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chowhound family that likes adventure with great foodie places

family travelling with kids 7 & 9 have been on adventures to food trucks all in spanish in san diego to hawaii korean food at angry korean with her rules, to farmers markets, DDD locations. Cuban sandwiches, & seafood joints , italian sandwiches and canolli's.

Dim sum not really our thing or chinese,
Love mexican
Great burger joint (we did not go to (In & Out )before may hit it for the trouristy thing)
Food trucks
Love happy hours and fixed meals to save a few $$
No rainforest cafe or other chain like places.

We will be staying at the Holiday Inn at Fisherman's wharf 3 days.we will have a car so will drive for great places.

We will hit the ferry Building
We dont want romantic fine dining locations.

Love to hear what you chowhounders can recommend for us.


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  1. Food truck central behind San Francisco Costco. Looks interesting but I haven't eaten there because I can't pass up the 1/4 pound hot and drink across the street.


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    1. re: wolfe

      Haha hilarious!
      We have a Costco membership, our hotel doesn't offer breakfast so will pick up items at Costco. Will look at your food truck link.

      Would Costco be the best spot to buy beer and wine price wise?

        1. re: wolfe

          i should check if a Bev and Mo in the area, we still talk about the adventure of MO time $2 for 5 glasses of wine and veggies cheese and crackers,,OH MY

          1. re: palmtree38

            There are a couple of BevMos in San Francisco. There's also a Trader Joe's on Bay St. near Fisherman's Wharf.

    2. our 9 and 10 year old love food too :) We dont get to that side of town too often, but some random places that we visit include:

      - Little Skillet for their chicken and mac 'n cheese
      - Primavera (mexican) at the Sat farmers market (which has a great selection of other food too - 4505 meats, namu etc)
      - 18th street has some great food places (namu, tartine, delfina, bi-rite ice cream etc)
      - 24th street also has some good food (humphrey slocom, wise son, torta los picudos, pals takeaway). La taqueria on 25th and mission is very good too. You can do a taco and ice cream crawl in that neighbourhood.
      - the cafe at the academy is pretty good

      too many good place to eat,too little time :(


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      1. re: dlobo

        Unfort wont be there for sat farmers market ::((

        Tues-friday sched

        1. re: palmtree38

          There is a smaller farmers market in front of the ferry bldg Tues 10a-2p

          1. re: cakebaker

            There are smaller markets at the Ferry Building on both Tuesday and Thursday.

            1. re: absc

              Great will be there tues and thursday.

        2. re: dlobo

          I agree with the recommendation of an ice-cream and taco crawl through the Mission. That is exactly what I would have liked doing at age 7 or 9!

          1. re: dlobo

            So mission is a safe area to walk around then .
            Is this a trolley ride and if so which one from Holiday inn at the wharf . Or can we walk it?

            Tacos and ice cream ole

            1. re: palmtree38

              I wouldn't recommend walking from the Wharf to the Mission with two little kids. You can take the F streetcar to the Castro and walk to the Mission from there.

              And, the Mission is on the gritty side, I guess, but you'll be fine. I would just rather not linger at the intersection of 16th and Mission; it's kinda gross.

              1. re: Violatp

                The F streetcar to Castro would work for getting to the Mission, or you could take the 49 bus down VanNess and then continue on down Mission Street.

                The walk along 24th Street might be a good choice for your group, between Mission St. and Potrero. Favorite places of mine in that stretch are Taqueria Vallarta and La Torta Gorda. There's also Humphrey Slocombe ice cream.

                Then you could also walk up Valencia St. from there, and up to Bi-Rite and Dolores Park, which has a new and fun playground. Seems like a trip to Bi-Rite and a play on that playground would also be fun for 7 and 9 yr olds.

                1. re: Dave MP

                  Ah, yes. The 49 is a better suggestion; then you don't have to walk at all to get to the Mission. Just take it straight to 24th and Mission!

                  1. re: Violatp

                    The street car may be more fun for the kids no?? Is streetcar the same as the trolley bus?

                    Taco and ice cream crawl is a awesome idea.
                    Just making up my itinerary and most popular food recommendations you all gave me

                    1. re: palmtree38

                      The streetcar is fun a couple of times. It can also be a fairly long ride from fishermans wharf to castro (45-60 mins)

                      a combination of playgrounds (dolores park, mission and 19th, mission and 25th), sweets (ice cream, dandelion chocolate, baked goods) and tacos will make for an awesome day

                      if you are into indoor rock climbing, mission cliffs at 19th and harrison is also quite nice (especially if its a cold windy day)


                      1. re: palmtree38

                        Would definitely be fun - especially if you get one with wooden seats and stuff. Every F streetcar is different; some are more modern than others.

                        It's a question of how much your kids are willing/able to walk, I think, which only you will know! :-)

                        I think if you take the F, your crawl would start at, basically, Church and Market, and you can walk to 18th and Church from there, hang a left, and proceed from there down 18th to Valencia, then down Valencia to 24th, then hang a left on 24th and continue. You could then finish by walking back to Mission & 24th and take the 49 back to the hotel. (Is that correct? I never took the 49 to the Wharf area)

                        Whereas if you took the 49 down, you could probably start at 24th and Mission, go east on 24th for a bunch of blocks, then turn around and walk back the way you came plus a few blocks to get to Valencia and head north back up to Valencia and 18th, and then going up to Church and Market and taking the streetcar back to the Wharf.

                        It's quite a lot of walking! Fun walking and no problem for healthy adults, but you know your kids patience!

                        1. re: Violatp

                          I think you gave a really excellent walkl I don't mind Mission Street at all but understand that it is a bit scuzzy.

                          1. re: Violatp

                            The F is the "historic streetcar line". It is above ground from around fisherman's wharf all the way over to near the castro. SF Muni buys streetcars from around the world, refurbishes them, and runs them. It's a rolling museum. They have old LA cars (the "red cars" popularized in Who Killed Roger Rabbit), philly, milan, I don't know, all kinds of stuff.

                            It is also the same line as in this 1906 video from before the 'quake, you can see the line leading to the ferry building.

                            Back to food. I think an excellent day goes from around the castro or church muni, through dolores park (look out for the gold fire hydrant), down to birite, onto one of the walking tours for murals, ending up around HS. You can do a little research and have a few places in your back pocket.

                            I really liked the pulled goat at SouthPaw BBQ when I did a recent walk like this, and the house brewed beer is a real winner. The whiskey flight put it over the top, but perhaps not of interest to your crowd.

                            The best ice cream in the city right now is at Mr and Ms Miscellaneous. To get there, grab the 22 which runs down 16th street through the entire mission, ride it to the end, and you're in this very industrial section that's gentrifying. You can get back to "civilization" from the T Muni line, which has a stop right out front. There is no easy way from HS to MMM by public transit, your budget might approve an Uber SUV, or the kids legs might be long enough for a City Bike Share, if there is a bus (48?) it's one of the more unreliable in the city.

                            OTOH, the last time I took some 7 and 9 year olds to MMM, I got all the way out there and was met with a huge sign that said "SOLD OUT OF ICE CREAM". So you might want to call just before.

                            1. re: bbulkow

                              As improbable as it sounds, I've also been met with a similar sign at M&M Misc.

                              The 48 does go there. It's essentially the same as taking the 22.
                              Not a great route for a visitor. I'd suggest taking the T line in both directions instead. Then again, I'd probably suggest skipping the detour entirely on a short visit. Plenty in the Mission, or within distance of other attractions.

                              1. re: sugartoof

                                Yeah, it's pretty far out of the way and there's not much non-food activities down there.

                                1. re: bbulkow

                                  It's good for an after ballpark visit, otherwise it's one of the less convenient excursions we can send tourists on, even with a car.

                                  1. re: bbulkow

                                    Wow this thread is hot i am goi g to sit down with a cali red wine and read all these posts and copy paste to my itinary

                                  2. re: sugartoof

                                    We will also have a car so we can drive to restaurants . Ice cream. Food trucks etc.

                                    1. re: sugartoof

                                      Yes too much out of the way for ice cream..

                                      Will stick with taco and ice cream crawl in mission,

                                      Is parking in this area expensive or street coin meters? As we could take a car to mission rather then all the busses/street cars.

                                      1. re: palmtree38

                                        It's a personal thing. There are few lots in the mission, so you have to find street parking. If you have a second sense, you won't spend half your vacation looking for a parking space. SF has changed most of its meters to include a credit card reader, or load the parking-payment app onto your smartphone.

                                        Generally, your precious vacation time shouldn't be spent looking for a space. Take cabs (everything REALLY IS CLOSE) - use a "hailing app" like FreeWheel on your phone - or take BART to get close then hoof it a few blocks.

                                        I would never, ever suggest anyone to take a car to the mission - but I do it all the time myself. I know enough of the blocks and the nooks and crannies that I can usually ferret out a space (unless it's friday night).

                                        1. re: palmtree38

                                          The Mission is probably the most congested parking situation in the evenings, because it's residents fighting with patrons to the shops for spots.

