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don took Sep 5, 2013 03:15 PM

who makes the best banana cream and cocoanut cream pies in the L.A. area.....particularly the Valley......either bakery or restaurant.

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    ChefRoux Oct 5, 2013 02:57 PM

    I first visited Pie n' Burger a few years ago, curious about all the hype on this board and others. I was not all at impressed.

    The windows were filthy, the floor dirty, and my table was sticky and wobbled when you leaned on it. When the burger came, it was nothing more than an In and Out-type with a big wad of iceberg lettuce. I ordered the apple pie, hoping for the best, but found the crust to be dense and chewy and the filling gummy and overspiced. The service was very slow, considering the place was about 2/3 empty. The waitress was not
    very friendly, either.

    As a food service professional (executive chef), I look at restaurants from both a customers and managers point of view. Pie n Burger got a "D" grade from both camps.

    CR

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      JAB Oct 5, 2013 04:58 PM

      No mention of the QPR?

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      martan Oct 3, 2013 01:30 PM

      House of Pies on Vermont for coconut cream pie...and I generally don't like coconut.

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        yd914 Oct 2, 2013 12:11 PM

        The Pie Hole makes the most beautiful pies I've seen.

        I'm also a pretty big fan of the Bavarian chocolate cream pie at House of Pies. The salted crust really does wonders.

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          tastycakes Oct 3, 2013 11:56 AM

          the pie hole's chocolate cream and maple custard were amazing. my husband and i fought over every bite.

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            revets2 Oct 5, 2013 06:18 PM

            Pie Hole is great.

            Just had unbelievable Salted Caramel Coconut Cream pie. Wow!

            Wish they had a wider variety of seasonal fruit pies and that they'd bring back that ridiculously good Peanut Butter chocolate pie with the salted pretzel crust.

            I have had one slice where the crust wasn't quite right. Maybe an anomaly.

            Mexican chocolate pie is really good too.

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            deco.rate Oct 2, 2013 11:35 AM

            I can't believe no one has mentioned the banana cream pie at Brite Spot. The slices are huge. The crust is amazing. There's huge chunks of real banana, and it's topped with real whipped cream, tons of it. There's a lashing of chocolate inside the crust, to boot. So good!

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              carojosh Oct 2, 2013 10:58 AM

              house of pies in los feliz makes an incredible banana chocolate cream pie

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                jessejames Oct 2, 2013 11:47 AM

                great pie shop...hard to steer away from the classic pecan pie there tho, or the apple crumb.

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                bvickers Oct 2, 2013 10:52 AM

                Anyone who says Pie 'n Burger needs to have one of PnB's overly starchy filling, leather-like meringue, and cement-like crust pies thrown in their face!! Most supermarket pies are better than PnB. Oh and cheaper too since PnB charges $7/slice and $20+ for the whole pie.

                Just because it is a diner, doesn't make it good.
                Just because it is old, doesn't make it good.
                Just because it you used to go there when you were a kid, doesn't make it good.
                Just because you always go there doesn't make ti good.
                Just because it is on some list that was made by people who never went and ate there, doesn't make it good.

                The pies at Pie 'n Burger are terrible!! Avoid!!

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                  WildSwede Oct 2, 2013 11:35 AM

                  Interesting... only 2 posts here and both slamming Pie N Burger. Just sayin'.

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                    kevin Oct 2, 2013 11:44 AM

                    wildswede, i have to say that pie n burger are some of the best pies in LA, right up there with the pan. but then again i could be wrong.

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                      Mr Taster Oct 2, 2013 07:41 PM

                      I've never been to Pie N' Burger but I've always been curious. The $7/slice thing REALLY bothers me, in the same way that The Apple Pan's price gouging bothers me. I'm a pie baker, and I look for buttery, flaky, tender crust in my pies with bright flavored fillings where the fruit flavor shines through. If the flavor is muted, it means they've used too much thickener, or too much of the wrong kind of thickener (I've personally made bright, beautiful lemon curd and dull, muted lemon curd and the difference was the quantity and type of thickener I used.)

                      In any case, I'd like to hear more details from pie bakers about the texture and flavor of the crust. $7 is a big chunk of change for a slice of pie, and unless it's going to knock my socks off like the Apple Pan banana cream pie, I'm likely to think it's a rip-off.

