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Peking Duck For $288 at Hakkasan

Just checked out the menu for this new, glam restaurant opening today in Beverly Hills. Prices are in the stratosphere (with exception of $3.00 rice. )It will be interesting to see if this restaurant draws Urusawa customer base. I doubt it

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  1. Went to the one in Miami 2 weeks ago. Everything is about 3-6x markup. Not many choices for Chinese food in Miami so they can get away with that in Miami. Not sure you could justify that kind of markup here.

    The one surprise was the congee with preserved eggs and pork. At $8, I expected a shot sized amuse bouche portion. It was a massive bowl. The texture on the congee was actually pretty good. Too much sesame oil though for my tastes.

    My Miami writeup:

    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/916120

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    1. re: Porthos

      Thanks for your review. I don't think I would be able to ignore the prices. I am glad you enjoyed your meal.

      1. re: Porthos

        similarly, i've had the mapo tofu at the san francisco branch. ~$13 for a decent size, very filling, very good version of it.

        1. re: Porthos

          off topic, but lung gong in miami is pretty great even by LA standards - use the chinese menu. not too far from the airport.

          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/682994

        2. I enjoyed the one in Las Vegas. The pipa duck was fantastic. Prices are steep though.

          1. Not comparing taste (I have tried none of them) but the Peking Duck at Chi-Lin and at Mr. Chow both are $68. I dont see these price points flying. Plus, at least from the outside, Hakkasan appears to be much larger than Urusawa. Beverly Hills desperately needs a good Chinese since the demise of The Mandarin, but not at those prices.

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              1. re: Thor123

                Comparing locations, BH vs SGV, $68 for Peking Duck at Chi-Lin or Mr. Chow is reasonable. As both Ji Rong and Duckhouse charges $35+ for their basic Peking Duck dish with a one hour pre-order. Perhaps one can order Peking Duck without fish eggs for much less at H.

                1. re: FallingLeaves

                  Speaking of Chi Lin, after only 2 months, Yujean Kang left, and no one representing the restaurant wants to talk about it..

                  http://www.wehoville.com/2013/09/18/c...

                  1. re: FallingLeaves

                    So I had the misfortune of having to dine at Mr. Chow and then Hakkasan within a week.

                    Food at Hakkasan is superior by far.

                    Regarding the duck at Mr. Chow. It's $68 per person, 3 person minimum so that makes it $204. Sans caviar.

                    Hakkasan does have a roasted duck (about 1/3-1/2 portion of whole duck) with truffles at $68. Duck was very well done with crispy lacquered skin, pretty much devoid of fat. Very much like good Peking duck. Strong truffle flavor with a few slices of fresh black summer truffles. Clear step up from Sam Woo. 3-4 times better? Obviously not.

                    "Sanpai" seabass was also very good. Very spot on sanbei flavors.

                    Vegetarian dim sum platter also impressive. Good flavors from the mushroom dumplings and the truffle tofu wrapped in beancurd should be on every menu in SGV (minus the truffle oil).

                    Wine list also much better than Mr. Chow's. There were a couple of Chinese tourists in the dining room last night. Food is very good here. Just 2-4x overpriced.

                    1. re: Porthos

                      thanx for the report back Porthos! :>

                      so you "only" had to pay $68 for a 1/3 or 1/2 portion of roast duck (yikes)... so what was the original poster's topic about? Did Hakkasan remove the $288 version of a whole Peking Duck?

                      1. re: chowseeker1999

                        The $288 version was doused in caviar.

                        1. re: Thor123

                          Exactly. The $288 version is still there. But it comes with caviar.

                          1. re: Thor123

                            doused in caviar sounds pretty disgusting.

                            damn, for 288 bones i'd rather hit up Yamakase or Shunji in the height of fugu season.

                              1. re: ns1

                                That is definitely gilding the lilly.

                                I want nothing and I really mean nothing to detract from that ultra crisp skin.

                                Nuff said.

