute for the latter.
                        Has anyone here had an orange that is more red-like? Am I missing out?

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                    j_do RE: lagatta Oct 8, 2013 08:43 AM

                    Guaranteed headache after the 3rd or 4th bottle IMO

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                      Shattered RE: j_do Oct 9, 2013 11:18 AM

                      Haha

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                    j_do RE: Peaches to Poutine Oct 25, 2013 09:12 AM

                    http://bandedesvins.com/2013/10/22/or...

                    One orange wine now avail at Saq

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                      Mr F RE: j_do Oct 25, 2013 10:30 AM

                      ...and a shorter note, in English:

                      http://bretthappens.com/2013/10/22/oe...

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                        Fintastic RE: Mr F Oct 25, 2013 10:44 AM

                        Thanks to carswell I picked up a few bottles yesterday. Tis real good!

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                          Peaches to Poutine RE: Fintastic Oct 25, 2013 12:51 PM

                          I picked up a couple of bottles as well, but am saving them for my birthday dinner in November.

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                            Simon Patrice RE: Peaches to Poutine Nov 4, 2013 07:45 PM

                            Thanks for the tip! I just bought and drank a bottle for my birthday as well last week.

                            For those of you who have tasted more orange wines, is the COS Rami representative of the style?

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                              Mr F RE: Simon Patrice Nov 8, 2013 02:15 PM

                              Having tried a half dozen or so over the last few years (but few side-by-side unfortunately), I'm not sure I'd call any of them "representative" but in a broad sense yes, you now have a general idea of what to expect when you try your next one.

                              Go back to carswell's note linked above, click on the "Orange wines" tag and you'll get a few more notes to give you a better idea where the Rami stands in relation to its peers.

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                      sunshinetricia RE: Peaches to Poutine Nov 4, 2013 07:18 PM

                      I had an Orange Moscato from Cooper's Hawk Winery and it was wonderful! It became the "go to" wine of the summer for all of my girlfriends this year.

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                        Mr F RE: sunshinetricia Nov 8, 2013 02:27 PM

                        I can't find out much about that wine, but from what little I can glean it isn't an orange wine of the type covered by this thread (a wine made from white grapes handled in a manner similar to red wine grapes).

                        Can you tell us a little more about it? I'm guessing it's sweet?

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