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grumpyspatient Sep 26, 2013 05:50 AM

From Slate.com

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    INDIANRIVERFL RE: grumpyspatient Sep 26, 2013 06:06 AM

    As I have mentioned on other TV chefs who do not cook, a well marketed money making machine.

    There was a BBC show where he interacted with family and friends. Totally different on screen persona. But still driven.

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      PrinceZuko RE: INDIANRIVERFL Sep 26, 2013 07:16 PM

      to be fair, Gordon Ramsay can hold his own in a kitchen as he holds 14 Michelin Stars today.

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        Puffin3 RE: PrinceZuko Sep 27, 2013 05:44 AM

        You mean his restaurants have a combined 14 stars of course. The chef/staff are the ones who earn those stars. Not sure but I don't think Gordon ever got a star when he was personally working as a chef in one of them.
        Anyway. I think he's a great personality and he has done a lot of good for the restaurant industry over time. In spite of the fact he pours olive oil in the pasta water. LOL
        If he doesn't calm down he's going to have a massive coronary one day. The way he bounces up and down you can tell he's wound up tighter then a ducks bum in a snow storm.

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          PrinceZuko RE: Puffin3 Sep 27, 2013 09:18 AM

          Actually, yes. He earned a star working as head chef at Marco Pierre White's restaurant Aubergine. It took 14 months for it to gain its first star while he was there. His time as head chef there would give Aubergine two Michelin stars. He left as head chef to run his first own restaurant, Restaurant Gordon Ramsay which managed to gain 3 Michelin Stars. Now that hes on tv all the time, he turned over the position of head chef first to Simone Zaoni and finally to current head chef Clare Smyth. But those 3 Michelin stars were earned when Gordon Ramsay was in the kitchen. With all of these Food Network "personalities", its easy to forget that Gordon Ramsay isn't just a tv personality. Hes a great cook.

          Its easy to have a negative view of him but I dont believe thats hes really like the guy portrayed on tv. In fact, it seems to be played up only for the American audience. In the UK, hes portrayed as a very likable man who even at one point enjoys the flirtatious moves on him by Gok Wan. Point being, the personality you see on tv is all an act.

          edit:Just saw the slate article OP posted. Its even in the article lol.

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            LotusRapper RE: PrinceZuko Sep 27, 2013 11:31 AM

            Agree.

            I just shrug off all the theatrics of Gordon on any of his TV shows .... that's just for the ratings. If you *really* listen to his messaging (without all the F-this and bullocks-that), he's trying to instill discipline, discernment, professionalism and common sense into all the apprentices, cooks, wait staff, management and restaurant owners. I'd watch Ramsay any day over the other crap so-called chefs that TFN features, like Ray, Fieri, etc.

            AFAIC, the true accomplished celebrity chefs in TV land still consists of:

            Child
            Pepin
            Blumenthal
            Morimoto
            De Laurentiis
            Lawson
            Bourdain (who refers to himself as "cook")
            Batali
            Lagasse
            Ramsay
            Oliver

            Maybe Flay & Puck but I can't stand those two :-)

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              Puffin3 RE: LotusRapper Sep 27, 2013 11:42 AM

              I have never seen 'De Laurentils' stand in front of a stove. If you have a 'link' to her actually doing anything in a kitchen by all means post it.
              Now she's doing 'hair commercials'.
              It helps to have had a super star in the fashion industry for a 'sometimes' father.

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                LotusRapper RE: Puffin3 Sep 27, 2013 11:57 AM

                I'm pretty sure that's not her stunt double ;-)

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI3--l...

                ....... and related videos.

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                  ennuisans RE: LotusRapper Sep 27, 2013 05:40 PM

                  http://youtu.be/fMN2vORH54E

                  Demonstrating Pasta Carbonara at the Aspen Food and Wine Classic.

                  The thing with Giada is, on her shows she uses at least as much packaged ingredients as Rachael Ray does and I never see her catch flack for it. Jiffy Mix even. But she's good at teaching cooking, puts a lot of work and care into her presentations, and I can't understand holding her privilege against her any more than I hold Ray's hard-working upbringing against her.

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                  James Cristinian RE: Puffin3 Sep 27, 2013 07:00 PM

                  Her father was an actor not in fashion design. Her grandfather was Dino De Laurentis, movie mogul. I never saw her cook in person, but she attended Le Cordon Bleu in Paris, and worked at the Ritz Carton and Spago in Beverly Hills. Maybe she didn't actually cook, but was the world's hottest prep monkey.

