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Getting ready to spend 4 full days exploring NYC for the very first time. Staying in Long Island and training to Manhattan every day. Arriving Wednesday, departing early Sunday morning. This is somewhat of a foodcation. Trying to keep meals mostly casual, leaving room for 1-2 nicer meals out. Would love some feedback on my itinerary!

Wednesday -

DIY Food tour of Greenwich Village (The Donut Pub, A Salt & Battery, Big Gay Ice Cream, Milk & Cookies Bakery, Murray’s Cheese Bar, Faicco Pork Store, Pasticceria Rocco (cheesecake), Artichoke Pizza) - Picnic in Washington Square Park

Exploring/Shopping in the Village

Union Square Green Market

Madison Square Park

Flatiron Building

Back to LI to collapse and order pizza

- Thursday -

Central Park (stop in Payard bakery for croissants and coffee)

Chelsea Market (/ Artists and Fleas Market

High Line Park and Le Bain bar for a drink

Option A:
Little Italy - DiPalo shopping, Caffe Palmeo or Caffee Roma Pastry (which one?) for cannol - am I missing anything here?

Dinner at Torrisi’s

Option B:

Dinner at Little owl, squeezing in Grand Central Terminal (Junior's cheesecake) after Central Park

Followed by:

Times Square

ESB

- Friday -

SOL cruise

Battery Gardens Beer Garden & exploring Battery Park

9/11 Memorial

Financial District – Luke’s Lobster for late lunch

Woolworth Building

IF we don't do Little Italy Thursday - fit it in here

Lower East Side - what to explore here?

SoHo - what to explore here?

Katz’s for late dinner

- Saturday -

Rockefeller Tour and TOTR (while munching on Macrons from Bouchon)

Central Park South - am I missing anything to eat here?

5th Avenue shopping

Brooklyn Bridge (should we have dinner in Brooklyn?)

- Need food recs for this day - lunch and dinner

Thanks!

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  1. When are you coming to town? Where are you coming from?

    Overall, I'd say that your itinerary is much too ambitious and you're all over the place geographically. You're going to be running yourself ragged.

    > Wednesday -
    > DIY Food tour of Greenwich Village (The Donut Pub, A Salt & Battery, Big Gay Ice Cream, Milk & Cookies Bakery, Murray’s Cheese Bar, Faicco Pork Store, Pasticceria Rocco (cheesecake), Artichoke Pizza) - Picnic in Washington Square Park

    You're missing a lot of gems in the Village, see my walking tour here:
    https://foursquare.com/kathrynyu/list...

    Not sure if Donut Pub, A Salt & Battery, and Milk & Cookies are really worth going out of your way for, but that could be personal preference for places like Grom, Victory Garden, Bosie Tea Parlor, etc.

    If you're at Rocco's anyway, get your freshly filled cannoli there.

    Also you should always have a backup plan for your picnic in the park case it's raining.

    > Exploring/Shopping in the Village
    > Union Square Green Market
    > Madison Square Park
    > Flatiron Building

    You know that you can't go inside/take a tour of the Flatiron Building, right?

    While you're there why not visit Eataly or Shake Shack?

    > - Thursday -

    > Central Park (stop in Payard bakery for croissants and coffee
    )> Chelsea Market (/ Artists and Fleas Market
    > High Line Park and Le Bain bar for a drink

    > Option A:
    > Little Italy - DiPalo shopping, Caffe Palmeo or Caffee Roma > Pastry (which one?) for cannol - am I missing anything here?
    > Dinner at Torrisi’s

    > Option B:
    > Dinner at Little owl, squeezing in Grand Central Terminal (Junior's cheesecake) after Central Park
    > Followed by:
    > Times Square
    > ESB

    This itinerary is really intense and logistically challenging!

    Central Park to Chelsea Market / High Line doesn't make any sense -- they're nowhere near each other. Also there's a Payard downtown near Greenwich Village, on Houston Street. So you could go on Wednesday if you want your Payard fix then.

    And get your cannoli at Rocco's on Weds.

    For Option A: Torrisi is cramped. I'd be wary of bringing in my purchases from Di Palo there, just because you probably don't want any extra bags under foot.

    AND Torrisi just increased their menu to be $100pp. Did you already have a reservation?
    http://ny.eater.com/archives/2013/09/...

