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Seattle's signature food---is there such a thing?

ChowHap Sep 8, 2013 06:48 PM

If so, where should I get it? Staying two nights downtown and two nights near Sea-Tac.

If not, what do you propose as the signature food?

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  1. c oliver RE: ChowHap Sep 8, 2013 07:03 PM

    I don't know about signature but Paseo's is wonderful.


    But not downtown.

    Maybe dim sum in the ID (Intl. District). My fave is Jade Garden:


    1. kaleokahu RE: ChowHap Sep 8, 2013 08:20 PM

      Hi, ChowHap:

      I was born and raised here, and IMO there really is no "signature" food you can't get *somewhere* else. But Seattle is known for the wide variety of local seafood--fish, mollusks, bivalves, crustaceans.

      Salty's at Redondo Beach is within reach of Seatac, and the fresh sheet at McCormick & Schmick's Fish House downtown is always long and representative of what's in season. Ray's Boathouse in Ballard is one of Seattle's quintessential seafood dining experiences.


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        Gizmo56 RE: kaleokahu Sep 8, 2013 10:31 PM

        x2 for Ray's. An outstanding view and deep wine list to compliment the tasty and beautifully prepared seafood.

        Downtown consider Blueacre Seafood, sister restaurant Steelhead Diner (in the Pike Place Market), Etta's, and Seastar.

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          jlbwendt RE: Gizmo56 Sep 9, 2013 06:48 PM

          Agree that Ray's can't be beat for view and wine....but sadly I can't say the same for the food. The new, smaller menu is boring and homogenous comparatively and I was very disappointed last I went.

          If I go again, it will be to the new bar area in the dining room.

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            sweetpotater RE: jlbwendt Sep 9, 2013 09:04 PM

            I took my parents to Ray's for lunch. They really liked it (but their bar is low); I thought it was mediocre. Service and view were nice.

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              Gizmo56 RE: jlbwendt Sep 9, 2013 11:31 PM

              Respectfully disagree, based upon several summer dinners at Ray's, but my original rec's still rank higher (Walrus & Carpenter, Blueacre, Steelhead, Etta's), if one subtracts view and tradition.

              A possible delightful best-of-all-worlds compromise would be a mid-afternoon round of cocktails and small plates at Ray's Cafe followed by the first seating at Walrus & C.

          2. re: kaleokahu
            mrnelso RE: kaleokahu Sep 8, 2013 11:27 PM

            I've been sensibly out-voted in nomination of Dungeness and Mahonia Berry bitters are yet to be seen in the swanky bars here. "Signature" in these parts is mostly graffiti, though often unexpected and lovely (Paseo, a zillion small platers). The Blake Island salmon show aspires to be iconic, if wearily. In advocacy, I'd say it's a worthy show and the cookery is plain and authentic enough to engage. Ingrown in every adult by 19 is a paradigm of pizza that will be defended to the death and I hesitate to nominate Fish & Chips for that reason, but it is an iconically correct and satisfying experience of chow to feed seagulls and watch the boats on a summer day in Seattle. Ivar's may not be your choice for D
            fish & chips, but the clam chowder is iconic to a slice of chowder hounds. And how about coffee, anyhow?

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              ChowHap RE: mrnelso Sep 9, 2013 05:42 AM

              Thanks for the nice overview.

              And yes, how about coffee? Any notable local roaster / coffee house you'd recommend?

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                Gizmo56 RE: ChowHap Sep 9, 2013 10:04 AM


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                  mrnelso RE: ChowHap Sep 9, 2013 12:45 PM

                  Coffee is yet another typically idiosyncratic taste, but I look for Cafe Vita when I can't drink my own roast (cheap, easy, fun geekery).

            2. paulj RE: ChowHap Sep 8, 2013 08:45 PM



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                c oliver RE: paulj Sep 8, 2013 09:03 PM

                Now how cool is that??? Thanks.

                1. re: c oliver
                  equinoise RE: c oliver Sep 19, 2013 11:13 AM

                  YES! If I had my druthers there would be much more discussion about teriyaki on this board (and alot less about overdone, mediocre burgers at Dick's and Red Mill).

