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Firegoat Sep 5, 2013 06:58 AM

Well it was no surprise that Krissi was going to leave before the final 2. She'd kind of hit the end of the usefulness for her edit. Not surprised Jessie followed her out the door after calling her a cow. Pretty much the first bad edit Jessie has picked up so far.

A Luca/Natasha final two seems pretty reasonable. I think Natasha is the better cook, but Luca has the better back story.

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    breadchick Sep 8, 2013 10:08 AM

    I've heard the term "cow" used most often in British tv shows and movies. I think it's a generic insult, not relating to a person's size, however, I can't tell what was in Jessie's head when she said it.

    Krissi's behavior was appalling because she kept making these violent comments which is unacceptable. She needs a couple classes in anger management.

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    1. re: breadchick
      chowser Sep 8, 2013 10:37 AM

      Me, too. I've heard cow used often, not as size comment but as a derogatory term for a woman.

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        ennuisans Sep 8, 2013 10:42 AM

        Often out of Ramsey's mouth, if on another show.

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          mcf Sep 8, 2013 11:21 AM

          But he's a sexist pig, so you'd expect that, right? He sure didn't use it in sizing up Jessie. But as a producer, he happily left it in twice in reference to Krissi.

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            Chatsworth Sep 8, 2013 10:23 PM

            And pig is somehow now preferable to bitch or cow?

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              mcf Sep 9, 2013 07:04 AM

              Sorry I left off the smiley for the irony impaired. Here: ;-)

        2. re: chowser
          mcf Sep 8, 2013 11:20 AM

          I've never observed it to be used to describe a svelte, elegant woman. Not in the U.S. anyway.

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          mcf Sep 8, 2013 11:34 AM

          Whatever was in her head, she's not British. I think she was making a comment on Krissi's size, as if that was the biggest thing wrong with her.

          With so much else to find fault with, she defaulted to humiliating someone for her weight.

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            breadchick Sep 8, 2013 07:32 PM

            Could be. Which is why I didn't assume she was just tossing off a cliché and may have referred to the body size issue.

            Still doesn't make it right, but I was glad someone was pushing back at Krissi.

            I think I'd have rather have them throw her words back at her, but then that would have doubled down on the crap.

            1. re: mcf
              sockii Sep 8, 2013 07:56 PM

              Cow is sometimes used as an insult in the "hardcore childfree" community as an insult against "breeders" (ie, anyone who has dared to procreate or even ever hoped to have children.)

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                mcf Sep 9, 2013 07:06 AM

                Thankfully, I've never encountered such folks.

          2. Cheese Boy Sep 7, 2013 10:38 PM

            If I were judging based on gams, then I guess Natasha would win. If I were judging based on personality and likability, then Luca would win. Both these contestants can cook, but they've both had their flaws. The Masterchef winner will ultimately be decided based on their *final* cooking performance. The best performer (likely alongside their best dish) will win. We shall see who has saved the best for last.

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              Worldwide Diner Sep 7, 2013 06:02 AM

              I don't know if Luca is genuinely a nice guy or he just plays one on TV. Either way, it's smart because he's in the business and more people will be drawn to his establishment as a result.

              Natasha should win though unless the result is rigged in favor of Luca. All past winners have been underdogs so I that bodes well for Luca.

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              1. re: Worldwide Diner
                chowser Sep 7, 2013 10:04 AM

                Yeah, he does come off as a nice person with a conscience. As he said he could have not shared his butter but he has to live with himself tomorrow. And, if Jessie had played it right and plated better, he would have gone home so it could have been his undoing, just as it was w/ Natasha and the garlic for the Vietnamese broth. Which also brings up the other thought--had he not shared his garlic, she probably would have gone home in that challenge because it was so close between her and Krissi. That decision could cost him the win.

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                cheesemonger Sep 6, 2013 04:03 PM

                Thoughts:

                1) Krissi is a hose-beast. Were her feuds all with the women? She had epic, nasty battles with Bri, Natasha, Jessie.... I don't recall her making threats to smash hot pans in the male contestant's faces. I don't care if it is editing, she said some absolutely horrible things. I'm somewhat surprised she wasn't tossed for her tantrums, she should have been.

                2) Grana Padano is NOT the king of italian cheeses. It just has a lot of marketing money.

                3) After watching Masterchef UK, where the focus is food, technique and talent in a calm and mentoring environment, the US version's manufactured drama and BS makes this show so embarrassing to watch (but obviously I'm watching it).