    For Option B: Central Park -> Grand Central -> Times Square isn't too bad and I would DEFINITELY do Top of the Rock rather than the Empire State Building. From the ToTR you can actually see the ESB. And not wait in a long line to get in, as it's timed entry.

    However, if you want to have dinner at Little Owl, it makes more sense to go there if you're going to be near the High Line or West Village. Also, it's also a TINY place.

    Did you already have a reservation?

    > Friday
    > SOL cruise
    > Battery Gardens Beer Garden & exploring Battery Park
    > 9/11 Memorial
    > Financial District – Luke’s Lobster for late lunch
    > Woolworth Building
    > IF we don't do Little Italy Thursday - fit it in here
    > Lower East Side - what to explore here?
    > SoHo - what to explore here?
    > Katz’s for late dinner

    I hope you meant Statue of Liberty cruise. And not the other meaning of SOL. No plans to go on the island itself or go inside the statue? It's pretty neat.

    There isn't really much that's interesting about Battery Park IMO.

    For the 9/11 Memorial, I hope you have timed tickets already. I don't think they have restrooms there either, still.

    I highly recommend RGR's self guided Lower East Side Gustatory tour but sub in Pickle Guys for Guss' Pickles and note that Economy Candy's address is incorrect:
    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/493333

    Also I think the LES Tenement Museum is a good destination, and a walk through Essex St Market might be fun.

    It doesn't make sense to go to Soho and back to Katz's for your late dinner and most of the stores in Soho aren't open super late. You'll also probably be EXHAUSTED by the end of the day with the Statue of Liberty, Battery Park, 9/11 Memorial, FiDi, Little Italy, and LES all on your schedule on this day.

    > - Saturday -
    > Rockefeller Tour and TOTR (while munching on Macrons from Bouchon
    )> Central Park South - am I missing anything to eat here?
    > 5th Avenue shopping
    > Brooklyn Bridge (should we have dinner in Brooklyn?)
    > - Need food recs for this day - lunch and dinner

    No need to do both the ESB and ToTR. Pick one.

    Bouchon's macarons are hit or miss. Skip them. If you're going to be near Rock Center anyway, go to La Maison du Chocolat for macarons that are much better. Near the UES, you'll be nearish Laduree earlier on your trip. And Biscous Ciao and Bosie Tea Parlor in the Village, earlier on in your trip.

    Rock Center to Central Park South (Central Park again?) to 5th Ave Shopping and then also the Brooklyn Bridge? That's way too much to shove in one day.

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    1. re: kathryn

      Completely agree that the days sound over scheduled and all over the place.

      Sat after ToTR and 5th ave shopping Ma Peche would be a good lunch option.
      Central park south isn't anything special, hotdog carts, horses and buggies, and tons of other tourists.

      1. re: Ttrockwood

        Do you have any recommendations on things to take out if you think it's too much?

        Here is the latest draft:

        DIY Food tour of Greenwich Village – picnic in Washington Square Park - Stops: Il Cantuccio, Big Gay Ice Cream, Milk & Cookies Bakery, Murray’s Cheese Bar, Faicco Pork Store, Pasticceria Rocco (cheesecake), Joe’s Pizza, Washington Square Park

        Exploring/Shopping in the Village/Union Square Farmer’s Market: From the WA Square Park arch, go up 5th Avenue 4-5 blocks, passing the two pretty churches and other nice architecture. Then go east on 12th or 13th Street to University Place. Up University 1-2 blocks to 14th Street and you're at Union Square. Wander through the greenmarket and exit at the NW corner, at 17th Street & Broadway. Up Broadway another 6 blocks (to 23rd Street) and you're at Madison Square Park and the Flatiron Building. From there you can go back to Penn Station.

        Back to LI for pizza

        - Thursday -

        Subway to Two Little Red Hens for cheesecake and coffee. Stop at Lexington Candy Shop for an Egg Cream. From there, Walk to Central Park and enter at 84th Street and head West then Southwest to exit at 77th Street, walk up to Shake Shack. Enter Park again and walk East then Southeast to exit at 59th Street at Plaza Hotel.
        5th Avenue shopping (The Plaza hotel (stop inside food court and get a slice of mille crepe from Lady M and some baguettes from Pain D'avignon)

        Chinatown/Little Italy/Lower East Side DIY Food Tour – work in progress, please see other thread

        - Friday -

        High Line & Chelsea Market

        Rockefeller Tour (5 pm) and TOTR (6-7 just before and during sunset)
        Keen's Steakhouse for dinner (maybe)
        ESB
        Times Square - Junior's for cheesecake