                  2. Kind of obvious, but I am confused - this is not the Beijing place that is supposed to open in Century City Mall, correct?

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                    1. My understanding of Hakkasan is it's more of a lounge than a restaurant. So $288 for that peking duck might not be so bad if you're about to open up an Ace of Spades magnum with your agent.

                      Is this not correct?

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                      1. re: ns1

                        Vegas branch aside, they are first and foremost a restaurant.

                        1. re: Porthos

                          maybe that's why; I only know the Vegas branch.

                        2. re: ns1

                          I guess this is where the saying "Adding insult to injury" comes from..

                          http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/05/zac-efr...

                          1. re: Servorg

                            Keeping in mind Ace of Spades is a $40 champagne, other sayings like "one born every minute" and "...and his money are soon parted" also come to mind.

                            1. re: Porthos

                              Although, if you are waiting tables, and get a $22,000 plus tip on just one check you are probably going to be quite glad about the foolishness that abounds when you are handed more money than brains...

                              1. re: Servorg

                                I think I may just have a new jobey job.

                              2. re: Porthos

                                Are you saying its a $40 value in a $200 package ?

                              3. re: Servorg

                                Unless Chicago is a duty free zone, the receipt is bogus.

                              4. re: ns1

                                Think what you will. Chef Ho Chee Boon is the real deal.

                                His tasting menu at the Las Vegas branch of Hakkasan at the MGM was one of the best meals I've had in 2013.

                                ... As long as he's cooking. (You hear that, Sergio?!)

                              5. The Peking Duck at Hakkasan NYC comes with Kaluga Caviar. Same here?

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                                1. re: ipsedixit

                                  West Coast style: Let's add 12 oz. of Ossetra caviar, shave some trifola d'Alba, with a dollop of red bird's nest, all simmered in consomme of giant panda paw, and hope that Jay Z mentions it on his next single, "Buddha Jumping Over The Hollywood Sign".

                                  1. re: ipsedixit

                                    Think the Miami one did also.

                                    Pretty sure that is the reason for the upcharge.

                                    Miami branch also had braised Australian abalone and braised Japanese abalone with sea cucumber. Around $188 if I remember correctly. Would make them the least marked up dishes actually after the congee.

                                    1. re: Porthos

                                      Let's be honest here for a minute.

                                      No one should go to Hakkasan and expect (1) a budget-conscious meal or (2) anything but ostentatious and gaudy food or (3) both.

                                      If you do, then it really is a "you" problem.

                                      1. re: ipsedixit

                                        Pretty much what I said in my Miami report. Complaining about the prices is like complaining about the humidity in Miami. In this case, akin to complaining about prices in Beverly Hills.

                                        1. re: Porthos

                                          Fool me once, shame on you. Food me twice...

                                          1. re: Servorg

                                            I actually like the food just fine at Hakkasan (NYC and London).

                                      2. re: Porthos

                                        In that case, UrSwa is a downright steak.

                                      3. re: ipsedixit

                                        For $288, it better come with a happy ending.

                                        1. re: JAB

                                          For $288, I can get a 10-course dinner for a table of 10 at most restaurants in SGV. Heck, even Tasty Duck's multi-course menu with their delicious Peking duck comes in at $198.

                                            1. re: JAB

                                              Isn't that like saying you won't pay $15 for a cheeseburger at Umami Burger because you can get a cheeseburger at In N Out for $3.00? Same food, different experiences.

                                              I'm looking forward to having Hakkasan out here. Not that I plan on trying the duck, but I've heard really good things about both the lounge and the food from different people.

                                              1. re: boogiebaby

                                                No, I don't believe that it is.

                                                1. re: JAB

                                                  The duck comes with caviar.

                                                  It's like complaining that a pasta is $100 if you add white truffles but only $20 at other places that serve it without truffles.

                                                  1. re: Porthos

                                                    Thanks, there you go. Gold leaf?

                                                      1. re: JAB

                                                        But shower that shit with gold leaf and I'm so fucking there.

