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Do Tellicherry peppercorns taste different after they are cooked?

thymetobake Sep 14, 2013 04:24 PM

I bought some a while back and forgot about them. I have the whole pods that you crack open to get to the pepper. Well, I just ate one straight up and YUCK. It is so floral. I would never use it raw. Could it be that they are too old? Or is that the normal flavor? I hope someone can tell me they change after cooking because that was a waste of money if not.

  1. thymetobake Sep 15, 2013 06:54 AM

    I just pulled out my ground cardomom and tasted it straight up. The ground has a very similar flavor but far less pungent. I think you may be right, JMF.

    7 Replies
    1. re: thymetobake
      JMF Sep 15, 2013 07:06 AM

      Yes, from the pics, those are definitely green cardamom. Ground cardamom loses it's flavor very rapidly. Since cardamom is more expensive than the peppercorns, you got a deal. Of course now you have to use the cardamom... it's great when making coffee.

      Brown/black cardamom is actually a different species than green. Very different flavor, more smoke and menthol.

      1. re: thymetobake
        Wahooty Sep 15, 2013 09:05 AM

        Looks to me like someone bought a bag of green cardamom, then put it in an old Penzey's zip-bag to zip it closed for storage. You can see the bag-within-a-bag and the old handwritten price sticker behind the Penzey's label.

        1. re: Wahooty
          boogiebaby Sep 15, 2013 06:04 PM

          That's what I was going to say. Those are definitely green cardamoms. You can see the other tag behind the Penzeys tag. Looks like someone reused the peppercorn bag to store the cardamom.

        2. re: thymetobake
          JungMann Sep 16, 2013 08:11 AM

          You definitely have a bag of green cardamom pods mislabeled as pepper.

          Ground cardamom loses its flavor very rapidly as JMF mentions. I grind the seeds fresh when I need them for baking. For savory dishes, I use cardamom pods whole and fish them out before serving. No one wants to bite into a whole piece of cardamom.

          1. re: thymetobake
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            pine time Sep 16, 2013 08:53 AM

            Is this packaging how you received it from Penzey's? As others wrote, it's obviously a reused bag, with another label behind it but a Penzey's peppercorn label on the top. Very odd, if it came straight from Penzey's. I'd call them, along with emailing the picture. I used a lot of green cardamom (and Tellicherry peppercorns), and that's sure cardamom.

            1. re: pine time
              thymetobake Sep 16, 2013 01:20 PM

              I don't remember. In fact I don't remember ordering either one. But y'all are right. I just checked and it is a bag from another place inside the Penzey's bag. Guess I'm getting old.

              But, I'm glad I posted or I would have never noticed the other label or found out what it was.

              Thanks everybody. Now, what kind of herb/spice improves memory? :-)

              1. re: thymetobake
                JMF Sep 16, 2013 01:48 PM

                Gingko biloba seeds

          2. thymetobake Sep 15, 2013 06:33 AM

            Ok, trying to post a photo. First time.

            Hope that worked.

            In response to JMF it does not taste at all like green cardomom. I have some whole brown cardomom seeds and they are much larger than the ones in question. But, you're right in that it does somehow remind me of cardomom but with a pungent black pepper bite.

            The last photo is of the seeds/peppercorns that are inside the pod.

            Sorry for the quality of the pics. If necessary I can take a few more.

             
             
             
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            1. re: thymetobake
              chefj Sep 15, 2013 10:47 AM

              That is Cardamom and it is in a Pod
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardamom

               
            2. JMF Sep 15, 2013 05:38 AM

              Looks like they make a labeling mistake and sent you green cardamon instead. Pepper is not in pod, casing, etc.

              1. thymetobake Sep 14, 2013 07:12 PM

                Well, the package says Peppercorns, India Tellicherry. They are from Penzeys Spices. They look like narrow pistachios and the tiny black pepper balls are inside. The 'pod' or husk is very thin and easy to open with a good whack. They are not as big as regular grocery store whole pepper. The package says they are the top grade of Indian black pepper. Did I get a different type than is the standard?

                It also says use whole in soups or grind for everything else. I don't know if use whole means include the pod or not.

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                1. re: thymetobake
                  Caitlin McGrath Sep 14, 2013 07:20 PM

                  Sounds like you have what they sell as Special Extra Bold peppercorns, which are a subset of Tellicherry pepper. They do mean for you to use (and grind) the whole thing. You might want to try that, and taste the results, because they might taste different than the inner portion alone.

                  1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                    chefj Sep 14, 2013 07:59 PM

                    That grows in a Pod?
                    Black Pepper (Piper Nigrum) Does not have a Pod.

                    1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                      JMF Sep 15, 2013 05:40 AM

                      I have bought their special extra bold Tellicherry pepper and they are just like the regular Tellicherry peppercorns except a little larger. No pods, etc. just big peppercorns, maybe 25% larger than normal.

                    2. re: thymetobake
                      chefj Sep 14, 2013 08:01 PM

                      Not Peppercorns.
                      Look up Piper Nigrum and see for yourself.
                      Telicherry, Malabar, Black Pepper do not grow in Pod.

                      1. re: chefj
                        thymetobake Sep 14, 2013 08:22 PM

                        Perhaps my use of pod was misleading. I don't mean pod as in pea pod. I just meant it as a shell encasing smaller seeds.

                        Whatever, I think Caitlin may have hit the nose on the head.

                        If anyone has used this seasoning before I would greatly appreciate your input.

                        :-)

                        1. re: thymetobake
                          Caitlin McGrath Sep 14, 2013 09:06 PM

                          Here's a thread: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/786715

                      2. re: thymetobake
                        JMF Sep 15, 2013 05:39 AM

                        Take a pic and post it here so we can figure out what it really is.

                      3. Delucacheesemonger Sep 14, 2013 05:33 PM

                        As an aside get the ones ripened on the vine, they are twice as large and wonderful, both black and white, company is Wynant.

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                        1. re: Delucacheesemonger
                          chefj Sep 14, 2013 05:41 PM

                          A Vine actually

                           
                        2. chefj Sep 14, 2013 05:29 PM

                          Whole Pods? Pepper does not grow in Pods.
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pe...

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