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Adding on to the requests for new boards

chowser Sep 26, 2013 11:44 AM

I know there have been quite a few requests lately for new boards but I think a Healthy Eating board would be a good idea, given how far off track some of these threads go on what is healthy or not. It could also include food safety, diets, refueling for exercise. From the way threads meander, there could be a lot of break offs of threads onto a board like this.

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    masha RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 12:05 PM

    You're joking right? There is so much misinformation and hobby-horse riding in the current threads discussing what's "healthy." If CH won't allow us to post information about food-born illnesses attributed to specific restaurants, etc ostensibly because of the lack of empirical science to back the posts, surely a board devoted to discussion of what constitutes "healthy" or "healthful" eating is in the same category. Just an invitation to lots of uncivil back-and-forth with more heat than light.

    Why don't we also create a special Board for discussion of the Inlaws & food?

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      c oliver RE: masha Sep 26, 2013 12:10 PM

      Really, REALLY agree with this. Defining "healthy" is a nightmare. Discussing what some people will or won't consume for "health" reasons is a lesson in futility. IMalwaysHO, of course :)

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        chowser RE: masha Sep 26, 2013 12:10 PM

        So much back and forth that I'd like to be able to ignore it. I'd either like it isolated or to go away altogether. In laws can be ignored because they're prominently written as such. These health ones are insidious and pop up everywhere.

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          c oliver RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 12:21 PM

          I suggested a Food Safety board the other day for the same reason. They are actually related topics at times.

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            chowser RE: c oliver Sep 26, 2013 12:26 PM

            That's one reason I had this idea--that we see that so often, as with "health" and they're related. The "healthy" question just shows up on so many boards and always gets heated, same arguments, etc. as does food safety They pop up unexpectedly. Maybe a sticky for that board could be Sam's magic house thread.

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              c oliver RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 12:33 PM

              I'd had that thought about the "magic house" also. But the mods clearly stated "Tangents happen, and that's okay. If something's introduced in a mean or unfriendly manner ("You'll kill your guests if you do that, you idiot!") then it's an issue, but if people are trying to be helpful, that's usually okay. If a food safety discussion is absolutely overwhelming a thread, it might be something we'd split to its own thread, but generally, those little asides are okay." Maybe the opinion on healthy will be different.

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        HillJ RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 01:45 PM

        Are there going to be experts in the field of health & wellness overseeing the threads? Identified as professionals?

        I mean, it's one thing to discuss with fellow CH's how you approach a special dietary need or how you follow a vegan diet it's another to dispense health advice.

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          c oliver RE: HillJ Sep 26, 2013 02:02 PM

          But CHs do it ALL THE TIME :( In the distant past I used to report those when I came across them but they never got deleted. I've always thought that CH would have some legal liability for allowing that type of post but I guess not.

          I recently had a slightly elevated, kinda odd blood test result. Before I saw my doctor, I did some studying. I have a good bit of medical background so kinda know the reputable sources. When I met with her, she was delighted that I'd done my due diligence and was participating in my health care decisions. She says she's horrified when patients come in quoting, for example, "Uncle Bob's Lifesaving Medical Advice." I DID make that up, ya know :) And I think paying attention to health/medical advice on CH from STRANGERS is just as bad.

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            HillJ RE: c oliver Sep 26, 2013 02:29 PM

            It's a bad idea to even entertain the idea of a health (& wellness) board on a food site. I'm not kidding....but pls don't hate me :)

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              c oliver RE: HillJ Sep 26, 2013 02:32 PM

              Oh, no, not at all. I was lobbying for a food safety board so I wouldn't have to see those either. But if they had one at least the rest of us wouldn't have to see the posts :)

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                chowser RE: HillJ Sep 26, 2013 02:50 PM

                Given a choice, I'd rather not have them at all. But, given that these threads are here, I'd rather them in one place so we can choose not to go, eg., Chains for people who wanted it corralled so to speak.

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                  HillJ RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 03:01 PM

                  I don't see how you can stop a health discussion from crossing over to every board if you OK it for it's own board. In my opinion, that's a green light to discuss health issues at greater length.