                                          Daytimes are more relaxed. Main drags like 24th are prone to having a lot of spaces come and go. At it's worst, parking in the Mission means leaving your car on a strange side street, farther away than you intended after driving arond for 20 minutes.... but if you're walking around, what's the difference? Stick to more populated streets when you can though.

                                          The idea is just to get a space in the general area.
                                          If any of that causes you anxiety, just take Muni/Bart.

                                          That's how locals do it.

                                          1. re: sugartoof

                                            Ok great!

                                            I will look up passes for adults and kids, maybe better to buy hop on off type or book of tickets then paying each time

                                              1. re: palmtree38

                                                To clarify, I didn't mean that locals take the public transit alone, I meant, that's the whole shebang that locals go through.

                                                Kids are a discounted fare. You get a 2 hour transfer. If it's a paper transfer (instead of dispensed from a machine), you can get away with using it for longer. Unless there's a weekend pass offer, you might be better off paying per ride, though adults are $2 each.

                                                1. re: palmtree38

                                                  We usually ride the BART into the mission with my boys. They hate the parking game. Who am I kidding - I hate the parking game.

                                                  From the Wharf to the Ferry Building we hoof it (usually I let the boys take scooters - they can do it once you pass pier 37ish). You can rent bikes. The MUNI trains are decent too, but my boys find the buses too slow - they would rather walk/ride.

                                                  Just remember to keep your MUNI passes out of your back pockets - they are prime fodder for pickpocketers.

                                                  Oh - and as far as the itinerary with so many suggested, I actually suggest you find what you want to see in the city and there will be plenty around. There is nothing that will turn kids off to a city more than having to drive around in traffic and find parking, or sitting on a city bus for an hour for a single morsel of food.

                                                  San Francisco is small, just some neighborhoods are easier to walk to than others. One year one Christmas eve we covered SOMA to Nob Hill to Mission to Noe Valley on foot and one BART ride - with all my kids.

                                                  1. re: jsaimd

                                                    Agree with the comment that with 2 adults, and 2 kids, a cab might be worth it for certain rides. Then again, waiting for the bus or trying to call a cab can be as frustrating as parking.

                                                    "Just remember to keep your MUNI passes out of your back pockets - they are prime fodder for pickpocketers. "

                                                    Their MUNI passes are safe. They're more likely to drop or misplace one than they are at risk from a pickpocket.

                                                    1. re: sugartoof

                                                      I've been pickpocketed with MUNI passes and know others that have too.

                                                      1. re: jsaimd

                                                        I still wouldn't want a visitor to think they're really at risk of pickpocketing sprees targeting MUNI passes. Whatever blackmarket exists for MUNI fares comes from subsidized/discounted cards issued by MUNI and the city itself and obtained dubiously. The cards are easy to drop and misplace though.

                                                    2. re: jsaimd

                                                      Arrive around dinner after drive from Monterey stopping at HP stte park to see Redwoods.
                                                      Next morning drive over the golden gate bridge park on other side and walk part of it, spend lunch time and few hours at golden gate park. Visit Long bard Street (curved street) knob hill houses

                                                      Next day early morning tickets purchased for Alcatraz
                                                      Afternoon spent at Exploritarium

                                                      Following day drive to twin peaks and head to San Ramon

                                                      We will also add the ferry building, pier 39 and Fisherman's wharf into agenda

                                                      1. re: palmtree38

                                                        Lombard Street, the second twistiest street and San Francisco.
                                                        "Remember the Maine" oops make that the Vermont.
                                                        I would say while you are near the North GGB you should go to the Marin Headlands for the most spectacular view of the City over the bridge but it may be closed.

                                                    3. re: palmtree38

                                                      Everything works via Clipper Card now. You can also pay cash and there are supposedly some cases where cash is better, for transfers.

                                                      I strongly recommend cabs, again. Once you get 4 tickets vs a $10 cab ride, it's break even. With these smartphone hailing apps, it's simple. If I have to meet someone for dinner in the mission, I take the train to 22nd St and grab a cab over - which only works with a hailing app, because there are very few cabs at 22nd St caltrain - the $15 cab ride is worth it for me.

                                                      We also now have City Bike Share, but this isn't optimal for kids. I love these as a tourist in other cities ( I loved tooling around NYC a few weeks ago on their system ).

                                                      1. re: bbulkow

                                                        In my usual troggy way, I had no idea that there were taxi hailing apps, a boon to gastrotourists in a city they know but not well like me and the SO. Thanks for steering me in that direction ie. toward the good food faster. We've spent our fair share of time waiting for SF cabs that never came....

                                                        I think I'll check this one out since I have an Android and it doesn't add a charge or a tip: http://www.siliconbeat.com/2013/06/10...

                                                        1. re: grayelf

                                                          I wont be using my iohone for apps as the roaming fees will be HUGE from canada

                                                          1. re: palmtree38

                                                            I am Canadian too and have solved that problem by using Roam Mobility. I can't be in a foodie city without access to Chowhound, for heaven's sake :-).

                                                            1. re: grayelf

                                                              Roam mobility. Never heard of that
                                                              my spouse and i are on Whatsapp if in wifi area to text each each other with no fees.

                                                              1. re: palmtree38

                                                                Deffo google it and see what you think. The only low cost ($3-4 per day for unlimited talk/text plus a whack of data) option I've found for Canucks. You unlock your phone, buy a simcard and then load however many days you need. Data can be a bit unreliable depending on what part of SF you are in but improving all the time

                                                          2. re: grayelf

                                                            rideshare with Lyft

                                                            my neighbor and her teen daughter like Uber for rides to restaurants here in the City

                                                            1. re: Cynsa

                                                              Wont be using my iphone except texts and emergencies. Canadians are heavily charged for roaming fees and these apps.

                                                              Will use reg busses or drive

                                                              1. re: palmtree38

                                                                I buy an international roaming plan when I'm out of the US so that I can use my iPhone. Maybe your carrier has something similar.

                                                                1. re: Melanie Wong

                                                                  Sweet! I am with bell too.
                                                                  75cents a text normally.

                                                                  1. re: palmtree38

                                                                    I'm with AT&T and it charges a lot more for international plans, so lucky you. But I couldn't imagine not having ready access to data on my phone. Text comes in handy too, and I rarely use the voice but it does cover checking voicemails. I use DataMan and Onavo apps to help manage data usage when I'm roaming.

                                                                    Some SF restaurants such as Flour + Water will text you when your table's ready.

                                                                    1. re: Melanie Wong

                                                                      I can't imagine trying to navigate travel without map apps or even a couple food related apps.

                                                                      1. re: sugartoof

                                                                        I have to admit I just came over to the dark side and got a data phone this summer. So I am a newbie to much of the apps and navigating all its capabilities.

                                                                        1. re: palmtree38

                                                                          Some apps (like Yelp, Urban Spoon) use gps signals to give searches nearby your location. It means you could search "ice cream" or "burger' from any corner, get suggestions, and then get directions according to your method of transport.

                                                                        2. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                          I've found efficiency goes _way_ up. My ability to redirect, on vacation, hit a different spot when something is closed / unexpected / etc is high.... although one has to remember to simply keep one's nose in the air.

                                                                          After I've experienced the high efficiency of working with GPS / Apps, it is hard to go back.

                                                                          Another example: GF and I rented a car in Ecuador. We went east from Guyaquil knowing we'd have to crest the continental divide and would eventually hit a town with hotels.... as we were driving on a mud road in fog with 20 foot visibility and multi-thousand foot drop. With my trusty GPS & phone, and more than a little observation of busses that loom out of the fog for only a moment, we stayed on track and had a fine dinner & hotel in Cuenca, my favorite town in Ecuador.

                                                                          I'm not sure I would have done that without GPS & Phone - more random encounters.

                                                                        3. re: Melanie Wong

                                                                          When I am in a remote country for more than a few days, I buy a SIM and use one of my older phones. In italy for a week, I bought a SIM for $20 that gave me 1.5G of data, used that phone as a wireless hotspot, with my tablet. A sweet navigation aid for checking out the history of different towns while driving, and finding restaurants. I loved that restaurant in Udine, one of the remaining Fruilian restaurants combining Austrian and Italian. Yum.

                                                                          If you don't have a phone, cabs in SF are tough. You can have your hotel call one, and have a hotel or bar call one when you leave. You can't count on street hailing anywhere (sometimes it works, more often cabs aren't in sight and won't stop)

                                                                2. re: grayelf

                                                                  That article isn't accurate. Flywheel doesn't tack on a tip of %20 - there's an area where you can specify a default tip, and one is "other" - you can make whatever default tip you want.

                                                                  Cabs are a real boon to the tourist - gets you out of the small areas with poorer restaurants - let us know how that all works out.

                                                                  1. re: bbulkow

                                                                    Thanks, I noticed you can change the tip on Flywheel. I think the extra charge per callout is still there though. Not clear whether NexTaxi has actually expanded into SF yet -- I've installed the app and emailed them to find out.

                                              2. re: Dave MP

                                                Don't forget Xanath Ice Cream while passing through Valencia. The vanilla, and safron flavors are underrated.

                                              3. re: Violatp

                                                Were also good with a drive to restaurant for pick up to eat at hotel as well.

