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LA Dish of the Month (October 2013) - Voting

LA Dish of the Month (October 2013) - Voting






Here's a link to the nomination thread: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/917607

Vote once in ALL CAPS. If your vote is not submitted in ALL CAPS it will not be tabulated.

Voting will be open until 11:59 PDT on September 30th.

See you guys on the other side of September.

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        1. Thanks ipse. Usually you have a more prominent warning about voting only once. Is the rule that if one votes multiple times (by accident, presumably) that only their most recent vote counts or that none of their votes count, unless the person clarifies which vote should count?

          Are we allowed to change votes? For instance, if I vote sausage (Edit: No longer my real vote) and it ends up not in contention for winner, but K-TOWN (now my real vote) is in a close battle for first with Fried Chicken, can I change my vote to one of those later (like an ad hoc runoff)?

          I think some precedents have been set in past voting threads (but I'm too lazy to check) that would indicate that changing voted is okay as long as it is made very clear what someone's final counting vote is.

          7 Replies
          1. re: PeterCC

            Pick K-town. Why don't you make it your job to do sausage specialists in K-town? :-)

            1. re: Porthos

              Alright, I'll give it a shot, just for you. I changed my vote above since I can still edit my post.

              1. re: PeterCC

                Appreciate it buddy! Let's keep our fingers crossed for a delicious and unique DOM :-)

            2. re: PeterCC

              You can change your vote, but please do so with some afore thought and please clearly let me know about it.

              And, as always, our mantra has been "Vote once and vote often!"

              Cheers my friend.

              1. re: ipsedixit


                How does one "vote once" and "vote often" at the same time ?

              2. re: PeterCC

                Geez, what is this a meeting of Congress ?

                With all the rules and regulations.

                                1. Shellfish, all the fucking way.

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                                          1. I missed the nominations thread this month, but just out of curiosity, do we usually nominate an entire city / suburb as a "Dish of the Month"?

                                            Seems odd that "Koreatown" is a Dish.

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                                            1. re: chowseeker1999

                                              No, it's not usually done.

                                              But there were enough nominations to make it onto the slate, so here it is.

                                              Ultimately, like most things should be on this site, it's a user-driven experience. If the users want it, who are we to stop it, right?

                                              Just go with the flow.

                                              1. re: chowseeker1999

                                                The DOTM and NOTM were presented it was a opportunity to explore dishes and neighborhoods more thoroughly. For what ever reason the LA Board has stuck with mostly DOTM threads. However, in this nominating thread for DOTM, someone requested the ability to nominate a neighborhood and it was granted by Ipse, hence the presence of Koreatown in the voting thread.

                                                    1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                      Is that Kevin or Bob. Gona hit that K-town shit up? :)

                                                      1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                        Thanks for stealing my thunder, Bob. :)

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                                                        Ok, folks, can we take a momentary pause here and discuss something about "Koreatown"?

                                                        Assuming it wins DoTM, we need to decide now the geographical boundaries of Koreatown.

                                                        The official website (here: http://visitkoreatown.org/) is about as helpful as two left-handed gloves.

                                                        Meanwhile Wiki defines it as a neighborhood with "disputed borders" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreatow...

                                                        Any thoughts?


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                                                        1. re: ipsedixit

                                                          Looks like you're better off clarifying what constitutes fried chicken...

                                                          I think the LA Times map plus/minus a few blocks is reasonable. There is no hard boundary, especially if you dig up a Korean gem in that general vicinity.

                                                          I never thought of this but I guess non-korean food gems in Koreatown would also count. (eg. Pollo a la Brasa on Western)

                                                          1. re: Porthos

                                                            I never thought of this but I guess non-korean food gems in Koreatown would also count. (eg. Pollo a la Brasa on Western)

                                                            Or Taylor's.

                                                            But, seriously, of course non-Korean places (gems, or not) would count. It's "Koreatown" not "Korean Food" right?

                                                              1. re: Porthos

                                                                If we put as much effort and undying passion into our jobs as we do into food, we'd all be billionaires.

                                                            1. re: Porthos

                                                              I'm planning on starting a campaign to get the Sausage/Shellfish people to switch to K-Town if Fried Chicken pulls ahead too far.

                                                              Yes, I was specifically thinking of non-Korean food. I think if a Korean restaurant was within a few blocks of the "borders" of K-Town, I think it should qualify, but it might be nice to get clear borders for those edge cases (no pun intended) of non-Korean places in/near K-Town.

                                                            2. re: ipsedixit

                                                              Looks like Wikipedia uses the LAT borders: http://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods....