                                                      2. re: Porthos

                                                        Agreed, but like you said, Hakkasan, while very good, is not for bargain hunters...

                                                        1. re: Porthos

                                                          I don't recall anything in the post mentioning caviar.

                                                          1. re: Porthos

                                                            Duck with caviar just sounds vile.

                                                        2. re: boogiebaby

                                                          And In N Out burgers are better than Umami's.

                                                          1. re: TripleAxel

                                                            Agreed, but the point was that you can't compare them based on both of them being cheeseburgers. Size, ingredients and ambiance come into play.

                                                            1. re: boogiebaby

                                                              Don't care for Umami's ambiance. Loud from the music blaring and from customers talking in restaurants that are best for echo-ing sound rather than absorbing it...

                                                                1. re: boogiebaby

                                                                  I know what you're saying, but if the cheap variation is so much tastier and better, then it doesn't matter what the quality of ingredients, the size or the ambiance the high end place uses or has... at least not in my book.

                                                        3. re: JAB

                                                          Just don't order it with cream sauce! The powers that be hate that.

                                                      3. How large it the portion of Peking duck?

                                                        1. I am fairly suspicious of high prices ending in "88" in a Chinese restaurant.

                                                          1. Took a tour yesterday afternoon. Did not eat. Beautiful venue. Great looking bar. I looked at the menu. While expensive for Chinese, no more than Chi Lin or Mr. Chow, other than the caviar peking duck. The rest of the main dishes were mostly in the $20s though some higher. Not Urusawa price point by a long shot. Wont be a regular, but would give it a try.

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                                                              1. re: Thor123

                                                                $20 for mains? That's a steal. Most of the ones in Miami were $40+.

                                                                1. re: Porthos

                                                                  That is not so pricey compared to the heavy fucking hitters around town.

                                                                2. re: Thor123

                                                                  Couldn't be bothered to take pics of the menu? Jk. Thx for reporting.

                                                                  1. re: ns1

                                                                    Actually, they were a bit guarded with the menu. The server showing me around had to get permission to give me a menu. Gorgeous rooms.

                                                                    1. re: Thor123

                                                                      The menus were probably gold plated.

                                                                    2. re: ns1

                                                                      This dim sum platter was on Yelp. You'd figure they at least take the time to place them on the steamer in a manner that when served will highlight the intricacies of each dumpling. Maybe it's just my OCD...

                                                                       
                                                                  2. Just curious; with all the locations they have, why isn't this post in the "chains" category. How is this place any different from, say, PFC and therefore, to be avoided at all cost?

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                                                                    1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                      the food is an order of magnitude better than pf chang's.

                                                                      it is more a chain in the sense that l'atelier robuchon is a chain.

                                                                      it will never show up in hundreds of suburban shopping malls around the country.

                                                                      1. re: Dustin_E

                                                                        I've no doubt it is considerably better than Changs. Most places are. Not all chains are in suburban shopping centers. I can think of a few that are in stand-alone locations. So, what differentiates this place from other chains; price?, trendiness?

                                                                        1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                          It would be like calling Scarpetta or Sasabune a chain, or the Batali empire a chain, or Jean-Georges, Daniel Boulud, or Puck Restaurants a chain. They're not placed in the "Chains" Board for discussion either and this restaurant is specifically in BH so appropriate for LA board discussion. At least that's the way I see it.

                                                                            1. re: Porthos

                                                                              Judging from what I see posted in the 'chain' category, a chain is defined as having multiple locations and serving a standardized menu. That would apply to most of the above mentioned places.

                                                                              1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                                I agree, but none of the discussion of those restaurants are moved from their local boards and placed into the Chains Board.

                                                                                1. re: Porthos

                                                                                  You are also correct and I'm curious as to why. What is the criteria used to differentiate them?

                                                                                  1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                                    Price point or less than 20-50 branches. Take your pick.

                                                                                    1. re: Porthos

                                                                                      I think price point, tho arbitrary, is more likely.