                                          2. Go during the daytime to Joe's Cable Car for great hamburgers and a fun atmosphere. Namu Gaji or grab a picnic from BiRite Grocery to eat in Dolores Park at the end of the block. If you love mexican and want a vegan food adventure, check out Gracias Madre on Mission. The kids might like the candy case at St. Francis Fountain on 24th.

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                                            1. re: mlutsky

                                              Do not go to Joe's Cable Car. Ordinary food at extraordinary prices.

                                            2. The food truck park across from Costco (SoMa StrEat Food Park) mentioned by another poster is a definite must. Rotating roster (usually nine trucks), good variety of choices, lots of sheltered and unsheltered seating, and convenient restrooms. Open every day at lunch and dinner.

                                              Off the Grid has many food truck/food cart events at different times and different locations. If you are in town on Friday night their signature event is at Fort Mason Center (around 30 vendors).

                                              There's a mini-food truck pod at the Wharf on Jones Street at the end of the F Street car line. Carmel Pizza (haven't tried), Fairy Codmother Fish & Chips (very good) and Tanguito (excellent Argentinian Empanadas),.

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                                              1. re: soupçon

                                                Any food trucks you can recommend or items off menus at the food truck park?

                                                Or is fairy codmother and Tanguito also parked here ?? As only need one food truck experience.

                                                Ay happy hour places near the wharf?

                                                1. re: palmtree38

                                                  Fairy Codmother and Tanquito are "anchored" where they are and don't move around.

                                                  The trucks at the StrEAt Food Park rotate, so I don't know who'll be there on any given day.; I'd advise taking a look at their offerings and their lines and choosing something on your own.

                                                  1. re: soupçon

                                                    Is this fairy codmother the same as codmother fish and chip restaurant?? As this is rated high on trio advisor

                                                  2. re: palmtree38

                                                    Chairman Bao...haven't tried the duck but love the pork on steamed buns.


                                                  3. re: soupçon

                                                    Off the Grid at Fort Mason will be exactly what they want.

                                                    Soma Food Park isn't worth the excursion. The selection is typically poor, and it's too easy to get there when there's only 3 lousy trucks open, and another 3 trucks either prepping, washing the truck, or getting ready to drive off. It's more lively during prime hours, but those aren't so obvious and defeat the purpose of a full time Food Park. I seem to recall the Twitter for them was listing trucks available on any given day, which helps, but more often than not, this place is a ghost town.

                                                    Codmother gets great reviews, and I recently tried it. The fish is fresh enough, but it's nothing remarkable. Batter is generic, with little flavor. Fries are generic frozen, and again little flavor. I'd have been better off drinking some grease and eating the tartar packets. One reason they're turning up on places like Trip Adviser is a promotion for a free fried dessert from the Duck Tours. Far from the best fish and chips.

                                                    1. re: sugartoof

                                                      Would be a good detour on the way to a GGB excursion, too, if they wanted.

                                                      1. re: sugartoof

                                                        They hve duck tours in SF too? Geeze they were all over boston

                                                        GGB excursion????

                                                        1. re: palmtree38

                                                          Golden Gate Bridge

                                                          Sometimes, I'm lazy.

                                                        2. re: sugartoof

                                                          Wow there is alot of trucks here!!
                                                          Is this something we can gwt to by trolley or take our car?

                                                          Sugartoof have you been here often as you seem to have much knowledge on trucks . Have any fav trucks and dishes?

                                                          We were lucky to attend the monthly eat the street in waikkii when the trucks were all decked out in christmas lights and music playng. Fun afternoon for all.

                                                          Not interested in going to a restaurant for a free desert only. If its greatnfoos and bonus desert sure but its not luring me in.

                                                          1. re: palmtree38

                                                            I just got back from a smaller version of the Fort Mason event, which goes on in the Haight, and it was a lot like what you described with the Waikiki event. Lots of lights, some live music. Some of the trucks had really long lines (Chairman Bao, Sisig, Curry up Now) but they were easy to avoid.

                                                            I haven't been back to the Fort Mason one in about 4-5 months, but the most interesting food was from the stands, not the trucks. I think those menus change up each week.

                                                            I think there was a thread on here with reviews of some long time trucks.

                                                          2. re: sugartoof

                                                            I have gone to Soma Streat Food Park during prime hours - around lunch - and think it's fantastic. The place is all local tech kids and a lively atmosphere, but not such long lines. One has to just take a turn around and look at the trucks and choose one. I can see the point that it's a little small time though.

                                                            At our house, we will not be going to anything like OTG. After one experience at a different similar thing (Edgeware Eats) where it took 45 minutes to get ANY food out of a truck - while you're standing around - much resentment. We did go to the Menlo Park monday at willow & middlefield recently and had a good time - there were tables.

                                                            BUT -

                                                            you really want to hit fruitvale for tacos. Take the bart, the kids will love it. There's an epic thread with suggestions of half a dozen taco joints all in a few blocks.

                                                            Another great fun voyage is to Half Moon Bay if the boats are actually catching - you can call the harbormaster to see what's in, but you'll need a car for the afternoon, and you'll see a real "fisherman's wharf". Several of the restaurants at the harbor will cook whatever you buy off the boats.

                                                            Another great one is grabbing picnic supplies at the ferry building and catching the boat to Angel island. There's historical stuff for the kids, and you can simply walk the island to the historical stuff, or hike to the top - probably not reasonable for kids. In the ferry building, one usually hits that one meat shop and Cowgirl and get a fresh baguette.

                                                            Given your list, I think you need some chinese. Places like Dongbei Mama and Spices! - not in chinatown - are where you want to be -- szheuan places.

                                                            There's a place called outerlands near the beach that people keep raving about. Haven't been, but it's got a rep as a solid locals place.

                                                            1. re: bbulkow

                                                              You can't judge OTG by another event entirely.
                                                              I've never experienced 45 minute lines at OTG.
                                                              See a long line, move to the next truck.

                                                              As for Soma Streat Food, here's the twitter. Some days/months are better than others. I've personally never seen it lively.


                                                              1. re: sugartoof

                                                                The experience wasn't a long line, it was a 45 minute wait at a truck with a modest line. And, yes, it's unfair to paint all food trucks with badness because of one, but that's what GF did.

                                                                In fairness, sometimes the wait for food is really long and I like a place to sit down. GF is starting to warm to food trucks again, but that 3 minutes to order, 45 minutes (when they already have your money) was a BIT MUCH.

                                                                re: Streat Food, I go by my own experiences. I think I've been there 3 or 4 times. A full monty of trucks, plenty of people, most seats taken at the tables.

                                                                1. re: bbulkow

                                                                  Ok all this truck talk I am getting confused on which one we should go to?

                                                                  The one near costco is hit and miss as trucks are coming and going. Which is called Soma Street Food Park OR

                                                                  There's a mini-food truck pod at the Wharf on Jones Street at the end of the F Street car line OR

                                                                  Fort Mason foos trucks OR

                                                                  OTG (which stands for what?)

                                                                  1. re: palmtree38

                                                                    You're getting different opinions. Chowhound is not known for its uniformity of opinions --- you'll have to choose....

                                                                    OTG stands for Off The Grid.
                                                                    Here is their weekly schedule:

                                                                    but they are best known for their Ft Mason thing

                                                                    1. re: palmtree38

                                                                      Of The Grid at Fort Mason has dozens of trucks, and usually life music. If you go to one, this is it.

                                                                      There are other mini markets the same organizers put on during the week.

                                                                      Then there's also a permanent parking lot turned into a food truck food court, with a beer garden, and while I don't think it's worth visiting, others here are enthusiastic about it and have had different experiences.

                                                                2. re: bbulkow

                                                                  Is there any deep sea fishing trips for families? Or is the water too rough in october ie sea sick.
                                                                  my son caught some snapper that we cooked up pool side which we washed down with a cold corona.

                                                                  1. re: palmtree38

                                                                    Fishing off the SF coast can be an iffy proposition for the faint of heart as 8' swells are sometimes considered a good day. You may want to consider fishing for stripers inside the bay if the bite happens to be good while you are here. Many of the local party boats cater to kids too, but be sure to ask first.

                                                                3. re: sugartoof

                                                                  Ok i figured out what OTG stands for. This is a site with a calendar that indicates the location and how many trucks and what trucks will be at each location on that day .correct????

                                                                  1. re: palmtree38

                                                                    Yes. That's correct.

                                                                    Personally, I would go to the three trucks at the Wharf first mostly because Tanguito is such a standout for empanadas, burgers, paella, etc.

                                                                    I've not been to the pizza one yet nor the fish & chips. They're right by your hotel, so you can have a truck experience when it's convenient to fit it in without taking time away from your other touring.

                                                                    The majority of the food trucks' offerings at the various sites are not worth the time of standing in line nor making a special trip to get there. It's mostly for the experience rather than the food. It can be fun and good people-watching.

                                                                    Fort Mason Off the Grid does offer you a bayside eating experience and maybe it fits into your touring plans. I can't think of any other side attractions for visiting SOMA StrEat food park.

                                                                    1. re: Melanie Wong

                                                                      Good round up. The only thing marginally near StrEat would be a waltz through the Misson's murals, but I'd rather pair that walking tour with a grand fiesta of tacos.