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                  josey124 RE: LotusRapper Sep 27, 2013 04:54 PM

                  Very much agree with PrinceZuko & LotusRapper.
                  I just wanted to add that I can see a lot of passion and what might sound like a harsh comment from GR seems to stem from frustration. Especially on Hell's Kitchen. And come on how would not be frustrated in that kitchen.

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          HillJ RE: grumpyspatient Sep 26, 2013 06:38 AM

          I think it's fair to say most people are capable of having what might appear as conflicting personalities and habits to an outside observer. Driven, high energized, capable delegators-folks who make bank; succeed & fail are scrutinized often. No matter what line of work they are in. They make for dramatic copy. Become a character of their own persona.

          You can believe it or not.

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            HillJ RE: grumpyspatient Sep 26, 2013 06:40 AM

            http://www.littlegordon.com/

            do you recall this short video series when Ramsay first hit American television.

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              cronker RE: HillJ Sep 27, 2013 06:46 PM

              GOLD.

              Loved it when they came out, still love it today!!

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                HillJ RE: cronker Sep 27, 2013 07:27 PM

                Me too; on my "pick me up" list when I need a smile.

            2. Samalicious RE: grumpyspatient Sep 26, 2013 06:49 AM

              More insight in a Men's Health interview earlier this year if
              you 're interested: http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/g...

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                HillJ RE: Samalicious Sep 26, 2013 07:00 AM

                What I love about all of these "interviews" is where the overlaps and completely diff versions converge. At the end of the day, it's someones life we're all gawking at. I read it, I'm either entertained (or not) and I move on.

                Maybe I'm in a small camp of folks who believe the only folks who should care if Ramsay's misunderstood is the man and the people in his life..but, I'm comfortable in that camp.

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                  Puffin3 RE: HillJ Sep 26, 2013 11:37 AM

                  I watch all of Ramsey's shows. Reminds me of a working in a couple of restaurant kitchens as a kid. For better or worse. One reason I like to watch him is I can say a silent prayer I never stayed in the industry. Instead I can sit back and criticize every one for being ******* idiots. LOL
                  What ended it for me EVER thinking Ramsey himself was even a mediocre cook was when he poured olive oil onto the boiling pasta water. That and some other things only a ******* idiot would do! LOL

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                    Puffin3 RE: Puffin3 Sep 26, 2013 11:45 AM

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcMl5M...
                    Yeah Gordon. And the olive oil that "coats the pasta" makes sure it can't absorb any of the sauce. So the sauce just floats around on the bottom of the plate.
                    What a ******* idiot!

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                      HillJ RE: Puffin3 Sep 26, 2013 01:34 PM

                      Life's too short for me to waste a second on what some chefs do to pasta water,

                      Puffin3. I respect a good laugh (even at another's expense) and certainly can respect you have an opinion about Ramsay on this thread. But my only opinion about Ramsey is that he's hired to entertain and for some of the audience tuning in, he is.

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                calumin RE: grumpyspatient Sep 26, 2013 07:02 PM

                It's television. They're caricatures. Of course they are misunderstood.

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                  cronker RE: calumin Sep 27, 2013 01:46 AM

                  Exactly. If some tv exec thought that asking Ramsey to become cuddly and nice, with no swearing and being all warm and fuzzy, no one would watch. The persona you see on screen is a huge exaggeration of his true self.
                  Read his biographies and there is a very different man there.
                  If you watch The F Word (IMHO his best show) he is very interesting.
                  His ***Chef cookbook is beautiful.

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                    Shrinkrap RE: cronker Sep 27, 2013 09:02 PM

                    .. cuddly and nice, with no swearing and being all warm and fuzzy, "

                    I think "they" did that on "The Taste". Is that still on? ;)

                    Oops! That was AB.

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                      HillJ RE: cronker Sep 27, 2013 09:06 PM

                      Ramsay just demonstrated this evening on Masterchef Jr. that he's capable of leaving the f-bombs at the door and working with the younger chefs on the program. Not a bleep in sight.

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                    Chulacat RE: grumpyspatient Sep 27, 2013 06:05 AM

                    There was an article about GR in Esquire or GQ last winter. From that article, I got the sense that he is not a particularly pleasant human being in any aspect of his life.

                    1. greygarious RE: grumpyspatient Sep 28, 2013 04:05 PM

                      Someone just posted on a Martha Stewart thread objecting to her on the grounds of her business dealings and family troubles, which belie the gracious hostess image she fosters on-camera.

                      Now here, people excuse Ramsay's on-camera petulance and swearing on the grounds that THAT'S an act for the camera.

                      The takeaway is that many if not all stars are willing to put on acts as long as they're paid for it. Producers orchestrate who the audience boos or cheers. Both paths are profitable.

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