                      Mr Taster

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                        kevin Oct 2, 2013 10:13 PM

                        Go for the fresh peach pie in season.

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                          kevin Oct 2, 2013 10:14 PM

                          It's actually about 4.50 per slice, which is considerably cheaper than the Pan.

                          But for the fresh fruit pieces are about 4.85 I think and then it's another buck fifty for the whipped cream.

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                            jgilbert1000 Oct 3, 2013 02:29 PM

                            Pie N' Burger's pies are AWESOME. Love their Coconut Merangue pie. Its heavenly.

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                              bvickers Oct 3, 2013 08:48 PM

                              If by awesome you mean, an over use of corn starch in the filling with a meringue that needs a knife to cut through it, and a crust like a rock, then yeah, they're awesome.

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                              bvickers Oct 3, 2013 10:29 PM

                              You are correct. The pie is $5, but as noted the extra $1.50 for whipped cream makes it $6.50. Stopped by there yesterday to confirm. Didn't touch anything though, everything there is always so sticky. The place needs a serious cleaning.

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                          foufou Oct 4, 2013 01:25 PM

                          Agreed!

                        3. Steve2 in LA Sep 13, 2013 05:55 PM

                          Wait! No love for Four & Twenty in Van Nuys? They make both a banana cream and a chocolate cream pie that would make a grown man weep. In fact, I'm weeping right now.

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                            WildSwede Sep 19, 2013 10:52 AM

                            Agreed!

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                              tastycakes Oct 3, 2013 11:55 AM

                              yes! i second the pies there, i'm a baker and it's one of the only places i'd go back to. the coconut cream and berry pies were excellent. decent diner style food too.

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                              bringiton Sep 13, 2013 02:54 PM

                              Nothing tops the cocoanut meringue pie at Pie N Burger in Pasadena. Cocoanut cream filling, with a light meringue topping with toasted cocoanut on top.

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                                kevin Sep 13, 2013 02:59 PM

                                But you have to first request them to scrape of the meringue and top it with fresh whipped cream. At least for me.

                                I've never been a fan of meringue.

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                                  rmarisco Sep 19, 2013 05:33 PM

                                  +1 on that.
                                  meringue: ugh.

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                                  WildSwede Sep 19, 2013 10:53 AM

                                  When I read the question - I first thought of PNB and then Four n Twenty. Both of which have already been mentioned! The coconut cream at PNB knocks my socks off! They also have a very good strawberry cake FWIW.

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                                  revets2 Sep 13, 2013 02:05 PM

                                  Love the cream pies at Apple Pan, but am partial to the boysenberry cream pie which is only served in season and certain days. Call first.

                                  For banana cream pie, the brownie banana cream pie at Babalu is all world.

                                  Have never had a slice of pie at Pie n' Burger, despite it's name, that I loved. Too sweet, super liberal with the corn starch and a few too many artificial ingredients for me. Good crust though.

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                                    jessejames Sep 13, 2013 02:54 PM

                                    damn good pie i agree

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                                      Galen Sep 18, 2013 02:02 PM

                                      Boysenberry's my favorite too. Picked one up a few days ago. It was a lil' off. Too sweet. Missing the tartness of the berries. Hope it's a one time fluke.

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                                        revets2 Sep 18, 2013 04:03 PM

                                        Yikes!

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                                        Dave Feldman Oct 2, 2013 09:52 AM

                                        Have you ever had the fresh peach pie at PnB? Nothing artificial. And probably the best pie I've ever eaten. Let's put it this way: I'm allergic to fresh peaches and I eat it willingly.

                                        I wrote about having to scrape off the meringue from PnB's banana cream pie on the first month of Chowhound's existence. My family served PnB banana cream pies for all of our birthdays, and couldn't get the original baker to make whole pies with whipped cream (in those days, PnB had 2 locations, but the policy was the same in the downtown store). She made it with meringue and then scraped it off. I still think she was nuts, but admire her integrity.

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                                          kevin Oct 2, 2013 11:43 AM

                                          Wow, damn, I must have been posting on this site back then too.

                                          Because I rememember someone introducing me to wiping offf the meringue from a slab of pie and then having them add whipped cream to it.

                                          thanks.

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                                            Servorg Oct 2, 2013 11:48 AM

                                            Forget that "dollop" of whipped cream and make mine a "wallop" of the stuff! (g) And I had to do a delivery for my wife's business last night and actually stopped in to Bandera and ordered food to go, including a piece of their banana cream pie. Still absolutely delicious.