                                                                      Most people agree that "The Chairman" (ex Chairman Bao) is also a standout, and if you find that anywhere, it's worth checking out.

                                                                      1. re: bbulkow

                                                                        When you mention a grand fiesta of tacos are you going to several locations ?? And this is around mission as others mentioned?

                                                                      2. re: Melanie Wong

                                                                        Yah, sorry, I'm aware it's not the greatest list and the article is not exactly angled at your sweet spot. But it seemed relevant and the timing was such that I thought I'd pass it on.

                                                                        I'm going to throw another couple of places in the mix:
                                                                        -- Lolo's

                                                                        -- State Bird Provisions
                                                                        (really hard to reserve. But if you show up at say 4:30-4:45 on any given day and can keep yourselves occupied until 5:30, you'll surely get in on the first wave. But I think it would be really really fun for foodies in training, and the staff is so nice that I'm sure they'd be nice to the kids)

                                                                        1. re: Melanie Wong

                                                                          " I can't think of any other side attractions for visiting SOMA StrEat food park."
                                                                          About 1/3 mile from fantastic bulk herb and spice selection at Rainbow Grocery.

                                                                          1. re: wolfe

                                                                            Yeah, but does Rainbow have crayons?

                                                                            1. re: wolfe

                                                                              An organic/vegetarian grocery store is probably not high on their list for a three day visit, don't you think?

                                                                              1. re: Violatp

                                                                                My last 3 day trip to Philadelphia I hit Dibruno's for cheese and the Reading Terminal Market for produce and sausages. Different strokes for different folks.

                                                                                1. re: wolfe

                                                                                  Reading Terminal Market is predominantly a food court.
                                                                                  Rainbow Market is a co-op health food store.

                                                                                  1. re: sugartoof

                                                                                    Thank you for clearing that up. All those bakeries, fish and meat markets confused me.

                                                                                    1. re: wolfe

                                                                                      Just saying that, especially if I had two small-ish kids with me, a grocery store wouldn't really be tops on my list as a destination.

                                                                                      To pick up some provisions, sure, but Costco is already covering that area.

                                                                                      Though, who knows, maybe it's a quirk the OP has and would love to see Rainbow. On that point, you're correct.

                                                                                      The last time I was in the city, I detoured from the airport to the Parkside Market on Taraval for blood oranges. Then dropped in on Guerra Meats for old times sake. So, a couple of markets were definitely destinations!

                                                                                      1. re: Violatp

                                                                                        Vio some chowhounds live in states where sume spices* are not easily found and those that cost 50 to a dollar an ounce at Rainbow cost 5 to 10 times as much by mail order. I believe Palmtree lives somewhere that good shops abound and Rainbow isn't needed.
                                                                                        *Example: ground cayenne pepper 90000 Scovill units

                                                                                      2. re: wolfe

                                                                                        It would be like comparing Rainbow to the Ferry Building.

                                                                                2. re: wolfe

                                                                                  We love buying unique spices or rubs from vacations to cook at home.

                                                                                  Any good ones ?

                                                                                  1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                    That is one of my favorite souvenirs to buy as well!

                                                                                    Golden Gate Meat company in the ferry building has some nice rubs. I've never actaully bought the rubs separately (rather, I've had them put them on meat that I was purchasing) but they do sell them separately, I believe.

                                                                                    1. re: pauliface

                                                                                      Adam's Rub, (if they're still) sold at the Ferry Building.

                                                                                    2. re: palmtree38

                                                                                      I'm a fan of the spice blends at 4505 Meats. Since it sounds like you will be in the Mission, their shop at 15th and Mission, will not be out of your way.

                                                                                      1. re: absc

                                                                                        I second this one big time. It's not far from Four Barrel for coffee, and a small selection of pastries. The kids might be young for coffee, but the Affogato there is worth some bad parenting.

                                                                                        4505 Meats is an artisan butcher, so it's fun window shopping too. The times I've been in, the smells have made me think twice about their meats, but the pantry items (like spice blends) are a nice selection.

                                                                                        1. re: sugartoof

                                                                                          Smells? I buy almost all of my meat there and am a big fan. Though, the block in general may smell.
                                                                                          That said, if one is in the neighborhood, both the spice rubs and the Chicharrones are great things to take home.

                                                                            1. re: ceekskat

                                                                              This menu looks great! Which location is best and or closest to where we are staying (fishermans wharf)

                                                                              1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                18th St. location.

                                                                                Also, recently took my teens, young niece & nephew to Rosamunde Sausage Grill followed by dessert at The Creme Brûlée Cart (on 24th near Mission). Grill is a family favorite but CBC was new to us & we really enjoyed it, especially the chocolate one. A little pricey but we shared as we were full from lunch.

                                                                                Another family favorite is Roam Artisan Burger. DH enjoys Super Duper, local burger chain, but rest of us haven't tried.

                                                                                Lastly, don't know your budget but take a look at Sotto Mare in North Beach. Haven't been but frequent board rec for seafood.

                                                                                1. re: ceekskat

                                                                                  Great wrote it down! Now im not a fan of mexican brakfast so I will be looking to go here for lunch or dinner. What are some of your fav dishes

                                                                                  Also rosamunde looks great but my kids recently said were not fans of sausages ! So will have to skip.

                                                                                  They LOVE burgers and pasta so will take a boo at roam artisian and super duper.

                                                                                  1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                    So go to Rosamunde on hamburger day and while they get theirs you get your sausage

                                                                                    "At Rosamunde Sausage Grill the line starts forming early on Tuesday. Only on that day does Rosamunde serve their legendary cheese burger. I got there just before they open at 11:30. There were about fifteen people in line. Many more came behind me. Rosamunde only serves 150 of their 8-ounce masterpiece, and only on this day."

                                                                                    1. re: wolfe

                                                                                      for Burger Tuesday at the Haight Street location...
                                                                                      Standing in a long line is not my idea of vacation fun but here at home, I'll go early for a burger on Tuesdays.

                                                                                      is it also on Mission Street? I don't see Burger Tuesday:

                                                                                  2. re: ceekskat

                                                                                    Sotto Mare has an appealing menu and fairly reasonable for seafood,

                                                                                    Anyone been? Reservations recommended? Doesn't say if there is a kids menu and you cannot email them only call for inquiries.

                                                                                    1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                      Sotto Mare doesn't take reservations, and I understand the waits can be long at peak times. We went for a late lunch last year and walked in no problem on a weekday. The petrale sole was peerless but the sand dabs were overcooked. Plates are pretty huge.

                                                                              2. Any thoughts on these restaurants
                                                                                Tee off bar and grill
                                                                                Pier 23 cafe
                                                                                Tadich (ted clam chowder and sand dabs)
                                                                                Swans oyster depot
                                                                                Taqueria cancun (which location?)
                                                                                Ike's sandwich's
                                                                                Codmothers fish and chips

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                                                                                1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                  Love the Codmother. $10.00for the best fish and chips in the city! And The Codmother herself is a love. Don't eat anywhere else on the wharf!

                                                                                  1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                    Where are you visiting from? My thoughts on some of these places would depend on where you live and what you are used to eating.

                                                                                    For example, if you're coming from the east coast where there are plenty of great sandwich and sub places, I would probably skip Ike's. It's pretty good, but not worth it if you're only here for 3 days.

                                                                                    1. re: Dave MP

                                                                                      We are near Niagara Falls.

                                                                                      We have a lot of chain restaurants and since we are pretty good cooks we dont dine out much unless on a vacation,
                                                                                      Mexican is very minimal. Thai and chinese are everywhere.

                                                                                      Again most sandwich shops. Are subways, quiznos or california subs. Alll chains.
                                                                                      Seafood we dont have either

                                                                                      1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                        Okay. I think I'd still suggest skipping Ike's. I feel like you can get a pretty good sub at Wegman's, and Ike's might be a bit better, but not by a lot.

                                                                                        La Torta Gorda, which I mentioned above, could be a fun choice in the Mission for lunch. They have a nice back patio. http://www.latortagorda.net/

                                                                                        1. re: Dave MP

                                                                                          Thanks dave! And is their any preticular dish/dishes you love here at la torta?

                                                                                          Also is taqueria vallarta better then taqueria cancun? (Website said 3 locations)

                                                                                          Love a good salsa bar went to one of these in san diego called mama testes just before it got very busy since bobby flays thrown down episode.

                                                                                          1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                            Taqueria Vallarta has great street style tacos and a nice array of salsas. I love their habanero sauce. If you're game try the lengua tacos. Delicious! Taqueria Cancun is more known for burritos, I think. I think Vallarta is more unique. I like the one on 24th the best.

                                                                                            1. re: srr

                                                                                              great thanks for clarifying! Its on our list to try will report back on it.

                                                                                            2. re: palmtree38

                                                                                              I have only eaten at La Torta Gorda once recently, and I posted about it here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/914610

                                                                                              I just had tortas: Hawaiian and Chorizo/Egg. Both were great.

                                                                                              I had brunch there on a sunny day, and thought to myself "Wow, this would be a great place to bring visitors who are looking for Mexican food" and it definitely seems kid friendly.