                  The J. Kauffman article referenced in the NYT piece is also a great read on the history of the teriyaki phenomenon. I think both omitted discussion of Joy Teriyaki in Lake City (now sadly closed) which was more notable for its authentic Mongolian food. A little salty butter tea with your chicken 'yaki? Why not?

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                    c oliver RE: equinoise Sep 19, 2013 12:26 PM

                    Drat! Our kids live in the Lake City area, a place that we're loving more and more for the food.

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                      GreenYoshi RE: equinoise Sep 19, 2013 12:48 PM

                      Hadn't hear Joy Teriyaki had closed. Sad.
                      I guess I should have gone more often...

                      1. re: equinoise
                        mrnelso RE: equinoise Sep 20, 2013 01:06 AM

                        Hey now, take it easy on poor Dick's (you can have Red Mill, though). Dick's's been reliably cheap and fast and always the same for 50 years and they have been reliably overdone and mediocre the whole time with the exact same menu (can anybody match that?). It's not every shop that can produce the very same cheeseburgers for 30 players after the championships year after year and it's a helluva scene.

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                          equinoise RE: mrnelso Sep 20, 2013 10:58 AM

                          Sir Nelso:

                          Yes, Dick's is nothing if not reliable. I too have fond memories of eating there in my youth (and extended youth). But more recent (and sober) visits have confirmed that its recommendation as Seattle's "signature food" or a "must-do" attraction for visitors is, like its burgers, overdone.

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                            mrnelso RE: equinoise Sep 20, 2013 04:57 PM

                            Thank you equinoise, and I so agree that Dick's is all the mediocrity posited herein. So much so that I would not personally nominate Dick's for any CHOW awards, though 50 years of consistency is unheard of in the industry and awardable for certain on those commercial merits alone - an award Dick can display proudly with his many and well-deserved deserved civic appreciations. A couple times a year, usually exhausted after late meetings, I will swing through the parking lot to grab a Dick's Special for a few hundred fast, familiar calories, but I do not expect CHOW.
                            It is my fervent hope that more chowish candidates for the signature signature will present themselves and they will not include hot-dogs or cream-cheese.
                            Having been a regular and appreciative patron of the Sunny Teriyaki Donut Center and Yoshi's on Roy, I see and acknowledge the appropriateness of this impulse, but it hurts my heart to acquiesce to this and I still feel bad about the element of cultural dis/mis-placement, so I will resist this nominee while we seek a better fit.
                            You will restore your general appreciation capacity some by visiting Dick's on a hot (such as it is) summer weekend night when the lot is full of giggling kids and smiling coaches.
                            I wait with you for illumination of this issue: when in Philly, have cheesesteak (often just icky, by the way), in Chicago, NY, or Mystic it's pizza. In Florida, Apalachicola oysters and dime-time shrimp; what in Seattle? I'd hope not to abandon the CHOW requirement to admit lesser, if worthy, gustatory events (Dick's, Paseo, Pagliacci...) and I am delighted to wait here with you.

                          2. re: mrnelso
                            firecracker RE: mrnelso Sep 24, 2013 10:36 PM

                            Dick's may be consistent and a "helluva scene" but it's also some of the worst crap served in the Seattle area. It's nasty beyond belief!

                          3. re: equinoise
                            mingm RE: equinoise Sep 20, 2013 10:26 PM

                            here's the article from the Weekly

                        2. re: paulj
                          Gizmo56 RE: paulj Sep 20, 2013 10:12 AM

                          We consume a lot of cheap teriyaki. But I don't see how we can consider it a signature dish, given the fact that teriyaki is part of Japanese cuisine.

                          My understanding of the meaning of "signature dish" is that it signifies something that was created locally, to which we can put our "signature," as an artist does on his or her own painting.

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                            equinoise RE: Gizmo56 Sep 20, 2013 11:03 AM


                            I agree that teriyaki is, per se, a cooking technique that is part of traditional Japanese cuisine. But the ubiquitous meat/rice/salad combination known here as "teriyaki" is a long way from traditional. Especially when you consider the liberties in preperation and accoutrement taken by the Korean, Vietnamese, Indian and Mongolian owners of local teriyaki shops, it's a decidely different animal.

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                              Gizmo56 RE: equinoise Sep 20, 2013 11:25 AM

                              Yes, it gets spun in various different ways here. But teriyaki itself was not born here, and therefore I don't think we can put our "signature" on it.

