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Fire at St Jacobs Market...

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pourboi Sep 2, 2013 05:27 AM

The main Market building was totally flattened by a fire last night. There is nothing left. Thankfully no one was injured.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/huge-fire-gu...

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    lagatta Sep 2, 2013 07:06 AM

    I was so sorry to read this. That is a lovely attraction of that part of Ontario.

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      magic Sep 2, 2013 07:20 AM

      Whoa. That is horrible. Whoa.

      1. PoppiYYZ Sep 2, 2013 07:45 AM

        The WHOLE main building ?!?!

        Hmmmm....

         
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          magic Sep 2, 2013 08:12 AM

          That is some fire. Yeesh.

          Uggh, so many memories and incredible eats. It was a gorgeous space too.

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            Nevy Sep 2, 2013 09:22 AM

            I'm really sad to see this as well. Though feel the market hasn't been as good recently, i too have Fond memories of this place. The apple fritters, smoked pork chops, honey comb, fresh donuts, and friendly people.

            This is a huge blow to the KW area

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          pourboi Sep 2, 2013 08:27 AM

          Imagine all of the vendors equipment that is lost let alone they now have no place to sell their product right when it is harvest season...

          I hope they will be able to recover. Not sure how insurance would work in this case... The market would have to have insurance on the building but the individual vendors would need to insure their own stalls and equipment I guess..

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            magic Sep 2, 2013 08:54 AM

            Can't even imagine how many livlihoods are affected by this.

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              prima Sep 2, 2013 09:11 AM

              https://m.facebook.com/story.php?stor...

            2. Kagemusha Sep 2, 2013 09:41 AM

              Tacky tourist trap.

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                PoppiYYZ Sep 2, 2013 09:51 AM

                Dude. Pretty harsh.

                and Tourist help pay the bills.

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                  Kagemusha Sep 2, 2013 10:02 AM

                  Really? Have a look at the G&M comments on their story for some background on the "market."

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                  Davwud Sep 2, 2013 10:41 AM

                  That may be so but it brought a lot of people to the area. A lot of people won't be able to go to work tomorrow or any time soon. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not important.

                  DT

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                    millygirl Sep 2, 2013 10:44 AM

                    Amen Davwud!

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                    kwfoodiewannabe Sep 2, 2013 03:41 PM

                    With few exceptions (apple fritters, the Tomato Man and recently Crazy Canucks for some tasty eats) I've never been particularly enamored with St. Jacob's. I agree that it is pretty "touristy", and don't go very often.

                    That being said, I can clearly empathize with those who's livelihoods have been affected. This will obviously have an impact on our local "weekend economy". Sad.

                  3. PoppiYYZ Sep 2, 2013 10:53 AM

                    "Sprinkler system could have saved building, fire chief says"

                    And the question is : where were you Fire Chief before the fire ? Clearly a building hosting hundreds / thousands of people should have had fire protection.

                    Imagine what the situation would have been if the fire started during a busy morning. Sheesh.

                    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchen...

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                      JDAWG Sep 2, 2013 01:13 PM

                      Changes to the fire code usually grandfather existing structures. I don't know how old the building was, but sprinklers were probably not required when it was built, whereas now they would be. It's purely up to the building owners to add them and it sounds like the Fire Chief had suggested it but they declined.

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                        pourboi Sep 2, 2013 02:07 PM

                        Building went up in the early 80s... lots of dry wood and greasy food in that place.. along with a lot of 30yo coolers and other electrical equipment. Because the place was so open concept it probably would not even have been that expensive to put sprinklers in... just run them along the beams.

                        Just so sad...

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                          LexiFirefly Sep 3, 2013 04:39 AM

                          For that size, even open concept, you would still be looking at 80-120k. Not saying they shouldn't be in there, but I doubt the premium would be that high. I'm just glad no one was hurt.

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                          PoppiYYZ Sep 3, 2013 04:28 AM

                          "It's purely up to the building owners to add them(sprinklers)"

                          It is also up to the Insurance companies. No sprinklers, no insurance (or at least bone crushing premiums). No excuses for a building hosting the public to be unprotected.

                          Sprinklers may not save a building, but it gives the occupants a better chance to get out.

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                            JDAWG Sep 3, 2013 09:46 PM

                            The building owners stated it was fully insured.

                            You can say no excuses, but you may be surprised that thousands of public buildings in Ontario don't have them. For example it only became mandatory for nursing/seniors homes to have them in 2001 and all existing ones were grandfathered. Only this year did the law mandate all nursing homes install them, and they still have until 2020 to do that.

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                        millygirl Sep 3, 2013 05:21 AM

                        I understand the outdoor portion will reopen this week.

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                          Kagemusha Sep 3, 2013 05:40 AM

                          The parking lot didn't burn down. After everyone's done emoting put your money where your mouth is and make a couple of food buying trips to the area.I am. Always more to visit than just the St Jacobs "market."

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                            justsayn Sep 3, 2013 06:36 AM

                            The uncertainty as to whether it would re-open this week was based on the possibility of any ongoing investigation or safety issues not because a parking lot could burn down.

