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Master Chef - Junior Edition Premier 9/27/13

breadchick Sep 27, 2013 06:33 PM

So, I normally wouldn't watch a show like this, as I am not fond of the cooking with kids theme. I have to say this though - either those kids were coached REALLY well, or they're better than some adults competing on this show. Perhaps a bit of each.

I'll watch to see what they come up with next, so I'm hooked.

For now.

  1. Firegoat Nov 4, 2013 09:51 AM

    Well maybe not Applebees, but you can get a crostini anywhere.

    Maybe if he had made the bread. I mean, 50% of that dish was bread.

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    1. re: Firegoat
      sockii Nov 5, 2013 09:32 AM

      The fact that he was shown meticulously cleaning the livers in the edit tells me he sure as heck was coached on that dish. No 13 year old kid who has never cooked chicken liver, makes faces about not liking it/never tasting it, is going to not only say "Hey I'm going to make classic chicken liver crostini" but know how to clean and prep the livers.

      And seriously it really is a cop-out/basic dish to make with that ingredient. I would have been more impressed with some fresh-made pasta in a chicken liver sauce, something/anything other than crostini.

      1. re: sockii
        The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 09:42 AM

        Maybe the part about never having cooked or eaten chicken livers was untrue, playing it up for dramatic effect.


        1. re: The Dairy Queen
          girloftheworld Nov 5, 2013 05:05 PM

          maybe they left out the part where he said " i have never cooked or eaten chicken livers (edit) so I am glad that the staff chef took me aside testerday and showed me how to be prepared in case this came up" somehow this would shatted the illusion....

          me? if I had been given chicken livers I would have been tempted to do a dirty rice... in that amount of time not really long enough to get coax a good flavor out of a pate and fried would be a bit like Daras tailgate...

          1. re: girloftheworld
            The Dairy Queen Nov 5, 2013 11:38 PM

            Maybe. Of course, we'll never know! But when he said, "I've never eaten chicken livers" my BS detector went off. I don't believe that of this particular kid.


    2. LindaWhit Nov 2, 2013 07:52 AM

      So it seems as if any interest in this show has died a slow death. I've been watching, and I'll finish the season. Don't know if I'll watch any additional seasons, should they actually be filmed.

      Soft-boiled eggs - I've never made them, as I prefer fried eggs. Troy's comes closest to being a properly soft-boiled egg. So he gets the advantage to pick and choose what chicken part goes to which kid.

      Alexander was given the chicken liver by Troy, and he thought he would be packing to go home. Dara got chicken wings, and Troy gave Jack the easiest chicken part - the breast. Troy took chicken thigh, but he ended botching his Elimination challenge dish by undercooking the chicken thigh, presenting raw chicken that couldn't be tasted. So he literally wasn't even mentioned by the others in the confessionals as to who was the competition.

      Alexander hit it out of the park with his chicken liver paté on garlic crostini, and Dara did well with her lollipop chicken wings (and her plating was great). Jack's chicken roulade stuffed with goat cheese and sun-dried tomatoes and wrapped in prosciutto looked pretty good.

      One more week and it's done - Alexander and Dara are the final two. As I said when I first watched - it's Alexander's to lose.

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      1. re: LindaWhit
        Firegoat Nov 2, 2013 08:05 AM

        I watched this episode on hulu this morning. Troy messed up. But even if he hadn't, the whole olives on his plate were off -putting to me.
        I thought Dara's plate looked delicious. Jack's plate reminded me of banquet food. How Alexander got in with a basic crostini appetizer I have no idea. No imagination. A small step up from applebee's.

        1. re: Firegoat
          LindaWhit Nov 2, 2013 08:15 AM

          I agree Dara's plate was the most stylized. As for Alexander's plate - you can get chicken liver paté crostini at Applebees? They're more the fried onion rings or fried mozzarella cheese sticks and tomato sauce dip or nachos kind of place.

          1. re: Firegoat
            melpy Nov 3, 2013 10:36 AM

            I think Alexander got in based on total performance. The crostini was ok but overall I though based on the chicken performance only it should have been Jack and Dara. I really thought try might let all three in for the next round.

          2. re: LindaWhit
            Worldwide Diner Nov 2, 2013 09:31 AM

            Troy really screwed up. I would say thighs are the easiest because you basically can't over cook them. He could've cooked more than 1, cut one open to see if it's done.

            Dara did fried wings. How is that a restaurant quality dish, other than at a take-out a Chinese restaurant?

            1. re: Worldwide Diner
              melpy Nov 3, 2013 10:37 AM

              That's what I thought too. Perhaps braising would have been smarter.

            2. re: LindaWhit
              HillJ Nov 2, 2013 01:25 PM

              I haven't missed an episode and I wanted Jack to win. I haven't felt overly critical of the show. Frankly I found the playful nature of each judge under MCJr. more enjoyable than all the drama the adult version carries. I didn't know what to expect from MC Jr but I've been entertained.

              I don't care if Dara or Alexander win. I'll watch the final show and move on to the next program that comes along.

              1. re: HillJ
                LindaWhit Nov 2, 2013 04:33 PM

                HillJ, I agree with the more playful feeling from the 3 judges in MCJr. But it's "reality TV'. So any drama that is generated in any show will be continued.

                1. re: LindaWhit
                  HillJ Nov 2, 2013 05:40 PM

                  You're right. I'm probably alone in my opinion about the overall 'drama' of most 'reality tv' shows because the drama is my least favorite part of contestant type shows. I expected some of the Jr. contestants to get upset on camera over losing a challenge or leaving the show but drama like what went on with the last Master Chef (adult) was just ridiculous playing to the camera distraction.

                2. re: HillJ
                  melpy Nov 3, 2013 10:39 AM

                  I agree that the judges were much more enjoyable than the original incarnation of the show.

                  1. re: melpy
                    CindyJ Nov 4, 2013 08:22 PM

                    Agreed! And I think the kids are much better sports than the adult contestants.

                3. re: LindaWhit
                  girloftheworld Nov 2, 2013 06:30 PM

                  I am trying to keep watching.. but it is hard
                  " I have never made a softboiled egg" shhhhesss
                  you sing the ABCs four times for the perfect soft boiled egg
                  that is basic

                  and a roulade--- hello 1991 called they want their Taste of Home winner back

                  Note--none of these dishes were very imaginative. and Dara could have put grilled cheese and Alexander could have made liver stirfry with corn on the plate and made it into the final two because that is what the script called for.

                  1. re: girloftheworld
                    melpy Nov 3, 2013 10:41 AM

                    I think the lack of modern food but it for Jack and I agree it was obviously rigged.

                    1. re: girloftheworld
                      mr99203 Nov 4, 2013 10:10 AM

                      I just timed myself singing it and it only took 20 seconds! Are there verses I'm not aware of?

                      Seriously I've never been a soft boiled egg person and I've been playing with them since I watched this… Yum! I'm settling on 5 minutes for a cold-from-the-refrigerator egg, nice runny yolk over an almost burnt piece of grainy toast (that's another ongoing discussion here).

                      1. re: mr99203
                        girloftheworld Nov 4, 2013 03:07 PM

                        Well you cant sing the punk rock version.. and you have to sing it four times

                        1. re: girloftheworld
                          melpy Nov 5, 2013 02:56 PM

                          Four times. One minute fourteen seconds.

                          1. re: melpy
                            girloftheworld Nov 5, 2013 04:59 PM

                            your are fast.... it should be about three minutes 1/2

                        2. re: mr99203
                          DGresh Nov 6, 2013 09:43 AM

                          For me, straight from the fridge, 4 minutes 20 seconds for my perfect egg. I also prick the end with a thumbtack. I always peel the top shell off; I'll have to try the horizontal knife slicing next time.

