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NON Trendy Restaurants Paris PLEASE!

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margaretsway Sep 4, 2013 02:01 PM

NOT Frenchie, Septime, Bones and the like...
good restaurants, great food with NO foam! Is that possible these
days in France. Money is not an issue... Places like Le Duc, that never go out of style.
Must take reservations, need 10 days!

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    ScottnZelda Sep 17, 2013 06:50 AM

    Has anyone recco'd Carre des Feuillants? I haven't been in a few years, but loved it for lunch.

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      PBSF Sep 17, 2013 08:16 AM

      We've been a fan of Alain Dutournier for years, way back when he was cooking at Au Trou Gascon . Had the 60 euro lunch at Carre earlier this year. Two of us choose each of the entrees and plats: rouget/ris de veau, cod/loin of lamb, cheese/poached peach for dessert. Since I don't drink alcohol, only my partner took the tasting menu with wine, bottle water and coffee, generous pour and they comped the water and coffee for me. Very good solid cooking, not overly inventive nor a lot of flourish like Le Cinq, just an enjoyable Parisian lunch. And as always, the staff was warm and friendly. Definitely in the 'non trendy' category.

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      lemarais Sep 6, 2013 09:11 AM

      I defer to Parnassien on the bulk of the list here, but I just wanted to mention one of our faves, Robert et Louise, in the 4th. A longtime family establishment, very non-trendy, and specializing in Cote de boeuf in cooked on a special hearth-type oven. Always have fun and a great meal here.

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        margaretsway Sep 6, 2013 11:36 AM

        thanks, have not been to Robert & Louise in years..will go back
        but I think is not good for a party of 6? It used to be veeery small. But yes, that open fire and the ambience are great.

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          lemarais Sep 7, 2013 09:08 AM

          They have a large table for 6-8 on the main level near the hearth. But make a reservation for it.

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            margaretsway Sep 7, 2013 09:09 AM

            YES, indeed it is already on the list.
            Thanks

      2. Parnassien Sep 4, 2013 03:22 PM

        You have l'embarras du choix. Can you give us a little more guidance? i.e. budget, quartier, favourite classic dishes, vibe, etc

        Let's start off with Chez Denise, Au Vieux Chêne, Au Vieux Comptoir, Le Voltaire, Au Bon Coin, La Mascotte, Le Petit Pascal, Au Petit Sud-Ouest, Le Repaire de Cartouche, Le Petit Marguey, Le Templier, La Rotonde, La Cerisaie, Le Petit Verdot, L'Opportun, Le Relais Louis XIII, Laurent, La Ferrandaise, Chaumette, l'Ami Louis, Le Quincy, Jeu de Quilles, La Cuisine de Philippe, Bistro de l'Alycastre, etc etc etc etc. But I doubt if a long, long list is all that helpful.

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          margaretsway Sep 4, 2013 03:52 PM

          NOW you are speaking to me!!!..L'Ami Louis is now only for that fabulous room...my last poulet was unedible...I will go through your list
          Chez Denise..been wanting to go...I will check out the others
          I am thinking for seafood Dominique Bouchet..have you been to 21 Rue Mazarine...also Fish? No budget..just reservations (for 6 people) and good food that has not spent too much time in the cuisinart! Thanks!

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            Parnassien Sep 4, 2013 04:19 PM

            I like Dominique Bouchet a lot... you can get a totally trad meal if you choose well... but there are some modern twists and flourishes in some of his dishes... and I tend to like his meats more than his seafood.

            Le 21 is indeed very good... but the menu, now a bit short of the trad dishes, is veering towards the modern... very chic and sleek clientèle

            Fish la Boissonnerie (which doesn't really do seafood) is less good and less enjoyable since its recent re-do.

            There is a new-ish and very trendy resto called the Fish Club on the rue Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the 1st that might suit if your trad criterion can be softened... and not completely French... some Spanish- and Peruvian-inspired tapas and pinxos also available.

            For fab seafood in a sparkling trad (but re-polished) setting, Rech on the avenue des Ternes in the 17th... part of the Ducasse empire but the only Ducasse restaurant worth a visit.

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              margaretsway Sep 4, 2013 04:24 PM

              Uhmmm thanks for your Dom Bouchet review....I like a smaller spot will book there...leaning also towards Le 21, as I will beeating LUNCH everyday and I like my bread...Fish is not worth going out of your way for...BUT maybe they have changed! I will look into Fish Club, but I think that is Fish and chips...and I live in the USA, so I can get that here...
              Not sure I agree on Rech..but again I can go back..
              My four star may be Pre Catalan..unless you like others?