        - Saturday -

        East River Ferry to Williamsburg Smorgasburg Ferry Back to Brooklyn bridge and walk across OR take it to wall street (below South Street Seaport)\
        OR
        Smorgasbar in South Street Seaport and exploring toward FiDi
        Financial District – Luke’s Lobster for lunch (is this a must?)
        SOL cruise 1-4
        9/11 Memorial
        Woolworth Building Tour
        Grand Central Terminal

        1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

          The agenda looks much more managable now- and there are a number of places you can just pick up goodies to go. I have to mention the dosa cart in washington sq park since you will be there- he has won several awards, its delicious but would be an eat now not later situation.

          I do think its too tight to do smorgasburg before your 1pm boatride since it opens at 11am.....

          1. re: Ttrockwood

            Ohh! I will save room. It'll be 3 of us splitting everything we get Anyway.

            I figured. I'd rather do smorsabar after our tours so we can start drinking there and continue on through the night in FiDi anyway :)

      2. re: kathryn

        Oddly, the "Reply" option doesn't show up on my computer for the OP. Anyone else having that problem?

        Anyway, great recommendations, as always, from kathryn.

        I just wanted to add that if you do want ideas about Brooklyn, you should put a separate query on the Outer Boroughs board.

        And, if you want to know anything about LI eating, use the New York State board.

        It may seem like additional work, but it's really the best way to get thorough help.

      3. Do you mean Donut Pub (on 14th Street) or Donut Plant on Grand? Neither is in the Village.

        Donut Pub is some really good traditional donuts. (Toasted Coconut is a real standout.)

        Donut Plant is gourmet donuts done right. I'm not a big coconut guy but the coconut cream is really good. (Hard to get a bad donut here.

        If you do Donut Plant, you have the Pickle Guys down the block. (Pickled Pineapple is a must.) In this general area (Lower East Side) you also have old standards: Katz's, Russ and Daughter, The Meatball Shop, Economy Candy, The gelatto place on Houston (across the street from Katz's.)

        Or you could head south from Donut Plant, and hit Chinatown and/or Little Italy (or not -- other than a few shops there is not much left of Little Italy) and/or Freeman's Alley (get the artichoke app.)

        1. If I were at Flatrion Building/Madison Sq Park area, I wouldn't plan on dinner of LI pizza. I would go to Live Bait and get chicken fried steak and a few beers. Then catch a later train.

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          1. re: hambone

            I personally wouldn't argue against Long Island pizza. Depends on where the OP is staying, but I've been to a number of pizza joints there that are much better than the average spot in Manhattan. Definitely inquire on the New York State board if you don't already have personal recommendations.

            As for Live Bait, I've been there mainly for drinks but a couple of times for food. I don't think it's anything special. It seems like any old bar to me.

            1. re: churros

              I find that Long Island pizza is getting more and more generic (or more and more crazy California type) as my time away grows.

              But my pizza eating on Long Island is Suffolk County, north shore. So YMMV.

              LIve Bait (and I will admit I am a pushover for good chicken fried steak) has the best chicken fried steak I've had in NYC since Delta 88 Club closed.

              1. re: hambone

                Better than Brooklyn Star?

                1. re: Sneakeater

                  what what what?

                  I'll let you know in a week or two after I've eaten at Brooklyn Star.

                2. re: hambone

                  Yeah, it probably depends where on Long Island. My experiences are mostly in western Nassau. Quite a few places that have been around a long time and still make excellent pizza.

            2. You could have a nice pizza walk after getting off the Brooklyn Bridge.

              I've always wanted to do this:

              You need a half dozen or so folks.

              Head down Court Street,
              1. get a pie at My Little (the one with basil and fresh mozzarella) [114 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11201];
              1a. hang a quick right on Atlantic, get some stuff at Sahadis then back to Court continuing toward Carroll Gardens;
              2. a pie with garlic (a must) and pepperoni (my preference) at Sam's Chop House [238 Court St Brooklyn, NY 11201];
              2a. stop in at D'Amico Coffee for a cup of joe.
              2b. Get some Soppressata at Esposito and Sons (everything else is good, too.)
              3. South Brooklyn [Pizza 451 Court St] you can take it to the bar next door.
              3a. Caputo's is right there but you probably aren't going to be in the mood for fresh mozzarella by this point. Too bad. It is really good. You could stop in for other stuff. They have a nice selection of really good dry goods.
              4. Lucali [575 Henry St, Brooklyn, NY 11231] then just go back one block to Clinton for a cab.