                      2. re: LindaWhit
                        sockii Nov 3, 2013 10:21 AM

                        Had no doubts it would be Alexander and Dara in the finale as that seemed scripted in from the start. But I really thought Jack should have made it, moreso than Alexander.

                        I mean, I would certainly NOT call chicken liver crostini and "Applebees appetizer", but it's NOT that hard to make properly. Yes, it was nicely plated in a restaurant style, but so were all of them. And don't tell me Alexander wasn't heavily coached in how to make that; a kid who doesn't eat chicken livers (most of them don't) aren't going to know how to make that or even probably know what a traditional app that is.

                        I thought Jack showed a lot of technical finesse in managing to make that roulade and getting it cooked through. But clearly it wasn't in the script for him to win or be in the final battle.

                      3. CindyJ Oct 31, 2013 04:13 PM

                        People, people... have you forgotten that, above all else, this show is about entertainment value! Watching little Sara cry is no different from watching little Shirley Temple cry. It's Our Gang reinvented for today's reality show audience.

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                        1. re: CindyJ
                          HillJ Oct 31, 2013 04:22 PM

                          With better pork chops & applesauce
                          Jelly and bread!

                          Funny, CindyJ

                          1. re: CindyJ
                            LindaWhit Oct 31, 2013 05:30 PM

                            I'd feel sympathy for Shirley Temple in her roles.

                            None for Sara for her over-emoting.

                          2. LindaWhit Oct 29, 2013 04:56 PM

                            So - I finally got to watch the episode from Friday, 10/25. A Restaurant Wars ep? REALLY? Come on. The far-fetchedness is getting worse and worse.

                            And Troy, bullies his teammates (even though he's not team captain), and gets through to the semi-finals. And Sara's crying jag at the end was rather overwrought.

                            I'll continue watching, but don't expect to watch an MCJr2, if it ever happens.

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                            1. re: LindaWhit
                              girloftheworld Oct 29, 2013 05:11 PM

                              "And Sara's crying jag at the end was rather overwrought."

                              well again there is some continuity promblems here as well. she is wailing ..then dry..then a bit red to wailing. with in what is supouse to be the same two minutes.

                            2. Firegoat Oct 29, 2013 06:40 AM

                              I just watched a few episodes and already can't stand the constant... "You're only X years old!" over and over and over ad nauseum. We get it. It is called Masterchef Junior. You don't have to beat us over the head with it constantly.

                              1. girloftheworld Oct 25, 2013 06:49 PM

                                they really need to do a better job with continuity.. because now the "young chefs" knife cuts dont even match up with what is being shown on the plates. The sauce viscosity in the pan was not even close to what the chef showed them...and I have a question about somebody who says " I learned a lot I think I will be nowcooking when I go home" I would think you would be saying something like " I learned a lot.It made me love cooking more. I know now that is something for sure I want to do forever" or " I know I will keep cooking" But he sounded like someone who had juuuuuusssst learned to cook and was taking a new skill home.

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                                1. re: girloftheworld
                                  Worldwide Diner Oct 25, 2013 07:03 PM

                                  It looked like Graham was back there seasoning and cooking. The kids' skills are overblown.

                                  1. re: girloftheworld
                                    DGresh Oct 28, 2013 09:44 AM

                                    In the "restaurant take over" Sarah really showed her age. My kids are now late teens, but I sure remember that stubborness when told "don't do that!". It was certainly time for her to go.

                                    1. re: girloftheworld
                                      scubadoo97 Oct 28, 2013 01:50 PM

                                      I was and I'm still skeptical about how much coaching and help they got. On the first episode some of those plates put me to shame in presentation and knife skills. One of the reasons I quit watching. I did catch the episode of the layer cakes though.

                                      1. re: scubadoo97
                                        girloftheworld Oct 29, 2013 03:38 PM

                                        this weeks recipes will include uni, diver scalops, and crab cakes. The production staff thinks it will look reallllly good if we have tense moment if Alexander can not crack open the crab shells so lets have him choose crab..
                                        gather the kids into a room pair them with thier staff chef learn the recipe they are suppouse to come up with
                                        the reality part comes when Gordon says " have you ever had sardines like this?" they can say " no never"
                                        "wow how did you come up with this?" " i dont know I just did" of ourse you dont know becuse you didnt come up with it..

                                    2. d
                                      DGresh Oct 20, 2013 11:39 AM

                                      Am watching the 10/18 episode. Dara (?) is constantly looking in the oven at her blue cheese souffles and I'm getting skeeved out by her putting her hands on the floor. Over and over again. Does she wash her hands?

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                                      1. re: DGresh
                                        Worldwide Diner Oct 20, 2013 01:39 PM

                                        Asians are taught not to ever wash their hands.

                                        I'm just kidding, btw, I'm Asian.

                                      2. w
                                        Worldwide Diner Oct 18, 2013 07:44 PM

                                        Why does that girl wear those huge glasses? She totally broke down and Gordo had to get her back on her feet. It wouldn't have been fair to the other kids if she got to stay.

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                                        1. re: Worldwide Diner
                                          LindaWhit Oct 18, 2013 08:11 PM

                                          And Sara continues to over-act, such as falling to her knees when she won the Mystery Box challenge.

                                          I figured it would be the two boys who were staying while the girls left.

                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                            girloftheworld Oct 18, 2013 09:09 PM

                                            soooo I as I prepare to go pedal my condements and popcorn at a "young bussiness persons" fair ..I watch these anttics and I just think to myself reallllllllly? Someone please convince that in the long run the shortcut would not have been worth it... somehow somewhere being on this show is the road most traveled and it will not make allllllll the difference to these ..these _________(insert any adjective that would be approved by monitors yet show my displeasure) kids.

                                            1. re: girloftheworld
                                              DGresh Oct 19, 2013 03:12 AM

                                              I think a couple of them may be "successful" for another 20 minutes or so doing exactly what they are doing-- meaning, not in the food world, but in the reality tv food world. Think how many chefs you see recycled through chopped, chef hunter, next food network star, ....... Though I hope that "kid chefs" does not really become a franchise.

                                              1. re: girloftheworld
                                                The Dairy Queen Oct 19, 2013 03:28 AM

                                                Short-cut to what?


                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                  girloftheworld Oct 19, 2013 08:12 PM

                                                  to.."chefdom"..I don't know really... I think I am being a baby...I didnt think I would be... but I was kind of hoping I was going to have more of a " Sooooo glad I dodged a bullet" feeling.

                                                  I really like what Alexander puts out. But I think they pulled some punches with him last episode not only on his cake but on his fennel sauce.

                                                  And I dont understand what was so thrilling about a fried sardine.

                                                  1. re: girloftheworld
                                                    The Dairy Queen Oct 20, 2013 03:28 AM

                                                    First of all, I suppose it depends on what kind of chef you want to be. There are plenty of hard-working, talented, lauded chefs (and I define chef as someone who is in charge of a restaurant kitchen) who never appear on a single reality TV/competition type show. None of the best chefs in my home town, for instance, ever appear in these slobbery, drooling for TV fame competition shows like Top Chef. It looks like the recent edition of Top Chef snared an airport chef from MSP. I'm sure she's a fine chef and works hard at her craft, but she's hardly the "top" of the food scene here.