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                                              kevin Oct 2, 2013 11:51 AM

                                              shoot, i haven't been to Bandera in a while, i thought it went downhill (for some reason, i thought there were a lot of downhills posts, i could be wrong).

                                              anyhow, what do you get there ???

                                              last time there a felt slighty fleeced since i dropped like 75 or more for one dish, a dessert, and one drink. it was non-chain prices at a chain (though hillstone group is not one's ordinary chain).

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                                                Servorg Oct 2, 2013 11:57 AM

                                                I had the prime rib dip with fries. Fucking fantastic (channeling my inner kevin) and my wife had the cheese burger with fries, which is enormous. With the pie included the tab was $54.50.

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                                                  kevin Oct 2, 2013 11:59 AM

                                                  seafood or fish dishes any decent ???

                                                  yeah, if you grab a burger, prolly 13 bucks, and a french dip, prolly 17 to 18 bucks, you should be OK as far as the tab is concerned.

                                                  hmm, maybe i'll give another whirl. i do like the refined cocktail lounge style atmo there though.

                                                  I'm only allowed to say Fuck on these here fucking boards but if you are channeling me then go right ahead.

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                                                    jessejames Oct 2, 2013 12:07 PM

                                                    the prime rib sandwich at the local one here, south beverly grill, is now north of 20.00...it's a good sandwich but would i rather have two of servorg's patty melts instead -- fuck yes (maybe not in one sitting). And i think i am catching on to why you guys all like panns so much, and i did enjoy another melt (rare) while picking up at LAX yesterday -- they are extremely nice people and that always makes the food taste better....just like my pathetic attempts in the kitchen i hope...

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                                                      kevin Oct 2, 2013 12:10 PM

                                                      Pann's is quite sui generis in the current diner landscape where the deluge of mom and pop restaurants of an earlier era have filtered out and superseded by Denny's, Norm's, et al.

                                                      The Googie-style architecture of Pann's, straight out of the 1950s, and the homespun eats, not to mention the exceptional service keep me coming back.

                                                      Only the prices are quite the deterrent.

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                                                        Servorg Oct 2, 2013 12:15 PM

                                                        I just pulled the receipt out of my wallet to look at it. $22 for the prime rib dip and $18 for the cheeseburger. BCP was $10. They give you two paper bags with enough fries to satisfy even the biggest of appetites. The bar scene in there was hopping.

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                                                          kevin Oct 2, 2013 12:22 PM

                                                          What day of the week did you go ?

                                                          Yeah, I'll take advantage of that bar scene.

                                                          Damn, then the prices have gone up, seriously. (you must have gone very recently). (i haven't been in at least a year and a half, and then last time i went to a hillstone was probably gulfstream about two months ago).

                                                          It used to be within the low teens for a cheeseburger and the high teens for the french dip.

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                                                            Servorg Oct 2, 2013 12:24 PM

                                                            Recently? Yeah, last night.

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                                                              kevin Oct 2, 2013 12:28 PM

                                                              I skimmed through you initial post and missed it, which I often do.

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                                                Dave Feldman Oct 2, 2013 08:20 PM

                                                If you are the same Kevin, I think you used to go to Comdex and ask for advice on the Southwest board. I actually just went to the Wayback Machine to see if the very earliest days of Chowhound were archived there -- not quite. But there were some back and forths with "kevin" and I about Lotus of Siam in 1990/1991 time frame. And lots of discussion and debate about the relative merits of Pie 'n Burger and Apple Pan even then on the L.A. board.

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                                            FED Sep 13, 2013 02:00 PM

                                            bake 'n' broil in long beach.

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                                              Professor Salt Sep 14, 2013 10:09 AM

                                              ^ ^ This ^ ^

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                                                Ernie Oct 3, 2013 02:25 PM

                                                Yes, the banana cream pie at Bake n'Broil is the best by far. Super fresh and delicious

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                                                  FED Oct 3, 2013 02:26 PM

                                                  i'm glad there are two learned eaters who agree with me, amongst all this pnb and ap nonsense. bravo to us!

