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Gastronomos Sep 30, 2013 03:13 PM

Anybody know of someone who is quite content with the contrived and the mediocre?

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    lemons RE: Gastronomos Sep 30, 2013 03:14 PM

    Sure. Why do you ask?

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      ferret RE: Gastronomos Sep 30, 2013 03:16 PM

      Personally? No. But the lots are full at Outback, Chili's, Red Robin and countless other spots near me, so they're out there in droves.

      1. SaraAshley RE: Gastronomos Sep 30, 2013 03:35 PM

        I would say this would include most people I know. I would even say me sometimes, to a lesser degree. Content doesn't mean happy, and mediocre doesn't mean bad, so yeah, I've had my fair share of "mediocre" meals and been "content" with them. It's not like I seek them out, but sometimes depending on time and availability, it is what it is.

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          Gastronomos RE: SaraAshley Oct 3, 2013 09:27 AM

          I like your reply.

        2. mucho gordo RE: Gastronomos Sep 30, 2013 04:08 PM

          Most reasonable people who can't always afford an elegant and astronomically priced dinner

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            ferret RE: mucho gordo Sep 30, 2013 05:06 PM

            I take exception to that position. My wife and I go out a lot (it's just the 2 of us many nights during the week) and while we can certainly spend a lot at some meals, most are just good meals for a good value (local Thai place, local bbq spot, local Middle Eastern spot). Mediocre does not equal inexpensive any more than "good" requires a lot of money. You can easily spend $20/person at Outback or even Chili's. I can get a pretty fantastic Cuban sandwich for under $10 (under $7 actually) that will be both satisfying and really delicious. Or stop at any number of local spots for well-prepared and good quality meals.

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              KaimukiMan RE: ferret Sep 30, 2013 09:27 PM

              yes, but for a lot of people spending 7 dollars at a minimum for every meal is not sustainable. People on assistance receive about half that much for a full day's sustenance. That leaves a many people who can't afford a whole lot more than that. Hopefully they are able to find food that is at least mediocre and nutritious and don't have to settle for bad.

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                ferret RE: KaimukiMan Oct 1, 2013 12:03 PM

                You're taking this in a different direction. I'm not making any judgments on anyone's personal situation, it's just commenting on seeing a full parking lot at Outback when the money can be more satisfyingly spent elsewhere.

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              Chinon00 RE: mucho gordo Sep 30, 2013 06:16 PM

              The cartoon didn't describe an astronomically priced dinner. Although I don't know how much (or if I'd enjoy) a 54 year old Cotes du Rhone.

            3. Gastronomos RE: Gastronomos Sep 30, 2013 04:46 PM

              I'm not sure

              1. Perilagu Khan RE: Gastronomos Sep 30, 2013 06:05 PM

                I usually find the contrived the and mediocre to be at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of spirit if not taste.

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                  mucho gordo RE: Perilagu Khan Sep 30, 2013 06:35 PM

                  good point

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                  tastesgoodwhatisit RE: Gastronomos Sep 30, 2013 08:29 PM

                  I would define contrived and mediocre as very different problems, often occuring at very different restaurants. Contrived is usually a restaurant that thinks it's better than it is, or one that's gotten obsessed with novelty over quality.

                  I do know people who, when given a choice, will choose to go to a place that has what I would consider mediocre and not very well prepared food - a friend of my mom's was raving about this amazing restaurant, and insisted on taking her there. Stringy over-cooked roast beef, pre-made grayvy from a jar, lumpy mashed pototoes and mushy overcooked vegetables. To her friend, this was a great, just like home cooked meal.

                  On the other hand - I find when you live in a big city with a diverse selection of good, affordable restaurants, it's easy to lose touch with the choices of people in other areas. If you grow up in a smaller town with little choice, sometimes Chilis is the *good* choice for a dinner out.

                  Actually, I wouldn't categorize places like Chilis or Outback as mediocre - they prepare competent, consistent, if unexceptional food. The mediocre scale goes *way* lower than that.

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                    Gastronomos RE: tastesgoodwhatisit Oct 1, 2013 07:35 AM

                    "To her friend, this was a great, just like home cooked meal. "

                    That, I believe, is the crux of it all. Whether Chowhound or foodie.