                                                    Honestly, I don't think Masterchef Junior will be anyone's short-cut to chefdom. Face it, it doesn't much appear that even the Masterchef "Senior" or Food Network Star has been much of a short-cut to chefdom. If you look at all of these amateur competition shows, what really becomes of these people? Yes, there is prize money and I suppose that could most certainly seed a cheffy-type operation.... and I suppose the exposure could help you attract money if you were out there trying to pull together a restaurant. But, usually its a cookbook that fades away or a tv show that fades away. Honestly, I think that these contestants are just fodder. And should you have any interesting recipes, they wring those out of you for a measly cookbook or 6 episode tv show, then cast you aside. No one seems to be becoming a legitimate chef as far as I know, though I can't honestly say I've been tracking these people. Are there a bunch of genuine success stories out there I just don't know about?

                                                    But mostly I think its a spotlight that only shines on you until the next season, and then you're old news.

                                                    I think one reason you don't feel as much as you expected to bullet-dodging-wise is that, again, you're only seeing the edited version of all of this. I'll bet if you keep reminding yourself how demeaning and grueling and phony it is, you'd feel better.

                                                    I do think there's a connection to these three chefs that you might be missing out on, but after so many season of MC and MC Junior, how solid are these connections anyway? If you randomly reached out to Gordon five years from now for some kind of assistance, would he even remember anyone from one of the shows?

                                                    And, yes, Alexander got the soft touch this time, didn't he?

                                                    I've never fried a sardine. :)


                                              2. re: LindaWhit
                                                breadchick Oct 19, 2013 08:00 PM

                                                So right with the over-acting. Enough camera on her while in the loft with the face and thumbs up stuff.

                                                I told my husband they boys were staying and the girls were going. That is a bit typical with these competitions, it seems to me. "Girl's gotta go" is the phrase I always use.

                                                1. re: breadchick
                                                  SusieQQ Oct 21, 2013 04:21 AM

                                                  I am so tired of the Sara emphasize. They are obviously encouraging the drama and setting her up for the win. It is bad enough to make me stop watching! Enough already!

                                              3. re: Worldwide Diner
                                                breadchick Oct 19, 2013 07:54 PM

                                                I thought, also, that Gordo have her a leg up - but then she went home anyway.

                                                About the glasses. I also have a pair similar, and it's because I have a big head. Versace, black, and I love them. Get compliments on them all the time. (Works well with my silver white cropped hair.)

                                                I wish I had her style when I was a wee thing. Jeez, and to get back to cooking - all of their talent!

                                                1. re: breadchick
                                                  Kajikit Oct 21, 2013 04:55 PM

                                                  I thought it was good that they are giving the kids some help and not leaving them to melt down entirely... they're KIDS, not adults. BTW, those layer cakes looked like they were made by kids too... none of them were showroom perfect, even the two that were raved over as complete successes.

                                              4. b
                                                breadchick Oct 13, 2013 07:10 AM

                                                BTW, feel free to start a new discussion per episode - so we don't have to scroll down this one forever.

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                                                1. re: breadchick
                                                  melpy Oct 17, 2013 04:42 AM

                                                  Seems like very few people are watching/commenting, so it is understandable why there is one thread. I just don't want to miss out if it does open in a new thread later.

                                                2. k
                                                  kseiverd Oct 13, 2013 06:20 AM

                                                  Watched Rachel/Guy kid thing... didn't like how these KIDS got all snarky and eye-rolling. Haven't seen this of MC Jr... yet??

                                                  Really would have NO problem with kids having recipes or even being shown HOW to prepare dishes... as long as they actually did cooking on their own. Find it a BIT hard to believe that EVERY beef Wellington was cooked perfectly to temp (only bad comment was too much salt on one)... thinking "someone" it saying... put in oven NOW, take out NOW??

                                                  I think having actual eliminations is a GOOD thing. Not everybody WINS every time.

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                                                  1. re: kseiverd
                                                    HillJ Oct 13, 2013 07:46 AM

                                                    The MCJr Australia is by far the more instructional on camera. I was also hoping the US version would show their contestants process far more.

                                                  2. HillJ Oct 12, 2013 03:39 PM

                                                    Did they really need to include beef wellington? Every show Ramsay appears in: beef wellington!!! Sure some of the contestants did what appeared to be a good job at it but good grief I'm sick and tired of seeing that dish. I liked the tag team idea during the challenge. I like seeing Joe smile.

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                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                      zillabreeze Oct 12, 2013 05:10 PM

                                                      I know what you mean. It's not that difficult to start. And... how about risotto and scallops??? So much out there to challenge other than these 3 over & over.

                                                      1. re: HillJ
                                                        DGresh Oct 13, 2013 02:43 AM

                                                        And isn't the idea of Beef Wellington as the epitome of "fine dining" so 1965? Does anyone today really swoon over this dish?

                                                        1. re: DGresh
                                                          Worldwide Diner Oct 13, 2013 05:09 AM

                                                          It's Gordo's signature dish. I would probably order it at least once if I ever visit on of his restaurants.

                                                          1. re: Worldwide Diner
                                                            breadchick Oct 13, 2013 07:06 AM

                                                            So, WWD, you want to wait forever for your dish?

                                                            Ha, because the kitchen will be doing it over, and over, and over, and over. Why? Because it's RAW. It's BURNED. It didn't include scallops and risotto.

                                                            Three things I would avoid in his restos are: beef Wellington, scallops, and risotto - only because I'd have flashbacks!

                                                          2. re: DGresh
                                                            HillJ Oct 13, 2013 07:46 AM

                                                            Do the Jr's even know the history of this dish?

                                                          3. re: HillJ
                                                            The Dairy Queen Oct 13, 2013 05:13 AM

                                                            I think they're trying to make the kids feel like they are being treated just like the adults. It would be sad if they didn't get to try the B.W. since, as you point out, EVERY Ramsay show must include it.


                                                            1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                              DGresh Oct 13, 2013 05:17 AM

                                                              Did anyone notice that one team got dinged for the mustard being put on cold (that it made the dish salty) and Alexander and Troy did the same thing but somehow it didn't hurt the dish? Also, I'd like some explanation of why some puff pastry ended up soggy and others didn't.

                                                              1. re: DGresh
                                                                HillJ Oct 13, 2013 07:44 AM

                                                                Yes I did catch that, good call, DG. Bias? Editing? Judges get bored easily?

                                                                1. re: DGresh
                                                                  Worldwide Diner Oct 13, 2013 01:05 PM

                                                                  Gordo came by and told Alex to put the mustard on before it got cold.

                                                                2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                  HillJ Oct 13, 2013 07:46 AM

                                                                  Ha, I'd rather be proven wrong :)

                                                              2. w
                                                                Worldwide Diner Oct 5, 2013 05:56 AM

                                                                Didn't see the first episode but in the second episode, I thought the mystery boxes would be challenging until they revealed the main ingredients as steak and shrimp, and I believe only 1 kid cooked shrimp. And then elimination is burgers, fish sticks, or buffalo wings? Why would any kid cook a turkey burger in a competition?

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                                                                1. re: Worldwide Diner
                                                                  HillJ Oct 5, 2013 06:00 AM

                                                                  Given the sheer number of ingredients, I thought that's where the challenge came in for the mystery box round. The Jr. who cooked the turkey burger said he liked them, I'm guessing that's why...and, apparently the raw ground in the MC pantry included beef, pork & turkey Just like the Jr. who cooked the burger a bit too well done and Ramsay asked him why. Cooking to your own taste as opposed to the judges (as Ramsay pointed out) appeared to me to be the answer in both cases. Maybe most of the Jr.'s like meat more than fish?