                  Of course, Mods & the CH Team decide the parameters of a board, thread, blog story now. If creating a board for health & wellness means the site is alright with heading in that direction, the new "toggle off discussion" function will be helpful.

                  Just speaking for myself, no thank you on a board of this type.

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                    chowser RE: HillJ Sep 26, 2013 03:11 PM

                    The health discussions are on most boards, other than local ones. You see them on General Topics, Home Cooking, Food Media, NAF right now, and those are the only non-local boards I follow. I'm not interested in a board like this--but it would bring those threads, or tangents, on a separate board that I avoid.

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                      c oliver RE: HillJ Sep 26, 2013 03:11 PM

                      But don't you agree that there are all manner of health issues being discussed with loads of advice (good and HORRIBLE) being given. Is every CH able to separate the wheat from the chaff? I wish those discussions weren't allowed but since they are, why not put them on their own board with a 'sticky-disclaimer' warning people?

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                        HillJ RE: c oliver Sep 26, 2013 03:37 PM

                        Whatever is decided (if at all) I'll work around. I don't discuss health on CH ever. Including my own health, engage with the health discussions that do take place, or encourage this type of discussion. Never have. But sure plenty of CH's do. And I have no doubt most are well intention. For me it's a big OT for a food site.

                        You might not recall, but I asked some time back if CH's could discuss feeding pets. I pushed pretty hard for the NAF board to include it. Jacq left a "it's okay on NAF" comment at the time. The discussions began but eventually petered out in frequency. But, discussing how we feed our pets comes up in threads, occasionally there are new threads, and I'm glad to see it there-because it's food related. I hardly ever get involved in the discussions about pets myself but I thought it was worth "fighting for" for others enjoyment.

                        So, whatever happens, I'll adjust.

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                  chowser RE: c oliver Sep 26, 2013 02:53 PM

                  I'm always amazed at threads where people say, "I was just diagnosed with xxxx. What are healthy foods for me?"

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                    foodieX2 RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 02:55 PM

                    Yes and without fail the ones I click on are from first time posters.

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                      c oliver RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 03:00 PM

                      And I'm further amazed at some of the advice they get.

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                  ratgirlagogo RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 02:25 PM

                  WOOF.

                  This is the only board that I can imagine having more acrimony and contentiousness than Not About Food.

                  Well, OK. Even worse would be that Etiquette and Grammar Board so many of us keep fantasizing about :)

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                    chowser RE: ratgirlagogo Sep 26, 2013 02:52 PM

                    Perhaps just a general debate board might be what I want. A place to avoid. Maybe we could just call it "Chowser's avoid board." That would take care of it.;-)

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                      c oliver RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 03:00 PM

                      Are high-fives totally uncool? If so, I'll give you a fist-bump :) GREAT idea.

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                        HillJ RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 03:04 PM

                        Except...who decides what belongs on that type of rabbit hole?
                        Ugh, I wish there was an easy answer other than NO.

                    2. gaffk RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 02:55 PM

                      Does it have to be just healthy eating? Could it just be a health board? This would allow subthreads on the NAF or General Topics boards that propose psychological diagnoses based on posters' descriptions of eating behavior to be redirected. And all those Food Media posters who diagnose mental disorders based on the edited performances on food shows could be redirected as well.

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                        c oliver RE: gaffk Sep 26, 2013 03:02 PM

                        OMG, you are brilliant. But probably also smoking the drapes :) Ain't gonna happen but, lordie, I love the idea.

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                          gaffk RE: c oliver Sep 26, 2013 03:06 PM

                          A girl can dream, can't she?

                          I like the idea of a "Toxic: Avoid These Discussions" Board.

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                            HillJ RE: gaffk Sep 26, 2013 03:08 PM

                            Isn't the new "toggle off discussions" choice Dave MP mentioned on Site Talk going to address the threads you aren't enjoying?

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                              gaffk RE: HillJ Sep 26, 2013 03:14 PM

                              Nope, because often they are threads I am enjoying in large part. But then these subthreads arise ("ooh, given the way he laughs I suspect he's on the outer edge of the autism scale") that just leave me shaking my head. Then, when I reopen the thread, it's a crapshoot whether the new comments are regarding the actual OP or the SMH subthread.