                                                                                2. re: mucho gordo

                                                                                  One defining trait (or annoying constant) of the chain restaurant is in serving processed food. For most (if not all of them) they are merely assembling food items that were delivered frozen or cut open from sealed plastic bags.

                                                                          1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                            What exactly constitutes a chain?

                                                                            I mean, Sushi Zo opened its second location recently. Is that now a chain?

                                                                            Must all discussions on Fleming's, Ruth's Chris, Morton's, & Mastros be moved to the Chains board?

                                                                            Is WP24 & Chinois on Main & Spago part of the Wolfgang Puck chain?

                                                                            I'm not being mean, it's actually an interesting question, from an academic standpoint.

                                                                            1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                              For the same reason that DTF is not in the Chains board.

                                                                                  1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                                    Dat tha fu--actually it's what kevin said.

                                                                                      1. re: kevin

                                                                                        Instead of WTF "What the fu..." Ah forget it. Heh

                                                                                        1. re: PeterCC

                                                                                          Sometimes in explicating ideas or words seemingly find ourselves in an ongoing ontological vicious cycle.

                                                                                          No worries, Pete.

                                                                              1. This place will last 2 years max...... The sophisticated eaters will steer clear from this place as there are plenty of overpriced Asian restos in the city already........ Chow, Crustacean, and Chi Lin..... Remember Phillipe Chow?

                                                                                Been to the one in NYC, and it really is only for expense account type dinners with meh...... food.

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                                                                                1. re: Schweinhaxen

                                                                                  Mr. Chow and Crustacean have managed to keep going. I am willing to give it one try. Hell, I gave Craig's half a dozen tries before giving up.

                                                                                  1. re: Thor123

                                                                                    Craig's sucks ????

                                                                                    I haven't been yet.

                                                                                    I may go to Mr. Chow just for that cool sounding chapmagne cart.

                                                                                    1. re: kevin

                                                                                      Unfortunately, the food at Craig's is marginal. Not close to Tanas, although the menus are different. Too bad, cuz I like Craig and was rooting for him. The atmosphere, service and bar are all good though. As for Mr. Chow, have not been for years, but always found it to be a fun, pricy, evening.

                                                                                      1. re: Thor123

                                                                                        But Craig's is not clubby like Tana's, right ? At least in regards to the bar, right ????

                                                                                        Thanks man.

                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                          Actually, its very clubby. More refined than Tanas. Very nice bar. Actually, the entire restaurant is very nice in a clubby way. Its just the food that is marginal.

                                                                                          1. re: Thor123

                                                                                            I guess I meant schlubby clubby like Tanas if you could my proverbial drift.

                                                                                      2. re: kevin

                                                                                        lots of haters but ive had many fun meals at mr chows...some nice dishes - the lobster dish, the peking duck, the pea tendril things, the sliced steak thing...

                                                                                        i liked the bar atmosphere at craigs and like craig from DT but food so-so -- best item i had there was the lamb chops.

                                                                                        1. re: jessejames

                                                                                          Agree with you on both counts. The fried chicken at Craig's is vile.

                                                                                          1. re: Thor123

                                                                                            But Tanas was good as usual the other night.

                                                                                        2. re: kevin

                                                                                          I think Mr. Chow moved to Malibu, in the cross creek country mart where Nobu was.... And if you come all the way up here and don't tell me, I'll be rippin'.....love that dang champagne cart......

                                                                                            1. re: kevin

                                                                                              As in mad that you didn't tell me you were going up there, not far from my house.....

                                                                                              1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                Oh. I haven't gone to Mr Chow's or the place in Malibu or Giraud just yet.

                                                                                                And there's a Mr. Chow now in Malibu too ? I must have missed that.

                                                                                                1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                  Can't believe that I hadn't yet.

                                                                                                  I was actually on an eggplant parm fix this past week and the winner was Tanas if one can believe it even better than the more classic version served at madeos.

                                                                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                                                                    Good to know, if I'm not in the mood for steak.....

                                                                                                    1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                      but in all honesty, it may have been an off night, because in the previous couple times i had it at madeo it was pretty good.