                                                                                              However, if you're not wanting a sit-down experience, a taqueria (like Vallarta) might be better.

                                                                                              I agree w/ what srr has said, too. If you are looking for tacos, Vallarta is great. If you want burritos, I might head elsewhere, like Cancun (my favorite is the one on Mission @ 19th but they are all pretty good I think).

                                                                                      2. re: palmtree38

                                                                                        Pier 23 Cafe is terrible, terrible, terrible. The only thing going for it is a great view if you sit outside.

                                                                                        1. re: Violatp

                                                                                          Thanks viloa! It was a feature DDD show and we always like to visit 1-2 on our vacation. My husband has a few shirts on vacations from DDD restaurants, from san diego's hodads, to smoked fish shop in florida to hawaii. Good conversation pieces while bbqing :)

                                                                                          1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                            Unfortunately, two of the places I know he did, Pier 23 and Joe's Cable Car are both terrible.

                                                                                            Well, Pier 23 is just terrible. Joe's is egregiously overpriced and with really tacky penny pinching customer service, but I understand the burgers are pretty good. Just expect to pay likely over $100 for the four of you. They even have a huge charge for splitting plates. They charge just to sit in a booth!

                                                                                            I know he's been to at least two other places (he lives in the Bay Area so SF is easy for him) but I can't think which ones.

                                                                                            1. re: Violatp

                                                                                              The Tee Off was another DDD place, and while they do put out some very good food, it's a bar first and I personally wouldn't take kids there.

                                                                                              Also, the kitchen is very small and when they get busy the wait for your food can be quite long. Also not so great with little kids.

                                                                                              1. re: pamf

                                                                                                Great to know!!

                                                                                                Ok so for burger lovers if choosing one where would you go

                                                                                                Superduper burger
                                                                                                Roam Artisan Burgers

                                                                                                Cast your vote!!

                                                                                                1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                  I haven't had Roam, but Super Duper is, well, super duper! Plus, they have multiple locations.

                                                                                                  My other burger favorite is Pearl's Deluxe, first location at Post & Jones. You probably won't get to Lower Nob Hill/Tenderloin though, so I wouldn't really bother. They have another location at 6th and Market but that corner is still sketch plus my friends swear it isn't as good as location #1 (they blame a new grill with no "wok hay" so to speak, but Super Duper with their new grills don't have that issue, so who knows!)

                                                                                                  1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                    We had considered going to Long Baird street to see the most curved street, and knob hill houses would this be near Pearls deluxe?
                                                                                                    Also heard there is wild parrots in SF in certain areas I think as a family we would enjoy seeing along with the seals at Pier 39

                                                                                                    Also thinking of doing a ferry ride over to Sansolita. Good idea?
                                                                                                    If so we could pick up take out somewhere near ferry for our hike here.

                                                                                                    Or is better to drive over the golden gate bridge to sansolita? We will be renting a car and yes paying the parking fees. I looked at rentals and dropping it off for 3 days in SF and renting 1 1/2 days at end of trip was $900 compared to $540 entire trip.

                                                                                                    So we do have a car to sight see or go to MUST try SF restaurants to try to die for dishes

                                                                                                    1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                      Oh, man - I think auto correct did a number on your comment! I can translate, though. :-)

                                                                                                      The curvy part of Lombard isn't really close to Pearl's. I mean, it is if you think about everything in SF being kinda close to everything else, but not really. Pearl's is closer to Union Square - sort of Tenderloin, but, in my opinion, not the scary part so I am always hesitant to say it's in the Tenderloin.

                                                                                                      The wild parrots left a few years ago, I believe. There was construction and stuff where they were so they were displaced. It is a shame. I saw a terrific documentary on them and the guy who took care of them on his own dime.

                                                                                                      Does anyone know if the parrots came back, or?

                                                                                                      I think your kids would love the ferry ride. I love it and I"m old! It's about 30 minutes long, I think.

                                                                                                      1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                        The parrots are still in SF. Just heard a few of them fly by yesterday.

                                                                                                      2. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                        I think unless you're crazy about boat rides that I'd drive to Sausalito. Driving across the Golden Gate Bridge is an experience; you can park on either end of the bridge and walk out onto the bridge (that's when you really realize how big it is!). And then you can check out the magnificent view from the Marin headlands (to the west of the north end of the bridge). You can combine that with a trip to Muir Woods or Pt. Reyes and the come back and have dinner in Sausalito. I personally don't think kids would find Sausalito that interesting (it's mostly artsy shops), but the Bay Model is kind of cool (and free): http://www.spn.usace.army.mil/Mission...

                                                                                                        Don't miss the Exploratorium with your kids!

                                                                                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                          Ok will drive! Also have exploritorium on our list!

                                                                                                          1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                            Be prepared for crowds. The Exploratorium is still in its "new stage" having moved to their present location last year. And attendance just skyrocketed.

                                                                                                            I adored the old location but I know someone who works there and am told it's a bloody madhouse!

                                                                                                            1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                              Agree on liking the old location better. The new one does have more stuff but it is much more expensive too. And the café there was just okay.

                                                                                                              1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                Weekday is better then weekend?

                                                                                                                Any coupons or deals?

                                                                                                                1. re: palmtree38


                                                                                                                  That's one way to get some deals - of course, you have to decide if it's worth it, if you'll use it enough to warrant the still fairly expensive price tag.


                                                                                                                  That may also come in handy for you.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                    Exploritorium is $90 for a family of four less then paying $120 for the monterey aquarium which we are passing on.

                                                                                                                2. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                  The Exporatorium is having a huge layoff (34 people) because they don't have the expected attendance and too many discounts. Here's an article on the topic --- it's a great time, the exhibits have been revitalized, and people with kids should go!


                                                                                                                  I went and had big fun - as someone who loved the old exploratorium (can you say Naked Tactile Dome?), there are a lot of very good new exhibits.

                                                                                                                  Foodwise, that area's on the border of the Fisherman's Wharf Death Zone, by the new Houston's is probably OK (I have a business lunch there Thursday), and Fog City reopened.

                                                                                                                  1. re: bbulkow

                                                                                                                    Ah, yes, if the new Fog City is good, that would be a great choice!

                                                                                                                    And good news, well, not good news, but you know, that the initial storm has calmed down. The Exploratorium is really just super, super fun and if it isn't overrun by Entitled Mommies pushing their kids to the front of exhibits, then all the better!

                                                                                                                    I wonder if they bit off more than they can chew with the new location? I hope they right the wavering vessel; it's too awesome of a museum to go under.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                      - ugh, I read an article about it. So sad. I'm torn now about discounted tickets. On the one hand, they need the cash. On the other, seems like there are bigger problems here than discounted tickets.

                                                                                                                      Blah, I'm about to go way off topic now, so I'll stop.

                                                                                                                      But, OP, the Exploratorium is still really great, their current rockiness notwithstanding. Definitely worth going!!

                                                                                                                      1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                        I think the exploratorium is better than ever. That $300M went into some new and very creative exhibits, as well as an awesome setting.

                                                                                                                        I and my friends were transfixed by an exhibit where - using a digital camera - you can see what your face would look like if it was just the right side duplicated, or just the left, instead of the asymetrical faces we all have.

                                                                                                                        Back to food...

                                                                                                                        Are there any reports of the canteen onsite?

                                                                                                                        Tcho chocolate is very nearby, about 100 yards, which has its tour and chocolates. I don't love their chocolate, but I do like it a bit (Give me Rettucci down at the ferry building any day), and I remember the hot chocolate there being QUITE good and espresso reasonable. Needed more seating was all.

                                                                                                                        1. re: bbulkow

                                                                                                                          Oh, I would go for Recchiuti (yes I had to look that up, heh) ANY day over Tcho. And Ghiradelli isn't even in the ballpark.

                                                                                                                          The first bite I ever took of a Fleur de Sel caramel...transcendent.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                            I had one of those and said "this is almost as good as the caramels my friend Tien makes." Tien makes very, very good caramel, too bad she only does a big batch for family and friends at chrismas.

                                                                                                                            By which I mean that I really like Recchiuti caramels.

                                                                                                                          2. re: bbulkow

                                                                                                                            $300 MILLION??????? Holey moley!

                                                                                                          2. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                            Super Duper over Roam by a big landslide. Financial District locations preferable.

                                                                                                            Only thing worthwhile at Roam at their milkshakes and housemade sodas.

                                                                                                            These are better choices over In and Out but there are better burgers over all to be had.

                                                                                                            1. re: sugartoof

                                                                                                              Does Super Duper use grassfed beef and "good" ingredients? I love Roam because of the good ingredients plus good prices, but would be nice to have other options!

                                                                                                              1. re: waluso

                                                                                                                They use Niman Ranch, which I don't think is grass fed, but is still local, really excellent, beef. And they use Straus milk and cream for their dairy, also a plus.

                                                                                                                I still intend to give Roam a try when I get a chance, but seriously, Super Duper makes really excellent burgers.

                                                                                                                1. re: waluso

                                                                                                                  Roam was just outright bad the time I tried it, so it negated the claims of good ingredients. Nothing tasted good aside from the shakes/sodas.

