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jessejames Oct 3, 2013 10:54 AM

OK NYC hounds, thanks for all the tips on the pastrami -- heading out this weekend from LA for a wedding and will do Katz's the way you suggest and I think I'm also going to have a hard time getting away from that monster sammie at Carnegie -- we'll see....one more thing...LA here believe it or not is a pretty decent hotdog town, but you guys are the kings for that..right?..Staying in Times Square area and just don't have the time to go to Nathans/Coney Island this time....any special tips for good dogs midtown or just hit up one of the sabrett carts? call me old fashioned -- really old i guess based on how long those orange pickled onion things have been accompanying most of the dogs I've seen there -- but I prefer a spot with raw onions, kraut, etc. Thanks and we are looking forward to the big apple!

  1. David11238 Oct 7, 2013 08:02 PM

    Kind of diverging a tad: I have found that the hot dogs The Red Hook Lobster Pound serves at their flagship store, are very tasty.

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      sugartoof Oct 7, 2013 06:26 PM

      You might want to give NY a chance and hit up some foods that LA doesn't do well too!

      Gray's and Papaya King are a different breed of grease and texture. I stick to the Gray's in the West Village and the new Papaya King location on St. Marks. I find them superior to the other locations.

      Bark in Brooklyn was a great suggestion, but not unless you're already in that neighborhood. Criff Dogs are good if you're drunk, or need a tator tot fix.

      Shack Shake and Schnipper's are more generic, but serve a better option than the street carts.

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        villainx Oct 7, 2013 07:44 PM

        I'll have to give the St Marks Papaya King a try. Any of the toppings particularly worth adding?

        For the historical minded, did St Marks use to have a Papaya variant?

        Oh shoot, before I forget, if you are in the lower east side, in addition to Katz, Los Perros Locos is worth a try. Unless you happen to be going to Northern Boulevard in Queens, then head to one of the Colombian shops there instead.

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          sugartoof Oct 7, 2013 07:57 PM

          No Papaya on St Marks, as far as I know, until this shop opened recently.

          It could just be that it's new, but everything was top notch, and I normally prefer Gray's.

          Just stick to your normal order, and give it a shot. I can't say I've tried the onions or kraut, but the condiments are all standard from what I can tell.

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          jessejames Oct 8, 2013 01:29 PM

          we sure did enjoy the cheesecake at juniors, and the fries at pomme frite near st marks place. loads of fun and good eats in nyc...the peculiar pub on bleeker street still has their awesome array of brews and the comfortable atmosphere...

          still, katz's and carnegie were awesome.

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          jessejames Oct 5, 2013 01:38 PM

          Dollar sabrett dog with that fried onion crumble (new to me) Times Square solid

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            villainx Oct 3, 2013 08:11 PM

            If you are going to the Barclay Center area for any reason, go to Bark. It's a great hot dog.

            Or if you are going through Newark airport, get hot dogs from New Jersey.

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              kathryn Oct 3, 2013 07:06 PM

              Get a NJ style deep fried (they do it sans batter) hot dog from Crif Dogs?

              1. coasts Oct 3, 2013 06:32 PM

                The Shack-cago Dog at Shake Shack is probably my favorite menu item there. it's salty and spicy and refreshing. also worth mentioning that DBGB has a ten dollar bar room special - any dog and any draft, any time. ranks as one of the best deals in manhattan, even if it's more bread than beef (or pork or lamb).

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                  kathryn Oct 3, 2013 07:05 PM

                  Interesting recommendation, a Chicago style dog in NYC for an LA visitor. According to my Chicago friends the Shack-cago dog is done "incorrectly" and not a true Chicago dog, though it might be tasty.

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                    coasts Oct 3, 2013 07:23 PM

                    I had a very similar dog in Chicago at what was supposedly a very popular place. The shack-cago had the same ingredients but fresher quality.

                    I never really thought of New York as a hot dog city, despite its reputation for being so. Some of our most famed dogs are downright awful.

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                      JungMann Oct 4, 2013 07:21 AM

                      The Shackago dog misses on a few details, but is otherwise pretty well-done. The tomatoes should be sliced into wedges so that their juiciness contrasts with the snap of the Vienna Beef hot dog, the bun should be poppyseeded and of course the relish is not nearly green enough, but everything else is otherwise fine. I just had one a couple weeks ago to celebrate the opening of Bears season. The bun was oversteamed, but it was otherwise a great taste of home.

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                        jessejames Oct 8, 2013 01:31 PM

                        will have to try that next time...there's shake shack at jfk now too fyi

                  2. Monica Oct 3, 2013 01:06 PM

                    I honestly wouldn't come to NY and 'waste' a meal on hotdogs but everyone is different I guess.