                                                                  1. re: Worldwide Diner
                                                                    HillJ Oct 5, 2013 06:02 AM

                                                                    WorldD, if you want to see Epi 1, it's on the show's site. I also didn't catch the full first episode when it aired. Some of the Jrs who didn't make it were also interesting.

                                                                  2. HillJ Oct 4, 2013 12:41 PM

                                                                    Joe & 2 of the Jr. contestants are on the Katie C. show right now. I'm looking forward to the 2nd episode.

                                                                    I'm a bit surprised by some of the comments here so far. Isn't the show's aim to entertain us? If the judges were too delicate in their approach, we'd jump on them for being too soft. Lots of instruction goes on behind the scenes and during taping, just like the adult version. Some of these young people do have modest credentials.

                                                                    I did not catch the beginning of episode 1. What is the prize for the winning Jr. chef?

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                                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                                      HillJ Oct 4, 2013 04:57 PM


                                                                      The video of Ramsay with some of the Jr. contestants is kind of adorable. The kids call Ramsay out on yelling, cursing and being mean.

                                                                      1. re: HillJ
                                                                        HillJ Oct 4, 2013 08:39 PM


                                                                        There are a number of behind the scenes videos that appear on YouTube. Kinda interesting to see the young contestants raw nerves and excitement over the actual tapings. Sounds like they feed the crew and practiced quite a bit beforehand.

                                                                        A wiki page is already up:

                                                                      2. re: HillJ
                                                                        HillJ Oct 4, 2013 05:00 PM

                                                                        Answer: The eventual winner earns $100,000.

                                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                                          girloftheworld Oct 4, 2013 05:23 PM

                                                                          or 36,758.94 after taxes and fees

                                                                          1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                            The Dairy Queen Oct 4, 2013 06:04 PM



                                                                            1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                              HillJ Oct 4, 2013 06:07 PM

                                                                              Prize money. The tax rate for prize money is 30-percent on the amount won. Fees on any prize gifts (like Notebooks, aprons).

                                                                              1. re: HillJ
                                                                                The Dairy Queen Oct 4, 2013 09:05 PM

                                                                                Yes, I'm quite familiar with what a tax is and how it might apply to prize winnings. What I'm trying to understand is what a fee that is different than a tax might be. A fee levied by someone other than a taxing authority and, if so, by whom? By MasterChef itself? Like they are charging you for your apron or materials or something insane like that?

                                                                                ETA: oh, I see gotw has remarked below that she was commenting generally about taxes and fees and not about something she knows about masterchef in particular.


                                                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                  HillJ Oct 4, 2013 09:14 PM

                                                                                  Are you objecting to my reply? You asked Fees? I tried to answer. Let me try again.

                                                                                  Fees on prizes supplied by sponsors of MCJr. as I noted above to answer that part of your question. Standard rules of any contest applies tax and fees on luxury winnings and luxury prizes. Sponsored items don't always mean FREE. Sometimes the only part that's free or discounted is product placement; not the actual item. Really varies.

                                                                                  Or, it could be the fee to enter the contest in some cases. Maybe girlof can answer if that kind of fee applied to auditioning.

                                                                                  Most contests list their rules of play quite clearly.

                                                                                  1. re: HillJ
                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Oct 4, 2013 09:35 PM

                                                                                    LOL HillJ. No, I'm not objecting to your reply but I'm am confused by our asynchronous communication here especially because you and I have both edited our comments and it's difficult to tell which points we are trying to respond to each other on.

                                                                                    Really, I was just trying to ask gotw to expand on what specific fees she might be aware of for MasterChef. I was curious if MasterChef was charging the kids for their aprons or something like that. She has replied that she was just making a general remark.

                                                                                    So, I'm going to move on, especially since this is a food board, not a taxation board. :)


                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                      HillJ Oct 4, 2013 09:40 PM

                                                                                      I'm just as curious and not seeing the necessity to be dismissive in any way. How the 'game' is played included the prize is certainly part of the show & part of acceptable discussion under Food Media.

                                                                                      1. re: HillJ
                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Oct 4, 2013 09:55 PM

                                                                                        Sorry, I didn't realize you were also interested. I feared I was just nerding out on everyone. While I am not in any way a tax expert, the way I interpret "taxes and fees" in a more general competition/prize setting might be if you win a car on a TV game show, obviously you are going to be responsible for paying income taxes on the value of the car you've won, but you're also going to be responsible for paying the licensing and registration fees on the vehicle. I was just trying to imagine how that sort of thing might apply to MasterChef.


                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                          HillJ Oct 4, 2013 09:58 PM

                                                                                          I do know hotel fees (accommodations), travel expenses, entry fees, licensing fees can be passed onto contestants. I'd be interested to know given minors are vying for winning $100K what is being applied to this show.

                                                                                          1. re: HillJ
                                                                                            HillJ Oct 4, 2013 10:02 PM

                                                                                            When MC Jr Australia airs much is written about the contract and the parts you noted (on the US appl).



                                                                                            1. re: HillJ
                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Oct 4, 2013 10:14 PM

                                                                                              Oh that contract's even worse! They own you "throughout the universe," in perpetuity. MC merely owns the American contestants throughout the world. So, you know, if we eventually colonize Mars the America kids can own themselves again. Not the Aussies, though.

                                                                                              In perpetuity just seems like an awfully long time when you're talking about an eight year old.


                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                HillJ Oct 4, 2013 10:16 PM

                                                                                                Yep..and yet, there it is..and parents signed.

                                                                                                1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Oct 4, 2013 10:28 PM

                                                                                                  I keep typing out a reply and then backspacing over it. I don't think I have anything useful to say other than "I suppose this" and "I wonder that" and should probably go to bed.

                                                                                                  So, totally changing topics.

                                                                                                  My husband thinks the blonde 8 year old girl is a ringer. (ETA: sorry, she's 9. But, she's from Culver City. Probably more of an aspiring actress than an aspiring cook. Maybe she was just hoping the cabbage could convincingly play the part of lettuce.)

                                                                                                  I'm a sucker for eyes-peeking-over the boxes shots, but, honestly, I'm totally grossed about by the little step stools the kids are standing on, then dragging around the kitchen with their hands. Seems unsanitary to me. And, really, couldn't they offer something more permanent for the duration of the competition, maybe construct some risers for the season or something? I can't imagine being flustered and in a hurry and try to use a sharp knife or fry while standing on one of those little step stools. The nervous nellie in me thinks that's not really safe.


                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                    HillJ Oct 5, 2013 05:13 AM

                                                                                                    I grew up using a step stool at my Great Grandmother's, Grandmother's and Aunties stove (my Mom used the kitchen table for every prep) and I never fell...not once :) The use of the step stool seemed nothing more than practical and reminded me of how many children learn this way. Some of the shots in the pantry without a stool left the Jr's unable to reach the top shelf...

                                                                                                    I think the Jrs are all interesting in their own way. I do find myself wondering about the contracts, legal side of these types of contests, ie: what contestants are asked to do. sometimes but as a viewer I want to be entertained and go along for the ride.

                                                                                                    When Frank went upstairs and had his mocktail I kep thinking, Frank don't step too close to the metal ramp you might fall. Ha! Nervous nellie in most parents :)

                                                                                  2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                    C. Hamster Oct 6, 2013 05:07 PM

                                                                                    I was my friend's helper on Deal or No Deal.

                                                                                    Helped her win $100k.