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                1. re: cheesemonger
                  hal2010 Sep 6, 2013 07:18 PM

                  I thought they called Grana Padano the king of ALL cheeses. Sorry, not even close. Roquefort, Stilton, Camembert, Brie de Meaux etc.

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                    cayjohan Sep 6, 2013 09:17 PM

                    Grana Padano is highlighted on Lidia Bastianich's show. Just sayin'.

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                      cheesemonger Sep 7, 2013 01:30 PM

                      yep, or rather GP sponsors her show....

                      And you're right hal- the king of all cheeses, my foot!

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                        Cheese Boy Sep 7, 2013 10:20 PM

                        Reggiano beats GP any day.

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                    C. Hamster Sep 7, 2013 02:04 PM

                    The Grana Padano exhaltation was laffable.

                    As was Joe's suggestion to braise filet of beef in another episode

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                      giulialatini1 Sep 14, 2013 01:15 PM

                      Grana Padano CAN be the king of Italian cheeses. But

                      1) They keep the good stuff there and send the rest out to other countries (I've noticed it's mostly rinds here in the US.... where's the rest of it?!):
                      2) It depends on the year (the quality of the cheese directly reflects what the cows ate that year, the time of year the milk was gathered, the weather, the aging and location of the round, etc.).
                      3) Grana Padano can be superior to Parmigiano Reggiano and visa versa, depending on 2)... for both of them.
                      I lived in Milan for 30 years and worked as account executive with a large ad agency and my client was Parmigiano Reggiano.... so I got to taste a lot of both. My ex-husbands family make Grana Padano also (from cows to cheese, the whole shebang).

                    2. mcf Sep 6, 2013 04:02 PM

                      She called her a cow twice. Disgusting.

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                        Worldwide Diner Sep 6, 2013 07:21 PM

                        Cow is worse than b!tch?

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                          mcf Sep 7, 2013 06:16 AM

                          Yeah, it's not as generic, and it's direct hit. Your inferences may differ.

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                            Worldwide Diner Sep 7, 2013 10:19 AM

                            Since I've been referring to Krissi as the troll, you can imagine that cow is rather complimentary in my book.

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                              chowser Sep 7, 2013 10:42 AM

                              I tried to give Krissi the benefit of the doubt in the beginning but was bending over too much to do so. Any adult who would brag about beating up a type of person in high school and think it was funny isn't worth it. The thing is she doesn't intentionally try to be mean. She just is and doesn't even realize it. If you can't get along with someone like Luca...

                          2. re: Worldwide Diner
                            C. Hamster Sep 7, 2013 02:02 PM

                            I'm with WwDiner .

                            Krissi was a thug. Calling her a cow was restrained.

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                              mcf Sep 8, 2013 07:14 AM

                              I don't find it takes restraint to avoid calling any human being an animal name.

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                                chowser Sep 8, 2013 09:51 AM

                                That would also include bitch, which is also mysogynistic, imo. Both are terrible, classless, but one will be bleeped out, the other not.

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                                  mcf Sep 8, 2013 09:56 AM

                                  As a feminist for decades, I don't use it that way nor do I see it that way.

                                  I think we've co-opted its use enough to have neutralized anyone's attempt to use it as hate speech.

                                  Just color me classless, along with pretty much all my female friends.

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                                    chowser Sep 8, 2013 10:35 AM

                                    I refrain from that type of name calling, especially hate speech based ones, regardless of how neutralized some people might feel it is. I can't speak for all intentions but often hear people use phrases that sound almost like self-hatred. It's a derogatory word for women, not men. As you said, I don't find it takes restraint to avoid calling any human being an animal name. Unless we use cow enough to neutralize it?

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                                      mcf Sep 8, 2013 11:17 AM

                                      We differ in our inferences. Language changes, but imagery, not so much.

                                      My policy is that I don't name call in anger, only in jest, and the more non PC or filthy, the better.

                                      Your mileage may vary.

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                                        chowser Sep 8, 2013 01:22 PM

                                        "My policy is that I don't name call in anger, only in jest, and the more non PC or filthy, the better."

                                        About the same policy for me in that name calling in anger isn't good. That means any name, whether it's bitch or cow. Actually, I think the bitch was used in anger and in being derogatory. The cow was used in being derogatory out of frustration (or at least what was shown was, who knows what else might have been said off camera). I didn't care for either but that's why I'd be the most boring reality TV person ever.