                              Imagine that, life ain't perfectly tailored to suit me.

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                                HillJ RE: gaffk Sep 26, 2013 03:38 PM

                                It's a real bitch, gaffk. I feel your pain.

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                          HillJ RE: gaffk Sep 26, 2013 03:04 PM

                          LOL....in the eyes of the beholder.

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                          HillJ RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 03:05 PM

                          how about the CH Team installs a BUCKET board. A place to throw in misc topics. Now who is going to decide what's worthy of the bucket?

                          1. paulj RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 03:06 PM

                            Doesn't this steal the thunder from 'special diets'? Why do people choose to follow a 'special diet' if isn't for their health?

                            Or from Vegan/Veg - again, people who want to eat healthy, but with a different idea from the paleo people.

                            In general, though, is it a good idea to have a 'break off' board, one where 'off-topic' subthreads are sent to languish and die?

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                              HillJ RE: paulj Sep 26, 2013 03:09 PM

                              At least the focus is on food, not dispensing health/medical advice.

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                                c oliver RE: paulj Sep 26, 2013 03:13 PM

                                Actually that crossed my mind re "special diets." But when you get into general health and medical advice, that's not actually a special diet, is it?

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                                  masha RE: paulj Sep 27, 2013 07:30 AM

                                  Well, Special Diets has its regular posters who espouse dubious health advice. I'd expected to regularly read SD as I have immediate family members who are T1 diabetics. In fact, I rarely do because I get so annoyed by the vigorously asserted health advice of doubtful provenance.

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                                    MplsM ary RE: masha Sep 27, 2013 09:28 AM

                                    It is the feverish fervency of those posts that has driven me to de-select it as one of my saved boards. There was one post where the advice was so wrong-headed and dangerous I actually wrote to moderators@chow.com, after flagging. I never felt the need to do that before.

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                                      c oliver RE: MplsM ary Sep 27, 2013 10:51 AM

                                      It's just plain dangerous. Did the post get deleted?

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                                        MplsM ary RE: c oliver Sep 27, 2013 12:07 PM

                                        It (and other posts in the same thread) got deleted, but I think not before there was some damage done.

                                        When people purport to be an expert because they have "done all the reading," and tell others of "their findings" *I* think their advice should probably be avoided. Sadly, people who have just been dealt a blow with a diagnosis of an illness, either theirs or someone close to them, are searching for easily digestible answers.

                                        It is much easier getting advice from a message board instead of going to the local medical library and schooling yourself in conjunction with asking actual professionals for advice on getting educated on a particular medical condition.

                                        Going full circle, it is the folks who have taken the time to research a condition who proclaim their newly formed expert status. I just wish they realized that they are one, perhaps anomalous, data point in a much larger data set.

                                        One size does not fit all when it comes to health or diet.

                                        ~Sorry for the rant. Been wanting to say that for a while.

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                                          c oliver RE: MplsM ary Sep 27, 2013 12:18 PM

                                          Didn't sound like much of a rant to me. But then I'm definitely a kindred spirit. I do great research and understand the good sites and not and understand what I read. But I'm not going to tell others about my conclusions. I go to my doctor and tell her what I've read and we discuss and come to decisions. She has my history. I don't have others' histories.

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                                            masha RE: MplsM ary Sep 27, 2013 01:20 PM

                                            What is worse is when the poster suggests that the advice being received from doctors, nutritionists, or dieticians should be ignored because it is supposedly based on incorrect or outdated science. Seriously, there are comments along those lines.

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                                              c oliver RE: masha Sep 27, 2013 01:23 PM

                                              I just stumbled into one...and raced away where it was my doctor says this; no, my doctor says that. Or words to that effect. I guess when someone dies after taking advice from this site, maybe they'll figure out this isn't right.

                                  2. c oliver RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 03:19 PM

                                    Here's a thread that to me goes WAY TOO FAR in giving health/medical advice:

                                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/917947

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                                      chowser RE: c oliver Sep 27, 2013 03:37 AM

                                      And is too typical. Just read Paula Deen threads on Food Media,

                                    2. fldhkybnva RE: chowser Sep 26, 2013 05:05 PM

                                      I predict utter chaos on this board

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