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                                                    Ernie Oct 3, 2013 02:28 PM

                                                    Pie N Burger's and Apple Pan's pies are totally overrated, especially compared to Bake 'n Broil's

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                                                      bulavinaka Oct 3, 2013 03:52 PM

                                                      I felt the same about B&B being overrated. Maybe expectations were too high but I wasn't impressed. It's good but not great. Being that their pies didn't blow me away and Long Beach is a haul from rhe Westside, AP is the place for me.

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                                                        Ernie Oct 3, 2013 04:04 PM

                                                        Don't get me wrong, AP pies are good, but all the pies I have tried at B&B have been uniformly excellent. In particular B&B's banana cream, cherry, and apricot pies are head and shoulders above the others

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                                                          kevin Oct 3, 2013 04:16 PM

                                                          Have you tried the Peanut Butter Cup cream pie ????

                                                          I don't think they usually offer it.

                                                          But Jonegawaard's Bake and Broil is good. But for me, the West LA-adjacent Pan might be much better.

                                                          And I do agree with Bula it is quite the drive, unless I'm already in the LBC for other purposes.

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                                                            Ernie Oct 3, 2013 05:39 PM

                                                            No, I have not tried that one but I am not a fan of Peanut Butter cups

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                                                            bulavinaka Oct 3, 2013 04:45 PM

                                                            banana cream pie was good. strawberry pie while stacked high with strawberries was so-so. will have to try those pies that you mentioned if I get down that way again - thanks.

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                                                              Ernie Oct 3, 2013 05:41 PM

                                                              The apricot is my personal favorite at B&B. Granted, I'm not a big strawberry pie fan as most places just dump a bunch of strawberries on a pie crust and put glaze on it. I prefer pies that are either baked or have a litte more going on top

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                                                                bulavinaka Oct 3, 2013 06:05 PM

                                                                My son's favorite pastries are with apricots. I'm guessing the apricot pie is offered seasonally?

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                                                                  Ernie Oct 3, 2013 06:27 PM

                                                                  I have enjoyed B&B's apricot pie year-round, so I am guessing they used canned apricots. However, don't let that prevent you from trying it – it is truly delicious with a perfect balance of sweet and tart

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                                                                  FED Oct 4, 2013 12:56 PM

                                                                  strawberry shortcake > than strawberry pie at BNB. they also make a walnut spice pie that is killer. but, i do see why some could be disappointed. you have to take it in context -- it's my neighborhood coffee shop (with the best $3 pies on the planet). Worth a drive from the west side? probably not, unless you were going to be in long beach anyway. OTOH, if I'm driving from Long Beach to the Westside (or Pasadena), there are many places i'll go before apple pan or pie 'n' burger.

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                                                                    bulavinaka Oct 4, 2013 04:02 PM

                                                                    Where are these places that supercede AP for banana cream pie in the Westside?

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                                                                      Ernie Oct 4, 2013 06:07 PM

                                                                      The banana cream pie at Bandera in WLA is pretty stellar

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                                                                        Servorg Oct 4, 2013 06:20 PM

                                                                        I mentioned Bandera and their BCP up thread. And then I got to thinking about it and then went and got food from there just so I could get another slice of their BCP. Pricy ($10) but delicious.

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                                                    krick Sep 13, 2013 11:05 AM

                                                    I always say Apple Pan for banana cream pie, but I just had it again 2 days ago for the first time in well over and. . .it's still the best damn banana cream pie in LA one of the best I've had anywhere.

                                                    The coconut cream pie there is also very good and one of the best I've had in LA, but it falls far short of the best coconut cream pies I've had outside of LA.

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                                                      JudiAU Sep 6, 2013 09:04 PM

                                                      The banana cream pie at Clementine is out of your way but really, really good. They make their own graham crackers.

                                                      (Obligatory curse to the the NYT for not printing that portion of the recipe years ago.)

                                                      1. Servorg Sep 6, 2013 10:08 AM

                                                        One other thought. I am really a big fan (perhaps from being too big of a fan?) of the banana cream pie http://www.hillstone.com/pdf_menus/bandera/Bandera_Brentwood.pdf at Bandera http://www.hillstone.com/#/restaurant... restaurant in Brentwood. They add chopped chocolate to the pie and it really makes the taste go zing in a good way for me.

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                                                          SMBeetle Sep 7, 2013 02:26 PM

                                                          Yeah, the banana cream pie at Bandera is a lot better than Apple Pan's. Not only because of the dark chocolate, but the crust is much thicker.