                                        1. re: chowser
                                          mcf Sep 8, 2013 01:45 PM

                                          Oh, I see it differently; I think Jessie is a sort of prissie, entitled type who thinks she's slim and pretty as an achievement rather than dumb luck and she took the dirtiest below the belt shot she could. More than once. She seemed cheerful about it, not exactly out of sorts and frustrated. Kind if Junior League vs. the unwashed: "How *dare* she be equal to me on this stage?"

                                          And yes, I truly despise name calling that is intended to hurt and humiliate, rather than cause a bit of shock followed by laughter. And yes, I mean any name, but I still think "cow" had an especially despicable connotation in this context.

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                              cheesemonger Sep 7, 2013 08:46 PM

                              Calling her a cow was an insult to cows.

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                                Cheese Boy Sep 7, 2013 10:18 PM

                                A complete and udder insult to cows and cheese lovers.

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                                Firegoat Sep 8, 2013 07:26 AM

                                I feel like bitch refers to how a person is behaving. I feel like Cow refers to a person's appearance. It isn't a show about appearance, and Jessie is a very lovely lady and doesn't need to make fat jabs.

                                1. re: Firegoat
                                  mcf Sep 8, 2013 07:39 AM

                                  Seriously. There's plenty to be said about Krissi's behavior in descriptive terms that's scathing enough. Folks who call people names like "cow' are only making strong commentary about their own failings.

                              3. re: mcf
                                sockii Sep 8, 2013 07:54 PM

                                Beyond calling her "cow" Jessie called Krissi (as I recall on not just one but twice viewing) the "thing".

                                Cow was bad enough. Referring to another human being as a "thing"? Well that was beyond classless into just flatly horrid. And I am NO Krissi fan, either, but after the "thing" comment I couldn't wait to see Jessie gone.

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                                DGresh Sep 6, 2013 11:37 AM

                                I thought that Natasha's redo of her original dish (the empanadas) looked phenomenally silly. Sprinkles of food around the plate, some encircled by sauce, some with dots of sauce. Silly silly plating. But I guess that's Joe's idea of "restaurant quality".

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                                1. re: DGresh
                                  cayjohan Sep 6, 2013 12:01 PM

                                  I so agree. Am I remembering correctly that they used to ding the cooks for putting silly style over substance? Now, I like an attractive plate of food, but some of these little artworks go too far off the rails for me.

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                                    DGresh Sep 6, 2013 12:33 PM

                                    I wish I had a buck for every time either Joe, or the contestants, said "elevate the food". No one ever seems to define exactly what they mean by that, other than saying "work on my flavor profile"

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                                      cayjohan Sep 6, 2013 12:56 PM

                                      "Elevate the food" just makes me want to lift up my plate to see if anything weird is going on underneath. I think it's largely a meaningless term to me, but I can see that the limits of language sometimes create such terms. But still: I'd like to share in that buck-per-use pool with ya.

                                      You made me laugh about Natasha's re-do plate. My daughter made this painting when she was six years old. I love it for what it is, but I'd laugh (not in a good way) if I saw it on my "restaurant quality" dinner plate. When the empanadas came out on the last episode, my husband and I turned to each other in unison and clinked glasses. "Another Z__ painting!"

                                       
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                                        madeliner Sep 6, 2013 04:18 PM

                                        Funny post!

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                                      DGresh Sep 6, 2013 03:56 PM

                                      If someone is going to take the trouble to make a sauce to accompany another element on the plate, I expect enough of it to put on a fork with each bite. Why chefs think it's a good idea to do the "skidmark" swoosh of a sauce is beyond me. What is the point? Same with little dabs and dots of sauce. Why? If the sauce belongs with the thing it's going with, put (enough of) the damn sauce under the item and be done with it.

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                                        cayjohan Sep 6, 2013 04:08 PM

                                        Amen.

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                                      melpy Sep 6, 2013 12:44 PM

                                      The original empanada dish was plated so much better. Sometimes the words "restaurant quality" just tank a challenge.

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                                        C. Hamster Sep 6, 2013 12:45 PM

                                        And her sauce had the electric glow of Three Mile Island.

                                        It seemed clownish to me.

