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itryalot Sep 14, 2013 06:14 PM

Will be there in March. What will be local and fresh?

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    Joebob RE: itryalot Sep 14, 2013 11:37 PM

    Whatever was caught the night before.

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      itryalot RE: Joebob Sep 15, 2013 06:11 AM

      LOL; but is there some species that are particular to Hawaii and in that area. I keep seeing butterfish so I assume that is local. Is seafood local (lobster, etc)?

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        kathryn RE: itryalot Sep 15, 2013 08:08 AM

        Butterfish (aka walu) is not always the same type of fish. It can be black cod or escolar:
        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/595405

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      macaraca RE: itryalot Sep 15, 2013 07:58 AM

      If you go to a restaurant that has a regular printed menu featuring the same fish dish(es) every day, you can be pretty sure it isn't going to be fresh or local.

      If it is cheap, probably not fresh or local.

      If it is a shrimp truck, probably not.

      If it is the day's special at a restaurant, better chance.

      If you go to Nico's or Uncle's at Pier 38, where the daily fish auction is held, you can be pretty sure it is fresh and local.

      For a good guide to what are the best choices for sustainable seafood, go to the Monterey Bay Aquarium Seafood Watch site or app...they have a Hawaii page:
      http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr...

      Butterfish is more a preparation than a species, see this description from the late John Heckathorn, long-time local food critic: http://www.hawaiimagazine.com/blogs/h...

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        kathryn RE: itryalot Sep 15, 2013 08:06 AM

        Your best bet is to ask and pay attention to whatever the daily specials are. It will be pretty obvious as to what you can't find on the mainland as restaurants typically use the Hawaiian name for something on the menu. In Maui, places like Monkeypod Kitchen will have "catch of the day" specials.

        Grilled Kona abalone at the KCC Farmers Market is definitely a special treat. We also had some at Chef Mavro in Honolulu.

        Fresh opakapaka (red snapper) is also delciious. You may also see Kekaha shrimp from Kauai or Hawaiian spiny lobster on menus.

        Here's a good list of Hawaiian fish:
        http://www.hawaii-seafood.org/wild-ha...

        Tunas
        Bigeye Tuna (Ahi
        )Yellowfin Tuna (Ahi)
        Albacore Tuna (Tombo Ahi)
        Skipjack Tuna (Aku)

        Billfish
        Blue Marlin (Kajiki)
        Striped Marlin (Nairagi)
        Shortbill Spearfish (Hebi)
        Broadbill Swordfish (Mekajiki)

        Other Ocean Species
        Mahimahi
        Wahoo (Ono)
        Moonfish (Opah)
        Sickle Pomfret (Monchong)

        Bottomfish
        Long-Tail Red Snapper (Onaga)
        Pink Snapper (Opakapaka)
        Blue-Green Snapper (Uku)
        Sea Bass (Hapu'upu'u)

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          roro808 RE: kathryn Sep 15, 2013 11:28 AM

          Add one more -- tilapia, if you like fresh water fish.

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            indelibledotink RE: roro808 Sep 17, 2013 11:43 PM

            tilapia used to be considered a 'rubbish fish,' but now it's in vogue, i believe on the mainland it's called sunfish?

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              gourmanda RE: roro808 Sep 18, 2013 07:04 AM

              With the range of freshly caught fish in Hawaiian waters, why would you get farmed tilapia?

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                macaraca RE: gourmanda Sep 18, 2013 07:32 AM

                It is sustainable. Overfishing the reefs and industrial harvesting of oceanic fish is depleting the stocks so badly they may never recover. Everybody wants tuna and there just isn't enough for everybody to eat it all the time.

                Most, but not all farmed fish and seafood have serious problems. Farmed shrimp especially, which is most of the shrimp you will find, is often raised overseas in unhealthy conditions, heavy use of antibiotics, damaging local water resources for the locals to provide for the export market to rich countries. But it is cheaper than wild caught or sustainably raised.

                The Nalolicious folks at the Ala Moana Saturday farmer's market do a pretty impressive job with their large sized farm raised tilapia...it must be ordered in advance, and they spend several days getting it prepared (putting it thru clean tanks etc) for their customers.

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                  roro808 RE: gourmanda Sep 18, 2013 03:15 PM

                  It's fresh and reasonably priced. I won't eat it, but some people would. This is only a suggestion. Other fish that should be tried is of course, the beautiful parrot fish, which I won't eat either. Somehow I always feel guilty consuming such a beautiful fish.