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                Parigi Sep 6, 2013 09:34 AM

                I'd add Chez Michel / Chez Casimir, with their Mother of All Cheese Platters.

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                  margaretsway Sep 6, 2013 10:15 AM

                  Thanks.. What 4 star for lunch? Gargaire, Pre Catalan not Savoy..
                  Thoughts? And do I go back to Spring?

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                    John Talbott Sep 6, 2013 10:42 AM

                    Just a minute.
                    Chez Michel / Chez Casimir, Ga[gn]rgaire, Pre Catalan, Savoy, Spring.
                    I thought the topic was "NON Trendy Restaurants".
                    But maybe I missed something.
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                      margaretsway Sep 6, 2013 11:30 AM

                      YES...non trendy to means...also the newer "styles of cooking al la Septime ( which I like)...but Spring has been open awhile...
                      and 4 Stars are well just that..also for the experience...the rest of my days I need
                      just good food.

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                        John Talbott Sep 6, 2013 11:38 AM

                        So I just put up a post on a bistro I think meets your criteria (ex-Noma, ex-Chateaubriand)- see http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/915899 and psst don't tell the New York Times.

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                          John Talbott Sep 6, 2013 11:40 AM

                          But you said "NOT Frenchie, Septime, Bones and the like.."
                          Sorry but I'm confused.

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                            PhilD Sep 6, 2013 09:04 PM

                            Michelin only goes to 3 stars....?

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                              margaretsway Sep 7, 2013 08:44 AM

                              Yes...I know it is my "play on words"...I just think of them
                              as 4 Stars...sounds better to me.

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                            Parigi Sep 7, 2013 10:38 AM

                            "Chez Michel / Chez Casimir"
                            I don't think it's trendy, sorriest.

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                              Delucacheesemonger Sep 7, 2013 11:25 AM

                              Chez Casimir trendy, who knew ?

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                                Parigi Sep 7, 2013 11:50 AM

                                Or maybe since you've been going, DCM…

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                                  Delucacheesemonger Sep 7, 2013 11:53 AM

                                  Ah yes, l keep forgetting this old fart is a trendsetter, LOL.

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                          jock Sep 7, 2013 12:38 PM

                          Casimir is very good but have you been to Michel lately? Last time there it bad enough both food and service that we wrote it off.

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                            Delucacheesemonger Sep 7, 2013 01:23 PM

                            Was supposed to go twice and things changed so never been.

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                              mangeur Sep 7, 2013 02:07 PM

                              re Michel: The service issue is not new. In fact, the kitchen/foh skirmishes were legendary. When we were there, the foh was so busy fighting with the kitchen and chattering among themselves that we had to request some items multiple times before we were brought them.

                              I thought the food was nothing more than ho-hum. One of those evenings you are glad to see come to a close.

                              It's a shame since I think that Thierry Breton is a good chef and his province under represented in Paris. At least his book works. But then, I now have to wonder who wrote it...

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                                Ptipois Sep 7, 2013 03:22 PM

                                Can't help you with this one.

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                          margaretsway Sep 4, 2013 04:28 PM

                          OK just checked out THE FISH CLUB... no you are going TRENDY on me....this place will be tooo HIP for me!...
                          the Peruvian twist nailed the coffin for me....
                          :)

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                            Parnassien Sep 4, 2013 04:34 PM

                            But it's foamless! :)

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                              ChefJune Sep 7, 2013 12:13 AM

                              We still love La Cagouille for fish.

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                                Parnassien Sep 7, 2013 09:01 AM

                                Given the OP's "money is not an issue" comment, let's add Marius et Janette on the avenue George V to the fish list... a plutocrat's delight... while there are some fussy "nouvelle"-ish preparations on the menu, the simple classic fish dishes are usually quite successful, especially the whole fish choices... and one of the best Mediterranean soupe de petits poissons in Paris.

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                                  Ptipois Sep 7, 2013 09:22 AM

                                  Exactly a ploutocrat's delight. And also one of the places where Bertrand Grébaut (Septime) got his training as a chef. And it is absolutely foodie-free, on top of that. I like Marius et Janette a lot, I'm not so keen on Le Bistrot de Marius nearby.

                                  Pardon my laziness but has D'Chez Eux been mentioned here? If there ever was a non-trendy restaurant in Paris, this is one.