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                    virtualguthrie RE: Gastronomos Sep 30, 2013 11:24 PM


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                      LeoLioness RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 07:37 AM

                      Sure. This morning I got an egg and cheese sandwich and an iced coffee. It was neither outstanding nor terrible. It was your basic egg and cheese sandwich and iced coffee that I ate at my desk at work. I wasn't expecting it to be much more than acceptable.

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                        Gastronomos RE: LeoLioness Oct 1, 2013 07:45 AM

                        so..., you are quite content with the mediocre? Or were you just fulfilling your expectations?
                        Some Chowhounds seek out that egg sandwich at places that just might take them across town to get and still eat it at there desk. I'm guilty. There's a deli that makes great scrambled egg sandwiches across town from me. The local place makes a serviceable egg sandwich, but I take the trip for the deliciousness.

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                          LeoLioness RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 07:48 AM

                          Yes, there are places where the egg and cheese is a little better. But no, spending an extra 45 minutes on a rush hour subway car for slightly better bread doesn't appeal to me.

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                            Gastronomos RE: LeoLioness Oct 1, 2013 07:58 AM

                            what about infinitely better cooked eggs?

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                              LeoLioness RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 08:00 AM

                              They aren't anything I need to get up an hour early for and go
                              out of my way for on the subway at 8 in the morning on a Tuesday.

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                                Gastronomos RE: LeoLioness Oct 1, 2013 11:43 AM

                                I understand. I used to commute by train and subway to work. I was known to stop and jump off, grab something great and get back on. I found DiFara's pizza by this method.

                                But I had to chowhound a lot of neighborhoods and eat a lot of *whatever* to get to the gold. I didn't return to the mediocre for convenience. I found a way to get deliciousness somehow.

                                Now I drive a lot. I drive nearly 60 minutes each way to grab a breakfast worthy of the trip. Yep. 60 minutes each way for a breakfast worthy of the trip. There are four diners on each corner around here. One worse than the next. Busy as they are, with lines out the door at dinner time, which peaks around 4pm-5pm... there are many who are content with mediocre for sake of convenience.

                                Even with eggs, yes, eggs, if the dozens of local diners suck at cooking them, I'm going elsewhere.

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                                  LeoLioness RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 11:52 AM


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                                    Gastronomos RE: LeoLioness Oct 1, 2013 12:05 PM

                                    on being a Chowhound?

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                                    foodieX2 RE: Gastronomos Oct 4, 2013 12:59 PM

                                    While I enjoy the sentiment and when time allows I love to search out great chow but I am more than just me. I have a husband, a child, pets and a full time job. Sometimes there priorities that are greater than driving 2 plus hours for "good chow".

                                    That said driving 2 plus hours for a world changing egg sandwich could be the great start to a family road trip and quality family time. However sometimes you need to just fill a need, not a want. I make an awesome egg sandwich so that would be my first choice. But give us a late start in the AM and the choice is to go to work hungry and/or send your kid to school hungry or stop at a serviceable place along the way-you make choices. Doesn't make one less of a 'hound.

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                                      Gastronomos RE: foodieX2 Oct 4, 2013 01:24 PM

                                      I wasn't trying to say that anyone is less of a hound cause they eat the mediocre, even regularly. we all do. content with it or not. that was the question. I was just suggesting that there are times that the Chowhound in me, and I hope all of us, comes out and we do our thing. maybe not on this particular Tuesday morn, but maybe tomorrow? maybe that egg sandwich, since it was mentioned, IS important. Maybe it was mentioned for a REASON. maybe.

                                      I make that 60 minute trip each way no more than once a week. I Chowhound the rest of the week. I do return to some better-than-usual places but I keep trying new places. Most suck. That's just a fact. I spend time and money seeking these places out. I get more than my share of mediocre and a whole lot of really sucky crap.
                                      If I'm cooking at home, which is often enough these days, the kids are getting home cooked food. I find it, for us, better than any restaurant or food service place makes around these parts and too bad we are all always in a rush and the kids do get a cold bowl of cold cereal for breakfast many mornings. I am guilty though, of going an extra block to buy that ingredient I want or that something even slightly better, or a mile for that sandwich that the guy next door just can't get right.

                                      Happy Chowhounding!