                              If that were true, we could say that because we put cream cheese on hot dogs, the frankfurter is Seattle's "signature" dish.

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                                Booklegger451 RE: Gizmo56 Sep 20, 2013 12:44 PM

                                Not sure I agree... Deep Dish Pizza is certainly one of Chicago's signature dishes, but pizza doesn't originate there. Chopped beef and cheese sandwiches didn't originate in Philadelphia, but Philly certainly put their signature on the Cheesesteak.

                                On the OTHER other hand, though, I've never heard anyone say "Give me a Seattle Teriyaki"...

                                1. re: Booklegger451
                                  Gizmo56 RE: Booklegger451 Sep 20, 2013 01:03 PM

                                  Right, I don't think serving cheap teriyaki with a little salad and rice is really so unique or distinctive that we can claim anything especially new is taking place.

                                  Deep dish pizza is a sufficient reinvention of pizza as to be almost a completely different animal, and the particular flavor profile you get in the Philly Cheesesteak from the combo of ultra-thin Ribeye, Grilled Onion, CheeseWiz and the Italian roll, is very different from a plain vanilla roast beef and cheese sandwich.

                                  I think what is arguably unique about our teriyaki (if anything) has more to do with the business model of these ubiquitous little shops (as developed by Toshi in the 1980's), than it has to do with the teriyaki itself.

                                  Returning to the hot dog analogy, I think we can lay claim to originating the cream cheese dog, but we can't claim that "hot dog" is our signature dish. And I just don't see what is so inventive in our teriyaki joints that we can call teriyaki a Seattle "signature" food.

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                                    Booklegger451 RE: Gizmo56 Sep 20, 2013 01:21 PM

                                    I think I can get behind the "not sufficiently mutated" line of thought.

                                    I'm going to vote for the Rainier Cherry as our signature food.

                                    1. re: Booklegger451
                                      mrnelso RE: Booklegger451 Sep 20, 2013 05:27 PM

                                      I now officially adore you, legger. This is a lovely contribution.

                                    2. re: Gizmo56
                                      equinoise RE: Gizmo56 Sep 20, 2013 01:45 PM

                                      Great arguments. But let's talk a little more about that hot dog analogy.

                                      Think about the importance of the hot dog to New York's food identity and history. You know: Nathan's Famous of Coney Island, Gray's Papaya, the ubiquitous Sabrett dogs sold on the street corners. As one blogger explains:

                                      "To many, New York City’s iconic street food is the hot dog. The steaming hot frank – boiled on a street cart and wheeled around on hot metal rollers at a baseball game, or perhaps tossed in a basket while you're waiting in a rowdy line at Nathan’s on Coney Island – holds nostalgia for New Yorkers and tourists alike."

                                      BUT, she goes on to say:

                                      "In the 1860s, German immigrants sold the frankfurters (which originated in Frankfurt, Germany) from pushcarts in Lower Manhattan, for three cents each, or two for five cents. As the popularity of the meat sandwiches in fluffy buns increased, sporting events and street vendors throughout the city began selling the dachshund-like food; hence the name, 'hot dog.' "


                                      What did NY do, then, with the immigrated frankfurter that is different from what Seattle did, first with the hot dog, and second, to sauced meat of Japanese extraction?

                                      It appears the major New York innovations upon the German frankfurter were business model (in the case of cheap street dogs), location and format (in the case of Nathan's Famous in Coney Island), or side accountrements (Gray's Papaya, serving dogs with the eponymous fruit drinks).

                                      As to the Seattle style dog, arguably the addition of cream cheese is a more substantive mutation than a mere change in delivery format or business model.

                                      So what of teriyaki then? We seem to agree about the uniqueness of the teriyaki business model/delivery format in Seattle. Is that, coupled with the ethno-centric variations on the salty-sweet meat/rice/salad theme, not sufficient to qualify as a signature food?

                                      1. re: equinoise
                                        Gizmo56 RE: equinoise Sep 20, 2013 02:33 PM

                                        I think not.