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                                    margaretsway Sep 7, 2013 10:11 AM

                                    Agree on Marius & Janette,
                                    just plain always good. Will check out D'Chez Eux.
                                    thanks

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                                      Parnassien Sep 7, 2013 03:45 PM

                                      No it is we who forgot to mention D'Chez Eux who are lazy. And yes, one of the preferred restaurants of the 7th's more conservative residents and a menu that boasts of its devotion to tradition. Some of the habitués look like they have been preserved in aspic too. Maybe a little l'Ami Louis-ish but less caricatured, more authentically French (at least in terms of clientèle), and better cooking. Maybe a wee bit more enjoyable a decade ago before it changed hands but, judging from a meal there last winter with me gran, pas mal du tout !

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                                        margaretsway Sep 7, 2013 04:21 PM

                                        This is music to my ears...I love TRADITION..along with a tablecloth,conservative folks , and traditional French fare, this is all a girl from trendy
                                        Los Angeles can ask for. This is why I come to Paris!

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                                          Ptipois Sep 8, 2013 01:31 AM

                                          If that is why you come to Paris, I hope you get out of it and reach the regions, for that's where most of the traditions are preserved.

                                          One trip to Le Lion d'Or in Arcins, Médoc, and you'll be fulfilled beyond your expectations. It is the type of restaurant everyone believes has disappeared forever but has not (yet).

                                          On your way, you may stop at the Auberge de la Mère Castel in Saint-Gervais-d'Auvergne http://www.castel-hotel-1904.com/

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                                            margaretsway Sep 8, 2013 07:56 AM

                                            this sounds great...but I can only do a day trip outside PAris, this may be too far? I will take a look...anything you like closer in?

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                                              Ptipois Sep 8, 2013 08:36 AM

                                              No, this one is unique. But beyond the reach of a day trip. As for La Mère Castel, it is not worth going there if you're not going to stay in Auvergne for a few days.

                                              Closer in, you've got gems in the 'burbs!

                                              Try Le Coq de la Maison Blanche in Saint-Ouen, right at the Mairie de Saint-Ouen métro stop: Malakoff aux pralines, coq au vin, tête de veau. Or Le Pouilly-Reuilly in Le Pré-Saint-Gervais. I'm sure there's more, of which I have no idea.

                                              Edit to add: yes, Cazaudehore in Saint-Germain-en-Laye! And their baba au rhum. They leave the bottle of aged rum and a large silver spoon on the table after dousing your dessert, and then they look away while you sip the rum from the spoon.

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                                                mangeur Sep 8, 2013 08:41 AM

                                                Ought you start a new thread, Pti? These close in but out of city center gems need space of their own.

                                                Many thanks!

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                                                  Ptipois Sep 8, 2013 08:51 AM

                                                  No need to start a new thread IMO, just addressing the OP's desires. The idea is that if you really want non-trendy, you need to get out of the city, for here even the non-trendy is trendy to some extent (aside from a few landmarks mentioned above).

                                                  'Traditional' in Paris now means, more often than not, caricatural, overpriced tourist traps like L'Ami Louis or Le Quincy. Tradition used to be cheap and simple. Moderately trendy, reasonably-priced, feelgood places like Le Café des Musées are the new tradition.

                                                  My opinion is that, from an atmospheric point of view, there is no such thing as a banlieue around Paris. There is Paris and, past the Périphérique, non-Paris. The provinces and the suburbs are quite similar in the way that traditions will be quietly preserved there far longer than on the other side of the Périphérique. Le Coq de la Maison Blanche can wait a long time until Omnivore casts an eyelash on them, and it's a good thing.

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                                  laurentobias Sep 7, 2013 12:58 PM

                                  I'm enjoying this thread, headed to Paris in 2 weeks. Are any of the places mentioned particularly kid-friendly? He is well-behaved and goes to grown-up restaurants but I'd like to be sure we don't bring him to somewhere everyone thinks we're *those* Americans! Thanks!

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                              margaretsway Sep 4, 2013 02:31 PM

                              I have been there...
                              I could go back, you are close! Anything else?

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                                mangeur Sep 4, 2013 02:51 PM

                                L'Ami Louis? Probably another "been there, done that", tho.

                                Or Le Voltaire?

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                                  Parnassien Sep 4, 2013 03:35 PM

                                  Uh oh, the poster lists l'Ami Louis as one of her favourites in her profile. This will not end well. :)

                              2. mangeur Sep 4, 2013 02:12 PM

                                Is Josephine Chez Dumonet too popular for you? Just the classics, no frou frou.

                                Here is both a description and a list of more decent bistrots. I, personally, can't agree with Les Bistronomes, more for the unctuous service than the food.

                                http://www.theguardian.com/travel/201...

                                I would also, of course, scratch Frenchie.

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