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                      jessejames Oct 3, 2013 02:03 PM

                      i find a hotdog to be a terrific between meal snack, very convenient and tasty, and affordable ... are you a new yorker?

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                        thegforceny Oct 5, 2013 07:37 PM

                        I am. (Well, for a little over 20 years now) And I have to say...I don't think of NY as a hot dog town. I think there is a lot of nostalgia involved.

                        Besides Gray's and Papaya - two places that maybe you pop into if nearby but not destination places - no one really talks about hot dogs IME.

                        Hot dogs from the carts? Sabrett's or not. They're for tourists and commuters or maybe if you are crazy starving and need to put something in your belly STAT. They are referred to as Dirty Water Dogs.

                        PS Nathan's is a chain all serving the same dogs from what I read on this exact board though I do not know for sure.

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                          villainx Oct 7, 2013 05:57 AM

                          Nathan's in Coney Island is incomparable. You get the atmosphere and surroundings, plus a lot more volume, so the dogs are just better (if they are the same dogs).

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                            lexismore Oct 7, 2013 07:03 AM

                            It's not just psychological - they're not the same hot dogs. Most, if not all, the Nathan's in the city serve skinless dogs. Nathan's Coney Island serves natural casing dogs. The difference in taste is significant.

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                              thegforceny Oct 7, 2013 12:23 PM

                              Calculate in Opportunity Cost for someone spending only one weekend in NYC.

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                                lexismore Oct 7, 2013 01:05 PM

                                I try to focus more on facts than opinion - a challenging endeavor on a topic as subjective as food.

                                Personally? I love Nathan's Coney Island - but I don't think it's worth the trip to Coney Island for a hot dog if you're only here for two days. Not to mention, I find the dogs very similar to what you get at Gray's and Papaya King.

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                                  sugartoof Oct 7, 2013 06:18 PM

                                  "Not to mention, I find the dogs very similar to what you get at Gray's and Papaya King."

                                  They're not at all alike. I wouldn't suggest anyone pressed for time, go all the way to Coney Island for a hot dog, but the Nathan's out there is distinct, and tasty.

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                                    lexismore Oct 8, 2013 05:22 AM

                                    We'll have to agree to disagree on what constitutes similar.

                                    I'm not saying they're identical. But they're both beef natural casing hot dogs. If I'm craving Nathan's but don't feel like making the trip out to Brooklyn, Gray's or Papaya King would be where I go instead.

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                                      sugartoof Oct 8, 2013 09:51 AM

                                      They're not really the same style and fit different cravings for me, but anyway, I do agree Gray's or Papaya is preferable to going to a random Nathan's location, unless it's the Coney one.

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                                  villainx Oct 7, 2013 05:03 PM

                                  Haha, if it was on my way to JFK via Belt, I would consider it. But then, I would stop by Bark instead, all else being equal.

                                  As is, I almost always stop by Boulevard Drinks if I have any reason to go to Newark or Elizabeth Ikea.

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                          Ttrockwood Oct 3, 2013 12:00 PM

                          Grey's Papaya and Papaya king are very popular for locals who want a hotdog that is not from a street vendor.
                          This thread mentions other options as well, the hotdog at Katz has a following as well fyi.
                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/905313

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                            jessejames Oct 3, 2013 12:43 PM

                            thank you

                          2. Spiritchaser Oct 3, 2013 11:07 AM

                            I don't know if you have tried them since you are on the West coast and maybe you've gotten to Vancouver but there is a Japadog in NYC, obviously not indicative of a NY hotdog but if you are a hotdog aficionado you may want to check them out, I like them quite a lot.

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                              jessejames Oct 3, 2013 11:15 AM

                              Thanks spiritchaser -- sounds great...i wish i had more meals in NY this trip. I'm most interested in a straight up kosher hotdog with the fixins...

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                                ramen girl Oct 3, 2013 07:35 PM

                                Go to Katz's Deli. for a great hot dog cooked on a griddle with mustard and saurkraut.

                                Great n.y style hot dog 100% beef with natural sheep casing with a great snap.

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                                  jessejames Oct 3, 2013 08:46 PM

                                  Nice. Pastrami sangie side of dog. The new pickle. Great call. Thanks all for other tips too. I love a dog with a pickle inside Chicago style and deep fried (ie ruts hut). Is there still a Nathan's in Times Square?

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                                    jessejames Oct 5, 2013 09:42 PM

                                    This was great. I liked it better than pastrami which was also dynamite. Thanks!

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