                                                                                    The very first thing off stage was the tax paperwork. After taxes she got about 60. A few went to me:-)

                                                                                    1. re: C. Hamster
                                                                                      rockycat Oct 7, 2013 05:53 AM

                                                                                      Yes, I was a winner on a popular game show.about (cough, cough) 20-ish years ago. Taxes came right off the top. I had to pay 4 sets of taxes that year - Federal, the state where I had lived most of that year, the state I moved to 1 week before taping, and California, where the show was taped. So the accountants got their share, too. Taxes took about one-third of the winnings. My grad school got the rest.

                                                                                2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                  girloftheworld Oct 4, 2013 06:18 PM

                                                                                  I dont know I always see it in the small print....on contests

                                                                                  "taxes and fees are the responsiblity of the winner"

                                                                                  1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Oct 4, 2013 09:16 PM

                                                                                    Oh, okay, so you're not specifically aware of fees that might apply to this competition, but making a general, casual remark. Sorry, my nerdy curiosity got the best of me there. There's probably no one else on chowhound curious about fees and taxes. No need to explain further. :)


                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                      HillJ Oct 4, 2013 09:22 PM

                                                                                      What? What the heck are you talking about. You asked and I tried to answer. I tried twice. You slay me TDQ. You really do.

                                                                                      What I wasn't trying to be is a smartass.

                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                        HillJ Oct 4, 2013 09:34 PM


                                                                                        Here's the MC application with rules as they apply. Could some of those rules (for adults) apply to MC Jr? Maybe.

                                                                                        And I have questions too. Like do contestants pay for their own living accommodations while on the show?

                                                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Oct 4, 2013 09:47 PM

                                                                                          Wow. I did a pdf search on that document and, strangely, the word "tax" never even appears in that document! It's kind of shocking, actually, that they don't specifically mention that participants would be responsible for the taxes on any winnings. But, I'm sure they've got some high-powered attorneys, so I'm not going to worry for them. Perhaps my pdf search tool isn't working or something, but I'm too tired to read that document carefully.

                                                                                          But, item #10 on page 9 kind of shocks me. Even if you aren't selected as a participant on the program, they own all of the rights to everything you submit to them (including your recipes) during the application and production process "throughout the world in perpetuity".

                                                                                          Kind of greedy of them.


                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                            HillJ Oct 4, 2013 09:50 PM

                                                                                            Interesting isn't it. That's after five seasons; wonder what year one looked like. And it's only the application for an audition. You filled it out and sent it with the tape. If you were selected you rec'd the documents where words like tax, prize winnings, contract and legally binding are much more prominent and lengthy in design.

                                                                                            I'd love to see what the parents & guardians signed for MC Jr.

                                                                                            1. re: HillJ
                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Oct 4, 2013 10:04 PM

                                                                                              It seems really unequal, what they demand you give up in exchange for the opportunity to compete. I guess people figure the experience, the exposure, and the possible $100K would be enough. But, really, what does $100K (and only about a third of that after taxes) get a kid in this day and age? That wouldn't even pay for one year at say, Stanford. What does culinary school cost? Would it pay for a year of culinary school, even? I mean, I'm sure it would make a nice savings fund towards college, but it's not life changing.

                                                                                              I think the kids would be better off pursuing scholarships, although, I don't know, maybe the exposure really might get them somewhere. It's the kind of thing that everyone has to decide for themselves if it's worth it, I guess, but I'm not sure it is. At least, so far, none of the kids are being made to look especially bad so they aren't being subjected to that particular downside the way the adults are.


                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                HillJ Oct 4, 2013 10:12 PM

                                                                                                Hard to say. The outcomes from other types of talent shows on tv have run the gamut in results or furthering careers. I think if a young person has the ambition and drive from an early age and already have particular leanings towards a specific field, and their parents/guardians are on the RIGHT page about supporting those dreams-why not give McJr a try.

                                                                                                Honestly so much passes as credentials nowadays and college isn't the answer (if it ever was) for everyone. Without knowing if being on the show is a financial investment beyond the norm, I can't really say.

                                                                                                But I put 4 kids through college & grad school and they still have had to pay their dues.

                                                                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                  HillJ Oct 4, 2013 10:14 PM

                                                                                                  And I agree so far the show is not going out of its way to berate the Jr contestants. And fwiw, I'm enjoying a lighter, less blowhard vers. of this show.

                                                                                    2. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                      HillJ Oct 4, 2013 06:04 PM

                                                                                      Smart girl!...and don't forget about that trophy!

                                                                                      What did you think about tonight's episode?

                                                                                      1. re: HillJ
                                                                                        girloftheworld Oct 4, 2013 06:17 PM

                                                                                        I dont like Jewels-I think she is an anything to be on TV girl..
                                                                                        I like ALexander( though i think he is getting my "cut".. as we both have the chubby cheek thing going on and are 13 and 'serious') I I was relieved to see the parents were not in the peanut gallery.
                                                                                        still seeing bad knife work and mixing up cabbage and lettuce???? Still a bit precious..the eyes peeking over the boxes and such is a bit much.
                                                                                        I am thinking Sofia is our dark horse she will come out as a contender in the next few episodes
                                                                                        I am glad to see them becoming a bit more honest with the critiques but if it had been an adult you know darn well it would have gone down more like " I never like turkey burgers and yours just reminded me why i dont like turkey burgers"
                                                                                        What some of them did to a filet was sad...

                                                                                        1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                          HillJ Oct 4, 2013 06:33 PM

                                                                                          Some really good catches there, girlof.
                                                                                          I liked what Frank did the first round and he was my pick. But, I wanted Frank to pick Joe's wings and 'sauce' over the burger.
                                                                                          I agree we saw some real failures (stuffed processed cheese, Asian burger) and the criticism to go with.
                                                                                          I liked seeing Joe smile.
                                                                                          I'm with you on the parents being nowhere in sight.
                                                                                          What did you think of the use of Skype for recipe help?
                                                                                          Some of those dishes really looked wonderful tonight. The plating and sauce inspiration had me taking notes!

                                                                                          1. re: HillJ
                                                                                            girloftheworld Oct 4, 2013 06:43 PM

                                                                                            Skype- lol...Oh such a shock and suprise. just pull out a tablet and be able to establish a skype connection.and everyone was availabe!!!!!

                                                                                            1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                              HillJ Oct 4, 2013 07:15 PM

                                                                                              What, you have a 'problem' (lol) with the magic of television?

                                                                                          2. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                            Worldwide Diner Oct 4, 2013 07:57 PM

                                                                                            Jewels is annoying. Know it all little snot.

                                                                                            1. re: Worldwide Diner
                                                                                              girloftheworld Oct 4, 2013 08:05 PM

                                                                                              Look at the website..she is the only one with a "prop" in her picture.

                                                                                              somehow I am thinking she had a private cheftutor before auditioning....

                                                                                              and what was with the smashing down(drying) of those meatloaf sized burgers with none of them being raw in the middle?

                                                                                              Alexander for the win

                                                                                            2. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                              LindaWhit Oct 4, 2013 08:25 PM

                                                                                              Sarah is WAY too aware of the camera. Lots of hair fluffing going on.

                                                                                              Agree with the eyes peeking over the box thing being too cutesy. And Joe B. is being rather sweet and nice, for the most part. He even smiled.

                                                                                              I'm thinking it's Alexander's to lose. The kid's got amazing cooking chops.

                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                girloftheworld Oct 5, 2013 07:34 AM

                                                                                                I would love to cook with him..we could put out an amzing dinner party..

                                                                                                1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                  DGresh Oct 11, 2013 01:53 PM

                                                                                                  Oh yeah, that hair fluff in the second episode was damn annoying. And I also find Jack annoying, but that sort of "hamming" I always find irritating in children. Alexander seems like a nice, talented kid.