              (Arguably none of these are the best pizzas in NYC but with a bunch of friends, a pizza crawl would be a great way to spend a day.)

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              1. re: hambone

                This sounds fantastic! Unfortunately there aren't that many of us.

              2. We are coming to town in the beginning of October from Chicago.

                We do not have any reservations for restaurants yet.

                They are building an Eataly here so that is why it is not on my list.

                The Donut Pub on my village tour is on 14th street. I have already mapped out my route and all of these are along the route to Washington Square Park.

                F Train – 14th Street, The Donut Pub, A Salt & Battery, Big Gay Ice Cream, Milk & Cookies Bakery, Murray’s Cheese Bar, Faicco Pork Store, Pasticceria Rocco (cheesecake), Artichoke Pizza, Washington Square Park. This is total a 1.39 mile walk.

                If I could take Donut Pub and A Salt & Battery off because they aren't worth it, then it would knock our total walking to under a mile. Getting off the #1 or #2 trainat Christopher Street and starting at Big Gay Ice Cream.

                I understand we cannot go in the Flatiron Building, we plan to walk by on our way back to Penn Station. Here is our walking tour route of the Village:
                From the WA Square Park arch, go up 5th Avenue 4-5 blocks, passing the two pretty churches and other nice architecture. Then go east on 12th or 13th Street to University Place. Up University 1-2 blocks to 14th Street and you're at Union Square. Wander through the greenmarket and exit at the NW corner, at 17th Street & Broadway. Up Broadway another 6 blocks (to 23rd Street) and you're at Madison Square Park and the Flatiron Building. From there you can go back to Penn Station.

                I should mention that our flight leaves Chicago at 5:56 am that day, so we will have been up from 3:30 am. I think after all this eating and walking, we will be tired and ready to go relax that first night.

                We are staying in Hewlett and my friend is ready to show me why she thinks NYC pizza is better than Chicago pizza. I disagree already, but I am willing to try it ;)

                I understand some of these places are not near each other, we do not plan on walking or cabbing though. I understand how to use public transportation and we will be buying a weekly metro card to utilize the subway system. Sometimes a 25 minute commute from one side of town to the other is fine by us.

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                1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                  > We are coming to town in the beginning of October from Chicago.

                  > We do not have any reservations for restaurants yet.

                  > They are building an Eataly here so that is why it is not on my list.

                  Might be worth going to the rooftop beer bar at Eataly, as I'm not sure the one in Chicago will have that feature.

                  For the Little Owl, while I like it, it's not really a destination place I'd recommend for out of towners. Also if you try to make a reservation on OpenTable 28 days in advance, you will find you can only get 5pm, 5:30pm, etc. slots. Not sure if the restaurant is holding any back.

                  > If I could take Donut Pub and A Salt & Battery off because they aren't worth it, then it would knock our total walking to under a mile. Getting off the #1 or #2 train at Christopher Street and starting at Big Gay Ice Cream.

                  I've tried Doughnut Vault as well as Do-Rite (but not Glazed & Infused yet) in Chicago and you doughnut scene is SO MUCH better than ours.

                  My comment about overscheduling was more about the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th days of your trip. The 1st day sounds OK.

                  Just keep in mind that ANY travel is stressful. Train and subway rides, making sure you get off at the right stop, unfamiliar surroundings, navigating, etc. I also find Penn Station one of the most stressful places given the horrible layout & low ceilings in some parts. As well as the glaring lights from chain restaurants.

                  I would suggest building in buffer times to sit and people watch in Madison Sq Park / Washington Sq Park / Union Sq Park or just hang out.

                2. Regarding Central Park - I am told we need more than one day to explore it. Are you saying this is too much?

                  For reference, we plan to arrive in the city around 10 am each day. I wanted a place to stop for coffee and a bagel or pastry to throw in my bag so we could sit down in the park and eat it when we get hungry. Someone on another board mentioned a different location for Payard and when I looked it up, I saw a location right near the SW corner of the park.. so I thought about going there first.

                  I understand it is often recommended to only do ESB or TOTR, but we would like to see both - one during the day (ToTR I hear is best during daylight) and ESB at night.

                  We don't plan on doing much shopping on 5th avenue - just a few things, mostly walking around so I don't think we will be there for more than 2ish hours. Maybe I am wrong, someone enlighten me.