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              itryalot RE: itryalot Sep 15, 2013 10:17 AM

              Thank you all! I need to start my foodie spreadsheet so I can take it with me including restaurants you've included.

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                gourmanda RE: itryalot Sep 17, 2013 09:05 AM

                Are you dining out or cooking for your self? If the former, ask the server what was caught that day. If the latter, there should be a fish shop near one of the harbors that takes in the day's catch. Also, many of the grocery stores (Big Island anyway) receive daily fresh deliveries.

                If the Opah is freshly caught, that is delicious! Ono another good option. Last trip we had Tombo (albacore tuna we were told) for the first time and it was delicious--nothing like the canned.

                Maine lobster is farmed on the Big Island and many restaurants have lobster nights; not sure if it is fresh on the other islands.

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                  Glicoman RE: itryalot Sep 17, 2013 09:44 PM

                  my favorites:
                  moi
                  akule
                  moana

                  1. kaleokahu RE: itryalot Sep 18, 2013 04:12 PM

                    Hi, itryalot:

                    Agree with others that you go with what is fresh. Almost all fish in Hawai'i nei are delicious.

                    My personal favorites are opakapaka (pink snapper) for delicate preparations, ono for grilling and fish and chips, and black ulua/buta guchi for pretty everything. I like kippered akule for breakfast, smoked marlin for snacks and pate, ahi poke for lunch, he'e (octopus) on the grill for dinner...

                    OK, I'm back to anything that's fresh.

                    Aloha,
                    Kaleo

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                      Quince RE: itryalot Sep 21, 2013 11:01 PM

                      My favorite local fishes are moi, opah, monchong, hebi, and opakapaka. Local mahimahi is quite good too, but there is a lot of imported mahimahi on menus here, so you have to be cautious. Ahi is also caught here and very good.

                      If you are interested in cooking the fish yourself, Tamashiro's Market and Nico's Fish Market are your best bets for getting local fish that's really fresh. Standard supermarkets and Costco will sometimes have local fish, but the quality is often a little lower.

                      If you are interested in eating local fresh fish at restaurants, Nico's and Uncle's will have the best value. Many hotel restaurants in Waikiki will have something good and fresh but very expensive, like $35-$45 a plate or more. I've heard Azure is very good.

                      Butterfish to my knowledge is black cod and comes from Alaska. Mostly you see it frozen. Occasionally it will pop up fresh at Tamashiro's Market or Costco.

                      If you see moi on a menu, get it. It was a fish reserved for Hawaiian royalty for a reason.

                      1. Beach Chick RE: itryalot Sep 21, 2013 11:45 PM

                        Just had one of the best Ahi Poke and Hamachi apps at Roy's Waikiki..
                        Also, Opah, Opakapaka, Ahi and Butterfish.
                        Aloha

                        1. indelibledotink RE: itryalot Sep 21, 2013 11:49 PM

                          i just had marlin tonight, it was flavorful and moist. i don't know the hawaiian name, though, google it.

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                            macsak RE: indelibledotink Sep 22, 2013 01:44 AM

                            a'u

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                            macsak RE: itryalot Sep 22, 2013 01:53 AM

                            just be on the lookout for fake butterfish
                            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

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                              macsak RE: macsak Sep 22, 2013 01:56 AM

                              oops, sorry, info already posted in one of the first replies

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                                indelibledotink RE: macsak Sep 22, 2013 03:44 PM

                                fish mislabeled at 74% of sushi restaurants? that can't be right!

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                                  roro808 RE: indelibledotink Sep 22, 2013 03:56 PM

                                  That's true... it has been news on TV and printed paper recently. And the sad part is, it involves big sushi restaurants. I have since reduced my sushi/poke intake! Most poke's are made with frozen fish and that's not kosher!

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                                    indelibledotink RE: roro808 Sep 22, 2013 05:02 PM

                                    how can that be when the sushi chef picks out the fish at the auction?

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                                      Bill Hunt RE: roro808 Sep 22, 2013 07:49 PM

                                      Poke, that is not Kosher - Oy Vey!

                                      What will be next?

                                      Hunt

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                                        indelibledotink RE: roro808 Sep 22, 2013 09:31 PM

                                        not fish, but in london dna testing has ruled out 'normal' meats found in different restaruants.

                                        http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/...

                                        this, i can see happening, but not with fish from reputable sushi places...

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                                    jilkat25 RE: itryalot Sep 22, 2013 05:30 PM

                                    Opakapaka (pink snapper). But if the fisherman's name is on the menu, (as at Mama's on Maui) get whatever he (or she) caught "today."

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