                                                                                                  1. re: DGresh
                                                                                                    girloftheworld Oct 11, 2013 03:16 PM

                                                                                                    New quote from my mother " what is this? could it be ? A chef crush on somebody age aproprite? I will track him down like dog the bounty hunter!"

                                                                                                    i think I blushing too much to roll my eyes

                                                                                                2. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                  Worldwide Diner Oct 11, 2013 06:27 PM

                                                                                                  The 40 year old trapped in a teenagers body is gone! Now I can click my heels 3 times and wish little Jack falls off the beanstalk. Those two seems the most coached for TV. And little Sara, stop screaming whip it like a man. It was funny when the little girl on Airplane said I take it black like my men. Telling a little kid to whip cream liked a man is bizarre. Is there a double entendre there?

                                                                                                  1. re: Worldwide Diner
                                                                                                    DGresh Oct 12, 2013 03:02 AM

                                                                                                    You mean Molly as the 40 year old? I just saw her as a tall, awkward teenage girl, as so many are. Perhaps she shows her emotions on her sleeve more than most, but I didn't see her as inauthentic. Jack and Sarah on the other hand....

                                                                                                    1. re: DGresh
                                                                                                      Worldwide Diner Oct 12, 2013 05:12 AM

                                                                                                      I meant Jewel.

                                                                                                    2. re: Worldwide Diner
                                                                                                      LindaWhit Oct 12, 2013 04:54 AM

                                                                                                      Sarah is WAY over the top. I was wincing with the "whip it like a man!" screaming at the top of her lungs. Perhaps this is where the show begins to take that left turn for "MORE DRAMAHHHHH!"

                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Oct 12, 2013 05:09 AM

                                                                                                        She's hard to watch. Some of Jack's antics, too.


                                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                          girloftheworld Oct 12, 2013 11:50 AM

                                                                                                          Jack is like watching a middle school play and he was cast play Uncle Morty in Everbody Comes To Shabbat

                                                                                                        2. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                          breadchick Oct 12, 2013 11:20 AM

                                                                                                          Couldn't agree more, Linda.

                                                                                                          I was cringing over that screaming, and it seemed to me that she must have gotten the reaction she wanted, because she kept it up for so freakin' long.

                                                                                                          Really? "Whip it like a man?" What exactly does that mean for a kid her age? (This question, coming from a woman approaching her 6th decade.)

                                                                                                          And you know that whip cream was going to end up on Ramsay's head because they showed it in a clip.

                                                                                                          I'm still hanging in there. Waiting for the shark...

                                                                                                          1. re: breadchick
                                                                                                            girloftheworld Oct 12, 2013 11:48 AM

                                                                                                            Back at the house:

                                                                                                            saras momager: Sara you need to stand out more you are fading into the background. Be the Femist voice behind cooking. Put down those boys.

                                                                                                            Sara: Ok Mommy I will make those cameras look at me. I will be cute. Watch me sparkle. Now lets do the food flash cards again.

                                                                                            3. t
                                                                                              TastyChomps Oct 2, 2013 02:35 PM

                                                                                              just caught it last night on hulu, really great show thus far...very amazing kids. here's to hoping they don't screw the pooch on this one and overdramatize/realitytv-ize things...


                                                                                              1. John E. Oct 2, 2013 10:16 AM

                                                                                                I agree with you about not being fond of the cooking with kids theme. The only thing a cooking show can do that is worse than cooking with kids is cooking with Elmo.

                                                                                                I did not watch this show. Has Gordy gathered the kids around an undercooked piece of fish, smashed the fish with his palm and screamed "it's effffing raw!!!!"

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                                                                                                1. re: John E.
                                                                                                  Worldwide Diner Oct 2, 2013 05:45 PM

                                                                                                  I haven't watched because I don't think Gordo with be tough enough with these media whoring kids/parents.

                                                                                                  1. re: John E.
                                                                                                    breadchick Oct 2, 2013 07:32 PM

                                                                                                    Elmo. a big yes there too.

                                                                                                    1. re: John E.
                                                                                                      breadchick Oct 3, 2013 04:49 PM

                                                                                                      Also, at least they won't have to cook scallops or beef Wellington...

                                                                                                      1. re: breadchick
                                                                                                        C. Hamster Oct 3, 2013 07:50 PM

                                                                                                        Or risotto. Or spaghetti of crab.

                                                                                                        1. re: C. Hamster
                                                                                                          breadchick Oct 4, 2013 06:18 PM

                                                                                                          10/4: Dang! I see a beef Wellington in their future...

                                                                                                        2. re: breadchick
                                                                                                          LindaWhit Oct 4, 2013 06:00 PM

                                                                                                          Ummm.......you were saying? ;-)

                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                            breadchick Oct 6, 2013 04:40 PM

                                                                                                            Yeah, my big maw spoke too soon!

                                                                                                      2. Momofuku Sep 30, 2013 11:08 PM

                                                                                                        I really liked the first episode. I thought it was pretty amazing that these kids know how to made homemade pasta without a recipe and made it all in under an hour especially that one kid who said "I had tortellini at this cafe and thought I can make this, so I went home and started making it". How do they know what chimichurri and aioli is! It would be fun to see what happens in the upcoming weeks.

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                                                                                                        1. re: Momofuku
                                                                                                          LindaWhit Oct 1, 2013 05:57 AM

                                                                                                          I think we saw referral recipes for the original Masterchef series for adults, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Juniors *did* have recipes. They've just gotten better at editing those referrals out of the actual show.

                                                                                                          1. re: Momofuku
                                                                                                            Kajikit Oct 2, 2013 05:28 AM

                                                                                                            Making ordinary pasta is actually easy. Mix the dough (good flour, eggs, a little water), roll it out in the pasta maker until it's thin enough, and put it through the pasta cutter. It's making stuffed pastas or good gnocchi that is difficult (which a couple of the kids did). Overall I was very impressed with the standard. These kids cooked me under the table and I'm 43, not 13. I don't care if they had recipes to use - most home chefs need them. You still have to get all the basics right and know what the stuff is actually supposed to look like and how long to cook the very temperamental stuff. You could put an entire recipe library in front of somebody who doesn't know how to boil water, and it's going to be a disaster.

                                                                                                            1. re: Kajikit
                                                                                                              melpy Oct 2, 2013 08:13 AM

                                                                                                              I find proper gnocchi to be simpler than one thinks but a little time consuming. I have done thumb indentation and fork tine rolling. The key is the dough. Personally I only use potato and a small amount of flour. Egg makes them gummy.

                                                                                                          2. girloftheworld Sep 30, 2013 06:30 PM

                                                                                                            well I can certainly see who is "cast" in which role.
                                                                                                            I also can predict the parent gallery getting more vocal.
                                                                                                            there is a first string and a second string( pasta was second string)
                                                                                                            If you noticed on the statons the pasta mix was premade in bags all they had to do was add the pre measured liquids on their stations.
                                                                                                            also dont forget..Third string baking- recipes in the drawer-they never cook anything they have not had a class on...that being said.. I saw a lot of sloppy knife work, chopping onions from the wrong direction, bad plating that mysteriously cleaned up on the way to the front. how do you make elbow macaroni without a pasta press?
                                                                                                            the girls need to tie their hair back!

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                                                                                                            1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                              HillJ Sep 30, 2013 06:50 PM

                                                                                                              See! You do have a lot to contribute. I'll enjoy watching the show more knowing your perspective and comments will follow.

                                                                                                              1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                                C. Hamster Sep 30, 2013 08:00 PM

                                                                                                                It's hard to believe you are, what... 13.