                  I am moreso leaning toward Little Owl for dinner on Thursday. We would go after the High Line. Then after dinner, take the train back to Times Square and do the ESB before heading back to LI. I am told Times Square is best seen at night, and we won't really be doing much but walking through.

                  Thanks for the tip about posting for recs on the Brooklyn board, I will check it out next.

                  SOL cruise, is in fact, going to Liberty Island and the Monument. Unfortunately, the crown access tickets are sold out. I was not aware they sell out so far in advance.

                  If Battery Park is a miss (not even worth a quick stroll on the way to the 9/11 memorial?) then we will need a recommendation for a light lunch before the memorial.

                  We have a connection with the 9/11 memorial and are gaining access that way.

                  If we skip SoHo, will I be sad we missed it? Should we move it to a different day?

                  That Lower East Side walking tour sounds perfect. Thanks for the rec!

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                  1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                    > Regarding Central Park - I am told we need more than one day to explore it. Are you saying this is too much?

                    For such a short trip, unless you have a special interest in Central Park, just get a small taste of what is there... It just seemed like overkill to go all the way to the UES and then back down to Chelsea Market, and then up again to Central Park on a different day.

                    If you are coming in from Penn Station, it is much easier to hit up Chelsea Market straight from there. The High Line also has food vendors through Oct 19. Blue Bottle Coffee, Brooklyn Soda Works, Delaney Barbecue’s SmokeLine, La Newyorkina, L’Arte del Gelato, Melt Bakery, People’s Pops, Sigmund’s Pretzels, and The Taco Truck, as well as Terroir (wine bar).
                    http://www.thehighline.org/about/high...

                    BTW, if you want a pastry & coffee "to go" on your way into the city from Penn Station, you could walk to the Stumptown in the Ace Hotel or La Maison du Macaron and Eataly on 23rd St. There's also a new Cafe Grumpy on 39th and 7th BTW.

                    > I understand it is often recommended to only do ESB or TOTR, but we would like to see both - one during the day (ToTR I hear is best during daylight) and ESB at night.

                    I prefer ToTR just before the sun sets, so you get a view of the ESB during daytime, dusk, and nighttime.

                    > If Battery Park is a miss (not even worth a quick stroll on the way to the 9/11 memorial?) then we will need a recommendation for a light lunch before the memorial.

                    Near the 9/11 Memorial there isn't a whole lot of notable food but go north and cross the bridge/highway for North End Grill, Shake Shack, Blue Smoke. NEG will probably be too expensive for you, but they have great baked goods. Blue Smoke also has a "bake shop" inside the restaurant. These 3 restaurants are all in the same complex. It's not terribly close, but also not too far a walk, though there will be stairs involved as the escalators are currently out (at least they were a few weeks ago).

                    If you feel like walking over to South Seaport, Smorgasbar (an off shoot of Smorgasburg) could be worth a look. That will probably have the most options to explore in one place.
                    http://www.brooklynflea.com/markets/s...

                    There is also a food truck court at the World Financial Center but you'll be competing with the nearby office workers.
                    http://brookfieldplaceny.com/foodtrucks

                  2. Thanks for the tip regarding Little Owl, I will take it under advisement.

                    Can you recommend a place for dinner on Thursday night then? We will be coming from the High Line and need a spot between there and Times Square.

                    Regarding Eataly beer garden - is this a good spot to stop and chill during/after 5th avenue shopping? It also looks like Shake Shack is very closeby. So maybe shopping, shake shack and then Eataly for a beer?

                    What do you suggest I do about the crowded schedule? I guess I am being naive because the only day that seems crazy to me is Friday.

                    Friday revised:

                    Statue of Liberty

                    - Need a spot to stop to eat after -

                    9/11 Memorial

                    Financial District – Luke’s Lobster for late lunch

                    Woolworth Building Tour

                    Little Italy

                    Lower East Side Food Tour (ending with dinner at Katz's)

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                    1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                      The High Line is pretty long, so dependent upon where you are, I would recommend Txikito for Basque tapas or Montmartre for French-Asian brasserie. We also just had a really nice meal at the Tap Room at Colicchio & Sons.

                      If the weather is nice, and you're talking about stopping on Saturday, both Eataly and Shake Shack will be packed. Better to do these on a weekday.