                                        Visitors go to Chicago and seek out deep dish pizza. Visitors go to Philadelphia and flock to Geno's and Pat's for cheesesteak. Visitors go to NYC and seek out NY pizza, towering pastrami sandwiches in the delis and, yes, a Nathan's hot dog at Coney Island. People visit New Orleans and seek out gumbo, and oysters bienville, and other Creole cuisine. I have never heard of anyone coming to Seattle and seeking out our teriyaki.

                                        If we have anything approaching a signature food (and that is doubtful, IMO), it would be the sort of fare that is served at a place like Ivar's Salmon House. If people around the country associate any particular food with this city, it is seafood in general, and specifically salmon with some sort of Native American themed prep, in a place with totem pole decor. I think local salmon roasted on an alder plank is about as close as we'll get to something that rises to the level of a local signature dish.

                                        I would say that teriyaki as a cheap fast food option is unusually popular here, and that we do have a distinctive business model, but I would not say that we can put our signature on teriyaki.

                                        I think we probably each interpret the term "signature food" in different ways, and so reasonable people may disagree.

                                        Now you have awakened an old craving in me for Gray's Papaya...dag nabit!

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                                          c oliver RE: Gizmo56 Sep 20, 2013 03:07 PM

                                          Excellent point. And as a regular visitor, I'll agree with salmon. And we are amazingly probably the only two people living on the Left Coast who don't particularly care for it :(

                                          1. re: c oliver
                                            firecracker RE: c oliver Sep 24, 2013 10:44 PM

                                            Try white (or ivory on some menus) salmon, c.oliver. Milder taste and higher in Omega 3 fish oils. Almost always wild caught (not the farmed stuff), it's really good grilled plain with butter and lemon drizzled on the finish.

                                            1. re: firecracker
                                              c oliver RE: firecracker Sep 25, 2013 06:15 AM

                                              Our kids fixed us wild and it was definitely white-ish. In that case, didn't like the texture. Almost mushy but perhaps they didn't cook it correctly (over/under?).

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                                                firecracker RE: c oliver Sep 25, 2013 08:23 PM

                                                Sounds over to me, c.oliver. How was the taste?

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                                                  c oliver RE: firecracker Sep 26, 2013 04:03 AM

                                                  Really not much flavor at all; just that unappealing texture. I recently bought Fish Without a Doubt. When we get home from this trip, I'm going to buy a piece from WF (my only choice where we live), follow directions and if we still don't like it then at least I know I gave it a fair shot.

                                          2. re: Gizmo56
                                            GreenYoshi RE: Gizmo56 Sep 20, 2013 05:52 PM

                                            I like the "seeking out" criteria for signature food. And while I actually have had some friends visiting me who were "seeking out" teriyaki, it was more of a function of their New York Times readership than anything else.

                                            Under that criteria, I'll go with Salmon (in any shape or form) and "Seattle-style" hot dogs.

                                            1. re: GreenYoshi
                                              mrnelso RE: GreenYoshi Sep 20, 2013 07:00 PM

                                              Thanks Yoshi
                                              I, too, like the "seeking out" criterion, and had the same experience of NYT readers disappointingly seeking teriyaki, but was unable to offer better candidates. "Salmon in any form" is probably as good as it gets, though this will raise howls of protest up and down the west coast, as truly indigenous candidates are rare as hen's teeth. Context continues to insert itself into CHOW considerations, where I do find a summer day in the back-yard with a Weber and a Salmon iconic.

                                          3. re: equinoise
                                            mrnelso RE: equinoise Sep 20, 2013 05:33 PM


                                        2. re: Booklegger451
                                          mrnelso RE: Booklegger451 Sep 20, 2013 05:03 PM

                                          Thank you and all for putting your appropriately many hands to the task of sorting-out this brainstorm.

                                          1. re: mrnelso
                                            equinoise RE: mrnelso Sep 23, 2013 09:38 AM

                                            I am pleased that Yoshi's out-of-town friends were seeking out teriyaki. The revolution has to start someone, and the food section of the the NYT is as good as anywhere else. Presumably, something analogous happened before the first time a Chicagoan went looking for a pastrami in the Lower East Side, or when a visitor to Philadelphia first sought out a cheesesteak.

                                            It seems as if I'm in the minority here, but I am bit leery about letting external perceptions too heavily dictate what is our signature food. There are numerous posts here wherein locals attempt to re-educate and re-direct visitors searching for some kind of Platonic ideal "Seattle seafood house" where they can realize a half-baked fantasy of salmon, crab, oysters, halibut, etc., all in one meal, all excellently prepared, all under the watchful eyes of totem poles surrounding the dining area.