                                                                                                                Your posts are more thoughtful and literate than 90% of us shlubs here, Particularly your Paula Deen and Barilla posts.

                                                                                                                But anyway. ....

                                                                                                                What's your take on the macron kid? Extraordinarily hard for an adult (even a pastrychef)to make correctly and judges pronounce it one of the best they've had?


                                                                                                                1. re: C. Hamster
                                                                                                                  girloftheworld Oct 1, 2013 05:22 AM

                                                                                                                  perhaps I have been making macorns wrong. because I thought the filling was supouse to be firm and whipped not runny snd squishy...but then again they made it onto the show and I didnt...

                                                                                                                  they did cast "young" even the 13 year olds are precious. I dont do precious

                                                                                                                  1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                                    melpy Oct 1, 2013 09:02 AM

                                                                                                                    The macarons cannot be the best they have had. Ridiculous.

                                                                                                                    1. re: melpy
                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Oct 1, 2013 09:46 AM

                                                                                                                      I hate it when they make crazy superlative comparisons to previous seasons. It's so hollow.


                                                                                                                      1. re: melpy
                                                                                                                        momjamin Oct 3, 2013 01:01 PM

                                                                                                                        "Best macarons I've had" today!

                                                                                                                        1. re: momjamin
                                                                                                                          girloftheworld Oct 3, 2013 03:22 PM

                                                                                                                          "Best macarons I have had"..... wearing these socks

                                                                                                                  2. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Oct 1, 2013 06:03 AM

                                                                                                                    The hair thing has bothered me in all versions of all cooking shows.

                                                                                                                    Was the elbow macaroni in the "scratch pasta" challenge? I only remember the gnocchi and spaetzle, but not macaroni.


                                                                                                                    1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                                      melpy Oct 1, 2013 09:01 AM

                                                                                                                      Gordon should know better than put play with someone's hair stuff in the kitchen. Who made elbows? I remember spaetzle...

                                                                                                                      1. re: melpy
                                                                                                                        girloftheworld Oct 1, 2013 03:40 PM

                                                                                                                        was it spatetzle? with the lamb? I was doing homework at the same time so I missed the actual discription...the red bow girl made it?

                                                                                                                        1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                                          Kajikit Oct 2, 2013 05:25 AM

                                                                                                                          Yeah, it was spaetzle, not macaroni. So no press was required.

                                                                                                                    2. girloftheworld Sep 30, 2013 03:28 PM

                                                                                                                      Didnt watch....
                                                                                                                      (she said with a bitter inmature pout)

                                                                                                                      Though it is still on my DVR in case I get over myself

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                                                                                                                      1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                                        HillJ Sep 30, 2013 03:52 PM

                                                                                                                        Please watch, I was counting :) on your perspective!

                                                                                                                        1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Sep 30, 2013 04:06 PM

                                                                                                                          You know, many Chowhounds have tried out for MasterChef and none, as far as I know, have made it. You are in good company. Congratulations for having the courage to aim high and for getting as far along in the process as you did. Keep aiming high and you'll do great things.


                                                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                            C. Hamster Sep 30, 2013 04:51 PM

                                                                                                                            Well the husband of the husband and wife team posted a lot of insight here. But I'm not sure if he was technically a contestant.

                                                                                                                            I was teed up to audition in Ben Starr's season but work got in the way. I probably wouldn't have made the cut but if I did I would probably have been crushed.

                                                                                                                            1. re: C. Hamster
                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Sep 30, 2013 04:57 PM

                                                                                                                              Yeah, there were a few people who sort of dropped in on chowhound briefly and gave some insight, but those folks weren't posting on chowhound before that, and haven't stuck around. Or am I misremembering?

                                                                                                                              C Hamster, would have been fun to see you on the show. I'm sure you would have gotten the smart edit. :)


                                                                                                                            2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                              sockii Oct 1, 2013 08:50 AM

                                                                                                                              I tried out last season in New York - made it past the first cut based on my recipe but could see I was up against a lot of "characters" in the next round...wasn't surprised I didn't get a call back after that.

                                                                                                                              Even so I'm planning on going to the Philly casting call next month - if just because it's a fun experience to try and talk to the other people who turn out.

                                                                                                                              1. re: sockii
                                                                                                                                HillJ Oct 1, 2013 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                sockii, after the casting in Philly, pls start a thread about the experience. It would be fun to learn from your inside perspective!

                                                                                                                                1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                  sockii Oct 1, 2013 11:27 AM

                                                                                                                                  I will. Last year I wrote a blog post/article elsewhere about the NYC experience. Is it legit to link to it here?


                                                                                                                                  1. re: sockii
                                                                                                                                    HillJ Oct 1, 2013 12:09 PM

                                                                                                                                    What a fun share, thanks!

                                                                                                                                2. re: sockii
                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Oct 1, 2013 09:01 AM

                                                                                                                                  Please do post about it. I can't wait to hear all about it. Are you going to try the same recipe or a new one? And are you going to pretend to be wacky?


                                                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                    sockii Oct 1, 2013 11:24 AM

                                                                                                                                    Trying a different plate this time; even though my first one was successful with the tasters, I had Joe ask me why I didn't make something "more Italian" since I'm from Ancona. *eyeroll* So yeah, this time it's going to be pure Nothern Italian from me...

                                                                                                                                    Wacky? Er, no more so than I usually am. More like I have a better idea how to try to sell myself in the quick chance you get with the casting people. We'll see.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: sockii
                                                                                                                                      girloftheworld Oct 3, 2013 07:50 PM

                                                                                                                                      "sell myself in the quick chance you get with the casting people."

                                                                                                                                      wear a military uniform
                                                                                                                                      be an ex athlete who lost his/her dream due to injury
                                                                                                                                      survived a deadly disease and learned how to cook healthy
                                                                                                                                      spouse /loved one dying
                                                                                                                                      unemployeed for years and learned to cook on what you could buy with food stamps
                                                                                                                                      doing this to make your family back in(insert spanish speaking country here)
                                                                                                                                      you have someone anyone up in heaven watching you
                                                                                                                                      you were a victim of horrid bullying and now you will show them all
                                                                                                                                      you are so pretty you have to prove you are tough
                                                                                                                                      overcame your addictions and now need to close the wound
                                                                                                                                      bring a puppy

                                                                                                                                      1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                                                        sockii Oct 4, 2013 06:17 AM

                                                                                                                                        LOL, yeah, I saw and heard a lot of those stories (and similar) - but it still didn't matter really if you didn't have the specific dynamic or "something" they wanted (which, in some cases, certainly seemed to be having a connection with the crew/the media industry)...

                                                                                                                                        1. re: girloftheworld
                                                                                                                                          madeliner Oct 5, 2013 06:09 PM

                                                                                                                                          Love it!

                                                                                                                                          1. re: madeliner
                                                                                                                                            sockii Nov 2, 2013 02:51 PM

                                                                                                                                            Back from the Philly event today...it was much more sedate than NY last year. Once again, I made it past the initial tasting judge/first casting person, but not the second round (even though they did remember me from last year ... maybe that's not a good thing?)

                                                                                                                                            Oh well, drowning my sorrows tonight by drinking copious bourbon and eating all of my leftovers (since I was making a cicchetti plate I had to make large quantities of food just to plate a few things...here was my practice plating from last night though not on the dishes I used.)

                                                                                                                              2. melpy Sep 30, 2013 03:29 AM

                                                                                                                                Pretty much able to call who was getting into the next round after learning the tricks of the judging. Plan to watch. Last "kid's" show we watched was Kid Nation so it doesn't really have big shoes to fill.