                      BTW, the Woolworth Building you also can't go inside. The lobby is stunning but no photos allowed per the management. The security guard will probably try to shoo you out the moment you step inside. The lobby is really what makes the building interesting.

                    2. I don't think I ever mentioned a budget for food. North End Grill is not too expensive. However, the timing isn't right as lunch/brunch ends at 2 and they don't open for dinner until 5:30.

                      It looks like Luke's Lobster in FiDi is only 4 blocks away from Battery park, so we can walk there after the Statue of Liberty and do Fidi/lunch before heading to the 9/11 memorial.

                      So here is a revised Thursday:

                      Chelsea Market
                      High Line
                      Central Park
                      Grand Central Terminal

                      Need a dinner recommendation here for after the Park since we want to get cheesecake from Junior's anyway.

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                      1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                        For lunch before 9/11 memorial i would suggest nish nush in tribeca, really excellent falafel pita sandwich and great hummus, casual and cheap:

                        http://www.nishnushnyc.com/

                        You cut take the subway from battery park to city hall to cut down on some walking if you're tired or its gross weather

                      2. Ok, good point about going to Eatlay and Shake Shack on a Saturday. Here is a revised Thursday and Saturday then (switching them around)

                        - Thursday -
                        5th Avenue shopping
                        Lunch at Shake Shack
                        Beer at beer garden rooftop at Eatlay
                        Central Park
                        Dinner?!
                        Grand Central Terminal – Junior’s for cheesecake

                        - Saturday -
                        Chelsea Market
                        High Line - Le Bain, rooftop bar
                        Rockefeller Tour and TOTR (just before sunset)
                        Times Square
                        ESB

                        Do we really need to the Rockerfeller Tour or should we skip it and only do ToTR?

                        Woolworth Building has tours now where you can take photos: http://woolworthtours.com/

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                        1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                          If you are going to Central park, stop by the plaza hotel food court and get a slice of mille crepe from Lady M and some baguettes from Pain D'avignon. I think those those two things are the best in NYC and absolute must when visiting NYC..i don't kown where you are from but if you can freeze the bread in the house you are staying in Long Island and bring them over to your home, your weekend breakfast will be amazing when you get home.

                          1. re: Monica

                            Yum, sounds great, thank you!

                        2. Just a random thought. Since you're hoping to see a lot of the city in a short period of time, perhaps consider doing those hop on/hop off buses? I like doing that in big cities at the beginning of trips to get a lay of the land and then decide where I really want to return later on in the trip.

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                          1. re: churros

                            It was one of my first considerations. However, they do not really come recommended as they are expensive and you tend to spend more time sitting in traffic than anything.

                            Being from Chicago, we are comfortable with taking the subway and walking a lot. I prefer to explore more off the beaten track this way too.

                            Thank you, though.

                          2. Ok, I think this is shaping out nicely. Thoughts and suggestions? This doesn't include the Brooklyn Bridge because I am just not sure when we can fit it in, any suggestions are welcome.

                            - Wednesday -

                            DIY Food tour of Greenwich Village – picnic in Washington Square Park - Stop include:
                            Big Gay Ice Cream, Milk & Cookies Bakery, Murray’s Cheese Bar, Faicco Pork Store, Pasticceria Rocco (cheesecake), Artichoke Pizza

                            Exploring/Shopping in the Village/Union Square Farmer’s Market/Madison Sq Park/Flat Iron Building
                            Directions: From the WA Square Park arch, go up 5th Avenue 4-5 blocks, passing the two pretty churches and other nice architecture. Then go east on 12th or 13th Street to University Place. Up University 1-2 blocks to 14th Street and you're at Union Square. Wander through the greenmarket and exit at the NW corner, at 17th Street & Broadway. Up Broadway another 6 blocks (to 23rd Street) and you're at Madison Square Park and the Flatiron Building. From there you can go back to Penn Station.

                            Back to LI for pizza

                            - Thursday -

                            Central Park South (enter SW corner Need somewhere to stop for coffee/breakfast to go) – exit near the met and then start waking down 5th ave.

                            5th Avenue shopping (The Plaza hotel (stop inside food court and get a slice of mille crepe from Lady M and some baguettes from Pain D'avignon)

                            Lower East Side Food Tour (starting at Katz’s for lunch)

                            Chinatown & Little Italy– Take J train to canal street, walk to New Beef King, walk to Canal/Bowery and then up to Grand/Bowery and to the Supermarket on Mott Street Di Palo’s, Alleva Dairy, Ferrara Pastry.