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                                        foodieX2 RE: Gastronomos Oct 4, 2013 02:07 PM

                                        I guess in where I am different is that I *am* content with that less-than-mindblowing egg sandwich we picked up on our way. Our hunger is satisfied, we have the fuel and the energy to get through our morning. Why not be content? Why bemoan the fact it was not the best thing we ever ate? Life is too short for regrets about a less than stellar chow. So yes there are the occasional times and situations when I am content with just ok.

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                                          Gastronomos RE: foodieX2 Oct 6, 2013 10:13 AM

                                          foodieX2, I appreciate your thoughtful reply. I agree with you 100%. My original post was a question, here on a site called "Chowhound", asking, "who is quite content". You state very real facts and are correct. But this ain't a general "there are the occasional times and situations" question. It's a question about being, "quite content". You don't write about your experiences as being, "quite content." Just "content" with the situation. Fair and true, for us both.

                                          BTW, just curious, do you "Chowhound"?

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                                            foodieX2 RE: Gastronomos Oct 6, 2013 10:29 AM

                                            No sure what you mean by your last question?

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                                        sandylc RE: foodieX2 Oct 6, 2013 04:53 PM

                                        I hear a new thread calling....

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                                        EM23 RE: Gastronomos Oct 6, 2013 10:33 AM

                                        Where are you getting your breakfast and what are you ordering, Gastro? I rarely get a breakfast sandwich these days, but if it's that good, I'm interested.

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                                          Gastronomos RE: EM23 Oct 6, 2013 02:47 PM

                                          this ain't about sandwiches. the sandwich was an example made by LeoLioness. since you are a fellow Lawn Guylander, breakfast, sandwiches or otherwise, can be had at Maureen's Kitchen in Smithtown.

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                                            EM23 RE: Gastronomos Oct 6, 2013 06:18 PM

                                            Ah, yes. I have not been there in ages, but agree that it is a good spot. Thanks!

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                                              Gastronomos RE: EM23 Oct 7, 2013 05:25 AM

                                              that's breakfast. got a good lunch spot? thanks!

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                                          tastesgoodwhatisit RE: Gastronomos Oct 6, 2013 06:03 PM

                                          It's a balance of costs, monetary and otherwise.

                                          Driving 45 minutes for an amazing lunch? That's not such a brilliant idea when you're at work and have a 1 hour lunch break, and that amazing lunch will get you fired.

                                          60 minute drive for a fantastic breakfast? That's two hours driving that you won't spend on other stuff. If you've got lots of time, that's fine. It's also fine if you personally prioritize amazing eggs over things like spending time with family, having a clean house, sleep, or whatever else it is you give up to get that time. But not everyone will make that choice. For that matter, I don't have a car, so that 60 minute drive could be 3 hours on public transit for those same eggs.

                                          Think of it this way - you could ask why people don't spend three hours every night cooking an amazing multi-course gourmet dinner. Yes, lots of people like amazing multi-course gourmet dinners, but most people don't like them enough to quit their jobs to have enough time to do it, or to eat at 10 pm every night and spend all their non-work waking hours cooking, to the exclusion of everything else.

                                          Or another example - I love good Mexican food. Getting good Mexican food, where I live, involve flying to another country. And yes, I've asked Mexican ex-pats where they recommend, and their answer is that they don't. So sometimes I go out for not-so great Mexican food because it's what's there. [I could cook it at home - if I could buy the right ingredients, which I can't]

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                                  mike0989 RE: LeoLioness Oct 1, 2013 08:29 AM

                                  I’m with you there. Sometimes you choose among what is readily available. It could be time constraints. You don’t feel like go the extra distance for what you’re having. Or, the meal just doesn’t make that much difference for you at that time.

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                                    Perilagu Khan RE: mike0989 Oct 1, 2013 09:00 AM

                                    Quite. Convenience does matter, and it matters often.

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                                  beevod RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 07:57 AM

                                  Most people -- think sitcoms with canned laughter.

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                                    INDIANRIVERFL RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 09:09 AM

                                    Contrived for me is the hamburger joint that all of a sudden starts serving chicken and fish. Billions and billions served.

                                    Mediocre is a place that doesn't have any regional specialties, or prices themselves at or below the median income for the local economy. The definition of the home of Darden. Central Florida.