                                                              I don't have an opinion on border specifics, but I would rather err on the side of inclusion. If I make a specific trip to the area to try a place out in the spririt of being a Chowhound and with the goal of fulfilling the requirements of the DotM/NotM, it would be a bummer to let a few blocks "disqualify" me.

                                                              1. re: PeterCC

                                                                Or Yelp, which appears to be less inclusive than LAT, which I almost think is *too* inclusive.


                                                                1. KOREATOWN (You can get fried chicken there too... ;))

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                                                                  1. re: Dommy

                                                                    Didn't that KFC close up a year or so ago?

                                                                    1. re: carter

                                                                      Kyochon, BBQ (Best of the Best Quality) Chicken, and I'm sure a ton of other non-chain korean style fried chicken options.

                                                                      1. re: carter

                                                                        Actually... there is a pretty fancy KFC in Koreatown...


                                                                        And I'd probably go for the Buttermilk Fried Chicken at Beer Belly...

                                                                        1. re: Dommy

                                                                          Oh! And the Chicken Katsu at Tonkatsu House...

                                                                          Oddly enough, I like the Tonkatsu at Wako...


                                                                      2. re: Dommy

                                                                        You can get sausage and shellfish too. We can all down our own DotM inside a NotM if K-town is selected.

                                                                          1. re: Porthos

                                                                            Fuck it. In that case, I change my vote to Koreatown since it includes Taylor's too.

                                                                            1. re: cujo

                                                                              I was hoping and voting for soup last month. I would love to see it as a DotM.

                                                                              1. re: OCSteve

                                                                                I don't know what a DotM is. Please explain. I am pleased that we agree on SOUP. Who knows what else we may agree on in the future!

                                                                                1. re: cujo

                                                                                  DotM: Dish of the Month

                                                                                  NotM: Neighborhood of the Month (if Koreatown wins)

                                                                                    1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                      So has this topic changed from dish of the month to "or neighborhood"? Personally, I think it's a completely different animal.

                                                                                      1. re: Thor123

                                                                                        I only brought up NotM this month because we have a neighborhood in contention for DotM. We did a NotM last year (Sawtelle/Little Osaka) but it seemed that the L.A. board's more partial to dishes. It's definitely more doable for more people since we're so spread out that it's probably easier for people to find their local rendition of whatever the DotM happens if be than all try to travel to a specific neighborhood for a month every month.

                                                                                        1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                          I totally understand. Just think they should be two distinct polls. Not passionate about the cause, just saying...

                                                                                          1. re: Thor123

                                                                                            I think each month we can decide dish or neighborhood in the same poll. The dish or neighborhood that gets the most votes wins. It's not that complicated :-)

                                                                                            1. re: Porthos

                                                                                              We are skewed toward dishes, since the nom thread is asking for dishes. Should we have a pre-nom thread to vote D or N? I'm sure ipse is dying to do that. ;-)

                                                                                              1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                Why do you need a pre nom thread? Just vote dish or neighborhood in the nom thread. The top x number of dishes and/or neighborhood in votes goes into the voting thread. Most votes from voting thread wins.

                                                                                                  1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                    Kidding can be hazardous on this board.

                                                                                                    1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                      Sorry, your agreeing with Thor's separate nomination idea then mentioning the need to switch to full on NOM if need be threw me off :)

                                                                                                        1. re: Porthos

                                                                                                          I do think keeping it to either a DotM or a NotM each month encourages more focused participation in all aspects (nominating, voting, chowing) compared to a free for all (I have no data to back this up, just a feeling). I was just mostly kidding about having yet another poll to decide which to do in a particular month.

                                                                                                          For whatever reason we've collectively settled on DotM for the past several months. Maybe we want to switch to NotM for a few months, maybe alternate each month, or maybe try the free-for-all idea. Since ipse is doing the organizing, hopefully he takes these ideas into account (unless one of us wants to take over) and try one of them next month.

                                                                                                          1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                            A free for all works fine. Whichever garners the most interest wins.

                                                                                                            NOM is tough since LA is so spread out. For KTOWN I'm willing to suck it up. Not sure I would be motivated for other neighborhoods.

                                                                                                            1. re: Porthos

                                                                                                              But from the Original manifesto
                                                                                                              "Chowhounds, on the other hand, blaze trails, combing gleefully through neighborhoods for hidden culinary treasure."

                                                                                                              If folks aren't willing to venture east of say Fairfax how would one call themselves a Chowhound in LA?

                                                                                                              The LA Board seems to have the Westside well covered. SGV reporting is decent. Downtown, Hollywood and the East side is OK. the coverage of everything else except for a few well trodden recs is Laughable.