                            Grand Central Terminal – Junior’s for cheesecake

                            Is this day full enough - my only thought is maybe somewhere to stop for a drink this night before heading back.

                            - Friday -

                            High Line

                            Chelsea Market / Artists and Fleas

                            Rockefeller Tour (5 pm) and TOTR (6-7 just before and during sunset)

                            Times Square

                            ESB

                            Somewhere to have dinner?

                            - Saturday -

                            SOL cruise 10-1

                            Financial District – Luke’s Lobster for lunch

                            9/11 Memorial

                            Woolworth Building Tour

                            Drinks/Dinner beer garden rooftop at Eatlay or just drinks and Dinner at one of these places: Eisenbergs, Shake Shack, Sagaponack?

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                            1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                              > DIY Food tour of Greenwich Village – picnic in Washington Square Park - Stop include:
                              Big Gay Ice Cream, Milk & Cookies Bakery, Murray’s Cheese Bar, Faicco Pork Store, Pasticceria Rocco (cheesecake), Artichoke Pizza

                              I find that Artichoke's regular, artichoke, and crab pizza are not that great. The crust is too thick. If there, I prefer the square slice.

                              Joe's may be a better choice for your DIY food tour.

                              > Central Park South (enter SW corner Need somewhere to stop for coffee/breakfast to go) – exit near the met and then start waking down 5th ave.

                              This may help you find a good place for pastries and coffee on your way from the train (the 86th St 6?) to the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
                              http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2013/0...

                              The closest option is Cafe Sabarsky but it's a sit down experience, not take out, I don't think.

                              If you're that big a cheesecake fan, maybe you want to detour to Two Little Red Hens on this day.

                              > ESB
                              > Somewhere to have dinner?

                              Near the ESB, I might go to Keens, for a classic feeling NY steakhouse.

                              > Drinks/Dinner beer garden rooftop at Eatlay or just drinks and Dinner at one of these places: Eisenbergs, Shake Shack, Sagaponack?

                              If you're near the Woolworth Building, you'll be closer to the Battery Park City Shake Shack, BTW.

                              Saturday night there may be a line to get into the rooftop garden at Eataly.

                              1. re: kathryn

                                I will switch out Artichoke for Joe's.

                                I am looking for a coffee place before we enter the park. Somewhere near The Lincoln Center, as I think we will get off the Subway there and enter the park at 65th or 66th street.

                                Good thinking with Eataly.

                                Do you think if we remove that then, that we will have time to go to smorgasburg in Brooklyn and then walk back over the Brooklyn Bridge? We might need to rearrange the order since it's only from 11-6 though.

                                Being from Chicago, we don't really seek out steakhouses on vacation. It doesn't need to be near the ESB. Maybe Hell's Kitchen area, SoHo or Tribeca? Somewhere on the way back to Penn Station..

                                1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                                  You could get some coffee & pastries from Epicurie Boulud if you're getting off at the 66th St 1 train stop.

                                  Smorgasburg is really popular and not something I'd want to hit at the end of the day, when vendors start selling out of food and start packing up to leave. Best to get there before noon, as lines can be very long.

                                  The ESB is not too far from Penn Station, so it doesn't make sense to me to stray too far for dinner. Somewhere nearby in Chelsea might be fun. Txikito, which I recommended earlier, might be a good stop, for something different from what you can get at home. Or Hanjan, Hill Country, The Breslin...

                                  This guide may help:
                                  http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2013/0...

                                  1. re: kathryn

                                    Ok, I think I figured out our Central park route - we will exit at 85th street, do lunch at shake shack on the UES and then walk to Two little Red Hens.

                                    Then we can take t he #4 to 59th Street to start shopping at FAO Schwarz.

                                    What are your thoughts one eating a meal at Junior's in Times Square? I know the cheesecake is amazing. Maybe we could do Times Square, Juniors, ESB and then back to Penn Station.

                                    1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                                      Or should we do Penn Station > Two Little Red Hens, walk through Central Park, exit 77th street, Shake Shack for lunch, head back into park and exit 59th Street to come up to the Plaza and then shopping.

                                      Yeah, I like the way that sounds better.

                                  2. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                                    There is no way to get from Williamsburg to the Brooklyn Bridge via public transportation, and it is a very long walk.

                                    1. re: Sneakeater

                                      good to know. Brooklyn will just have to be a pipe dream for this trip.