                                                                                                            2. re: pamf

                                                                                                              Yeah, that's one that I actually would like to try as it didn't seem to suffer from being on DDD!

                                                                                                              I noticed he's done Broken Record, too, but I didn't look further to see if it was before or after the turnover.

                                                                                                              1. re: Civil Bear

                                                                                                                Broken record didnt get great reviews..

                                                                                                                1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                  Broken Record used to have these amazing chefs - yes, chefs, who turned out food that you'd never expect in a dive bar. Even a cool dive bar like Broken Record!

                                                                                                                  They moved on to other places and opening their own restaurants and stuff. That was a about three years ago, give or take. DDD probably went there before they left.

                                                                                                                  1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                    I believe the reviews from Chowhound have been pretty favorable, even after the change.


                                                                                                                    1. re: Civil Bear

                                                                                                                      I lived a few blocks walking distance from BR for a minute when I first moved to the city. That and the cheap (er) rent almost made it worth living in the boonies.

                                                                                                                      Then I took the 9 bus home one night, instead of the 9X. And changed my mind right quick!

                                                                                                                  2. re: Civil Bear

                                                                                                                    I believe DDD went to super duper weenie not burgers???

                                                                                                                    I googled it and weenies kept coming up not burgers.

                                                                                                                    1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                      I just did a quick google and looks like there is a Super Duper Weenie on the East Coast.

                                                                                                                      Super Duper burgers is definitely a small chain in the Bay Area, mostly right in the city.

                                                                                                                      1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                        Yes there is super duper burgers but I dont think Guy from triple D went here I think he went to weenies.

                                                                                                                    2. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                      The DDD visit to Broken Record was before turnover. Reports on here are that it's still a good burger after the turnover.

                                                                                                              2. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                I have to disagree about Pier 23. I quite like it as one of the more economical choices right on the water. Portions are on the larger size, fish (in the fish n chips) is very fresh and someone is doing a great job dressing the little salads that come with the food.

                                                                                                                1. re: rubadubgdub

                                                                                                                  Agree with you. Went on a recent Sunday. Wait, not too long. Sat on the deck, great service throughout, and food was tasty and fresh. Had sliders and fish & chips, no complaints and cleaned our plates. Good spot for kids, lots to see especially when sitting outside. On another note, while waiting inside, lots of fruit flies but none outside.

                                                                                                                  1. re: macadam

                                                                                                                    it appears on the higher priced side. As many menu items are small plates.

                                                                                                                  2. re: rubadubgdub

                                                                                                                    Then I guess something magical has happened in the last year since I've been there. Fair enough; it could be.

                                                                                                                    But the last time I went (under duress as I'd been before) about a year ago, it was tiny, overpriced portions of overfried, greasy food and weak, weak drinks.

                                                                                                                    Oh, and the tablecloths on the outside tables were filthy. Bah.

                                                                                                              3. Ok to sum up the restauants/foodie fills we have
                                                                                                                Soma Food truck central across from Costco
                                                                                                                Market by the ferry tues & thursday

                                                                                                                Codmother fish and chips
                                                                                                                Balomoie for pupus
                                                                                                                Sotto Mare
                                                                                                                Super duper burger/roam artisan burger
                                                                                                                La torta gorda
                                                                                                                Taqueria Cancun (burritos)
                                                                                                                Taqueria vallarta (tacos and salsa bar & habanaro sauce)
                                                                                                                Little skillet mac and cheese

                                                                                                                Is that it folks????
                                                                                                                any SF food a must?
                                                                                                                What about fish taco's are these more popular in san diego?

                                                                                                                Any good reasonable italian restaurants that are a must try?
                                                                                                                We are in town tues- friday then heading to San ramon a night. Before back .

                                                                                                                We will hit costco for some cheeses , crackers, grapes and cali wine which we did on the way to Laguna Beach to start our last trip. Ahhh the memories.

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                                                                                                                1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                  If you're going to be in the Mission for Mexican, you're going to need some dessert!

                                                                                                                  Ice Cream - Bi Rite Creamery, Humphry Slocombe, or Mitchells's

                                                                                                                  Baked Goods - Tartine, Craftsmen & Wolves, (and probably a bunch more that have popped up in the past couple years), Dynamo Donuts

                                                                                                                  Fish tacos aren't really a thing, not the way they are in SD

                                                                                                                  1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                    Violatp. Yes a desert would be key! I have to say my wine is my desert but I will save room if its da bomb. Like canolli's in Boston, to shaved ice in Maui to Mikes Pastry's in waikiki. To a good key lime pie in florida.

                                                                                                                    I like a chowhound story to tell after a food dish or desert.

                                                                                                                    1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                      I know wharf near our holiday inn hotel is touristy and besides the codmother for fish and chips we are to avoid BUT. For walking around this area I had read they have entertainment for families, street performers etc
                                                                                                                      Is there happy hour places here that are good for a drink or nibblie?

                                                                                                                      1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                        Unfortunately, I know very little about the Wharf area. I only ever went twice and both times the Bush Man got me and I hate that!

                                                                                                                    2. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                      I'd add El Mansour to the list. The food's just average moroccan, but there is so little moroccan in SF that it fits the craving (Aziza is moroccan fine dining, but it's so upscale that it barely resembles moroccan food any more).

                                                                                                                      El Mansour is good with kids because it's in a fun indoor tent with cushions and (on some nights) belly dancers, and it's very kid-friendly.

                                                                                                                      1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                        Ah, I'd wondered why you're getting a car. But it's for San Ramon (or San Remote as I've heard it called). BTW, we really don't call it "Cali." SoCal does but not NorCal :)

                                                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                          Hey no cracking on San Ramon <grins> ! Used to live there and miss it terribly now that we are in SoCal but I will say it is a restaurant wasteland for the most part. Luckily moving to your neck of the woods, Reno. Very excited and have been perusing your recs on the Southwest Board.

                                                                                                                          1. re: baseballfan

                                                                                                                            Oh! Start a thread for Reno eats! I had a great breakfast there and there are some fantastic bars. And one hella creepy and gross one. But on another thread!!

                                                                                                                            1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                              Reno is on the Southwest board which drives us crazy but the PTB ruled a few years ago. So Tahoe is California and Reno, fifty miles away, is SW. Sigh.

                                                                                                                            2. re: baseballfan

                                                                                                                              We're kinda blown away at how great the food is getting there. And just a generally cool vibe in the downtown/river area. I think you'll enjoy.

                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                I can't wait! We had a house in Truckee for years and as you know there is limited dining there unless you want to drive. I am excited for a whole new restaurant scene.

                                                                                                                            3. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                              We will be at the marriott san Ramon anything decent around there for dinner?

                                                                                                                            4. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                              I personally find North Beach a fun afternoon for strolling, eating, sipping, etc... and right next to cinatown for more strolling, sipping eating, noshing.
                                                                                                                              I would start at the cable car musem (FREE!) and then stroll into North Beach and eat lunch at: L'osteria Del Forno on Columbus, followed up by some cookies and coffee's at Stella Pastry up the street. Or you can stroll further on to Victoria's (lots of fans for that place on here). from there i would head towards chinatown and stroll down Grant street just for the sheer spectacle of it all. i would end in Union Square where i would grab the cable car back up and over the hill just in time for dinner near the hotel, OR i would jump on Bart from union square and head out to the mission for your taco ice cream crawl!
                                                                                                                              Have fun!

                                                                                                                              1. re: jupiter

                                                                                                                                Has anyone else mentioned that North Beach is right by where they're staying? Thanks for pointing that out. I've not eaten at L'osteria Del Forno but a CH-friend of mine raves about it. Rather than BART to the Mission, I'd recommend the J-Church or other transport recommended here.

                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                  J Church they could get off right at 18th and Church, too. Oh, and walk up into the park right there for that view! I love the view from those park benches so much!

                                                                                                                            5. there was an article on sfgate about good restaurants in sf for kids...


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                                                                                                                              1. re: pauliface

                                                                                                                                A few good suggestions in that list, but I'd caution anyone with kids that love food, in a family that likes adventure from going to mediocre/average places simply because they have a kids menu, or the staff brings crayons and smiles at the kids.

                                                                                                                                I'm not sure we've done the OP right, considering it's a family specifically asking for "great foodie places".

                                                                                                                                1. re: sugartoof

                                                                                                                                  Good point. I recently organized the food portion of a trip to Portland with a 5 yo. After one, I made the executive decision to switch to good places that kids can blend into from kid focused venues. Everyone was happy.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: sugartoof

                                                                                                                                    Our kids have not been to mcdonalds in 5 years and dont do burger king ,arbys wendy's and so on . We are good cooks and dont dine out often as usually disapointed with chain restaurants and costly. On vacations we like to splurge to enjoy good food, lively atmospheres, and a good adventure to tell later.

                                                                                                                                    MY 7 year old is the burger KING and is looking forward to the super duper burger challenge.

                                                                                                                                    happy hour pupus places for sharsie plates are fun night out too

                                                                                                                                    1. re: sugartoof

                                                                                                                                      I would call the list mediocre. Good calls would be:
                                                                                                                                      Yank Sing
                                                                                                                                      New Eiritrea
                                                                                                                                      Foreign Cinema (brunch)
                                                                                                                                      .... and there's far too much talk of crayons.