                                                                                                              When Dommy and i moved from Culver City to where we are now it broke us out of a bit of an exploring rut and we have new places to seek out. Occasionally we have a mediocre meal but usually we find something new and interesting. Every once in a while we found that one place that is worth what ever it takes to get there.

                                                                                                              The original manifesto can be found here:

                                                                                                              1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                                                                                                                i guess i am breaking the manifesto rule.
                                                                                                                i unabashedly call myself a chowhound despite my focus on the westside.

                                                                                                                1. re: westsidegal

                                                                                                                  Westsidegal I think that my point was DOTM and NOTM were meant to spur discussion and discovery of new places we have yet to go. If we mostly stick with DOTM, it's easy to stay with the well trodden recs. I'm sure that the next Sergio, Ricky and Kevin Bludso exist in LA. In fact I think there are many such people, but we may never find them if we are unwilling to go beyond the everyday borders which we set for ourselves.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                                                                                                                      Thank you for speaking up. I completely agree.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                                                                                                                    My chow grazing ranges from OC to LA.

                                                                                                                    How many times a month do you guys come down to Westminster for Vietnamese food? ;-)

                                                                                                                    1. re: Porthos

                                                                                                                      Recently we have been going down about once a Month. If Westminster was NOTM we might go down more. :-)

                                                                                                                      1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                                                                                                                        Nothing says you guys can't come down more even if it isn't NOM.

                                                                                                                        This has already been discussed but NOM is tough in LA because it is so spread out. I'm up there probably 3-4x a month for chow but to drive up to Silverlake and wander into a random restaurant is a bit silly. There are plenty of nooks and crannies to explore in every neighborhood.

                                                                                                                        However,I think K-town is under reported here and has so many specialists doing so much more than BBQ that it definitely deserves its own NOM. Otherwise DOM makes it easier for everyone to participate. One is always encouraged to try DOM at other places and not just talk about it or go to their standard spots.

                                                                                                                        1. re: Porthos

                                                                                                                          There is a effort to make the DOTM broad and approachable. More folks discussing yummy food, whats bad about that? Well the lack of focus tends to reduce the value of the discussion at hand. For example, in the sandwiches DOTM thread I did not find a post about a sandwich which I had not had which made me go "i want to put that on my list and go at the next opportunity to try it." This is what I would hope from a DOTM/NOTM thread and I'm not seeing it.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                                                                                                                            For example, in the sandwiches DOTM thread I did not find a post about a sandwich which I had not had which made me go "i want to put that on my list and go at the next opportunity to try it.
                                                                                                                            And that is where you can make a difference.

                                                                                                                            Although I will say that in the egg DOM I had my sister bring me the egg salad from Europane because it looked so good. In brisket DOM I found a BBQ place in Santa Ana that does pastrami. In sandwich DOM I discovered my local Russian deli. Though the sandwich was okay, I've been back twice for the cabbage rolls and the pelmeni. Discoveries do happen.

                                                                                                                      2. re: Porthos

                                                                                                                        I've been a few times...

                                                                                                                        How about going inland...east and south? South and East LA?
                                                                                                                        I'm dying to find some great places in neighborhoods people from the Westside, or elsewhere, seem to be hesitant to explore.

                                                                                                                        1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                                          There may be a couple of of Westside hounds that don't go inland and east but many of those east (out to Rowland Heights) and south (OC and Torrance) are pretty well covered.

                                                                                                                          It's telling/ironic you did not mention north and I think SFV is probably also very under reported.

                                                                                                                          If you think certain neighborhoods are under reported you can always venture out and report back. Take the initiative and challenge.

                                                                                                                      3. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                                                                                                                        I don't know what a rut is for you and Dommy! but I'd suspect that even on a bad week, the two of you have collectively covered a fair amount of ground. With that said, I think you may have divulged something that reflects that even the two of you can develop your biases based on where you live versus what areas you are willing to explore:

                                                                                                                        >>When Dommy and i moved from Culver City to where we are now it broke us out of a bit of an exploring rut and we have new places to seek out.<<

                                                                                                                        I know Dommy! sort of ripped kevin a new one on another thread for him mentioning how parking and traffic were major issues to contend with in certain areas. One does have to factor in issues of time relative to getting to and from point B, regardless of how one gets there. It's a fact of life.

                                                                                                                        I typically work 12 hours a day (no slacking or fluffing - real active work). Throw in kids and elderly parents to tend to and following a path of lesser resistance on my time off is a given. I'm definitely not looking for a shoulder to cry on - just want to keep this real. So if I know I have a four-hour window to venture out and try something new or different somewhere, do I use half that time toward commuting to hit up a certain neighborhood, or do I go to another neighborhood that easier to access from the Westside so to maximize my time there? Not that Chow becomes a secondary issue - maybe I'm just hound further back in the pack.