                                                                                                                                1. C. Hamster Sep 29, 2013 04:08 PM

                                                                                                                                  Ok the kid with the macarons pretty much blew me away. What 12 year old even knows what they are much less how to make them and plate them like that?

                                                                                                                                  I'm suspicious.

                                                                                                                                  Plus I've seen at least one of those kids ontv before.

                                                                                                                                  With M's bad reputation for deception of their audience ... I'll watch a few more times and form an opinion.

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: C. Hamster
                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Sep 30, 2013 01:23 AM

                                                                                                                                    HA! I'm not that cynical. But, what are you suspecting? That the kids are being coached step-by-step but off-camera? That someone else is doing the cooking?

                                                                                                                                    That would be so disappointing.


                                                                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                      C. Hamster Sep 30, 2013 05:27 AM

                                                                                                                                      The adult master chef's fakery and deception makes me suspicious.

                                                                                                                                      While I understand that all reality shows are edited and staged, MC's deception is unparalleled

                                                                                                                                      1. re: C. Hamster
                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Sep 30, 2013 06:29 AM

                                                                                                                                        I understand that you're suspicious, and I don't disagree, but I'm wondering what you think might be really happening that is different than how it's being portrayed? That the kids aren't doing their own cooking? That they are getting more coaching than it seems?


                                                                                                                                        1. re: C. Hamster
                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Oct 1, 2013 04:50 AM

                                                                                                                                          Apparently the American MasterChef Junior isn't the only one subject to suspicion: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertain...


                                                                                                                                        2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                                          scubadoo97 Oct 3, 2013 07:34 PM

                                                                                                                                          I'm watching this episode at the moment and that is exactly my impression. No way these kids had the skill to do the things they did without a lot of coaching. Heck even the regular contestants were coached. Remember there is little reality in reality TV

                                                                                                                                          1. re: scubadoo97
                                                                                                                                            The Dairy Queen Oct 3, 2013 11:52 PM

                                                                                                                                            I guess I don't mind if the kids were told beforehand what their dish/ingredient would be, were shown how to prepare the dish, had numerous opportunities to practice the dish with a coach, and had recipes on hand, as long as they were all given those opportunities equally.

                                                                                                                                            I'm okay with all of that pre-prep and coaching as long the kids were really doing their own cooking and plating during the competition we witnessed. I still think their results were impressive (especially under time pressure and in a competitive/filming setting) for 8-13 year olds, although certainly less than it would appear if you take the show at face value and less at the upper limit of the age range.

                                                                                                                                            When I was their age, I participated in band competitions. I competed by playing 3-4 pieces I'd practiced --under the guidance of coach-- dozens, even hundreds of times. In the early years, we had access to music though eventually we were required to play from memory. Anything less would have been a) exceedingly painful to the ears of anyone present during my performance and b) extremely anxiety-provoking and performance-impairing to me. And then add the additional pressure of doing all of this on camera, apparently in front of your celebrity idols.

                                                                                                                                            As an adult I've had several opportunities to be on camera and I tell you, I hate it. I freeze up instantly. Not good television. Being on camera can be really difficult and uncomfortable.

                                                                                                                                            Coaching and preparing the children is a kindness to everyone and generally how children are handled in most competitive situations.

                                                                                                                                            Where do I draw the line? I wouldn't find it acceptable if they were all micro-phoned and had someone whispering in their ears during the cooking and plating... Or if every 5 minutes filming stopped and adults stepped in and gave the kids coaching and/or correction mid-competition. Or, if (as girloftheworld speculated) the pasta (or baking) kids had their ingredients pre-measured or any aspect of the cooking or plating done by the MC staff. Or if the children were filmed cooking these same dishes numerous times and those cooking events and outcomes were spliced together to appear like a single cooking and judging event.

                                                                                                                                            But, this is 2013, anyone watching "reality" television or TV food competitions ought to expect some smoke and mirrors. And I think it's okay to let children prepare, rehearse and be coached in any competitive setting. I know masterchef is notorious for being deceptive, and I suppose I wouldn't be surprised if they cross some lines this season that will disappoint me, assuming I notice...


                                                                                                                                        3. re: C. Hamster
                                                                                                                                          sockii Sep 30, 2013 04:49 PM

                                                                                                                                          Found out today one of the kids (that made the first cut) is best friends with the daughter of a friend of mine. I may try to ply the connection for a little behind the scenes dirt.

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                                                                                                                                          LuluTheMagnificent Sep 29, 2013 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                                          I'm assuming it's bogus like all reality shows.

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                                                                                                                                          1. re: LuluTheMagnificent
                                                                                                                                            scubadoo97 Oct 3, 2013 07:36 PM

                                                                                                                                            I'm with you Lulu

                                                                                                                                            1. re: LuluTheMagnificent
                                                                                                                                              TheDescendedLefticleOfAramis Oct 9, 2013 06:57 PM

                                                                                                                                              Viewed. Bogus?
                                                                                                                                              Please, it's as 'real' as any stage mom from back whenever.
                                                                                                                                              That joy
                                                                                                                                              That spontaneity
                                                                                                                                              That imagination of youth!
                                                                                                                                              on all too familar platings.

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                                                                                                                                              aenea Sep 29, 2013 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                              I was pleasantly surprised. My daughter loves the BBC Junior Master chef, so she was excited about this.

                                                                                                                                              And very impressed with the kids, to say the least. Not only their cooking and plating, but the way that they interacted with each other. I was relieved that the producers didn't seem to be going for any personal drama- hopefully it will stay that way.

                                                                                                                                              It was odd to see Joe smiling. I've seen Gordon with kids before so he and Graham weren't a surprise, but I was hoping that Joe would be able to rein it in. With any kind of luck they'll stick with mostly positive feedback.

                                                                                                                                              1. LindaWhit Sep 28, 2013 11:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                I caught the last half hour or so; forgot it was on. Will have to look OnDemand later for the full show.

                                                                                                                                                I was utterly *floored* with the plating skills! Many were restaurant quality! The 13yo boy who got in during the last round (the oldest in the competition?) seems extremely skilled, but even the young 9yo boy who didn't make it (who got a bit weepy when he was told by Gordon he didn't make the cut) was good. As he said - he'll be back (if they do this again).

                                                                                                                                                The kids all seemed to like each other (at least in the rounds I watched) and genuinely cheered each other on when one got good reviews by the judges. As long as they don't get whiny, bratty, and pull the usual Fox-TV drama-laden crap, I'll make a note to watch.

                                                                                                                                                1. The Dairy Queen Sep 28, 2013 05:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                  I hadn't planned on watching, but my DVR recorded it. Wow. I'm impressed and humbled. Even if the kids were thoroughly well-coached, to recreates these dishes at this level while under time pressure is pretty amazing.

                                                                                                                                                  Makes the Rachel and Guy show seem totally amateurish.

                                                                                                                                                  This proves, by the way, that the team of MasterChef is fully capable of producing a show that is upbeat and professional and not garbage.


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                                                                                                                                                    damara Sep 27, 2013 07:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                    I was also pleasantly surprised by this. The kids were quite impressive considering their age. They also handled getting cut with a lot more grace and positivity than some adults on these types of shows. We're in for now too.

                                                                                                                                                    1. HillJ Sep 27, 2013 06:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I only caught the last round of contestants but I was humbled by some of those desserts! I'm going to try to tune in enough to get the gest and to follow CH threads like this.

                                                                                                                                                      I like the idea of intelligent Jr. chefs, handled with class. As long as the parents stay silent and the kids shine, I'm in.

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