                                                                                        3. re: Schweinhaxen

                                                                                          Then there's always Joss Cuisine and Xi'an in Beverly Hills for upscale Chinese. And then there is, of course, Chinois on Main and WP24.

                                                                                          1. re: TripleAxel

                                                                                            Have not been to Joss since they moved. Loved the old location. The owner (or original owner) is a partner in Chi-Lin. Xian is good but kind of boring. Its a nice room, but not upscale in the vein of Chow, Chi-Lin or Chinois (which I have never thought of as a Chinese restaurant).

                                                                                          2. re: Schweinhaxen

                                                                                            >> This place will last 2 years max......
                                                                                            >> The sophisticated eaters will steer clear from this place
                                                                                            >> is only for expense account type dinners with meh...... food.

                                                                                            Because surely a restaurant couldn't remain profitable by catering to the expense account crowd!

                                                                                          3. Holy crap. My friends and I once got a whole Peking duck spread for maybe $30 total in the Outer Richmond! And it was delicious.

                                                                                            1. Where did you see the prices on the menu? The menu I see online has no prices.

                                                                                              There is a whole Peking duck dish with Tsar Nicoulai ‘Reserve’ caviar. I assume that's the $288 duck. I suspect it's the caviar that reflects that high price more than the duck.

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                                                                                              1. re: foodiemahoodie

                                                                                                I went in and toured the place and saw the menu with prices. Agree the price is caviar driven. The rest of the menu is priced high like Chi-Lin or Mr. Chow, but not off the charts.

                                                                                              2. i love this discussion because I've no interest in act going to this place. $288 was the price of the set meal w6 apps and 8 different duck dishes incl. roast duck at the old Quanjude in Rosemead.
                                                                                                What is most curious is that we don't know if it's the open hearth hardwood roasting Beijing roast duck method exemplified by Quanjude or the closed straw-fired oven method with broth in the duck cavity exemplified by Bianyifang. Both authentic, both no older than 1854.
                                                                                                Kaluga caviar? Is that kalifornia beluga? Curious. If someone wants to make a freak fusion duck, hurray. For mo money, Beijing duck house on Rosemead (penglai yuan) has the best in town. One can call 20 minutes ahead and get the h duck started. They don't have the kongxinbing that Quanjude made, a round and more elegant version of shaobing. But hope whoever goes her enjoys it. Could be fun...

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                                                                                                1. re: Jerome

                                                                                                  It's not traditional Beijing Duck, nor does it pretend to be. That's why it's 288, and that's why it *can* be 288.

                                                                                                  Sort of like those delis that sell "Black Forest Ham"

                                                                                                  1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                    I had the Peking Duck at Le Chin Wok last night. Pretty good. $17.

                                                                                                    1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                      Is this the one http://www.lechinewokbelair.com/About... up in Beverly Glen Circle? It's got an e on the bottom of its chin but I don't see another one locally.

                                                                                                      1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                        Thor, didn't you also mentioned that the Le Chin Wok in Beverly Glen Circle, catty corner from Vibrato, served a great soft shell crab ??????????

                                                                                                        How's the deli there, btw ?????

                                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                                          They do have good soft shell crab. The deli is pretty good.

                                                                                                  2. anyone been recently? what are some of the good things to get?

                                                                                                    1. Had dinner last week - enjoyed the duck salad. Steamed fish was sorely overcooked. Other items were decent but nothing special. Nice interior - good drinks menu.

                                                                                                      Waitress was hopeless - could not pronounce any of the chinese teas. Service was disorganized.

                                                                                                      Not enough redeeming qualities for me to scurry back anytime soon.

                                                                                                      Hopefully Newport does a better job foodwise.

                                                                                                      1. Le Chine Wok does a good 1/2 Peking Duck for $16. I get it to go all the time.

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                                                                                                        1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                          If you're talking about the one in Bel Air, then I would rather a tub of their white rice and some soy sauce than their Peking Duck.