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                                                            CastironJim Sep 14, 2013 09:52 AM

                                                            I recently tried the banana cream pie at Bandera. I liked the crust and the bits of chocolate, but the custard filling was thin and not at all special.

                                                        2. PeterCC Sep 6, 2013 09:50 AM

                                                          How about Polly's?

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                                                            Juji Sep 6, 2013 09:48 AM

                                                            I had really tasty banana cream pie at Paul Martin's American Grill in El Segundo

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                                                              maudies5 Sep 5, 2013 08:33 PM

                                                              Apple Pan !

                                                              1. ipsedixit Sep 5, 2013 07:50 PM

                                                                Pie N Burger

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                                                                  jgilbert1000 Sep 6, 2013 02:17 PM

                                                                  +1 for PnB.

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                                                                    kevin Sep 6, 2013 02:19 PM

                                                                    But the adage does apply that you have to wipe off the meringue and then having them add the fresh whipped cream to the mix.

                                                                    Sadly, Pie N Burger does not officially make cream pies with whipped cream instead they top it with meringue.

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                                                                      linus Sep 6, 2013 03:24 PM

                                                                      hmmm...does "cream pie" refer to a pie with cream on top, or to a pie with a creamy interior?

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                                                                        kevin Sep 6, 2013 03:31 PM

                                                                        You have a point there.

                                                                        Hmmm, although for the Pan and Pie N Burger pies the interior was more custardy rather than creamy.

                                                                        Though the ones at Phillipe's were whipped cream on top and whipped cream in the interior. Yet, I'm not a fan of phillipe's whipped cream, which tastes like the cheap and not so good stuff you'd get at Coco's.

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                                                                          bringiton Sep 19, 2013 04:33 PM

                                                                          I always thought it applied to the filling. Regardless, if you are a fan of coconut cream pie, you should try PnB's version. I prefer it to Apple Pan, but YMMV. I live close to Apple Pan so the drive to PnB is pretty substantial, but I think PnB's version rocks!

                                                                  2. PeterCC Sep 5, 2013 05:38 PM

                                                                    I like the cream pies at Philippe's.

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                                                                      Mr Taster Sep 5, 2013 08:32 PM

                                                                      I like the cream pies at Philippes also, especially for the price.

                                                                      But while I can't abide the insane price gouging at The Apple Pan, their banana cream pie is worth every extortionary penny. They're really leaps beyond Philippes version.

                                                                      Mr Taster

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                                                                        ipsedixit Sep 5, 2013 08:39 PM

                                                                        They're really leaps beyond Philippes version.
                                                                        ____________

                                                                        So is the price.

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                                                                          LuluTheMagnificent Sep 7, 2013 07:51 AM

                                                                          how much is it?

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                                                                            Servorg Sep 7, 2013 08:59 AM

                                                                            Last time I had it the price was $5.75 for a slice. I never feel ripped off though. It's just too good.

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                                                                              kevin Sep 7, 2013 12:48 PM

                                                                              Apple pan is at least 6.25 per slice of the cream pies.

                                                                    2. A5 KOBE Sep 5, 2013 05:07 PM

                                                                      Definitely check out Magnolia. The crust they make is amazing, graham cracker I think.

                                                                      1. Servorg Sep 5, 2013 03:20 PM

                                                                        Apple Pan in WLA for Banana Cream

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                                                                          wienermobile Sep 5, 2013 03:22 PM

                                                                          ..and here's what a slice looks like

                                                                           
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                                                                            kevin Sep 5, 2013 04:38 PM

                                                                            For me, Apple Pan has both.

                                                                            And the Pan's beautiful fucking coconut cream pie is my all time favorite.

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                                                                              wienermobile Sep 5, 2013 04:44 PM

                                                                              Apple Pan Coconut cream...

                                                                               
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                                                                                rmarisco Sep 19, 2013 05:31 PM

                                                                                picture = 1,000 words.

                                                                                i'm there. looks like a little slice of heaven to me!

                                                                        2. wienermobile Sep 5, 2013 03:19 PM

                                                                          Banana Cream at The Apple Pan.

                                                                          And here's an older link on the same topic:
                                                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/575217

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                                                                            bringiton Sep 13, 2013 02:54 PM

                                                                            I've never been a fan of the crust at Apple Pan.

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