                                            It seems to me that the core mission of this site is helping visitors eat as the locals do, which is not necessarily the same thing as validating the nautical- or Native-themed stereotypes that are promoted by external media and the popular imagination of visitors.

                                            1. re: equinoise
                                              kaleokahu RE: equinoise Sep 23, 2013 10:11 AM

                                              Hi, equinoise:

                                              Good on you for championing teriyaki. I get "yuki" takeout quite often from several places.

                                              I always assumed that most major cities had similar/proportionate ## and quality of teriyaki joints, but apparently not.

                                              Strange, but even though I eat it here at least 1:5 cheap-eats meals, whenever I travel, teriyaki is one of the last things I'd seek out. Again, I've always thought teriyaki was ubiquitous.


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                                  Gizmo56 RE: ChowHap Sep 8, 2013 10:29 PM

                                  Definitely fresh, local seafood, most especially salmon, local oysters, and Dungeness crab.

                                  The closest you'll come to a "signature" Seattle dish would be salmon roasted (or bbq'd) on an alder plank.

                                  We are more about quality local ingredients than a specific regional "cuisine." The Walrus and the Carpenter is one spot that is currently highly regarded as being emblematic of Seattle's unique strengths. It is in the north end of the city, so it would be a cab ride from downtown.


                                  There are not many great spots near Sea-Tac, but here is one stand-out:


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                                  1. re: Gizmo56
                                    sweetpotater RE: Gizmo56 Sep 9, 2013 05:34 PM

                                    Having moved here three years ago from the east coast, I'd say the signatures of Seattle dining are:

                                    1. Fresh, local seafood, as others have said.

                                    2. Farm-to-table plates (often small plates) that emphasis grains and especially vegetables, which tend to be afterthoughts elsewhere in the country.

                                  2. chartreauxx RE: ChowHap Sep 8, 2013 10:55 PM

                                    seattle dog: hot dog with cream cheese. grab it during the day at dog in the park (westlake center) or late night at the hot dog cart in the belltown bar district.

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                                      Bax RE: ChowHap Sep 23, 2013 01:29 PM

                                      Teriyaki may be ubiquitous, and I may have eaten my fair share when I lived there, but that doesn't mean I'd want to recommend it to someone wanting to experience a taste of Seattle, nor do I seek it out when I go back for a visit (and in fact while living there had not managed to find a place I liked as much as my favorite place here in Phoenix. Then again my search wasn't exactly exhaustive).

                                      When I think Seattle I generally don't think of any one food item -- it's usually more "oysters...crab...fresh, regional produce." Prepared in a simple way that lets the ingredients shine.

                                      But honestly...if I had to pick ONE item that means Seattle to me, and that makes me think "Seattle style!" if I see it on a menu elsewhere...yeah, it's the "Seattle Dog." And while I haven't had one on my return visits, I always mean to (preferably from a sidewalk cart outside a rock club, like Comet). I DON'T miss Dick's. I DO miss Seattle dogs. Tried a variation of one here which was delicious, but just not right (chipotle cream cheese, and too little of it) and didn't satisfy the craving.

                                      So yeah, I know it's low brow and a little embarrassing and maybe true Seattle-ites don't want to claim it (I only lived there 2 years so what do I know?). And no, I might not take a visitor to get one...then again, maybe I would (depending on who it was). Because yeah, if I wanted someone to get a typical "here's what it was like living on Capitol Hill" experience, that'd include late night on Pike/Pine and a Seattle dog.

                                      So yeah, sorry, my vote's going with a hot dog with cream cheese and sauteed onions, preferably eaten on a sidewalk amidst the bustle of nightlife (having a few drinks first might help but isn't required). The Field Roast version is surprisingly good too....

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                                        PAO RE: ChowHap Sep 24, 2013 12:39 PM

                                        If teriyaki (and usually second or third rate) is Seattle's signature food, then we're in trouble. What do people think of foodwise when they think of Seattle? One word--salmon. Usually prepared as simply as possible, because if it's truly fresh, why would we hide the taste? Or more generically, if you must--seafood.

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