                                                                                                                        I also have to wonder - does the amount of coverage of certain areas reflect the demographics of those active on this board? Are the majority of hounds from the Westside and SGV, with practically no representation in the SFV, K-Town, etc.?

                                                                                                                        1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                          Not that Chow becomes a secondary issue - maybe I'm just hound further back in the pack.
                                                                                                                          Nonsense! :-) It's okay to say chow isn't the most important thing in life. In fact, it's probably a good thing. Doesn't make someone less of a hound.

                                                                                                                        2. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                                                                                                                          Lets's step back for a minute here, Matt.

                                                                                                                          A Chowhound is neither defined, nor diminished, by their geographic myopia.

                                                                                                                          A Chowhound is less about geographic limits, and more about mental limits. In that respect, I would submit that westsidegal is the epitome of a true 'Hound, despite her insistence that those who live east of the 405 must subsist only on MREs (and astronaut ice cream on the weekend).

                                                                                                                          For me, a peripatetic Chowhound is a diner with no fork (to butcher an analogy) if his state of mind is limited, even though his geographical horizons are limitless.

                                                                                                                          And, really, in this day and age, it is not reasonable, nor appropriate to expect anyone -- Chowhound or not -- to travel out of their comfort zones simply to eat. Most people, because of their jobs and place of residence, travel within a certain area -- be it the "Westside" or DTLA or whatever.

                                                                                                                          Between, work, family, and just life in general, I'm often amazed people have the time and gumption to post as much as they do (and for that, I am forever grateful and deeply appreciative). To then ask, nay, expect that people go out of their way -- deviate from their normal routines, if you will -- simply to sample a dish for the purposes of a DotM or NotM thread is like asking an Eskimo to make fire with two icicles.

                                                                                                                          One last thing -- and this isn't even necessarily directed at you Matt -- but pointing to the original Chowhoud manifesto is a bit of a red herring argument. That manifesto may have had palpable resonance to why we were posting here back when Leff first started the site with the flat blue background, but nowadays more people post here and consider themselves "Chowhounds" do so because they are participating primarily in the "Not About Food" or "Food and Media" boards. They aren't look for delicious food -- heck, more often than not they are talking about those who are looking for delicious food (Exhibit A: we have a long-running post here on where LAPD cops dine.)

                                                                                                                          Sorry, I just need to get that off my chest. I just felt this little bit of thread drift was alienating those who choose to stay within their geographic comfort zone and really drill down into their self-defined zone of culinary exploration. In other words, they want to perfect the art of the croissant, without worrying about any other aspect of baking. And, for me, there's not only nothing wrong with that, there's something ephemerally noble about it.

                                                                                                                          1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                            This was a very fine and level-headed post Ipse. I think I agree 99.9% with it.

                                                                                                                            1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                              Objection your honor.

                                                                                                                              Counsel's opening statements are argumentative.

                                                                                                                              1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                                Well-written post, ipse. Very interesting.

                                                                                                                2. re: Thor123

                                                                                                                  I agree. I think we don't do separate ones each month because we probably wouldn't get much participation if we ran a DotM and a NotM every month, and since we don't, and since it hasn't really come up yet, ipse allowed K-Town to be the exception this month. I presume if we suddenly had an influx of neighborhoods in the nomination thread, that we might change to a full-on NotM for that month. *shrug*

                                                                                                        2. re: OCSteve

                                                                                                          Should be a serious contender Jan-Feb. My Dutch oven gets a lot of soup action when the weather cools off to a "frosty" sub-50 degrees.

                                                                                                          1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                            Agreed, bulavinaka. Soup, which is probably one of my most favorite things to eat (any time of year), would probably get more play here once the weather cools off.

                                                                                                              1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                Honestly, how often do you really eat cold soup?

                                                                                                              2. re: WildSwede

                                                                                                                October is often a swing month weather-wise. Santa Anas blowing in might be conducive to cold soup but not many places offer it. I think an ingredient that can play both sides of the weather is the way to go.

                                                                                                              3. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                50-degrees Fahrenheit?! Break out the North Face gear!

                                                                                                                1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                  This guy at work who's from Indiana almost kicked me when I mentioned that it was kinda cold last night.


                                                                                                                  1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                    LOL! I didn't vote this month since I will be in WI for the majority of it. Have fun in K-town!