                                    Or your suburbs. :-)

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                                      SteveRB RE: INDIANRIVERFL Oct 1, 2013 09:33 AM

                                      I'm quite content with this thread.

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                                        kewpie RE: SteveRB Oct 2, 2013 05:48 PM

                                        +1 content also

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                                      Just Visiting RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 11:06 AM

                                      Yes, my mother. My late father. All of their friends. Not everyone thinks that every meal has to be orgasmic. I don't eat out much so I do want very high value for my money but they ate out all the time and were happy with the local diner or chains. Chacun a son gout.

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                                        Gastronomos RE: Just Visiting Oct 4, 2013 09:35 AM

                                        seems like we're surrounded by them....

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                                        saltylady RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 11:10 AM

                                        If every meal is exceptional and wonderful, then when does a great meal remain special? Sometimes , you just want something that is good enough and that provides a comfort to your senses . Then when you eat something fabulous, you really enjoy it even more. For instance If i am going out to a fabulous dinner , i will have a simple average lunch ., maybe even mediocre .Too much of a great thing can reduce the impact of great.

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                                          Gastronomos RE: saltylady Oct 1, 2013 11:45 AM

                                          perhaps you have a point. but if you eat a simple lunch, why can't it be delicious?

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                                            mucho gordo RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 03:19 PM

                                            Most people won't eat anything they don't find delicious. I don't care how simple; if I don't like it, I won't order it. There are plenty of things that are both.

                                        2. Kat RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 12:30 PM

                                          The Olive Garden I pass on my way to the highway is always busy and on weekend nights it is packed to the point of a line out the door. I live in an area where average food is good enough for most and it is next to impossible to find really high quality restaurant food on a regular basis, whether or not it is a donut, sandwich or a splurge meal. Thus, we eat at home during the week and out only on the weekends, when we have time to drive somewhere good.

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                                            Ama658 RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 12:41 PM

                                            Sure, it all depends on WHY I'm going for mediocre or sub-par.
                                            Take coffee--I am totally fine with drinking instant coffee or a nasty convenience store coffee...if I just need a quick, cheap caffeine hit.
                                            But, if I go somewhere that should have a good, barista-pulled shot & end up with burnt crema or something less than great? Not so much. Refunds or remakes, as I paid for the good stuff.
                                            Also, am I out to see an elderly relative? That mediocre diner is her nostalgic place, so we smile & go. Are we out on a nice date? I want quality.
                                            So...yeah. I suppose sometimes I am :)

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                                              Gastronomos RE: Ama658 Oct 1, 2013 01:29 PM

                                              "...am I out to see an elderly relative? That mediocre diner is her nostalgic place"

                                              I too Have to eat at that "mediocre diner" sometimes. But as we "smile and go" I am not "quite content" about the food as I am about the visit. Not the same thing with that "elderly relative" who IS "quite content" with the "mediocre diner".

                                              A recent post of mine about the elderly and it's results:


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                                              autumm RE: Gastronomos Oct 1, 2013 09:11 PM

                                              Sometimes its just food. Tonight the mr was out at a meeting, so it was me and toddler spawn. So we had leftover grilled hot dogs, she had some leftover blue box and I had some salad, and all were happy. (and I had a dark n stormy:), she had milk) Food doesn't have to be all exquisite and "foodie" and unique to be satisfying to the diners. Yes, I know many would consider my dinner to be contrived and mediocre, but it fed us, and kept my kid happy in her high chair for 20 wonderful minutes. (followed with a cup of organic applesauce) The don't serve that an any of those fancy places. Piece of mind for Mommy,

                                              1. Gastronomos RE: Gastronomos Oct 4, 2013 12:16 PM

                                                "the modern food industry has made our need for good food almost inconsequential by making it cheap and plentiful, and disguising the true cost."

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                                                  Harters RE: Gastronomos Oct 4, 2013 01:48 PM

                                                  That could easily be me.

                                                  I like to try new recipes at home. Very many of them turn out to be mediocre and are not worth repeating.

                                                  I have similar experiences with restaurants. In the last 5 years, we've eaten at 300+ restaurants, most within a 60 minute drive from home. When it comes down to how many we really want to go back to, it's around 30 - but I don't regret the other 270, most of which were mediocre.

                                                  1. Bill Hunt RE: Gastronomos Oct 4, 2013 07:58 PM



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