                                      1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                                        There is indeed public transportation from W'burg to Brooklyn Bridge. There is a nice ferry on the East River that departs from right where the Williamsburg Smorgasburg event is located and travels down to the BB. The views from the roof deck on the ferry on a fine day are nice and the trip is very short. You could eat at Smorgasburg from close to opening around 11am and then take the ferry down to the BB and walk across. Alternatively, the ferry's next stop after the BB is back in Manhattan near Wall St., below South Street Seaport. You can then continue you day from there.

                                        1. re: Silverjay

                                          ...And a Citibike ride from W'burg to Dumbo is probably 20 minutes and mostly flat, with a bike lane the entire way.

                                          1. re: Silverjay

                                            This is great news. It would be cutting it pretty close to do Smorasburg first since the last SOL ferry leaves at 1. Maybe we could do it after SOL and then do FiDi and the 9/11 memorial after our walk back from the BB.

                                            1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                                              yeah i don't know much about downtown tourist stuff like SOL ferry and the memorial, etc. Just trying to offer you a fun logistical travel option for getting around... Good luck!

                                            2. re: Silverjay

                                              Ahhhhhh! I am SO embarrassed.

                                              I always forget about the ferry.

                                              Silverjay is right: the ferry is WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!

                                        2. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                                          I like Artichoke way more than Joe's. If you want thin crust go with Joe's, if you want over the top filling slices go with Artichoke.

                                          1. re: Humbucker

                                            Note that OP is coming from Chicago, so thin crust NY style is not as available there.

                                            1. re: Humbucker

                                              I originally had Artichoke on there, but kathryn recommended Joe's instead. I had had Joe's written down anyway, so I just switched it cuz she seems to know what she is talking about.

                                              I actually mostly had Artichoke on there cuz Elvis Duran had talked about it one day as being so good. We will be eating pizza so many other times though, that I am cool with passing on it if Joe's is really better and it seems to be.

                                              I wish we were flying in the same terminal in LGA that has Artichoke there so we could try it. Boo.

                                      2. If you are staying with a friend in Hewlett, please make sure you go to Wall's Bake Shop on 1336 Broadway.

                                        May look like nothing special until you have one bite, but it is the best old-style Jewish bakery! Try the marble pound cake (called philly fluff, I think - and let them slice it), the black and white cookies, any babka, cupcakes, and almost anything else.

                                        Live in Manhattan and commute to LI for work. So bummed when I stopped going to Hewlett (as was my family) as no easy way to get Wall's!

                                        3 Replies
                                        1. re: Love to Eat

                                          I will make a note of it. Thanks!

                                          1. re: Love to Eat

                                            Yikes, you are staying in Hewlett??!! Run, do not walk, to Walls!! Their rye bread puts Orwasher's to shame, and the chocolate babka.....manna of my youth!

                                            1. re: erica

                                              lol. My friend mentioned taking us to some places there so I have to bet this is one of them. Either way, we are going.

                                              Just googled - she lives only blocks away. Run you say? Ok ;)

                                          2. I have mentioned Brooklyn's Smorgasburg (see their website) a cple of times on here and also the very reasonable water taxi the lands right nesr there that can take you either uptown or to the Seaport Museum/Wall St. area.

                                            If you can't make it to Brooklyn, a smaller version goes on right near the Seaport Museum area that is starting to recover from Sandy. There are also some nice watering holes and restaurants that are back up and running. Battery Park, the Stock Exchange, etc are a quick 10 min walk

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                                            1. re: FriedClamFanatic

                                              I can't get to the website here at work, but will take a look at it at home sometime.

                                              Can you give me some names of these "watering holes"?

                                              1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                                                Dead Rabbit is an excellent one.

                                                1. re: kathryn

                                                  Definitely looks like a place we would want to stop at. Their menu looks pretty good - any experience?

                                                  1. re: ComeAwayWithMe

                                                    The Taproom downstairs opens at 11am but the Parlor Room upstairs doesn't open until 5pm. In the Taproom, we have loved all 3 different flagons of punch on offer, as well as most of the mixed drinks menu. Haven't really tried any of the Pop-Inns. They also do a great Irish Coffee (it's a special, on the mirror). The Parlor Room has a giant, giant menu. It's bound, like a book. We've barely touched the surface of their insanely long menu, but I remember the Mamie Taylor being excellent.

                                                    1. re: kathryn

                                                      Sorry, I meant with their food.