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                                        seamunky Sep 6, 2013 10:12 AM

                                        Jessie had to go. They already had a pretty young Southern girl win in Season 1. They need a nice Italian boy for a book about inspiration from his Mamma and Nonna. Otherwise, how else are they going to offer a diverse collection of Masterchef cookbooks (or Limited Edition boxed set just in time for the holidays!)

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                                        1. re: seamunky
                                          cayjohan Sep 6, 2013 10:55 AM

                                          Good point in re Jessie. I never found anything remotely unlikeable about her (excepting the cow comment), but I never found anything particularly likeable about her either. As someone else mentioned, Luca's backstory is pretty good from a marketability standpoint. Add to that the fact that he had auditioned for the previous season and not made the cut, but came back to make it to the final - well, that stick-to-it-ive-ness can really resonate with a potential audience depending upon how it's spun. I've never purchased a MasterChef cookbook, but I might be tempted if it's Luca's.

                                        2. sockii Sep 6, 2013 07:46 AM

                                          With a Luca/Natasha finale, it seems almost a given Luca is the winner.

                                          Natasha might be the better cook, but who would buy her cookbook? She's been so unlikable in the editing since day one. And I doubt she would have been getting into a comment war on Ben Starr's blog if she was the winner.

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                                          1. re: sockii
                                            Firegoat Sep 6, 2013 08:19 AM

                                            I know there is a lot of editing monkeyness afott on this show. I doubt how much Krissi's "walk off" was a walk off and not just an exit to go get more equipment in the pantry.

                                            However, again they can't work with anything you don't give them. Ijust think Luca has been genuinely nice (or at least edited that way) the whole game. (Jessie was, til last night, so you can never tell).

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                                            madeliner Sep 5, 2013 07:54 PM

                                            Luca for the win, he has great personality and energy.

                                            I can see him going quite far-book and tv program definitely.

                                            1. hal2010 Sep 5, 2013 07:39 PM

                                              As happens with many UK imports, this show has forgotten it's a cooking contest and is all about advertising and manufactured drama. It's lost its appeal for me

                                              1. LindaWhit Sep 5, 2013 06:45 PM

                                                I was floored at Jessie calling Krissi a cow - twice. Krissi was a complete beeyotch when she up and left the kitchen with just a few minutes left, essentially leaving Jessie all alone.

                                                Not surprised at Natasha making it to the finale. While I didn't like her earlier in the season, she has always put up some really good looking dishes.

                                                As for Luca, I guess I'm not as much of a fan of him as others are. I think he should have been eliminated a little while back.

                                                There have been three female winners and three male runners-up; will there be a fourth for both genders?

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                                                1. re: LindaWhit
                                                  C. Hamster Sep 6, 2013 08:26 AM

                                                  I would have called her a "Stupid Cow."

                                                2. cayjohan Sep 5, 2013 02:14 PM

                                                  Another one for Luca here. His geniality and willingness to learn from mistakes (um, except for angling for the cheese, when it was a cheese sauce that put him in the rear position, but, oh well) puts him head and shoulders above the manufactured drama. And if you want a genial and approachable character for the cookbook author you need to market? Well, that'd be Luca, for me.

                                                  That said, even though I've reacted as negatively as I *should* have to Natasha's editing throughout the season (wasn't she the one who made note of being "the pretty one" or something like that, early on...that sort of hubris galls me a wee bit) she puts out some nice food, according to the judges - and her editing has become a little more sympathetic (as I think it has for all in the final few). I think it will be a pretty fair final matchup, really, with Luca's personality giving him the edge from where I'm sitting.

                                                  1. chowser Sep 5, 2013 01:51 PM

                                                    Luca is set up as the nice guy underdog. I'm pulling for him for his willingness to help others. If not for Luca, Natasha would have gone home in the Vietnamese broth challenge but she wasn't willing to do the same for Jessie. I would have liked to see Jessie in w/ Luca. I don't know what it is about her, maybe because she's so darn cute. Krissi was there for the drama. She could function in her narrow comfort zone, at best.

                                                    1. C. Hamster Sep 5, 2013 10:37 AM

                                                      Could Krissi have been more of a thuggish boor in this episode?

                                                      She could have cooked like Jacques Pepin and they still would have had to boot her. A winner like her would have seriously croaked the whole show.

                                                      And personally, though I love it, I dont think grana padano is the Kobe beef of cheeses...

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                                                        pine time Sep 5, 2013 07:33 AM

                                                        I'd like to see Luca win. His joie de vivre is infectious, which has been sorely lacking in the other contenders this season.

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