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                          principessa del pisello Sep 3, 2013 07:11 AM

                          I was just there on Saturday....so sad! I wanted to get an apple fritter but the line was around the building so I didn't bother. I guess it will be a while before I can have one. I hope they can rebuild it by next summer.

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                            ylsf Sep 3, 2013 07:27 AM

                            If you are looking for a replacement in the meantime, I hear that Brown Dog Coffee shop does a similar style:

                            http://www.browndogcoffeeshoppe.com/

                            I have had them from here and enjoyed them but never had them from St. Jacobs.

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                              Kagemusha Sep 3, 2013 10:21 AM

                              Always thought Stemmler's Meat and Cheese in Heidelberg
                              bettered anything on offer in the former market building. Point is, there's more to the area than what's been lost.

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                                pourboi Sep 4, 2013 04:53 AM

                                It is fine to say the parking lot vendors will be back on Saturday ... But do you think people will make a bus trip from New York when 50% of the experience is gone? When most of the Meat / cheese / etc vendors will not be there.. if people are not making the trip from Toronto then places like Stemmlers may also see a downturn in business as shops like that are on peoples "side trip" list when they travel that distance... also the restaurants in the area who depend on those tourists...

                                Something like this fire will affect the whole area.

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                                  Kagemusha Sep 4, 2013 05:12 AM

                                  Not sure how many $ the bus tour crowd actually dropped there. More gawkers than buyers. Besides, they're likely not lugging meat, cheese and produce back across the border. Unsure if you know the area but the St Jacobs circus wasn't the only game in town. Stemmler's and others don't rely on bus tour traffic.ShamWows and tube sox will still be available in the parking lot.

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                                    kwfoodiewannabe Sep 4, 2013 06:54 AM

                                    Pretty sure Stemmler's had a booth (large counter) at the Market...

                                    I'm sure they will see a downturn in biz. Not everyone (especially out -of towners) will make their way to Heidelberg.

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                                      Herne Sep 4, 2013 09:20 AM

                                      I have been to St Jacob's market about twice in my life. I was going to go before the end of the month to get some autumn veggies. Never been to Stemmler's. What is their claim to fame? Worth a drive in the country to visit?

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                                        kwfoodiewannabe Sep 4, 2013 09:49 AM

                                        Stemmler's is a nice meat market. I don't buy a lot of meat, so I don't go out of my way to visit. Depending on where you live, you may have something comparable close by. As to whether it's worth the drive, depends on how far and how much you like driving I suppose...

                                        For me, a broasted chicken run to Anna Mae's in Linwood is a good reason for a drive. I never hear about places in the GTA for this fantastic (IMO) product. On the way, you go right past Stemmler's in Heidelberg. You'll also pass any number of Mennonite farms, often with stuff for sale. That can range, depending on the season, so I can't say what veggies you might find...

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                                          Davwud Sep 4, 2013 10:37 AM

                                          Haven't been in a while but we ate at both Anna Mae's and Olde Heidelberg House and prefer that latter.
                                          Either is a fine choice. At least was

                                          DT

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                                            prima Sep 4, 2013 11:01 AM

                                            I'd recommend sticking with the Schweineshaxe (smoked pork hock) at the Olde Heidelberg Haus. http://oldhh.com/rest.html I would not recommend their schnitzel or trout. Haven't tried anything else on the menu. I'd think that there has to be a better place for schnitzel in KW and its surrounding area, probably at one of the German clubs or Two Goblets in Kitchener. ( recent article on the schnitzel at Two Goblets http://www.therecord.com/whatson-stor... )

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                                              Davwud Sep 4, 2013 11:17 AM

                                              Usually what happened was Mrs. Sippi would get the hock and I'd get the Pig Tails.

                                              I loved the house lager too.

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                                                kwfoodiewannabe Sep 4, 2013 02:08 PM

                                                For the record, Anna Mae's for Broasted Chicken only. I am a huge fan and it seems to be tough to find. Heidelberg Haus is fine for German fare (though admittedly, it's been a while)

                                                Re: better places for schnitzel, I like Two Goblets, The Metro, and The Schenke (Concordia Club)

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                                              Herne Sep 4, 2013 12:47 PM

                                              Well I think a trip to Stemmlers next week is on the to do list. Love to drive in the country and I want to try the Tuxford Stilton.

                                2. Full tummy Sep 3, 2013 08:15 AM

                                  It may not be what it used to be 20+ years ago, but damage is damage, and someone's got to pay. I still look forward to visiting the market occasionally, though always regret it once I get there, due to the overwhelming crowds. I can usually find a few local grown things like pumpkins and maple syrup and always stop by the apple fritter and cinnamon bun stations.

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                                    magic Dec 20, 2013 09:27 AM

                                    Toronto Star article today about the market - good news.

                                    Apparently it is still operating Thursdays and Saturdays in a termporary new barn.

                                    http://www.thestar.com/life/2013/12/2...

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