                                                                                                              1. Did KOREATOWN actually win?! :-)

                                                                                                                FRIED CHICKEN (8)

                                                                                                                KOREATOWN (9)
                                                                                                                Ciao Bob
                                                                                                                kevin (switched from SHELLFISH)
                                                                                                                Mattapoisett in LA
                                                                                                                steve h.

                                                                                                                SAUSAGE (2)

                                                                                                                SHELLFISH (8)

                                                                                                                SOUPS (2)

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                                                                                                                1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                  Petes, why'd you have to mention that I switched from Shellfish ?

                                                                                                                  Does that entail that my vote only counted for 1/2 ?

                                                                                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                    Since voting for two things is not allowed, unless switching, I just wanted to make sure at least one of your votes counted.

                                                                                                                    Also, think of me as the Nate Silver of this vote. My word is not official. I'm just making a prediction. You'll have to wait for ipse for the final word.

                                                                                                                  2. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                    Pete, thanks for tallying that shit up.

                                                                                                                    1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                      Trappist Kobe Cow Anus Ale will just have to wait until November, then...

                                                                                                                      1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                        What the fuck is this Trappist Kobe beef ale shit all about ????

                                                                                                                        I'm curious. But then again you may just be fucking with the impressionable young populace.

                                                                                                                        1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                          Why you no vote, J.L.? You could have done a write-in for TKCA. :-)

                                                                                                                          1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                            He's too fucking cool for school.

                                                                                                                            In which case, I should revoke my vote too.

                                                                                                                            1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                              You want to cause a 3 way tie? This will be worse than Florida in 2000!

                                                                                                                        2. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                          You sellout, kevin! :) Keeping your vote with shellfish would have won it for us. I'm sure DWEO is just as disappointed as I am with your switch.

                                                                                                                          1. re: OCSteve

                                                                                                                            To be fair, I also switched. I didn't note it because I did it within two hours of my original vote and was able to edit my original vote, so it wasn't necessary to clarify that I had changed it.

                                                                                                                            I do plan on hitting up places in K-Town with shellfish! And fried chicken! And soup and sausage too!

                                                                                                                            1. re: OCSteve

                                                                                                                              Crab stew at ondal 1 buddy. Shellfish and soup and K-Town. Win win win.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Porthos

                                                                                                                                I am kidding. I don't find myself in LA all that often, but that's not a whole lot different than voting on a DotM that some hounds don't care for. I will just have to make sure I schedule some meetings in that area this month.

                                                                                                                                As for the betrayal by kevin and PeterCC, I suppose time (and some good K-town eats) will heal my wounds.

                                                                                                                              2. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                                Glad to see my vote didn't count....

                                                                                                                                1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                                  Oh no! I thought I got everyone. I even went through all the comments twice! That's what I get for trying to do fine-detailed work after midnight. :-(

                                                                                                                                  As I said above (http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9180...), mine was not the official tally, but I can't help but feel bad if ipse used my count.

                                                                                                                                  ipse, what should we do? I'll post to the main thread too.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                                    Jase, I guess your vote did count and Fried Chicken and K-Town did tie. In that event, ipse gets to cast the tie-breaking vote, and even though these occurrences were not explicitly mentioned by ipse, he must have voted for K-Town, since it won. See http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9187.... Sorry for the confusion.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                                      One can get several types of fried chicken in K-Town. Everyone wins this month. :-)

                                                                                                                                        1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                                          My apologies for messing up the votes if that happened to be my doing.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                                        Btw, I apologize if my tone came across as being offensive. I was just being a smart ass. Most of my posts are usually straightforward and I don't always remember that when I actually make a smart ass comment it may not come across. IRL smart ass is my default mode so people are used to my tone, not so much online.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                                          No worries! :-)

                                                                                                                                          So are you gonna try to hit up any fried chicken in K-Town?

                                                                                                                                          1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                                                                            Probably, I'm doing a lot of traveling in Oct it looks like so may not be able to get to Ktown easily from Westside when I'm in town.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                                              Gonna be out of town 2 weekends myself. Will be headed up to Ktown from OC.

                                                                                                                                              Travel is no excuse. ;-)

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Porthos

                                                                                                                                                I didn't say I wasn't going to go. Just that it would limit how much I can go. I'll have to be judicious about what I'm going to try. Then again, maybe I'll just do an all day food crawl.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Porthos

                                                                                                                                                  Go to the K-Town wherever you'll be?

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Porthos

                                                                                                                                                    Haha, Porthos. Pretty sure that Hayward, Wi does not have a KTown (or even a Korean restaurant)! Maybe the twin cities do, tho.