                                                                                                                                      At the ages of 7 & 9, I would have found Humphrey Slocolmb life-changing.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: bbulkow

                                                                                                                                        Our kids don't need crayons! I was the mom who always had a bag of crafts/books to entertain kids at restaurants while grownups enjoyed a nice meal and kids are happy.

                                                                                                                                    2. re: pauliface

                                                                                                                                      Weird, I thought I posted this earlier but it disappeared...

                                                                                                                                      Yes, I was aware the article might not hit the OP's sweet spot, but it seemed timely as it just came out yesterday.

                                                                                                                                      I'd like to add 2 more suggestions:


                                                                                                                                      State Bird Provisions
                                                                                                                                      Yes, I know it's impossible to reserve. But I think it would be great for kids.
                                                                                                                                      One way to get in is to just show up at 4:30 or 4:45.
                                                                                                                                      doors open at 5:30 and they always save tables for walkins. If you arrive by 4:45 you should be able to snag a table. The trick is, of course, waiting on the line with the kids....

                                                                                                                                      1. re: pauliface

                                                                                                                                        Here's your earlier post,

                                                                                                                                        You can find your most recent posts by going to your profile and clicking on "posts" under the "my activity" menu.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: pauliface

                                                                                                                                          I would not do SBP with kids. Too much waiting too much madhouse. If you have kids that would stand still on the sidewalk for an hour.... they're probably aliens.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: pauliface

                                                                                                                                            State bird is closed for renovations until early october

                                                                                                                                            1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                                              I just passed it today and yes, this is true! No State Bird for a while! Sorry about that.

                                                                                                                                              (bbulkow, as for the wait, if one parent were to wait in line, the kids could walk to japantown which is just two blocks away)

                                                                                                                                        2. I think a day spent in Golden Gate Park and dinner at Park Chow would be good. There are other good food offerings in the Sunset District. Park Chow just strikes as a place where you can share dishes in a very casual environment. http://www.chowfoodbar.com/park_menu....

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                                                                                                                                          1. re: free sample addict aka Tracy L

                                                                                                                                            I think Park Chow is a great idea. Never had a bad meal there.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: free sample addict aka Tracy L

                                                                                                                                              Also nearby is Pacific Catch at 1200 9th Avenue at Lincoln Way - easy walk from Golden Gate Park's California Academy of Sciences http://www.calacademy.org/

                                                                                                                                              Arizmendi Bakery is at 1331 9th Avenue between Irving & Judah Streets for baked goods and slice of pizza

                                                                                                                                              Jenny's Burgers is a tiny stop near the Park at 1233 9th Avenue near Lincoln Way. It's where some San Francisco Botanical Garden volunteers go for lunch.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Cynsa

                                                                                                                                                I wouldn't waste a meal at Jenny's (or Park Chow for that matter) but the pizza at Arizmendi is a really great suggestion for a snack.

                                                                                                                                                Pork Buns at Sunset Bakery, or Dry Wings at San Tung.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Cynsa

                                                                                                                                                  I went to Pacific Catch once because, you're right, it is an easy walk. Maybe I ordered badly, but the rice bowl with ahi just seemed over-the-top, even sort of gross -- too salty, too rich, too big, too many ingredients. Do you recommend anything else? Also the server was so indifferent it was funny.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Glencora

                                                                                                                                                    I enjoyed the fish and chips with salmon. I've only been twice, once for lunch and once for dinner and ordered the salmon fish and chips both times. The batter was fried crisp, the salmon was moist, and the fries hot.

                                                                                                                                              2. San Francisco is great with kids that age as long as they are polite in restaurants and good eaters. I have 3 boys (currently 11, 9 and 4) and eat everywhere with them. They have been trained well, and when we lived in France (they were 7,5 and newborn at the time) people would come up to us to complement their behavior. It is a myth that kids can't eat in restaurants. Probably the most successful with the kids have been Incanto and Contigo. Maverick also works well. Our only problem is that with growing boys even mid-range restaurants cost a fortune, so we lean toward cheap eats.

                                                                                                                                                My kids love Poc Chuc in the mission, but they also love Taco Crawls. Their favorite is Farolito - the one closer to 24th and Mission.

                                                                                                                                                We do ice cream crawls all the time. We get a couple of scoops in a bowl and share. IT is a lesson in capitalism (limited resources) as well as a fun way to taste a lot. We let the kids act like food critics and they love it. My kids love the halo halo at Mitchell's, but Mr. and Mrs. Misc. is my favorite. We do public transportation, so take the Muni to Mr. and Mrs. Misc. and then into the mission for Humphrey Slocombe (sometimes skip it), walk up to Bi-Rite, sometimes stopping at Xanath along the way. We also enjoy macarons, mochi, chocolate etc. Out in the Dogpatch there is Chocolate Lab.

                                                                                                                                                My kids like local chain super duper, but look at the burger thread for more.

                                                                                                                                                My kids love GG Park, Presidio and Crissy Field. Near Chrissy Field is House of Air, so we go to that then into the city for food. You can also take a picnic lunch or grab take out if you want to save some $$ - all 3 parks are great for picnics. There are some grills in the Presidio for a picnic/beach trip (just avoid the south side of Baker beach if you are at all squeamish : ) ). Not sure if you can do a fire at the beach, we usually go a bit south for that, but kids love doing sausages on the beach.

                                                                                                                                                In North Beach kids like Tony's and get a kick out of the different styles of pizza. Near Union Square they like to get crepes at galette 88 (weekday lunch only). They like just about every food truck too - although honestly some are better values than others. My kids love Indian, so they often go for Curry Up Now. As meat lovers 4505 meats is a favorite.

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                                                                                                                                                1. re: jsaimd

                                                                                                                                                  A friend of mine was on SF 2 years ago and still talking about the best poutine she ever had in her life from a truck near the ferry. It had asian beef and kimchee and such in it.
                                                                                                                                                  Not sure if anyone recalls a asian poutine truck and if its still around.?

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                                                    "Gamja fries," the Asian "poutine-like stoner favorite" was(is?) sold at Namu's Ferry Building stand and is currently on the lunch menu of their brick and mortar in the Mission. "Poutine-like" is loosely appropriate since they're just as close to chili-fries--- there's fries, meat (bulgogi), sauce (kimchee relish, gochujang), and, unlike poutine, there's no cheese curds and the closest thing fitting that role is kewpie mayo.

                                                                                                                                                    People seem to like it a lot, but I find it to be one of their weaker items--- it's fool's gold compared to their okanomiyaki and korean fried chicken.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: hyperbowler

                                                                                                                                                      Yes she said it was bulgogi on the poutine i couldnt remeber the name
                                                                                                                                                      Just for her I will give it a try sounds very interesting!
                                                                                                                                                      I could pair it withokanomiyaki and korean fried chicken.

                                                                                                                                                      We only ate korean food once at the angry korean lady in honolulu a chowhound recomendation . I dont know what we ate but i had a list of must trys from this board and it was fantastic! Kids loved it too and her crazy rules.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                                                        Enjoy it! I think it's something your kids will like too. Just see you know they are a fusion between Korean and Japanese And in a way that makes someone of the most interesting places in town. The dinner menu is much more expensive and I think you guys will have a lot more fun at lunchtime.

                                                                                                                                                        Oh, and just to clarify, you would have to check to make sure that they still are at the Saturday morning ferrybuilding farmers market. They aren't there any other day of the week
                                                                                                                                                        But their brick and mortar store is open throughout the week. More generally, places in San Francisco tend to have odd days off so make sure to check restaurant hours when you plan your full itinerary. Good luck!

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: hyperbowler

                                                                                                                                                          I will have to go to the brick and mortar store as we are not there on a saturday. In sf during the week.

                                                                                                                                                          We also had korean dryed ribs eaten in hawaii that you ate with salt and white onion. Interesting stinky concept but yummy.

                                                                                                                                                          Which brings me to ask is their hawaiian poke to be had in SF? This will tickle my spouse's tummy

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                                                              The SF Costco has Hawaiian Poke, believe it or not. The guy running the seafood station is Tongan and makes both traditional and the spicy.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Civil Bear

                                                                                                                                                                REALLY??? We had really good poke at the honolulu Costco.

                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for letting me know!!!

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: jsaimd

                                                                                                                                                      Great post!!!

                                                                                                                                                      One of my kids does not like red sauce which takes out most pizza joints. at home she digs alfredo on her pizza with asparagus. Green olives and red peppers and bacon a bonus.
                                                                                                                                                      We were at a italian restaurant in SD where kids make their own pizzas put the toppings on then staff bake it in brick oven all the while the parents can enjoy their wine and conversation. GREAT idea.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                                                        We use Caesar Salad dressing as a substitute for red sauce...delicious!

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: macadam

                                                                                                                                                          Thanks for tip, that does sound good as she likes ceasar salad.

                                                                                                                                                      2. re: jsaimd

                                                                                                                                                        Great post!!!

                                                                                                                                                        One of my kids does not like red sauce which takes out most pizza joints. at home she digs alfredo on her pizza with asparagus. Green olives and red peppers and bacon a bonus.
                                                                                                                                                        We were at a italian restaurant in SD where kids make their own pizzas put the toppings on and the As for staying in Salinas - I wouldn't. Parts of Salinas are ok. Parts are definitely not. Chances are pretty good that you would be totally fine, but the surrounding neighborhood for that hotel isn't great. Use Google Street View to check out the neighborhood. You won't be walking anywhere even if there was someplace interesting to walk in the vicinity of the hotel. And you won't be anywhere near what you want to see and do. Even driving, you won't find much in Salinas to satisfy your foodie appetites. bake it in brick oven all the while the parents can enjoy their wine and conversation. GREAT idea.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: jsaimd

                                                                                                                                                          Forgot to mention DeLisse Dessert Cafe right in the wharf. They have a 30% deal on blackboard eats right now. Ice cream and baked goods. I haven't had their sandwiches etc. but husband reported that the baked goods were well done.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: jsaimd

                                                                                                                                                            I'll second the ice cream here. It's not the best location, but the OP will be nearby. I find their baked goods entirely forgettable with bite sized breads.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: sugartoof

                                                                                                                                                              The ice cream at Delise is worthy indeed, especially the Asian-influenced flavours. They also have the distinction of making the finest steamed milk I've had in SF. Agree the baked goods are a bit twee, though the snickerdoodles are rather tasty. I believe the wife was a pastry chef at the now-defunct Bong Su.

                                                                                                                                                              My vote for favourite ice cream so far in SF, though, goes to Mr and Mrs Miscellaneous, purely on the basis of their sweet cream flavour. Taking the T out there isn't bad at all if you're already on that side of town, but it sounds like the OP will have a car. Second time we went, we were driving, and I don't recall parking being difficult. The lineup, on the other hand, was gigantic but very convivial. House made caramels worth a bash here too.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: grayelf

                                                                                                                                                                Never had the caramels, but the housemade licorice, and other candy items are unsung heroes.

                                                                                                                                                                Parking does require some luck though.

                                                                                                                                                        2. Ice creams near Golden Gate Park:
                                                                                                                                                          - Chile Pies & Ice Cream has pie shakes, pies by the slice, Three Twins ice cream
                                                                                                                                                          601 Baker Street between Fulton St & McAllister Street
                                                                                                                                                          - walk/drive to Faletti's(free parking) 308 Broderick at Fell Street
                                                                                                                                                          for Humphry Slocombe Ice Cream ice cream at Delessio
                                                                                                                                                          - walk to BiRite for more ice cream at 550 Divisadero between Fell Street and Hayes

                                                                                                                                                          My personal local stop is Joe's Ice Cream for their own version of SF's It's It cream sandwich; which I like better than the iconic original.
                                                                                                                                                          here's the history of the San Francisco It's It: http://www.itsiticecream.com/history/

                                                                                                                                                          5420 Geary Blvd. between 19th Ave. & 18th Ave.
                                                                                                                                                          - you won't find any chowhounds there, just families with kids and me -

                                                                                                                                                          Marco Polo is out-of-the-way at 1447 Taraval Street between 24th and 25th Avenue and you won't have time for the exotic Asian flavors in your 3-day holiday but perhaps next time...melon, mango, sesame, chestnut, soursop, durian, jack fruit, lychee, coconut + more

                                                                                                                                                          San Francisco is only 7x7, so unless you're on foot and climbing hills is daunting, then nothing is really out-of-the-way, if car/MUNI is an option for your 3-day stay. Your Mission Impossible is to pace yourself and have fun.

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Cynsa

                                                                                                                                                            I think a lot of us Chowhounds are very familiar with Joe's. There was a time when it was frequently mentioned for having some of the best green tea and pumpkin flavors. I find it a little too Baskin Robbins tasting and prefer MItchell's - or Swensen's, which isn't too far from the OP's hotel.

                                                                                                                                                            For ice cream, sorbet, and more, there's the Garden Creamery truck. It's gaining a reputation, but it can be difficult to track them down.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: sugartoof

                                                                                                                                                              Yes skip on baskin robbin we have those joints here . My spouse and i save our calories for wine and beer desert ::)) were not huge on deserts unless its the bomb! Ie must try desert or best ice cream with real cream and unique flavour.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                                                                Joe's is not a chain like Baskin Robbins and I go for the one item, the Joe's It ice cream sandwich, just to clarify your doubts.
                                                                                                                                                                Joe's started in 1959. Since 1979 it was run by the Murashige family who made the ice creams - we like to support local small business.
                                                                                                                                                                My favorite flavor is ginger ice cream chocolate dipped on a sugar cone...the blueberry cheesecake, the root beer, the coconut, and wasabi.
                                                                                                                                                                You can get a good burger at the grill at Joe's Ice Cream.

                                                                                                                                                                For your made-to-order ice cream, go to smitten

                                                                                                                                                                432 Octavia St. #1A (at Linden St.)

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                                                                  Just to be clear, Joe's is an old business somewhat revamped. They make their own ice cream in house...I was just likening it to Baskin Robbins, both in texture, and some of the flavor combos seam to be trying to appeal to the BR crowd. It's not an actual BR chain though.

                                                                                                                                                                  I second Smitten Ice Cream. It's nitrogen made in front of you and really creamy.

                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Cynsa

                                                                                                                                                                Ice Cream Bar, a few blocks from the Eastern edge of GG Park, has great shakes, and their ice cream flavors are at the top of their game. Lots of weird vintage drinks I don't care for, but their handshaken shakes, ice cream based shakes, and bruleed banana split are fantastic.


                                                                                                                                                                1. re: hyperbowler

                                                                                                                                                                  To be honest we wont drive all over town or train just for ice cream. I would do the taco crawl around mission and add the ice cream treat to finish the outting.

                                                                                                                                                                  In Boston we went to a family run italian grab your own table joint. lineup out door. Calzones, panzaroti .pizza $2 italian wine .cheap lunch and top notch no frills.
                                                                                                                                                                  Went across the street for MIke's pastry's for cannoli and such.

                                                                                                                                                                  This was unique not breaking bank. 9 dinners out 9 lunches adds up so we cant have $100 meals.

                                                                                                                                                                  So the korean truck pick up to bring back to eat by the pool with a nice cali wine would be a perfect evening to chill one night too

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Cynsa

                                                                                                                                                                      After your taco crawl in the Mission, drive to Ocean Beach on the Great Highway to watch the sunset...ice cream on the way or afterwards. Walk at Sutro Heights Park or at the ruins of Sutro Baths.

                                                                                                                                                                      New World Market is open until 9 pm if you'd like to shop in the Russian deli at 5641 Geary Blvd. near 21st Avenue for stuffed cabbage, meatballs, piroshki, pastries/breads.

                                                                                                                                                                      or, pick up sandwiches at Lou's Cafe until 7 pm at 5017 Geary Blvd. between 14~15th Avenue.

                                                                                                                                                                      Cinderella Bakery & Cafe
                                                                                                                                                                      436 Balboa Street at 6th Avenue
                                                                                                                                                                      until 7 pm

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Cynsa

                                                                                                                                                                        hahahaha - oh, poor Palmtree. We've given her enough options for a three week trip!

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                                                                          of course! now she must bring the family back to San Francisco for more treats!

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Violatp

                                                                                                                                                                            Lol yes !I have to say its overwhelming as many posts are a one poster recommendation. Of this whole list there is not many restaurants that are in agree ance from many except super duper burger a few said go and mission for tacos and ice cream and food truck calendar to pick our truck and venue

                                                                                                                                                                            When home from work i am going to go through all of it and organize.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                                                                              You might want to look into the burger at Nopa. I think it's considered the top burger in the city right now, and one of the few places most people agree on here. It's also a way to visit a well regarded place on a budget.

                                                                                                                                                                2. Papalote on 24th for the best Mexican. Worth the trip for the house salsa alone.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: free sample addict aka Tracy L

                                                                                                                                                                      Ok lets see.l is a blur seems our trip was so long ago. Maybe our nightmare trip home at 5 airports within 24 hours uggh

                                                                                                                                                                      Codmother fish and chips
                                                                                                                                                                      Tonys pizza
                                                                                                                                                                      Poke pick up at costco and lots of cheese/wine :)
                                                                                                                                                                      Pacific catch
                                                                                                                                                                      Taco crawl (taquaria vallarta, la taqueria and one other in mission and bi rite ice cream for kids.plus my daughter and I shared a cannoli from this longest run italian bakery.
                                                                                                                                                                      After took a drive to see hippie central get the pose in front of the corner sign. Got out of there in a hurry sketchy..
                                                                                                                                                                      Went through china town but didn't food sample
                                                                                                                                                                      My 7 year old son picked up a good wooden foot massager for $2 for sore feet :)
                                                                                                                                                                      Lots of salt water taffy from candy land at pier 39
                                                                                                                                                                      Visit to Ghiradeli chocolates.
                                                                                                                                                                      Went to the marketplace but unfort it was not farmer market days and bit of a wasted trip except for oyster sampling

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: palmtree38

                                                                                                                                                                        And we tried in and out burger, burger was good but not a fan of their fries